Cyberpunk 2077 Next-Gen Patch: The Digital Foundry Verdict
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- čas přidán 19. 02. 2022
- A big next-gen update has arrived in the form of patch 1.50 - upgrading PS5 and Xbox Series X version with new visual features, frame-rate enhancements and more. We investigate the new ray tracing mode on console, the loading time improvements - and the state of the Series S update too.
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I still don’t get why developers keep focusing on RT shadows when the major differences come from GI and Reflections. Yes, shadows make a difference, but as for visuals Global illumination is one of the most significant.
Reflections are way more taxing tho. Imagine the fps loss if next gen consoles had RT Reflections. I had to turn it off on PC (RTX 3070 and Ryzen 5 5600x) with DLSS balanced to get 50-60fps. And this is at 1440p
3 hours later edit: Idk wtf CDPR did but the latest 10GB patch from yesterday (2/19) helped with performance insanely! I can now get 60fps average at 1440p with settings maxed out and RT on medium with ALL RT modes enabled!!! Mind blown!
Why are you not making video games then and shoe them
@@ArashiKageTaro Well you're asking a silly amount of GPU power and 60fps for a 3070, DLSS performance mode the higher resolutions
@@retrowrath9374 A 3070 is a high end card, it should have no issues on 1440p DLSS Balanced (which is effectively 960p). with RT reflections off, getting 50-60fps is still abysmal considering it's literally 960p with the most taxing RT option disabled.
I don’t get why developers keep focusing on RT, when 99% of the GPUs on the market can’t handle it. I have a 2080ti OC and I barely could play at 45/55 fps with only RT reflections enabled
Been refreshing the page all weekend waiting for this :D
Same here, I skipped the game until it would be optimised for next gen
Indeed bro 😎
@@ratticusmaximusiii7172 shut then
been waiting a year for the promised DLC for the game.. still waiting 🤢
@@WillemvanderPijl
Same here.
Night City as an open-world is simply incredible. I'm over 70hrs in and still walk around in awe at the scale, the detail, the architecture, everything. I'm also still finding new places I've not seen before.
It is definitely, and I think objectively, quite an amazingly designed world. Fantastic open world game and I love the fallout ish feel to everything else. at least that’s how it feels to me.
@@flataffect I felt the same way. If I just walk around looking for shootouts it feels so much like fallout 4 (which I’m cool with cause I loved the fallout games and kinda bummed I won’t be able to play new bethesda cause I’ve only got a ps5)
@@frankreynolds4413 it's ok there will be a whole new set of next gen consoles out by the time Bethesda puts out fallout 5.
Yet nothing you can do anywhere except shooting people lmao
Thanks for the analysis! Seems quite obvious that more resolution and 60 FPS is a superior choice to 30 FPS, lower res, and some shadow effects that are hard to notice unless you're really looking for them.
That was what i was thinking. Unless you're told "look this is ray tracing" i'd argue you'd never notice.
Seriously. Im convinces Nvidia bribes these developers to spam ray tracing in their games.. no one cares 99% of gamers want a game that can run stable
@@xaby996 it reminds me of the late 90s when lens flair was all the rage.
If it was a consistent 60fps youd be right. But its not...so youre wrong. I will take a solid 30 fps with better visuals over a non consitent 60fps with worse visuals and drops any day. Im not alone on that either.
Agreed, 30fps is basically unplayable for me at this point.
I’ve been waiting all week for this
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Facts was searching on a daily while enjoying the demo and definitely going to buy it.
Me too buddy. Me too
Yeah same.
It’s mad how much I’ve been looking forward to this video.
Why? If you play on console you're already on out-of-date hardware. You should buy a PC
Long story short. It's nowhere near being finished. Still has frequent bugs, but it runs alot better than it previous did. Unless you are on PC you are still going to run into alot of bugs.
@@Grumbledookvid i bet your pc outdated
@@Grumbledookvid have fun buying a pc for $500/€500 that produces this. You'll fail.
@Ababmer Vid Series X and PS5 are not outdated are you high?
The haptics for driving are awesome
i turn all that shit off its distracting not innovative.
Haptics are a great edition
@@wollicreek5508 not in my eyes I've yet to play a game that I found them useful in.
@@xNSHD yeah im with you. I like haptics (xbox has had haptics since 2013 with the release of the xbox one) but it's the adaptive triggers on the dual sense that I have never fucked with... AT makes it feel like my triggers are broken or just stuck.. I hate it.
@@xNSHD Demon souls remake,Astro bot,Cyberpunk update,Dying light 2 and HFW have done good with adaptive triggers and haptics.
Great video! Jumped back in on PC after the patch and it's significantly better. would love to see you guys revisit this on PC and provide your new optimal settings.
This
DF are consolelovers they always prioritize consoles.
@@Bdestiny933 Haha, what were you smoking? DF are PC fanboys and always brag how much better everything is on it. They don't prioritize console and never have....
I think we can all agree this game should have never come to last-gen consoles.
Is it better on PC?
@@BigHushAffiliate Yep
@@BigHushAffiliate yes because of Raytracing. Nvidia shines really much with RTX
The game was advertised for PS4 and Xbox1, waaaaaay before next gen was even talked about...I mean they originally announced Cyberpunk 2077 in 2012, long before the release of the PS4/XB1 in 2013(which were Next-Gen consoles at the time)... Never forget that this game was always supposed to be a PS4 generation game/release, that's how it was advertised and marketed for years and years. There was no mention of PS5 or next generation.
In the case of CD projekt I agree. They clearly proved that they are incapable of producing a cross-gen game. Guerrilla games on the other hand showed how it can be done.
I couldn't care less about RT shadows, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference unless its a side by side comparison pointing it out.
Makes it an easy choice to just go with performance mode on series x
The RT was so underwhelming that I’ve not touched it since booting up 1.5
its rt shadows, which is not worth it what so ever, RT reflections on pc tho is just insane
Not sure why they even bothered. For a 30fps drop they should have been able to have RT reflections (with no RT shadows) on consoles and it would have been much more worth it.
Hey there, Tom! Thanks as always for the incredible work you're doing on these follow-up vids. This is the stuff that is probably less interesting to you guys when it comes time to produce creative video content, but we all really appreciate them!
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I cannot imagine caring enough about shadows to forego 60fps.
