"Separating Art vs. the Artist" doesn't work for Harry Potter
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as a lesbian and aspiring screenwriter/filmmaker, i almost wish they would’ve just left the half-assed ‘representation’ out of the new fantastic beasts movie. trans people are an integral part of the queer community, and no amount of representation for one part of our community is worth the oppression of another part.
As a trans lesbian, thank you for saying this 💖
@@wingvilma8254 of course!! the whole queer community is in this together, we’ve got to have each other’s backs
Also, I can't believe they say it's *good representation for the LGBT community* when the T is right there?? Am I going insane??
Yes, especially since they'd said back in 2018 that they wouldn't explore this relationship in the movies. Is it an attempt to appeal to the lgb(but not the t) community or even to divide us? Like jk Rowling swears up and down she's not transphobic because she's an ally to gay people and we're supposed to believe that..
Nope, we're one community, if you don't respect some of us, you respect none of us. And it's not even good representation. Let's go support creators who respect all of us AND know what they're doing with their queer rep.
As a trans person, this actually warms my heart, thank you
If people want to buy Harry Potter stuff but also want to support the trans community they can buy art, prop replicas, pins, etc. from small businesses. There are tons of independent artists, including LGBTQ artists, that make and sell amazing HP stuff.
@@rontheron4807 I don't think anyone really thought it could cancel it out. The point is not using your dollars to support people who are pushing for those harmful legislations. Even better if you can instead use them to directly support someone who's actually from the LGBTQ+ community, because they (especially trans people) need our help.
yeah, but honestly a lot of jewish, black, asian and trans (specially transfem people, since JKR is a rampant transmisogynist) people will still feel very uncomfortable with seeing others still making, sharing or buying HP related products, be they from independent artists or not. As a nonbinary person who is very active intracommunity wise, it's just so disheartening for many in the trans community to see (mostly cis) people rave and gush over this and that about HP and their indie HP thing they bought, even if they are boycotting JKR. I know it's not their intention, but it kinda feels like that their attachment to this piece of fictional media trumps over standing up for the people who have been hurt by JKR's bigotry. And I say this as someone who did grow up with HP. If I, a nonbinary transmisogyny exempt person can drop ever mentioning HP in a positive light, you can too. It's not really as difficult as people make it out to be. Plus, in retrospect the books were littered with underlying bigotry and meh writing. There is PLENTY of fantasy/magic media for you all to consume. Just move on to that.
@@maggiedk oh yes my bad! I thought this was about supporting trans creators on top of buying official merch, stupid misread on my part I'm deleting my reply !
@@rontheron4807 ohh no worries! I get why you would say that now given that misunderstanding :) you're not stupid!
JKR has been able to enact serious harm on trans people in my country precisely because of the social capital she wields, not just her money. Obviously if someone is gonna buy HP stuff then it's infinitely preferable they do it without supporting her financially, but continuing to fuel the social phenomenon of HP by talking about it, making art, buying replicas etc still empowers her through perceived relevancy (we live in a world where "success" of any kind is seen as qualification to talk on any subject you choose), not to mention it makes a lot of marginalised people very uncomfortable. I used to be a huge Harry Potter fan, and I've moved on. I wish everyone else would.
Her saying “these buildings need to be exactly how they were in the movies” explains something that happened when I went to the theme park in Florida. We went to the wand shop part and when we got inside, it was all of us packed like sardines in this tiny room, and a woman fainted from all the heat of the Florida weather combined with all those people. In order for the paramedics to get to her, every single person in the shop had to get out because it was so small in there.
How is the parks capacity restrictions JK Rowlings fault? That's on the city of Florida.
And the fact that she want (along with 99% of all HP fans) a lore accurate theme park isn't something you have the right to complain about either.
@@Dr.MorsIcatis I can complain about whatever I like actually, it’s free speech
@@Dr.MorsIcatis Also I was literally just recalling something that happened lol, why are you so offended over a CZcams comment where I say about something I experienced? 💀
@@Dr.MorsIcatis "How are the bad design decisions JK Rowling instituted JK Rowlings fault?"
entitled much lmao
Holy crap what you said about the tour guide and the theme park makes a lot of sense. I've been to the Harry Potter theme park/Universal Studios and the whole place was extremely crowded and people were packed in the shops like sardines. I just thought it was just a busy day and proof of how many people still love Harry Potter but now that you mention it was a million times more compact/narrow than every other theme park I've ever been to.
A thing that is secondary to this whole ordeal but I still find incredibly revealing is how the instant Emma Watson so much as implied that she didn’t condone JK’s actions twitter was flooded with TERFs referring to her as an ungrateful brat and saying that she “owed Rowling her whole career”. Like oh ok I already knew your support of other cis women was extremely conditional but to throw away any semblance of being a feminist and imply a woman owes her success to anyone but herself the moment you decide you dislike her (for, mind you, being against exclusion and violence) is a very low blow
THIS
More proof that TERFs aren't feminists, they're just transphobic.
