Romans 11 - Is the Church the True Israel? - Steve Gregg
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- thenarrowpath.com | In "Romans 11," Steve Gregg provides a theological interpretation of Paul's discussion of Israel in his letter to the Romans. Gregg argues that Paul is clarifying the definition of Israel and that both Jews and Gentiles are saved through their faith in Christ. Paul uses the imagery of the olive tree to illustrate that the Church is the true Israel, and that salvation is conditional for both Jews and Gentiles. Gregg emphasizes the importance of grace and humility towards the Jewish people, and ultimately gives glory to God for His unsearchable wisdom and grace.
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I appreciate your clarity on this very important matter. The current popular viewpoint on the endtimes and Israel's role is so convoluted.
I'm certain the Word is clear who Israel is.
God bless
A wonderful presentation. The Church, which includes Jews and Gentiles, is the true Israel. ✔️
Thank you, Steve.
That can be misread as well, because church is a term that can be equivocated easily. Salvation is in Christ. Ethnicity is secondary relevance. Meaning it got some importance in your personal life, but it doesn't have generic relevance in terms of salvation. The issues are frequently conflated, since people don't distinguish between carnal and spiritual... And I admit that can be tricky at times.
The True church, not those who profess Christ and yet are not in Christ, will be saved.
WRONG! Israel and the body of Christ are two separate entities with totally different gospels and instructions on how to please God,
Salvation Is Absolutely Free!
God is giving away salvation to everyone for free. So there's no need to live with emotional scars of guilt and a bad conscience or fear and insecurity. God loves us and has forgiven us all of our sins through Jesus Christ.
All we need to do is BELIEVE that Christ died for our own personal sins, making full payment for them. No human effort is required on our part. God gives salvation as a FREE GIFT to all that will simply believe that Christ paid their sin debt on the cross. It is as simple as that. People get confused when they think they need to do good deeds, stop doing this or that, or start doing this or that in order to be saved. God's word says the FREE GIFT of salvation is NOT OF WORKS, so there's nothing we can do to earn salvation:
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the
Greek.
Trying to keep the Law and religious Jewish commandments of men will not save you, but faith in the Lord Christ Jesus will-
Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
You must believe the gospel-
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: [the Law given to Moses requires punishment of death and is known in the Bible as the ministration of death]
2 Corinthians 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2 Corinthians 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. [the Law condemns but grace gives life and peace.]
You must believe the gospel-
Ephesians 1:12-13 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the
gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, [Yes, you can know that you are saved]
We are not saved by works or human effort. Being good or attending a church wont save you-
Titus 3:4-6 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his
mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. [Faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ is what saves us, by believing Christ paid our sin debt on the cross.]
Romans 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, [God declares us as righteous
because we have trusted in the death of His Son as payment for our sin debt]
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: [ trying to keep the Ten Commandments can not save us]
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me? [Christ was the only one Who ever kept the Law perfectly. We are incapable of keeping the Law without failing, which is why we need a Saviour]
Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. [failing in just one point of the Law is unacceptable, so God sent Christ to save us who can't keep the Law]
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: [Religion teaches people to be self-righteous. God rejects the righteousness of men and women and accepts FAITH in the shed blood of Jesus Christ!]
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. [read this 3 times]
We can do NOTHING to earn salvation, we can only accept God's offer of the FREE GIFT of salvation. It is the only way to be saved today in the dispensation of the grace of God.
Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Dispensationalists claim that after the rapture, during the time period when “all Israel” will be saved, more gentiles will also be saved. They call them the “tribulation saints”. But how can that be? How can more gentiles come in after the fullness of the gentiles have already come in?
Nothing in their scheme makes any sense lol
Exactly.
Heres a better question, how do immortal new bodied people with resurected jesus get surrounded by mortal unregenerated people and have to be saved by god before the unborn again kill the eternal?
@@xanderbarr1983you need to phrase that better. 🙏✝️👑✝️🙏
@@sammcrae8892
The Church rules with Christ in the millenium in glorified bodies, but they share participation in the Kingdom with unglorified, mortal people. After Satan is loosed from the abyss he gathers some of the mortals to wage war against God’s Kingdom. Somehow they are a threat to resurrected, eternal people inside God’s Kingdom, and God needs to come to their rescue at the last battle of Armageddon.
This doesn’t make any sense, but dispensationlists love this fan fiction
Another flawless exposition by Steve. Delivered with genuine true to the text clarity. Steves objectivity in approaching hermeneutics is a gift in itself.
"Flawless?" I love Steve, but let's not get carried away, there, my fella.
@@ZeroESG.goopootoob You are probably right. None of us have perfect knowledge.
@@maskofsorrow Exactly my point. Love our scholars (and our generalists,) but don't worship them.
@@ZeroESG.goopootoob I certainly don't worship men.
"ALL ISRAEL" is the jew-gentile body of Christ. Eph. 2. " BOTH are ONE BODY", this is "the Israel of God" Galatians. 6:16 And 1 Peter 2:9 "you are... a holy nation". See Jesus' words about the kingdom taken from them and givent to another nation..="ALL Israel".
Amen and spot on.
Galatians 3:29 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. 29 And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children of Abraham.
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Transcript opentheo.org/i/3692951694443819948/romans-11
Romans 11 | NKJV
Israel’s Rejection Not Total
11 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. [a]But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:
“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”
9 And David says:
“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”
Israel’s Rejection Not Final
11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their [b]fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their [c]fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and [d]fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, [e]goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [f]opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be [g]saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has [h]committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
34 “For who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has become His counselor?”
35 “Or who has first given to Him
And it shall be repaid to him?”
36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
Footnotes
Romans 11:6 NU omits the rest of v. 6.
Romans 11:11 trespass
Romans 11:12 trespass
Romans 11:17 richness
Romans 11:22 NU adds of God
Romans 11:25 estimation
Romans 11:26 Or delivered
Romans 11:32 shut them all up in
Galations 3: 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Israel are those found in Christ, those who repented and turned from their sin those a Revelation 14:12 state “keep the commandments of God and have the faith OF Jesus”.