I change It to RT mode in cinematic moments when you are not doing much
@@gonzaloxd2 I do the same when i'm not in an intense mission. But when i'm preparing to go into combat, I also go performance mode.
I wouldn’t forego 60 fps for any visual upgrade.
I have to admit the turn out of the ray-tracing mode is disappointing. Lower resolution and half the performance for a barely noticeable lighting improvement in most scenes.
Agreed. At least it makes performance easy to pick unlike in horizon 2 where clearly resolution mode is a million times better
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Yes they should've gone with a 2160p 30fps mode instead. Raytraced shadows are often the first rt effect which I completely turn off on my pc because it has no real impact on image quality like rt reflections or rt global illumination...
That's because they went with Ray traced shadows instead, the best implementation of a cross gen game with ray tracing in my opinion is Metro Exodus and Doom.
@@HugoStiglitz88 A million times better? Not a chance. It's certainly sharper, no argument there. But the gain in performance, mixed with the fact it's not far off from 2160p really blends out when you actually play the game. The resolution difference blends away real fast when actually playing and enjoying the game.
Fantastic work by Your Thomas Morgan on the 1.5 patch review! Thanks a lot!
I came to CZcams today, looking for this video. Thank you guys, great video.
Still prefer the performance mode. The ray traced shadows just don't make enough of a difference overall even in dark areas to justify dropping to 30fps.
to go from 60 to 30 in an FPS the difference would have to be jaw dropping for me.
Yeah I don't think anyone would play it in the RT mode, it's barely visible, while having half the performance
@@huawafabe I do as i suffer motion sickness at 60fps but not 30fps. Im very sensetive to fast very smooth moving camera's.
I usually want the highest quality visuals, but the difference is barely noticeable here, so I am sticking with performance mode.
On PC runs at 60fps with all ray tracing options enabled easily now. Shame new consoles are so weak with RT, mainly since they don't have DLSS.
I downloaded the free trial to check out how it ran on my ps5. I was honestly happy with my experience. Enough so to pick up the full game. A bit disappointed they opted for Ray traced shadows over reflections though.
Great deal for 25.00 bucks. Love the game
It should really be labeled 30fps mode.
What you want is RTGI.
That's the story for this generation, Ray Traced Global Illumination is transformative to the look of videogames (characters and dynamic environments are always correctly lit) and to the speed of videogame production (no need to continually re-bake lighting while editing levels).
Upgraded reflections and shadows are both much less noticeable and provide no benefit to game production, if RTGI is adopted universally it will save people a lot of time and dramatically improve the look of almost every game, the same cannot be said for RT Reflections or RT Shadows.
RT reflections is just too much to handle for consoles. Playing the game on PC with full RT is jaw dropping.
You can get Ray traced reflections, shadows, lighting, and local shadows on PC, but honestly. Ray traced reflections and lighting absolutely wrecks all but the most powerful PC Graphics cards. You pretty much have to run DLSS or FSR on PC to get it running at decent FPS. My 3070ti can do 60+ at 1440p (most of the time, but not always) with all the ray tracing goodies, but without DLSS it's a slideshow. Even 3080s struggle at times.There's just no way for the consoles to do it while maintaining performance and image quality.
Thanks for this, I wasnt sure if RT Mode was worth it. I had no idea RT reflections werent included in Next Gen versions. I think I will be playing in Performance Mode definitley.
Ray tracing is cool, but in this case it's not a drastic enough improvement to sacrifice 60 fps for.
I find that to be the case in a lot of games, quite frankly.
Yep. Spider-Man happened to do alittle of both idk how
I find RT shadows to be a waste most of the time. barely noticeable.
should have gone with either lighting / GI or reflections which enhance the experience so much more.
Ray tracing kind overhyped If you ask me. Was just used as a selling point for new consoles. Haven't really played a game where I would sacrifice FPS for it. Although it did look cool in miles Morales with RT reflections
@Drewlaw
Yeah, and that was great and how i played it. Still, i would have gladly sacrificed rt for 60fps if that's all that was on offer
Agreed. The way I play games, I won't notice that small of a difference to be honest lol but I'll notice a 30 fps drop
From what I've seen so far, RT GI has the most visible visual difference out of all the RT techniques when applied individually but I guess it's the most expensive. RT reflections is somewhere in the middle while I honestly have a hard time noticing RT shadows.
The probe based GI along with the baked irradiance maps used on CP2077 are pretty good in my opinion (though the probe update is a tad slow) and it does look like they are doing a screenspace gi pass through the rt hardware (actually it seems they are using the rt hardware for a lot of the screenspace effects such as ssr which is why it looks more detailed).
RT shadows can make a big difference for far shadows and near shadows, which current shadow techniques start to fail. Generally this is things like grass not casting shadows, or in distance vistas, shadows are culled completely. Halo Infinite really suffers from the lack of distant shadows.
@@nelsoncabrera6464 I would love for you to explain how the use "RT hardware for SSR".
BVH and ray-/triangle-intersection has nothing to do with SSR (whic also is a post-processing effect)...
Ball in your court...
In CP2077 I think that RT reflections is the RT setting I notice the most, the same goes for WD Legion. RTGI and shadows on just look slightly different than off, more like 2 artistic choices with some small differences than a "wow, this RT thing is amazing" and nothing I really miss having when playing the game.
Rt reflections are honestly the only thing i notice.
Been checking for this daily guys, it's been a dark time watching other people do performance tests and performing my own.
I have both consoles but could you not argue that the Xbox will deliver a smoother experience thanks to VRR?
I noticed on a LG CX XBOX has a higher refreshrate and DOlby Visiion. It looks a lot better tbh
The haptics for driving are awesome.. having R2 go soft between gear changing is so gratifying.. it makes you feel like you're jamming that pedal in to the engine bay with the resistance it has... Solid 9/10 on my new gen replay..
The adaptive triggers are a godsend on the PS5.. so much met immersion in both racers and shooters
@@liuby33 absolutely agreed, it's a new level of immersion for gaming that is truly a next gen upgrade , I hope it's implemented on all other gaming formats too , definitely more than a gimmick
I feel driving is worse than before because your vehicle seems to break by itself despite keeping the right trigger button pressed. They only had to fix two things to make the driving smoother: make the damn car break faster and without spinning. So that you can turn corners normally like in any other game that has vehicles. Instead they managed to mess it up even more.
@@ifstatementifstatement2704 I'm not referring to the driving for 2077 but for racing game in general. 2077's cars feel very weightless and is in no way physically accurate.
but I heard they added weight to cars in next gen upgrade..
Having played it on the ps5 now, I feel that it’s vastly improved. I’m happy overall
I’m which mode are you playing ?
It's a ton of fun
I started on ps4bc version finished on the PS5 version, now playing the side quests... Loving it even more
It is fun, yeah. Act 1 is incredible. Some hiccups here and there (I had two crashes, some pop in issues, sparse NPC and vehicle population), but overall vastly superior than the older version.
Interesting; jumping back into this to explore what’s possible
Getting a taste of All high settings well above 60fps on the PC right now and from playing it on all low last year it's amazing.
I've got to say, when I started playing, I thought the ray tracing mode was just broken. I was looking at as many reflections as I could, and all I could see was a crunchy 240P lookin' set of reflections. Which is annoying, because the toggle for RT mode specifically says "provides photorealistic rendering of shadows and reflections"
Yeah thats the worst part in my opinion, the reflection from the puddles on the road for ps5 just suck!
They even lie in game settings?
@@BoyProdigyBaby yup
@@BoyProdigyBaby You can see it in the video. Watch for the RT mode toggle.
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Id love to see a video about the pc changes too, as water physics had been added as long with the improvements on raytraced shadows.
Oh wow they added in the water physics finally? Stuff like that while sounding minor made the game look so weird and flat when it wasn’t there
@@alolanstarboy I spent 200 hours on the game and interacted with water twice I think. While it's good that they imporved it, it's such a minor detail.
Definitely! Rev up that 3080ti DF!!!
I'm pretty sure Alex is on it! Right Alex?????????
@@acutuap Yeah they cut out any missions that required going into water and hence also cut out a few skills that were centre’s around it in this patch since those skills were basically useless. Either way I was just talking about it from a general world experience kind of perspective
I’m very happy with this patch. Why don’t we ever get an option for 1080p 60fps ray tracing though? I couldn’t give a shit about 4K if it means taking a sub 60 experience
Same!
I absolutely love the performance RT modes in games like Miles Morales and Ratchet and Clank.
Absolutely this. I want RT reflections!
For me, I find it incredibly stupid that CDProjekt Red didn't implement FidelityFX Super Resolution with this update. They could've easily pushed 1080p raytraced world being upscaled to at least 1440p and the upscaler of the console and TV would take care of the rest. We have all these new technologies on these new consoles, which are even open source, yet they decided not to use it. Lel
@@kovmenius do you really think they can do anything easily at this point? You do know how long the game was broken right?
@@kovmenius has any developer implemented FSR at this point? If they did, i would say many PS4 owners will be happier for long since FSR works on older GPUs as well. As far as I know, the only upscaling supported on consoles is checkerboarding
When the shadows are good they are great and I'm snapping away like crazy in photo mode, but the framerate performance mode is especially appealing in gunfights. I keep switching back and forth and don't know what to stick with.
From an architectural stand point it’s one of the best cities in a game. I love walking around the city looking at the buildings
Same! Because of this, they even gave us a walking option on PC lol
I remember playing it in 2020 when it released on a GTX 1650 laptop. I was on a mixture of settings at 1080p and even on such weak hardware and a mix of mid, high and low settings the game world was one of the prettiest I'd ever seen. If nothing else, they got the city right. Exploring it and driving through it listening to custom soundtracks was the highlight of my experience.
It's because CDPR got actual city planners and architects to help design the city, so it felt like a real city. There's a really good video I saw somewhere years ago about an architect talking about the layout and structures.
Played it for the first time a few days ago and I agree with you, the city is incredible. I’m really enjoying the game too, glad I waited for the “fixed” version, lol.
I also love the city in the Matrix tech demo. Even though it's just a demo, I love driving/walking and flying around there.
Thank you for this video. Just to clarify, PS5 in BC mode had fast loading times on release (less than 10 seconds). It was only after a patch (perhaps 1.2) that the loading times increased.
Great analysis as always. Looking forward to revisiting cyberpunk 2077 to check out the new features. Can't help but feel a bit disappointed in the ray tracing implementation. Personally don't find RT shadows to be worth the performance cost. Same with Dying Light 2. Would love to be behind the scenes to get a sense of the optimization process for console implementations and trade offs of implementing various RT features. For me, the priority number 1 should be RT GI. Metro Exodus managed to do it on console and it is absolutely stunning. Can't also help but feel Series X has some untapped potential in RT mode given the RT performance difference between it and PS5 we've seen in other games so far this gen.
Really enjoy this game now after 1.5. Looks great at 4K screen.
It does Not
@DoABarrelRolll get your eyes check , playing this on my oled c1 with hgig is fkg beautiful
@@o_KingOfKings_o I have an OLED C9, you think the Series S version be worth it?
@@Slash12121 idk man I hate playing on 30fps 😞 , maybe wait for 60fps patch, but if you don’t mind 30fps go for it 😊
I have an OLED too, but I think the game’s resolution mode was sharper than before the patch… I don’t care about RT if it means the game is super soft.
Really curious to see the dive into the PC updates, especially after that hefty hotfix dropped that seemed to give performance a boost
I am not sure since when, but the game now has less cpu usage
Depends but for raytracing the performance seems to have dipped for most people due to the inclusion of raytraced shadows from artificial light sources. So if you were running ultra ray tracing before the patch, and didn't change settings afterwards, it seems like performance dropped. Haven't gotten to trying this out myself though.
@@toomuchstarbucks6787 Performance seems the same to me with Ray tracing at the highest. Probably depends on the area and time of day.
i have to say on my PC the framerates have increased by a solid 15-30 on max settings with ultra ray tracing. I'm pretty happy with it. and i have a 2080 super.
@@Sandul666 I have an overclocked Rtx 2080Super and it's been pretty smooth on 1.5 so far.
Really great review and excellent points made! Thanks for this
imagine how marvelous the game will be if it is launched in this state?
I am only hoping for more story content now.
Half the hype + this version as a day one and it would've been one of the best games ever
I feel like playing this over horizon. I think I'll give this a shot
Thanks for getting this up so soon Tom. I’m sure it was a grind.