Jesus said of the nation of Jews “your house has been left unto you, desolate”. The time of the Jews is over God’s people are those who accept and obey Christ.
Yes, Replacement Theology wrote the Jews off for 19 centuries, but God has confounded them for not believing the Scriptures. Israel became a nation, May 14,1948, again as predicted, and there are now 3 times as many Jews living in their ancient homeland than at the time of Jesus.
Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Isa 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
@@ricoyochanan Actually I think the fact that they hate Jesus Christ is what wrote them off. It's pretty clear that after the stoning of Stephen they were over as the nation of God. Now they cling to the teachings of men, their Talmud. Yet hope lives as they can still as individuals accept and obey Christ and find their way to the gift of eternal life.
@@BEvans7 Just so you know, when the majority of Jews hear the name Jesus, they cringe, because it reminds them of 19 centuries of church persecution leading up to the Holocaust, and the driving of them off the European continent to the their ancient homeland. The Replacement churches meant it for evil, Gen 50:20, but God turned it around and there are now over 3 times the number Jews living in their ancient homeland as there were at the time of Jesus. Among them is a growing number of Messianic believers that will continue to grow until the return of Jesus.
Zec 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
@@ricoyochanan Like I said if they repent and turn from their sin and accept Christ they can be saved. If they continue to cling to their Talmud and other traditions of men they like anyone else who denies Christ will be thrown in the lake of fire.
As Christians we are to love all man-kind and speak the truth, otherwise their blood will be on our hands if just simply go along to get along. The AntiChrist Papacy desires an ecumenical world order they want all religions to be acceptable but as a Christian there is only one God and He made the heavens the earth and the seas of water and we are called to Keep HIS laws and not the laws and traditions of Jews or the Papacy.
@@BEvans7 I agree with you but they had not finished as a nation until 136 AD.
From then on the doctrine of the 'chosen nation' is man made.
Because Christ went on conquering and to conquer on the white horse.
It is and was Christ Himself who proclaimed the judgments and opened the seals.
Matthew 23 & Revelation 1
When did Jesus begin opening the seals?
Who is worthy to open the seals?
When was Christ Jesus worthy?
Answer. Upon His resurrection.
Matthew 28: 18-20 "All authority has been given me in heaven and over the earth, there for go and teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Teaching them to observe all things that I have told you and lo I am with you always even till the end of the age/world. Amen."
Ephesians 1:21-23
Colossians 2:10 -15
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Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
I know a Historic Premill person who also believes there is going to be an end time mass conversion of Jews, so not just the dispensationalist view. It all seems nutty to me how they come up with that idea.
Nutty nonsense is right and it contradicts the method of discipleship Jesus established for the New Covenant, which was sending his disciples out by twos to share the gospel to individuals.
Romans Chapter 11: In its New Covenant context... There is no Plan B of salvation outside of the New Covenant Church in this passage. Plan A is found in verses 23 and 24.
In Romans 1:16 Paul said the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews. This time period can be found in Matt. 10:5-7, and Acts 10:36-38, and Gal. 1:14-18. Many try to claim God never gave the Jews a chance to accept Christ, so there must be some Plan B of salvation before or during the Second Coming of Christ. Romans 1:16 proves they are wrong, since Paul said the Gospel went "first" to the Jews. Many ignore the fact that Peter addressed the crowd as "men of Judea", and as "men of Israel", and as "all the house of Israel" on the Day of Pentecost, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. The Gentiles were not grafted in until several years later. This passage proves Paul was right about the Gospel being taken "first" to the Jews.
Were all of the Israelites "partially" hardened in Romans 11, or were part hardened and another part were not hardened? The answer is found in the "remnant" of Romans 11:5.
Paul reveals two different groups of Israelites in Romans 9:6-8. There is an Israel of the promise, and an Israel of the flesh. This is part of the context of Romans 11.
Paul speaks about the "remnant" of Israel in Romans 9:27. This is also part of the context of Romans 11.
Paul starts Romans 11 with two different groups of Israelites. In verse one Paul reveals he is still an Israelite, even after his conversion. Then Paul refers to two different groups of Israelites during the time of Elijah. There were the Baal worshippers, and there was the faithful "remnant". In verse five Paul says there is also a faithful "remnant" of Israelites during his time. This must be the Israelites who have accepted Christ, as on the Day of Pentecost.
Paul uses the two olive trees as a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of believing Israelites, and believing Gentiles grafted together into the same tree. The unbelieving Israelites have been broken off but can be grafted back in through faith in Christ in verses 23-24.
Verse 26 is the problem for many modern Christians. What does the verse actually say, and how is it changed by many in the modern Church.
I have heard two of our nations famous preachers say the following.
"And then all Israel will be saved..."
I have heard another say the following.
"And all Israel will be saved..."
What does God's Word, recorded by the Apostle Paul actually say?
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
The English word "so" is translated from the Greek word "houto", which is an adverb of manner, instead of an adverb of timing. Some have changed the word from "so" to "then", in order to change the meaning of the verse.
How will all of the "remnant" of Israel from Romans 9:27 be saved? The answer is found in the verses that precede verse 26 and are found below.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Paul quoted from the OT in referring to the Deliverer coming out of Sion to pay for sin. Did this happen at Calvary, or will Jesus die again for His people in the future?
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Verse 28 can only be understood by looking at how Paul started the passage. He started with two different groups of Israelites and he ends the passage in the same way. There are two different groups of "they" in verse 28. One group of "they" reject Christ and are the enemies of God, and another group of "they" are the election which accept Christ through hearing the Gospel and faith.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Based on Luke 21:24b-28, the times of the Gentiles comes to fullness at the Second Coming of Christ. This agrees with what Paul said in Romans 1:16 about the Gospel going “first” to the Jews.
SpotterVideo Great summery.