Great vid as ever but don’t forgot the code that runs on ps4 and Xbox one is also significantly lower settings across the bored (lower res textures, low poly counts, lot closer pop in, lower LODs, lots of reduced or cut out lighting, massively reduced NPCs and cars, randomly spawning NPCs etc) all that has been greatly increased as well as frame rate, resolution and rt shadows so it’s a big jump on from last gen
big leap for the past generation? the game still runs with drops to 24 FPS on Xbox One for example, and also the improved AI from npcs to cd projekt didn't even bring it to the last generation, according to them the last generation couldn't handle it, ok.. I think they forgot about several games that came out in the last generation before with much better npc AI, red dead 2 for example.
@@joaocarlospaesjr2324 yes last gen is still horrible I mean a big jump from there to current gen versions beyond the expected res and fps boosts
Great video, very helpful. I'm a fan of the cyberpunk genre so have been wanting to play this at some point, but am happy to wait as long as it takes for the game to reach its potential. Performance Mode on PS5 seems like the way to go: I'll be honest, I can't really tell what's going on with Ray-Tracing even when I'm shown a side-by-side comparison. I mostly play indie games and visual novels, so advanced stuff like that doesn't mean much to me. I'll be getting to this in a month or so when I've finished my current projects. Perhaps by then there'll be a 1.6 patch that further irons things out.
47FPS, Wtf. I'd rather play at 1080p for a 100% smooth 60fps at ultra settings. why resolution over frame rate all the time with devs.
Top tier quality content DF as always.
Would have been even better if Richard was also involved in this video. His insight into things and british mannerisms are always the cherry on top.
Long story short. It's nowhere near being finished. Still has frequent bugs, but it runs alot better than it previous did. Unless you are on PC you are still going to run into alot of bugs.
The adaptive triggers on ps5 are phenomenal!!! The accelerator feeling heavy them light between gears, incredible. One of my fave uses of haptics yet after astro and Returnal.
100% night and day. Loving the dualsense in here, from the sounds to the triggers. Only for that the PS5 version is better than the X version imo
Try giving a shot to Forbidden West. It's by far the most fleshed out implementation yet imo.
@Eduardo Campos there aren't any in this game on PS5 lol
I think the triggers feel a little bit TOO stiff in this game. Especially when driving.
Definitely will get the game on PS5 before the digital version sale ends. I have a physical copy of the game on Xbox One that I got on release day and beat on my One X. I have a Series S now as well but not the Series X. Figured since I have a PS5 why not rebuy now especially for the adaptive triggers. I could get a cheaper physically on the PS4 disc which would work but eh no point in having two physical copies. Might see if GameStop trade in value had went up for the Xbox One version if I was to get a physical copy on PS4 to play on PS5.
Played at release with a 2060 and heavy optimization. Did things I usually don't mess with like in Nvidia settings and even had ISLC run before every session.
Having played the game that way ; this is the first update that makes the game feel anywhere near that experience on console.
Really appreciate Thomas Morgan's next gen review! He always sounds genuine and professional at the same time!
Tom is excellent. An important foundation of DF.
oh hello @7:10 min mister "naked" :D
Personally I always felt his preference for playstation is pretty easy to spot.
@@dannonyogurt98 when a lower spec console sometimes out performs a higher spec console its pretty easy to sound bias cause its an impressive achievement. As an avid xbox player I can understand the prays given to said machine.
@@miguelroman4294 I don't mean in just this video but overall.
But as an example you are saying that in this video the PS5 out performed the Xbox but again that's just because of the way he presents it. 99.9% of the time they are both locked at 60 FPS and in the two occasions where the PS5 has a higher FPS is because it's only pushing 80% of the pixels of the xbox. But you won't find that in this review you have to do the math yourself. The other DF reviewers tend to point these things out.
Damn, playing on the Series X, I was really hoping that the Raytracing would make a huge difference, but I would pick 60fps over Raytracing any day
Which mode is enabled by default on Series X? Performance or raytracing?
@@jackwayne1626 performance
@@ivantaskar9703 Thanks
Honestly no matter how pretty they made the raytracing mode I'd never be willing to sacrifice my framerate for it. This game feels heavy and terrible at 30 FPS.
I found the input latency god awful on RT mode so switched to performance
I've been waiting for this Video, awesome stuff DF.
The 1.50 Next-Gen Upgrade isn't perfect but is very much needed and the PS5 & Series X is Looking n Running much better, Performance Mode is looking like the way too go on those Machines.
I am impressed with the Series S version, 1440p at 30fps is really good stuff but ashame there is no 1080p 60fps Mode tho.
1440p 30 is not good at all
It's emberrasing
@@nguxurr9667 for the Series S, that is pretty good but for the Series X, that would be piss poor for sure but anyway Cyberpunk 2077 came out way too soon and has had many Issues on all Platforms.
@@nguxurr9667 I have a series s. This game looks phenomenal on the system
Running much better? It’s literally running worse now than before and I’m on Series X
@@zackariasevertson7733 aww man that is major bummer then.
The Series S version is very compatible in presentation and pixel count to its counterparts in Ray-Tracing mode. Being a machine that costs the same as a base PS4 and less than a Nintendo Switch Oled, it is perfect.
I reckon Series S owners might find it 'more perfect' if CDPR addsed a Perf mode on S. Many complex AAA games have provided 60fps modes on Series S in the last year.
I don't have a Series S, but I've always appreciated that Microsoft kept the great CPU in it, and you see plenty of optional 60fps modes in major AAA stuff.
Super fucking reduced res/image quality 60fps modes? Yeah, sometimes. But solid 60fps.
CDPR can do a 900p 60fps option for Series S (even it needs DRS, with a sub-1080p max range).
I bet it's coming. They tweeted feedback.
It's 30fps though the series S got shafted
The faster loading time on PS5 is a game changer. If you die, it’s quick to reload from the last save point and continue the game. This makes the whole experience much smoother.
I agree, getting killed or being spotted in a part where you want to stay stealth doesn’t feel like a punishment anymore
@@realitycheck908 PC gamer upset about superior console load times by any chance?
It also makes hard mode a lot more viable. Even though they improved the AI in combat, you can still get rolled if you're not careful as the dmg is quite unpredictable. But with fast loads it's no issue at all. Just a short load and play a bit smarter.
@@realitycheck908 I doubt you played more than 20 minutes of this game. It's a great game, just didn't deliver on everything they said.
@@Coxy_Wrecked Gen 5 m.2 so nah im good :)
Love it when Thomas Morgan does the review . Straight to the point!
Yes the others are cool but they like to waffle for longer.
@@Gunner4u yea he is the best
non boomer status
His hair gives him +2 Charisma.
Agreed
The 30fps ray tracing mode is unplayable
I'm not really up on all the latest graphics stuff, but am playing new patch on PS5 and love the overall change they have made to the look of this game, much more cinematic and contrasty. So my question is do you think the could add ray tracing reflections at some point, or is it just too taxing even for these latest consoles?
It shouldn’t be too taxing. These consoles are incredibly capable. It’s just wether the devs are able to optimize it
I will never play 30fps with ray tracing if i have 60fps mode.
I feel just having ray-traced shadows doesn’t add much to a majority of the games’ major vistas which are brightly lit neon streets. Maybe having RTAO or something of the sort to incorporate ray tracing into the scene lighting may have made more of a visual impact
It makes the shadows look like real ones not fake projected inaacurate shadows and much better render distance, alos soft and sharp depending on the distance like real shadows
@@retrowrath9374 Yeah but for 90% of the game its something that’s barely noticeable I switched over to performance mode myself after a while of playing on RT. The input latency, lower resolution and underwhelming RT effect wasn’t worth it over the 60 FPS.
@@alolanstarboy You mean you barely notice it but the simple fact of the matter is that the RT shadows look superior hence the performance loss, whether you notice them or not
I really wish they would've gone with reflections or lighting instead. Even the lowest RT lighting setting on PC looks a hundred times better than standard lighting, and there's so many reflective surfaces in the game that reflections would've really elevated the game visually. My guess is that they threw the cheapest RT effect in there just to be able to market the game as having it included.
@@retrowrath9374 my complaint isn't the performance drop but the underwhelming choice of RT effects, why would I choose the 30 fps mode when it looks so similar to the performance mode
I definitely enjoy the dual sense features. Really like how the controller can be used by devs willing to invest on it.
I played through the Rescue mission on series X (street kid start). In the club area where you start out, and the alley where you meet the guy - comparing performance versus RT mode - I can't imagine why anyone would pick 30 vs 60 fps (which is very smooth so far) for these shadow effects that I barley noticed. Maybe it's more noticeable in other areas.
Raytracing is a gimmick you can't running games at reasonable framerate while having it on. Everybody will chose better framerate over better lighting so I'd say nVidia should stop pushing RT so much and rather improve 2k and 4k performance of their cards.
If I played on console there's no way I would use it, but there is a lot of people into the whole digital photography thing who take some amazing screenshots in this game. For people into some of these alternate playstyles it will be a nice inclusion.
I kept trying RT mode but the FPS sacrifice was not worth it. It felt so sluggish at 30. Very happy with the look of the game in Performance and the framerate feels more consistent.
@@svsolace yeah I agree with all these comments. After becoming accustomed to 60ish fps games on console, it's hard to not always choose it when possible. If the RT had been reflections, maybe it would be more noticeable but I just did not even see much difference during actual gameplay of these RT shadow enhancements.
I play dying light 2 in performance mode i will never go back to 30fps
How do these guys only have 1.2 Million subs? They do the work, and do it so extensively, that no one else really does. Their attention to detail is pinpoint and intensive, informative and collective. The industry needs to hire these guys are their true QA testers...you can't release your game to go gold until it gets the DF seal of approval.
It looks like in patch 1.5 they also tweaked the dynamic camera exposure to stay more aggressively exposed for highlights than before. It used to be way more heavy on the blown out, overexposed camera effect when moving from darker to brighter scenes.
Judging from the video alone Ich not sure the new one looks better...
@@cube2fox yeah, it’s a little less cinematic now. As a film and photography professional, I appreciate the effects to emulate real life camera properties and artifacts in games, with the exception of being in competitive or esports games.
The very dynamic exposure didn't mesh well with their face and skin rendering, it just looked flat out broken at some points. It still looks bad at points in 1.5.
@@ZalvaTionZ very true. It looks bad on their skin shaders. It’s probably more to do with how the exposure ramping is being applied too linearly, rather than how it would actually change in-camera with colors becoming less saturated at higher exposure values. If it’s not doing this properly, it will make saturated colors go neon and crappy looking.
@@itsd0nk It's interesting that they still haven't quite figured out such intuitively 'basic' stuff, even in AAA games. There is probably a lot of potential for improvement which isn't dependent on hardware performance.
9:00 A diffused shadow has nothing to do how far it is from the light source. Or not diectly. If it's a point source (as most are), you get the same sharp edges at any distance, but if the source has an area (Sun or bulb), it gets covered by a different amount and creates a gradient.
One of the most useful analysis. I was going to play through the game on Ray tracing because I've seen videos of how game changing it can be for the visuals on PC, despite 30fps feeling like shit for a FPS. Now that I know the Ray Tracing is massively nerfed, there is zero reason to not just go with 60fps.
I bought it on day 1. Was disappointed so didn't play it much. Came back to it for patch 1.5 and really enjoying it. I'm playing it on a pretty low spec pc medium/low settings at 1080p. 45fps. Looks and plays amazing though I think. Can't quite imagine how it must look on a high end machine or next gen console as these videos never really do it justice.
Full RT Psycho mode on my 3090 is straight up mindblowing. DLSS is pretty much needed if you want to experience full Ray Tracing in this game.
The loss of resolution and halved frame rate make ray tracing mode completely redundant in this game. It's extremely hard to tell the difference in shadows even when compared side to side in this video.
On consoles, yes. RT on an NVidia GPU on this game is mindblowing.
@@terminator2348 I disagree. The visual difference ray tracing makes on my 3070 is disappointing at best considering the performance cost. It's just not worth it.
Quite often regular reflection and shadow solutions look better to the eye than technically more accurate ray tracing. In its current state RTX seems more like Nvidia's marketing ploy rather than a meaningful step forward.
Ray tracing will not be widely used until it gets adapted more efficiently by developers and the GPUs will be powerful enough to render it with minimal to no performance hit.
@@druminik Check out digitalfoundry's dying light 2 raytracing analysis. Even metro's implementation looks better. When implemented correctly, it looks amazing. CP2077 is kind of a meh implementation.
@@druminik I disagree, Psycho Ray Tracing mode on my 3090 looks stunning. DLSS is a godsend.