I once believed that the Matthew 24 & Mark 13 & Luke 21 were half for the times of the Jewish nation and then some for the rest of the world for the end.
Upon a deeper dive of this topic and passages I have concluded that all of them were for the first century up to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
Except for the interjections from Jesus recorded in the 3 passages in those 3 chapters just mentioned.
Those being; "Heaven and earth will pass away but my words will not pass away but of that day and hour knows no-one."
This is where Jesus is talking about the end of this Messianic age and the resurrection and judgement of all.
Matthew 5:18 also concurs with this.
Then Jesus proceeds to His narrative about the judgment upon Jerusalem at the end of that age and that generation.
I believe that Jesus said this because all the disciples thought that He would rule physically from the temple still standing and rule and reign from earthly Jerusalem. Acts 1:6-7.
Not understanding that God had quite different plans and Jesus Christ ruling and reigning heaven and earth from the right hand of the Father from the kingdom of God/heaven that is in heaven.
1 Corinthians 15:22-28
Psalm 110:1
Matthew 22:44
Hebrews 1:13
They were thinking more physically instead of spiritually. Many, many believers today do the same things, they look and understand with too much physical aspect instead of spiritual. Not understanding that the kingdom of God already exists outside of this physical heaven and earth.
Getting back to the olivet discourse.
Matthew 24 & 25 is written as one continuing narrative and is a condensed version of some of Jesus' sayings. Mark is the same but Luke is recorded as a narrative of the 3 1/2 years in chronological order.
The Matthew 24 & 25 narrative is recorded in the following;
Luke 12:35-46
Luke 17:20-37
Luke 21:5-36
With this in mind, read those passages along with all the 'coming of the son of man' for that age and nation.
Matthew 16:27-28
Matthew 10:23
The 'son of man' coming is not the final 'Parousia'. The son of man coming is judgment upon that nation and taking the kingdom from them and giving it to another nation. Matthew 21:43 because the Jews once did have the keys to the kingdom. Christ now rules over the earth now as King.
Revelation 19
Revelation 11:15-19. The English translation has verse 17 as 'has reigned' when the Greek says 'you reign'.
Jesus has been separating the sheep from the goats for 2000 years now.
Not all 'coming' of Jesus are the 2nd/final coming There are many times a 'cloud' is referenced in the OT and the Lord going forth in that cloud, eg; crossing the red sea and going before them etc.
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Daniel 7:13-14. This is when Christ resurrected to the right hand of the Father but still came in the clouds to heaven.
The coming of judgment upon Jerusalem and righteously judging them and taking the physical kingdom from the Jews happened from 66-70 AD the 3/12 years of judgment by the word of God by the law and the prophets, [which represents the 2 witnesses]. Understanding that the Revelation was written before the destruction, it bares witness to all the prophecies about the judgment and execution of that judgment. Who is worthy to open the seals?
James 5:6-7 "Be patient therefore brethren unto the coming [parousia] of the Lord. Behold the farmer/husbandman waits for the precious fruit of the earth and has long patience for it until He receive the early and the latter rain. Be also patient stablish your hearts for the coming of the has neared."
This verse backs up my theory/understanding.
The early rain is the first harvest Revelation 14. The latter rain is the 2nd harvest = the whole body of believers at the resurrection on the last day John 6:39-44
That age and then this age, which we are now in, the Messianic age, then the final judgment of the world. NH & NE
Parousia G 3952 is mentioned 24 times in 4 unique forms. Christ's first parousia was His birth.
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Jesus Foretells Destruction of Jerusalem (subtitles from eSword)
Luk 21:20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.
(Mat 24:15 "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),
(Look at the reference to Hanukkah in John 10:22, if you want to know what the Jews of Jesus time understood about Antiochus Ephiphanes attacking the city during 167 BC, when his forces killed thousands of Jews, and stopped the sacrifices. Those two things also happened during 70AD. During 66 AD a Roman army under the command of Cestus Gallus surrounded the city and then left for some unknown reason. The early Christians left the city before the final siege of 70 AD.)
Luk 21:21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.
(Mat 24:16 "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.)
Luk 21:22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. (See also Luke 23:28-31.)
(Mat 24:19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! )
Luk 21:24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
(Almost all Bible scholars agree that the first part of the verse above is about 70 AD. At the end of the verse we find a period of time known as “the times of the Gentiles”. In Romans 1:16 Paul said the Gospel was taken “first” to the Jews, and then to the Greeks (Gentiles). We are now in that time period when the Gospel is being taken to the whole world. Paul also referred to this time period in Romans 11:25, and Acts 28:28. In the verses that follow we find the future Second Coming of Christ. )
The Coming of the Son of Man
Luk 21:25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;
(Mat 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.)
Luk 21:26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Luk 21:27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
(Mat 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.)
Luk 21:28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."
(Mat 24:33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near-at the doors!)