@@DarknessEssense I've seen that video and I'm actually playing through DL2 at the moment. That game looks dated even with full ray tracing on, but that wasn't my point. I'm not arguing against ray tracing. I'm saying that currently the cost of it far outweighs the graphical gains.
Damn Series S really got shafted with only 30fps on this current gen.
One of the most highly anticipated Digital Foundry videos ever!
Playing the game for the first time on PS5, glad I waited
Would really love for Alex to update his "optimised settings" video for PC, since CDPR removed AMD's CAS from the options menu, as well as other settings being tweaked.
Cas is still there, just as a toggle below fsr
Playing on PS5, the upgrade slightly exceeded my expectations. Judging on a rather demanding performance on PC, a ~1440p experience with 60 fps should be satisfactory. I wonder what are the Detail settings compared to PC (i presume a combination of medium/high?) but it looks great. The game may not have the punch of Ratchet & Clank, but it does look very good.
I hope from this point people can start to just appreciate the game for what it is rather then keep talking about the bugs. It's a very fun & unique experience and i am looking forward to an expansion now.
Whenever a new game or update drops, I am always hyped for the Digital Foundry analysis. Regardless of the game and if I’ll play it, I always watch your stuff. Hats off to the amazing content quality you guys keep delivering. Thank you!
100% agree. Fantastic work on all consoles from them.
This is probably one of the most awaited videos in DF history. I'm on PS5 and there's just no benefit in playing with RTS. Thank you!
Yeah I have the game on series X and PC and my PC stomps what the consoles can do. I mean the consoles have the low population setting on what looks like medium graphics and can't retain 60fps in performance mode. Kinda disappointing for the "next gen" hardware
In RT mode theres such a miniscule difference in visual quality but such a massive drop to performance. Its a terrible way to play the game
@@thehorsecockexpress1068 It's not the hardware, it's the incompotent developers who don't know how to optimize for consoles
I like the 30 fps mode because it looks more realistic to my eyes, and the game is trying so hard to present itself as film that it just seems to fit what its trying to achieve. Smoke especially looks better on my LG OLED at the lower fps IMO.
Playing this purely as a game experience then no question 60 > 30, but to me its the same issue when doing 60 fps video over 30 or 24 fps. I cant stand 60 fps video and film.
So many CZcamsrs switched to 60 when it became available. "Its better because 60 is higher than 30 bruh"...SMH
@@afropovic ROFL, especially in combat
The really nice Shadows help for sure but I'd welcome them to go down to 1080p for that depth you get from RT reflections but I understand the thought process of people complaining about 1080p, plus likely not enough performance at 1080p because these shadows dont draw a BVH that reflections can access making the cost larger. I didnt expect much more than this from these version so its fine I guess
There are living an amazing 10 people in this big city.
I'm very happy that I have waited before playing on Series X. Honestly the game is pretty damn awesome! I don't think it is super next gen but it is very much a quality product now and I'm happy!
I think it's next gen, I mean these "next gen" consoles can't even retain constant 60fps on a high graphic and population setting with Ray tracing off. My rtx 3080 can
@@thehorsecockexpress1068 no offense man, but like, no shit.
@@thehorsecockexpress1068 so you mean your (at least) 700€/$ GC can run a game better than a 500€/$ console?! How come :o
@@lionceau1410 it’s funny how people try to flex their $2000 machines by comparing them to $500 consoles. We get it, your machine is better.
It’s a great game. I loved it even when it was pretty much broken early on. This patch has made me very happy
Having played through all versions on both consoles, at least for me, the difference is night and day after this patch. There is a lot more going on here it feels like than just a performance and resolution bump. Or maybe it’s just me. But it looks a lot crisper and most notably there is little noticable popin in performance mode which plagued that mode in previous versions for me. Distance detail also seems to hold more than the previous version.
I’m just glad we’re at a place where we’re actually talking about specs and performance rather than what’s wrong with the game. So a total win all around and definitely a step in the right direction. And I agree PS5 definitely gets the lions share of improvements here over what it was previously running. I initially picked it up for PS5 but could not deal with it so played it on Series X in Quality Mode which was probably the best place to play this game on console prior to this. Running a third playthrough on PS5 this time for the haptics and to pop some new trophies and I’m fairly happy with how it turned out. Def a great time to jump in for anyone who has been itching to play this one. There is a great game in here with some truly great moments that will forever be drowned out by it’s release. And I hope we see a lot more of this IP because they really nailed the vibe and the look of the world. It’s a joy to be in.
Very thoughtful review.
I have it on Series X but considering it for PS5 just for DualSense & trophies. Does it offer Adaptive trigger support?
It's a shame Tom didn't point out these differences, only crowd density, resolution and frame rate
I have to admit, I had my doubts that they could improve the game enough on console that the illusion of the world would suspend my disbelief less, but they actually really did it. It’s not perfect, but it’s a AAA title that reminds me a great deal of another shooter / rpg, called fallout 4. Both titles have different things to offer, but the story telling of cp77 is probably quite a bit superior (still playing through). I’d say if you liked fallout 4 last gen, cp77 this gen is now finally worth playing. Don’t let the launch fiasco deter you from finding it cheap somewhere.
Actually, just downloaded the trial on PS5 so I'll check it out later.
@@DrJones20 To be fair he did work a lot already and people were waiting for the video so much he probably didn't have much time to make it. It takes a while to do those comparisons, play the game on each console again and again...
The RT shadows is not something that can be seen making a big difference in a side by side comparison of some scenes.
However, it does make the visual experience altogether, more immersive as a whole while playing the game.
Of course this doesn't mean that playing in 60fps is not a big improvement gameplay wise but it's a good thing they gave us the option.
How do you know the internal resolution of games running at dynamic res and apparent res of 4k?
Would you consider doing a DF weekly and talk a bit about your analysis methods? Those you can talk about, of course.
I had an interesting fps drop in the Maelstrom HQ shootout you showed in the video (that same big room) on PS5. Fresh download of the PS5 version. Started playing again. During the shootout scene, it was perfectly fine, no drops. But then suddenly it started dropping fps to like 20, I thought, it was because I was looking into the fire in that room so I looked away and it was still going lower and lower in fps and in just a few seconds, it wasn't even 1 fps, it was lagging like crazy. It was about 1 frame per 3 or 4 seconds. So I saved the game, reloaded the save and that fixed it. I hope that this was very rare :-). Otherwise enjoying this game again. Played it before on PC without any problems.
Had the exact same issue on Xbox Series X, fixed it by doing the exact same thing. It happened to me maybe 2/3 times in 30 hours so far, so it's rare, but weird
Concerning ray tracing, I must say that I'm not really surprised PS5 & XB can't really hold up to most peoples "expectations".
Given the fact that even a RTX 3090 combined with an ultra-high-end PC struggle here heavily, at roughly 5 to 10 times the price!
Ray tracing is basically still at the beginning. Until we see really powerful RT hardware, game engines and techniques that make full use of full scene ray tracing,
we will most likely have to wait another one or two decades perhaps even more...
Especially since RT isn't the only hardware hungry feature of the last years. UHD, HDR, High-FPS ect. are all features that put additional enormous pressure
on the Hardware, on top of the contentiously evolving complexity of modern games.
Given the fact that we usually only see an increase of roughly 30% performance increase every GPU generation, it's not really a surprise NVIDIA, AMD & Co. can't keep up...
Ratchet, Spiderman....you can have pretty good rtx on next gen but you need to care about native platform development, this game needs at least one more year to come close to a finished state and rtx is by far not the biggest problem.
@@verboseEV No doubt. Native platform development and heavy optimizations are oftentimes the key to weather a game is playable in the first place or not.
Unfortunately game development becomes more intense and expensive generation by generation...
AAA-Titles have basically become impossible to develop on a single platform, simply due to the enormous development costs. And should I say "greed" of the bigger companies? This game is a good example to what happens when developers don't get enough time to do their job...
Concerning RT, there is always the question what you expect from ray tracing as it is in the first place. I often hear people complain about the fact, that there seems to be no real difference compared to traditional rendering. But if you are aware, that those traditional rendering techniques have evolved over decades,
while ray tracing is just in the beginning and only selectively used to "enhance" the visual quality, instead of replacing it, you get a pretty good
idea how future fully ray-traced games may look like... It's basically the difference between emulating and simulating reality.
RTGI would be the better choice than rt shadows for the next patch.
@@turrican4d599 Well, from a visual quality standpoint - sure. But at what performance hit? 5-10fps might just not be exactly
the what most people would call playable. Which is most likely the reason they didn't implement it.
A cranked up CP in UHD only makes around ~20fps on a 3090 without DLSS. (depends ofc. on the driver, the rest of the system, OC and settings)
Great video, as usual! Just one point, you failed to mention that Xbox Series X was running at a higher resolution when you compared the performance to PS5 and said that the PS5 ran better. I’d personally prefer the better performance, but it wasn’t a fair comparison.
Every next gen native app runs better on PS5, no news here
Resolution difference is very small and irrelevant for the comparison.
Xbox is pure brute force, PS5 is just engineered better
@@nobro_i_ate_u It’s clearly a factor when there is only about a 5fps difference. The higher resolution on the Series X accounts for that difference.
@@nobro_i_ate_u stop with ur lies. When Xbox is running at the same resolution it runs circles around the PS4Pro+ errr….PS5. I mean use your brain, it not far off in FPS and it runs at a much higher resolution so this ain’t an apples to oranges comparison. Get back to me when y’all have ONE game on PS5 that looks like HellBlade 2… I’ll wait.
@@nobro_i_ate_u no disrespect but are you really saying the ps5 is "better engineered" than the series x? What does that even mean? I'm not a fanboy of either damn console but if we're talking form factor and efficiency then xbox is slightly superior (this is obvious in the fact that it doesn't sound like a 747 taking off- something PlayStations are now synonymous with) but for performance, well aside from a very small performance benefit on the series x, both consoles run nearly the same zen 2 chipsets and configurations. So I put it to you that if there is any distinction in cross platform games, then it likely has more to do with whatever console was given more "love" or dev time to fully optimise the gameplay. I imagine after the shockingly bad release of this game on PlayStation and the subsequent removal from the PlayStation store, it stands to reason that cdpr would spend more time on the ps5 version if they are looking to make money. And that doesn't take into account the fact that the xbox is rendering the game at a slightly higher resolution most of the time (as stated by the digital foundry guy here)
Obviously they like to get fanboys bickering though as it's good for traffic on their channel......
@@guesswho5170 Typical salty Xbot comment 😆🤣😆 This game does not run at a much higher resolution on SX. It's very marginal. SX does not run circles around the PS5. They're more or less neck and neck in most cases. As for your Hellblade 2 comment. Yeah it looks nice. But no game on Xbox looks nicer or even as nice as Horizon Forbidden West. So, keep crying.
Just played the test version on XSX. It looks just beautiful. Bought it.
TRASH
Thank you for service DF.
You can watch all the reviews you want, all the previews, and trailers, but it's not until the Digital Foundry video drops until you really know what's up
Or play it yourself and do your own analysis and use their video as confirmation 🤡
I mean like this is a re review. If you’re watching this you more than likely already own it. So go try it out yourself. If you don’t, then ok valid reasoning as to why you’d wait for the video. Either way, while they may be top tier, they are not the only ones qualified to do analysis on a game.
@@Chris.Smith420 I haven't gotten the game yet and I wanted to wait until word was out if the next gen patch is worth it now. So I would say anyone is allowed to do an analysis on any fucking game they want. I don't blindly put money into a company that has released shit work in the past like this game at launch for consoles. And Witcher 3 is one of my fav games ever
@@Chris.Smith420 wow, you went from 0 to troll pretty quick then, sorry you're so miserable and feel the need to be negative all the time, get well soon mate.
question! how come the channel never mentioned the VRR on xbox series s/x. i have a msi monitor and i have VRR on it, i have it enabled on both. i ran thru the market area, i don't see any skips etc in this area. is that due to the VRR if yes how come it was not mentioned in video?
Started playing on Series X a couple months ago, but stopped when there was talk of the next gen version releasing soon. In my time playing the new version I've noticed frame hitches, but nothing terrible. Well, until I started the side quest for the prospective new mayor and his wife. There were two areas in the city that dropped to probably 20fps consistently until I walked away from the area. I hope they give it another stability pass to clean that up.
About time guys I've been waiting for this for a week 😂, awesome job once again.