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The following is from Josephus 'Wars book VI
Thus were the miserable people persuaded by these deceivers, and such as belied God himself; while they did not attend nor give credit to the signs that were so evident, and did so plainly foretell their future desolation, but, like men infatuated, without either eyes to see or minds to consider, did not regard the denunciations that God made to them. Thus there was a star 1 resembling a sword, which stood over the city, and a comet, that continued a whole year. Thus also before the Jews' rebellion, and before those commotions which preceded the war, when the people were come in great crowds to the feast of unleavened bread, on the eighth day of the month Xanthicus, 2 [Nisan,] and at the ninth hour of the night, so great a light shone round the altar and the holy house, that it appeared to be bright day time; which lasted for half an hour. This light seemed to be a good sign to the unskillful, but was so interpreted by the sacred scribes, as to portend those events that followed immediately upon it. At the same festival also, a heifer, as she was led by the high priest to be sacrificed, brought forth a lamb in the midst of the temple. Moreover, the eastern gate of the inner 3 [court of the] temple, which was of brass, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor, which was there made of one entire stone, was seen to be opened of its own accord about the sixth hour of the night. Now those that kept watch in the temple came hereupon running to the captain of the temple, and told him of it; who then came up thither, and not without great difficulty was able to shut the gate again. This also appeared to the vulgar to be a very happy prodigy, as if God did thereby open them the gate of happiness. But the men of learning understood it, that the security of their holy house was dissolved of its own accord, and that the gate was opened for the advantage of their enemies. So these publicly declared that the signal foreshowed the desolation that was coming upon them. Besides these, a few days after that feast, on the one and twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared: I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the temple,] as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, "Let us remove hence." But, what is still more terrible, there was one Jesus, the son of Ananus, a plebeian and a husbandman, who, four years before the war began, and at a time when the city was in very great peace and prosperity, came to that feast whereon it is our custom for every one to make tabernacles to God in the temple, began on a sudden to cry aloud, "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against this whole people!" This was his cry, as he went about by day and by night, in all the lanes of the city. However, certain of the most eminent among the populace had great indignation at this dire cry of his, and took up the man, and gave him a great number of severe stripes; yet did not he either say any thing for himself, or any thing peculiar to those that chastised him, but still went on with the same words which he cried before. Hereupon our rulers, supposing, as the case proved to be, that this was a sort of divine fury in the man, brought him to the Roman procurator, where he was whipped till his bones were laid bare; yet he did not make any supplication for himself, nor shed any tears, but turning his voice to the most lamentable tone possible, at every stroke of the whip his answer was, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" And when Albinus (for he was then our procurator) asked him, Who he was? and whence he came? and why he uttered such words? he made no manner of reply to what he said, but still did not leave off his melancholy ditty, till Albinus took him to be a madman, and dismissed him. Now, during all the time that passed before the war began, this man did not go near any of the citizens, nor was seen by them while he said so; but he every day uttered these lamentable words, as if it were his premeditated vow, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" Nor did he give ill words to any of those that beat him every day, nor good words to those that gave him food; but this was his reply to all men, and indeed no other than a melancholy presage of what was to come. This cry of his was the loudest at the festivals; and he continued this ditty for seven years and five months, without growing hoarse, or being tired therewith, until the very time that he saw his presage in earnest fulfilled in our siege, when it ceased; for as he was going round upon the wall, he cried out with his utmost force, "Woe, woe to the city again, and to the people, and to the holy house!" And just as he added at the last, "Woe, woe to myself also!" there came a stone out of one of the engines, and smote him, and killed him immediately; and as he was uttering the very same presages he gave up the ghost. END
Josephus gives a detailed description of the signs in the sun , moon and stars and then the appearance of 'Armies in heaven'.
Cassius dio and Suetonius both Roman historians write about the same account of this miraculous sight in the clouds above the nation.
"And they shall see the 'son of man' coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
Matthew 24:27-34 "For wherever the carcass is there the eagles will be gathered." Verse 34 "Truly I say unto you, this generation will not pass till all these things be fulfilled."
Luke 17:20-37. Contains the same narrative and verse 37b is "wheresoever the body is there the eagles will be gathered."
At the 2nd coming of Christ to raise the dead this earth is going to burned up, 2 Peter 3 and there will be no eagles alive to gather in one place.
Matthew 10:23 "For when thy persecute in this city, flee you to another for truly I say unto you. You shall not have gone over all the cities of Israel untill the son of man be come."
Matthew 16:27-28 "For the son of man will come in the glory of His Father with His angles and then He shall reward everyone according to His works. Truly I say unto you. There be some standing here that will not taste of death till they see the son of man coming in His kingdom."
The same type of hyperbole judgment language [ sun& moon & stars ] is used in the OT in Isaiah 13. That judgment is towards the King of Babylon and it happened in history.
Revelation 14:13 "And I heard a voice from heaven say unto me, write blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from now on. Yes says the Spirit that they may rest from their labours and their works do follow with them." Greek interlinear.
All these things happened at the end of that age/eon at 70AD. The end of that Jewish nation not the end of the world/kosmos that is still future. It is the English translations that have world for age/eon & world for inhabited earth.
These 3 words are separate meanings;
World/kosmos is G 2889
Age/eon G 165
Inhabited earth G 3625
God bless you and all the readers. My intention is not to argue but to bring out clearer understanding with the many inconsistencies.
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Hyper-Preterism Unmasked:
Is Matthew 10:23 about 70 AD, or is it about Jesus coming as the King to Israel? The answer is found below in Zech. 9:9. Did Jesus "cometh" as the King of Israel riding on a donkey during the week He was crucified? If Matthew 10:23 is about 70 AD, Peter ignored the commandment given by Jesus in Matthew 10:5-7, when Peter went to the house of Cornelius. It did not take the disciples forty years to take the Gospel to Israel. In Romans 1:16 Paul said the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews. This time period of the Gospel going "first" to Israel is found in Matt. 10:5-23, and Acts chapter 2, and Acts 10:36-38, and Galatians 1:14-18.
Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
The Old Covenant age died at Calvary when God ripped the temple veil in half from the top to the bottom at the moment His Son died at Calvary. There is no record in the NT of any person coming to salvation outside of the New Covenant between Calvary and 70 AD. Hebrews 7:12 proves there was a change in the law before 70 AD. We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant Church of Mount Zion and the blood of Jesus in Hebrews 12:22-24. This passage was written in the present tense before 70 AD.
If the Hyper-Preterists (Full-Preterists) were correct the Old Covenant age would come back into existence if a temple were rebuilt, and animal sacrifices are renewed.
Any basic book on Astronomy proves we are not now living in the "eternal" New Heavens and New Earth, because the sun only has a limited amount of nuclear fuel. We now understand the nuclear reaction inside the core of the sun, because of the testing of thermonuclear weapons.
@@SpotterVideo Arr. I'm not hyper preterist. Throughout all my writings I have declared about the future NH NE and the future resurrection and judgment of the living and the dead.
Read Matthew 10 the whole chapter. None of then had experienced persecution until after Steven's death 3 1/2 years later.
AMEN BROTHER , I lived in Santa Cruz 80s 90s + ... Your a great teacher .
You know who really gets the short end of the stick with Dispensationalism?
Jesus.
Yep
Thank you again Steve. So important.
Absolutely!
A real true Christian will never fall away Jesus said know one can pluck them out of my hand and once you are born again you can not become unborn Jesus said just like you were born of water you must also be born of the Spirit the Spirit is a down payment for our Salvation just like you can't climb back into your mother's womb you cannot go back and be born of the Spirit again believe me the Bible clearly teaches God who started a good work in you will finish it if a person fails away they were never saved from the beginning just like Judas he was never truly a believer.✝️🙏🤗
Yes, I think a true christian isn't ever going to say I don't believe Jesus is God anymore, and I don't trust him. Eph. 1:13 says, we are sealed, and the Holy Spirit is the earnest of our inheritance, or until the redemption of the purchased possession. I think someone was not truly saved in the first place if they walk away from the Lord by not believing anymore.
Jesus is the root Jesus is Israel. His life followed the exact pattern of Israel. Joseph had a dream he went into Egypt. He went from Egypt to his Baptism then into the wilderness to be tempted. Jesus is the true representative of God or Israel. When we come into relationship with Jesus we become grafted into Israel. It’s all about Jesus he is the only way.
Amen
Haven't watched yet, but I think Israel are those with the Holy Spirit, which are obedience followers of our Messiah who have repented and been baptized. We worship our Heavenly Father. So yes, all Israel will be saved.
Baptism isn't required, but yes.
@@VeritasEtAequitas It is required if it is possible. For the guy on the cross, it wasn't. The Great Commission is to go to all nations making disciples and baptism them.
So many conflate all these terms and subjects directly with 'salvation,' when they might be getting at one thing or another, namely, identity.
It is also very common to construe Paul's descriptions of aspect/view of a given individual's eternal status from our perspective as being synonymous with God's vantage point.
incredible teaching. wow
Glad it was helpful!
I loved the video and that you made very clear your understanding of the verses and why you take that view. One thing that seems to come across in the video implicitly is the debunking of universalism in the fact that not all Jews at any point necessarily will be saved nor will all gentiles. Would that be correct? Also another thing that comes across as conditional Salvation which fits very well with the idea of conditional immortality.
The true Israel were the original church. The Gentiles became grafted in.
And the unbelieving Israelites were cut off.
Excellent...
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@JesusMyRighteousness92 Zec 13: 8And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.
Looks like you replied to a comment that I didn't make, friend. Regardless, those old testament verses no longer apply due to the new covenant.
@@AMightyFortressIsOurGod24 Oh, so you are a Dispensationalist....
@@ricoyochanan No way am I a dispensationalist. That's heresy. I'm postmillennial in my eschatology - an exchatology of victory that is Biblical.
Daniel 9v24-27 Daniel 8v14 Daniel 7v9-13 Isaiah 9v1-6 Isaiah 53v2-12 🌹
Thank you.
You're welcome!
My biblical reasonings lead me to understand that Paul believed in the eventual salvation/reconciliation of “ALL” mankind. Therefore, my reasonings also lead me to believe that Paul, throughout the book of Romans had the eventual salvation/reconciliation of “ALL” mankind in mind, which also includes natural Israel. This will not occur until Christ, along with his chosen subjects, make up the spiritual Israel of God. Spiritual Israel will succeed where natural Israel failed, and that's being, through Christ, a true light to "ALL", bringing the mercy and salvation of God to “ALL”. God has shut up “ALL” in disobedience so that he may show mercy to “ALL”. For from him and through him and to him are “ALL” things. Christ and his subjects [I.e.] Spiritual Israel, will reign “until” God becomes “ALL” in “ALL” 1 Cor 15:28.
Peace.
What Bible translation is Steve reading from here?
He usually teaches out of the New King James, sometimes the English Standard Version. He always uses a word-for-word translation - Jason
This is very inconsistent exegesis too much to note here but this teacher debated James White on this subject as relation to election. I would suggest all view that and then comment.
The elect are the saints who were ordained to eternal life. The saints do consist of being the believing Jews and believing Gentiles.
Paul speaking to the Thessalonians
1 Thessalonians 1:4 (KJV) Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.
Peter speaking of the elect who are the saints.
1 Peter 1:1-2 (KJV)
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Thank you for all of your hard work on this. I’m still really struggling with your definition of Israel in verse 25 and 26. In verse 25, you are saying it is the nation of Israel that has been hardened, and in 26 you say it’s the fully elect Israel. Isn’t that an inconsistent way to look at this definition? It seems like you are going back and forth changing what Paul means by Israel in verse 25 and 26. Not to mention in verse 26 it also states that ‘He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob’ which clearly refers to the Israel in verse 25 about the partial blindness and how then He would then take away their sins…
To say he is just talking about for the
sake of the remnant of both gentiles and Jews doesn’t follow with the Jacob reference…
It feels like you would be jumping back and forth in your definition of Israel..
All of Romans 11 is relevant in it's context.
What about from verse 19 on wards?
Christ Jesus is the tree of life & the the true vine.
The remainder works around this.
John 15
There is a reason the tree of life was guarded in the book of Genesis.
"Lest they live forever." Genesis 3:22
The tree of life is Christ Jesus & not an unbelieving ethnicity or individual nation but the believers by faith.
Whatever origin & background.
Christ Jesus is the true vine and Christ Jesus is the true tree.
Who so ever believes & repents shall have eternal life.
Steve let me help you with Romans 11:6 "else work is no more work", "work" is "purpose", as Romans 2:15, that means faith.
"Works" of the law are sin, as Romans 3:20, so Romans 11:6 is grace (faith) v sin (works). Paul keeps telling us no man is justified by sin, remember the Pharisees previously thought they were after atonement.
My #1 Ytube video in the series 'Myths in so-called Christianity', for NT truth.