I waited 15 months for the PS5 version, so that 1 week ment nothing. Kept myself busy with the 5 hour trial while waiting LOL
Loving the game on PS5 atm. The free trial is great too, I recommend it for anyone who hasn't played the game yet.
Yep, i need to get this free trial.
sorry for being rude...
@@NinaIseri Red Dead is great sure, but I'd still recommend this as it's a different type of experience. I see alot of people hating on it that haven't actually played it yet, so the ability to try it for free is great for them to see how the game is in a wayyy better state now.
Is there a time limit on when to pick up a trial? Last time i played this was release with a great cpu but only a 1060 for the gpu end! Almost feel a bit bad for finishing it in a few weeks. Also can i just pick up a used PS4 version to get it upgraded to PS5 for free or is it more a Death Stranding situation?
@@Cogglesz I believe the trial is available until March 15th. And yeah it's a free upgrade so you can just put the PS4 disk in and you'll be able to download the PS5 version.
Honestly cannot tell the difference in Ray Tracing Mode on a ps5 AT ALL. Not sure why anyone would opt to play in that mode over performance
Here to report the update on PC is phenomenal as well. I'm one of the rare people that didn't have a ton of bugs on my first playthrough, mostly visual stuff like repeated people in crowds. However now not only is there allot of content and AI upgrades added, but I am getting MUCH better framerates that are more stable. I am running it on a very modest outdated rig RX580 and a old I5 cpu. Was able to bump most settings up to high, including screen space reflections at a stable 50-70fps. With AMD freesync I have been more than happy with the experience.
With a 3080 TI I still have to run DLSS extreme for constant 70-100 fps in 4K. No DLSS at all with full settings is still a slideshow.
Maybe in 2077 we get a rig that can run true 4k smoothly with all details :-)
Starting to think that i'll likely go through this console generation entirely without raytracing. Switching to 30 fps is just never worth it.
Ratchet and Spiderman have 60fps raytracing modes and they are phenomenal.
Doom eternal has a raytraced upgrade at 60fps. (Some of the best RT reflections I've seen after ratchet).
Metro exodus has raytracing at 60fps.
@@yanceyboyz When you can count the number of games on one hand that that have RT at 60 fps, you know that it's likely not going to become the standard for this console generation. I think we will likely continue to see performance & quality modes for most major games until PS6 / Xbox 5. I can't wait until we get to the point that all games can have native 4K with RT shadows and RT reflections at 60 fps, and a performance mode at 120 fps. That will be next generation, current gen console tech isn't capable.
@@yanceyboyz cyberpunk is exceptionally more detailed than all of those games as great as they look
@@Zamzummin Really? The next gen consoles haven’t been out that long. Having a handful of games already that have ray tracing at 60fps is a pretty strong indicator
@@biscuitsntea421 Is it? Metro Exodus is very detailed
Picked this up on PS5, honestly an amazing game
You have very low standards if you this game is amazing.
Quick phone this man a doctor
@@bigfatchubbybritboy9445 your opinion is irrelevant when it comes to me enjoying this game.
@@akatsuki_silva nobody claims you didn't enjoy it... Just that you have low standards
@@bigfatchubbybritboy9445 Best game of the decade!
Nicely done Tom.
Finally playing this game after the nExt gen upgrade…. Really enjoying it… good balance of FPS and RPG
It would seem we are likely seeing a mixture of med and high settings of a PC on the next gen consoles. Pretty decent for this game as it's pretty heavy. Would like to see CDPR implement FSR ultra Quality to possibly improve things slightly more.
Medium on Series x is an insult for the players and for the whole console ecosystem too. These dews dont know how to make a decent game. Clearly ^^''
@@gaborszabo7765 it’s an insult for ps5 too should be mostly high
@@gaborszabo7765 yeah those damn dews can’t develop nothing!
@@darkshadow6556 more demanding games run on these systems, even on the last gen systems. It’s a dev issue
So why was the update so delayed if all we got was shadows? Series s got robbed, and now even last gen doesnt get new quests or outright new features because "it cant handle it".
Glad to hear that the game is finally at the state it should have been at for launch over a year ago. Maybe I’ll actually pick it up now if I see it on sale again.
It’s on sale for the PS5 for $24.99 till March 3, 2022
It’s on sale for 20 bucks on the Microsoft Store I believe
Still not even close to what was promised pre launch hype
@@bifteki2214 we do not give a shit bro damn
Been waiting on this video since the next gen patch released!
So what I get from this video is that the PS5 version plays slightly better than the XsX version. But no mention of if that's with a display that supports VRR, which is still not supported on PS5 last time I checked?
5-12 fps is not slightly better, when PS5 Has 2 Tflops less than XSX. Yes PS5 doesn't support VRR yet, but to be fair maybe 5% of XSX owners has TV compatible with VRR
@@Radek494 both consoles are 99% locked 60 fps, xbix has less powerful ssd yet its faster than ps5
@@Radek494 PS5 will never get VRR 🤣 almost 2 years
@@Radek494 The way I understood Thomas' conclusion was that the difference is minor, simply because these dips where the PS5 has a performance advantage is pretty seldom. And also, the XsX uses it's TF "budget" for higher image fidelity/resolution. The reason I asked was to hear if Thomas has a VRR capable display at all, and if not, maybe that being the reason why he didn't mention it. John Linneman and Richard Ledbetter usually do mention the VRR advantage XsX still has ovver PS5, which completely negates the then performance "win" PS5 enjoys.
As for the percentage of VRR displays among XsX owners. For all I know, it might be _the_ reason people bought an XsX instead of PS5. And so the percentage might be much much higher than what you believe. Not that it really matters, as MOST people don't have neither a PS5 nor an XsX. :P
Interesting; jumping back into this to explore what’s possible 👀
Always excited for more videos from you.
If you waited this long. I suggest waiting longer. Played it on PC and loved it. Now waiting for everything to be patched before jumping in again
YES!
I've always been a huge fan ever since you made those cyberpunk videos. I hope you could come back to that bounty hunter/cowboy idea you mentioned in a poll from a year ago. 👹
Bruh you’re a go!!! I love your videos!!!!@voyagers revenge
If you restart the game i would say grab the iguana egg when doing the heist
This game looks insane on my LG C1... Cant believe the HDR Effects...
They don't seem to have mentioned any differences in Ambien occlusion between modes. It's apparent from the blue light coming off the monitor at 22:24