I am glad you realise the NT tells us that many under grace before Jesus, he did not come to get them to repent, but the lost sheep who sinned to repent.
Are you a believer by simple child like faith or not?
If not.. there is no need to teach/share random interpretations of the Word. And If you are a believer in Jesus's finished work at the cross, why recategorize faith as a work vs grace concern ?? Sounds quite strange to me.
There is only 1 Work that has power to save, and that is His overpowering of sin and death at the Cross where He hung and bled for us all. And that's it.
@@trulyso734 Maybe you faith is childish to believe there was atonement at the Cross, a matter never agreed in so-called Christianity, the blood of Jesus never went to the Mercy Seat in the Temple. His death on the Cross changed the covenant and now by faith in his blood our past sins can be atoned for by the mercy of Jesus when he judges us.
I have a series of Ytube videos 'Myths in so-called Christianity', and to be saved we must receive the Holy Spirit in baptism, for our guide in sanctification and witness of our faith by our works.
Steve the church has remained the same with Gentile converts added. What do you call them? In my Ytube video #5 'Myths in so-called Christianity' Paul calls them "Jews".
The fulness of the Gentiles was started at the Cross and the introduction of the new covenant, AD70 as the new covenant of all believers from Abraham is established for all judgement, as witnessed in John's gospel.
I believe that in Romans 2-3 Paul is speaking to the House of Judah. In Romans 9-11 Paul is speaking of the ongoing divorced House of Israel. Today's so called Israel is very little of either of those.
The elect means one who are chosen from the foundations of the world to this eternal life.
Acts 15:17-18 (KJV)
17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
2 Timothy 1:9 (KJV) Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
This was given to the called/chosen before the world even began sir...
@45:00 Steve doesn't know what the root of the tree is that makes it holy? Is not the tree those who are gathered IN Christ? The remnant had put their hope in the coming Messiah, once Jesus arrived those who did not believe on Him were cut off. In that day, prior to the judgment falling upon Jerusalem, even Christians could fall away if they turned away from faith in Christ.
Steve's own futuristic understanding is still being influenced by his former dispensational beliefs, since they are the ones who came up with the idea that the Church Age will someday end when 'history' ends. The fullness of the Gentiles does not mean people who hadn't been born yet but those being gathered in THAT day. Paul's warnings elsewhere are time dependent because of this judgment that was coming SOON. The 'last day' was never about the end of the history of the world. This is why partial preterism doesn't work either - biblically.
Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
The root is not the branches. All of the branches now are Christian, Jew and Gentile. But before Christ it was the elect Jews were believed in God and depended on his grace as seen in the sacrifices.
I'm sure that Steve Gregg understands that the tree is Christ.
I heard that part and thought, 'it was just a mind blank' because Steve's teachings in all the other places about who Christ is, he is spot on.
1 Corinthians 15:22-28
Does your Christ Jesus rule and reign now?
My body that is alive and living is not free of sin and pain and death and sorrow and the curse of sin. My body living today is destined for death.
"The wages of sin is death but the gift of life is eternal life through Jesus Christ our LORD." Romans 6:23
But it is also destined for a resurrection of it's final state connecting with my soul that will be in heaven or if I am still alive at the last day at the resurrection of the living and dead, I will be transformed/changed into an eternal state. Where there will be no more sorrow and death and pain and sin. This has not occurred yet.
Are you seriously saying that this earth is free of sin and murder and hatred and wickedness and evil and sorrow and death and moral filth?
Revelation 20:10 to 21:8 is one narrative
Are you seriously saying that this earth and existence in it's present state is full of 'BLISS' and has no more suffering and pain and crying and torment and sorrow and is just a blissful paradise on a new heaven and a new earth?
My personal testimony says that this has not occurred yet for me and yet as I live with pain and sorrow and witness it EVERY DAY.
So are you saying that there will be no final resurrection and judgment of the living and dead?
This is a totally unorthodox belief.
The first resurrection is the soul. Revelation 19 "and I saw the souls of them who were beheaded...."
Nothing in the text about bodies!
The final resurrection of the soul to the body is judged. One is either a sheep or a goat.
Revelation 20:14-15 = second death = death of soul and body if one is not in the book of life. Gehenna is not Hades, although still in the same realm.
Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body and are not able to KILL the soul but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna." 2nd death has not happened yet.
Hades = G 86 Strong's
Gehenna = G 1067 Strong's
The soul is in either the kingdom of heaven with God or in the abode of the dead; 'Hades' until the last day the day of the resurrection and then judgment for the eternal state.
Everlasting life or 2nd death.
The problem with full preterists is that they do not see the 2 comings in there proper place, the same as the full futurists.
James 5:7-8 Early and later rain
The first harvest was 70 AD
The last harvest and the resurrection of all the dead is still pending.
@@RisenShine-zy7dn 1. Covenant theology is the reformed orthodox position; therefore covenant eschatology is not a heretical position to consider.
2. The New Testament scriptures are all about how God was fulfilling the OT Law & Prophets & Psalms (Luk 24:44) and bringing in the hope of the kingdom to Israel in Christ. When Christ walked the earth He said that all authority and power had been given to Him by the Father in both heaven and earth (Mat 28:18). Acts 2 describes how the risen Christ now sits on the throne of David and His Father where He reigns forever. (see Rev 11:15) So my answer to your 1st question is YES Christ Jesus is ruling over the kingdoms of the earth now and forever and He shares that dominion with believers.
3. In this earthly life although sin and death are a present reality we still face - something amazing has changed that OC Israel did not have yet because the death and resurrection of Christ was needed. We have forgiveness of sins in the atonement which cleanses our conscience. We don't need a priestly class and an earthly temple to perform this work, we can go before the throne of God's grace and confess our sins and be renewed in our hearts and minds at any point in time anywhere (Heb 4:16). And even death itself is not the crapshoot it was before - by not knowing how we would fair in the judgment having to face the 2nd death, because we have been given eternal life. And we know this because we have been born again by the Spirit of God who now indwells all believers. (See John 11:23-27) - believers do NOT wait in Hades/Sheol today because the judgment that ended the OC age is over which included the resurrection of the dead when the new heaven and earth with its new King & kingdom was established by Jesus coming in the clouds upon Jerusalem in 70AD.
4. Getting off the hyper-literal train of Dispensationalism is not only possible it is necessary. We need to learn to read the scriptures according to how the authors and readers of them would have received them - in the times they were written. They can edify us but they were not written to us as prophecy, but that we might actually know and understand the testimony of Jesus (Rev 19:10) It is done!
@@robinq5511 Thank you for your reply. I agree with you on many points but absolutely not with the NH NE being now in this present state. You may allegorical the NH NE but we are not in eternal bliss with no sorrow and pain etc.
Satan has not been thrown into the lake of fire yet.
We still have death. Death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire at the end of this age/eon, the Messianic age.
I agree with you about the significance of 70 AD. Jesus took the kingdom from them and gave it to another producing the fruit of it. That was the first harvest of the 12 tribes Revelation 14.
The final 2nd harvest is for the whole world of all living and dead. Revelation 20:10-15 then NH NE Revelation 21:1-8
The first resurrection is the soul if born again.
James 5:7-8 "Be patient therefore brethren unto the coming of the Lord. Behold the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth and has long patience for it until He receive the early and latter rain. Be you also patient, stablish hearts for the coming/parousia has drawn near." Greek interlinear.
2 harvests
2 Parousias /comings.
One for the judgment of Jerusalem and officially for the inauguration of the rule over the earth from the kingdom of heaven.
One for the final judgement.
Jesus is still building His temple, bride, Jerusalem above. His beloved that comes down on the NH NE consummating the NH NE to Himself God almighty. This has not happened yet.
Jesus is the cornerstone that the builders rejected.
@@RisenShine-zy7dn The new heaven and new earth is not physical it is relational - God has restored the relationship with man thru the last Adam that was broken by the first. When you read how Jesus and the NT authors spoke of OT prophecies you find parables, allegories and spiritual explanations for the types and shadows set forth by the OC. A static, wooden interpretation however you will not find from any of them...
We can agree to disagree now since one day we will all agree.
Thank you for your educatieve lecture.
Remark:
The full number of jews is 7000 (a Divine totality, not perse a small number), that is the fullness of the jews. The full number of the gentiles is the fullness of the gentiles.
God gathers a fullness, a full number, from among the jews and the gentiles.
So that they together, the Church, would be a blessing to the world/nations (and if neccessary through their priestly redemptive suffering) following the Lord Jesus and His word: I send you as the Father sent Me.
I'm not sure I fully understand your assumption that if all of Israel had accepted Christ, that salvation would still be offered to the gentiles. Because of their fall, salvation has come to the gentiles. Branches have been removed so that we could be grafted in. It sounds like if they had not fallen or been cut off, then the gentiles would not have been saved or grafted in.
If God has hardened some of Israel, partial hardening, until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, then wouldn't that mean that those of Israel who were hardened would no longer be hardened once the fullness of the Gentiles comes in? Did the apostles not believe that Christ would return in their generation? Would this mean that they thought the unhardening would happen in their generation? (I may be completely wrong on the apostles belief).
Is the reason they do not believe is because God has hardened them, or have they been left in their hardened state and God is withholding the truth from them (the Spirit)? Then why try to make them jealous, will jealousy cause God to change His mind? What does "their acceptance mean but life from the dead" mean? Is this spiritual of physical death. Doesn't acceptance mean spiritual life from spiritual deadness for all that believe, or does this mean the resurrection?
Its very simple. It is by an individual Faith response that His salvation is granted all (ie to whomsoever who will believe and call on Him reckoning the gap between who we are and who He is).
As per whats presented. Im glad this man is teaching the truth. This was what I had once understood clearly as the Lord gives the understanding. Yep, sometimes it is just better to spend time privately to chew on the scriptures without getting pulled on the left and the right by the many different popularized interpretations.
It isnt in God's nature to play games - so I believe over time, some have misunderstood apostle Paul's point here in the only point he was trying to make. I.e. nothing for us to boast in comparison, but rather need to watch ourselves from falling away excuses even more so now.. given the wonderful grace of God we have received too since. (So the church of Christ is from gentile origins but has come into a 'saved israel' of Jehovah God's grafted in branch to the roots of 1 family tree in a nutshell).
Romans is a closed book to you ..much doctrine but no reality of the divine life-The Bible is the "Living Word-not dead letters...
Why do say it is a closed book to Steve? ~ Jason
@19:18they were "permitted" to recognize Christ because they were part of the remnant. Others got their hearts hardened, because they "had done enough to deserve it" 😵💫
Let me shed a little light on grace and work. We are saved by grace meaning, the idea, the desire and the will and power to come to Christ is all the gift of God and cannot originate in us. It all comes from God and not anything that we can do or are. The best example to this is Noah. Who was the only person there Bible claims that found grace in the eyes of the Lord?
It was Noah!!!!
And all the rest of the world who were not given this grace had to resist the preaching of Noah and they had to perish, for by grace are ye saved through faith, not of anything we do lest we should boast, but it is the gift of God. 🙌🏻
Something to keep in mind: Israel is mentioned over seventy times in the New Testament, and EVERY time it refers to the nation, the Jews, or people of israel; NEVER the church.
Well firstly that’s your translation - for example the word translated as church in the NT is mentioned dozens of times throughout the Old Testament- so not cuts both ways. One bride. One body.
Israel is the only true Church of the Old testament and of the New Testament people of faith,go look at Revelation Rev 21 v12 ,14.The New Jerusalem include The 12 tribes of OT and the Apostles of the NT.GOD MADE IT ONE CHURCH,ONLY BORN AGAIN PEOPLE BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD NO ONE WILL EVER ENTRE THE CITY WITHOUT BEING BORN AGAIN.
Acts 7:38, KJV:
This is he [Moses], that was in the church [ekklesia] in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
Ekklesia is used in both the Septuagint and the NT in reference to Israel. There is an Israel according to flesh, but there is also a spiritual Israel. This was true in the OT also. Foreigners became naturalized citizens of Israel. Rahab and Ruth are the most obvious. Israel, the nation, was multi-ethnic, even if it was historically composed of mostly ethnic descendants of Jacob.
You: “Israel is never mentioned as the church”
Bible: Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
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@@kickpublishing The word is eklaiseia. Yes, And the LXX uses the term. Just because the two terms are the same, it does not follow they are identical. I could say I bought a home. Another friend could say, I bought a home too. And even a third could say I own a home too. The word home means a place you live in. But I have a ranch home, the other friend has a Tudor home, and the third's home is a double wide trailer. Same word home is used for all three, but they are significantly different homes. The same with eklaiseia. it means an assembly of people. So the eklaiseia God called out starts with Abraham, and is a people that will be a NATION with defined real estate borders in a particular part of the world and a physical lineage through Isaac and Jacob and the twelve sons and their lineage.
The New Testament eklaiseia is quite different. There's no physical lineage, but is composed of Jews and every tribe, nation and tongue. It is far in the future from Israel's eklaiseia. Jesus put it in the future from himself. Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I WILL(future) build my church(eklaiseia); and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
@rdaleyj1
1 Pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,
They are not elect with no basis. God sees the future, and elects on that basis. He knows who will believe, He knows the end from the beginning.
Isa 46:10
v25 - 54:25
Pre- destination!
Paul was talking about unconditional election and "calvinism" but Steve is correct the church is the true Israel.
No!
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What bible translation is this? Even he comments that it's not very good. So why use it? It's garbage
The name "Israel" is used at least a half dozen different ways in the Bible. Interpreters need to be able to hold more than one thing in their heads. It is both possible for there to be "one people of God" and for God to have a plan for national Israel (All Israel will be saved). Traditional interpretation, the legacy of persecution and murder of Jews, and modern neo-Nazi agitation against Israel in sympathy with the "Palestinians", are the motivators for the inability to hold these two things in their heads at once. For all who deny Israel as a nation has an end time destiny in God's Plan (All Israel will be saved), please read Romans 11 out loud while substituting "the Church" for all the nouns and pronouns that refer to national Israel as Paul does at the start of Romans 11. Do you have the nerve to do this simple scientific test of your traditional beliefs? Are you afraid? If not, then take the test and post here what you learned.
So much of this isn't even real. This is some Darby-Scofield nonsense mixed with globalist liberal antiwhite propaganda by those who stand to gain (retain) and earthly throne above us all.
The way I interpret this is that all of Israel means from every tribe of Israel, not every single Jewish person in Israel. And it will represent a remnant of all Jews whoever lived.
Some of the gentiles now being saved do not know they are from the 10 lost tribes are even the 12 tribes. But God does. Some of those we think our gentile are actually Jews
Remember Joseph Married an Egipcia, so Israel did bless Efrain and Manasseh, the Gentil who grafted to Hebrew and fallow the Torah are the tribus of Manasseh and Efrain, there are so many pastors like this one, does not understand God never changed.
Wackadoo judaization.
Bottom line... Paul spoke in error. He did not know all things. He was not infallible. HIs later writings contain no such ideas. He is clear when he states there is neither Jew nor Gentile but one people of God. "I AM THE VINE. YE ARE THE BRANCHES". THERE IS NO OLIVE TREEE IN SIGHT. I declare unto you all, that I an a branch of the vine, bringing forth grapes of the harvest for the Lord's winepress per Rev 14. You who worship Israel, adoration unfounded, Jesus left them desolate, with a deadly wound by a sword,,, the sword of his mouth. Dispensationalism has resurrected this dead head and you worship it.
Try again. You might want to do a study on inspiration.
@@Mike65809 as I said. Paul had a change of heart on the matter of his most favored countrymen. Later saying it makes absolutely no difference what race a man is of. He changed his mind as his revelation continued to formulate his ideas. Again he was not infallible and perfect from day one. There is one Lord one faith,,, ie one people of God. The children of god trumps children of Abraham.
@@dsheppard8492 Give comparative verses that show where Paul said one thing and then later changed his mind.
@@AMightyFortressIsOurGod24 Do you think it is impossible that he would change his mind? Did he not progress in his understanding? Was he infallible? The church was not grafted in to an olive tree of Israel. What ever you call it, the tree of the old covenant was cut down as John the baptist foretold. Jesus is the vine,,, we are the branches who believe in him.
@@dsheppard8492 About those comparative verses...
Disagree.
Watched enough of this guy to understand his logic. His view, it's not uncommon. He simply leans a certain way and reads scripture with a bias. We call it Replacement theology. His bias is equally prominent not unlike the theology Dispensationalist.
His bias, Replacement bias is against Israel.
Mine, is toward. And I prefer that if you are going to have one at all. I'd rather stand With the scriptures then against.
ROMANS 15.27
Gentiles inherit the spiritual blessing NOT the material.
They cannot be Israel and are Never called this. Ever.
New Testament consistently calls gentiles, gentiles. It never calls gentiles Israel. To prove that simply READ it. Not just the verses he wants you to 'misunderstand' but every use. You'll find 95% of the time it is not contested what gentile means. Same with Israel.
Its quite simple.
His arguments are quite weak and have been more than refuted through works such as Life of Messiah from a Jewish Perspective by A. FRUCTENBAUM which shows Why God has unfinished work concerning Israel.
Or the same authors Israeology the Missing Link in Systematic theology.
Get onto that if you can.
Cheers
The elect means one who are chosen from the foundations of the world to this eternal life.
Acts 15:17-18 (KJV)
17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
2 Timothy 1:9 (KJV) Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
This was given to the called/chosen before the world even began sir...
Amen 😊