Not only they are gatekeepy, they are very exclusionary...
Wait wait wait... You're telling me there are assholes within a community?!? No way! I thought every TERF shares one hive mind and therefore will not stray and all be the same, prefect people. Now you're telling me there's assholes too? Outrageous!
-.-
@@lasura funny to find a terf trying to use the "you're just using the bad ones to make generalizations about our whole group" argument when the TERF movement operates near exclusively by weaponizing the one in a million stories that support their narrative that trans people are dangerous while blatantly ignoring that statistically they are the ones most at risk of being assaulted and are the group least likely to commit SA.
If me pointing out one occurence that reflects the general hypocrisy of the movement is dishonest to you I'll gladly provide sources on the fact that there is not a way to separate the TERF ideology from exclusionary far right beliefs that are already hurting people outside of the LGBT+ community and will in time benefit no one but the privileged at the top. My comment was not saying "there are assholes within a community therefore it is bad" my comment was pointing out how revealing it is that so many were quick to ditch the pretense of holding feminist beliefs because the group is built on a foundation of exclusionary rhetorics, not feminism, and it will always perpetuate that behaviour exactly. If you don't believe it, I'll be glad to provide larger scale examples of that behaviour from the heads of the movement.
I would totally buy an “I was radicalized by my universal studios tour guide” shirt
Same here
merch idea??
@@nyx..z absolutely
@@nyx..z I’ll see if I can make a version that won’t get me sued 💫
@@KuncanDastner holy sh¡t that would
be awesome
Another thing that bothers me is how angry Rowling seems to get whenever someone writes a fanfic or a headcanon she doesn't approve of. To me, this is the antithesis of Mister Rogers, who always encouraged children to "make up your own stories" about his Neighborhood of Make-Believe characters. But if there was ever anyone who cared more about children feeling free to be creative than about profit motive for himself, it's Fred Rogers.
It's normal as a writer, especially when she already set the fundamentals, traditions, & rules within the vast universe she has created. She creates & owns that universe. Let's say, you built a house through your hard work for years & years & years, then some strangers came into your house, moved the furnitures, changed the wall colours, & added or threw things away. How would you feel?
If you don't like it, instead of ruining that universe through a stupid fanfic that ruins & corrupts the fundametal lore of the universe, how about making your own? Mr. Roger was right. Make up your own stories instead of twisting & ruining an already-established story.
It's the same case with Fifty Shades of Grey. The novel was started off as a Twilight erotic fanfic, but the Twilight writer didn't approve it & disliked it, so the fanfic writer remade her Twilight fanfic into something new that can be separated from Twilight series. That's how Fifty Shades of Grey was made.
@@P.Whitestrake i mean if an author doesnt like fanworks then they dont have to engage. you cant and honestly shouldnt stifle fanworks, thats how many people get into art and writing in the first place.
what's particularly annoying about it for rowling is that she used to be supportive of fanfic and headcanons, but shes turned her heal on that crowd to canonise bullshit takes that are not supported in the actual work (ie. she said hermione is black but not only was she, actually acknowledged as a very pale white person)
also if you really think fanfiction, which definitionally *is not canon*, "ruins and corrupts" stories, that's, uh... that's for you to deal with. people who engage with fanfiction don't do so to supplant the original work, but as a love for the series. some fanfics are legitimately bad, but *who cares*? fanfic writers just do this for fun. many fanfics are written by teens and often serve as character, theme, lore analysis, and exploring what-ifs that would happen with those characters in different situations.
also someone writing fanfiction is not at all comparable to someone remodelling your house without permission.
btw genuinely i cant stress this enough, authors who don't like fanworks or different interpretations of their work and who get angry about something not being strictly the interpretation they wanted the reader to have either, uh, shouldn't be writers, or they shouldn't engage. it's not that hard. that's neil gaiman's approach to fanwork, and if i were to ever get a book published, it would be mine, too.
“Hogwarts is a death sentence” is an actual running joke in HP fics
Edit: And it always works
Honestly, people need to stop calling a man saying he loves another man "good queer rep." If it can easily be edited out to appease other countries, then it's not good rep. It's 2022, there's way better queer stuff than the dumb wizard boy series.
That's basically my measure of whether it's actually good representation imo. Is the representation cut out of a foreign release? Then it's just bullshit tokenism
exactly! people saying the mcu has good queer rep when we got one line in the weird self-cest loki show and the black gay immortal being who... caused hiroshima... no 😭😭 (the comics have good queer rep, the movies do not)
I half agree with the edited-out part. As a queer person I feel like Kaitie in The Mitchells Vs The Machines was the best queer rep I’ve seen so far, because it was just there, and not her entire personality or hyped up like “look!! We have a gay in our movie!!” It can still be edited out though, because there are only a few lines referring to it. Even still, the normalization of Kaitie just casually being gay and not making a big deal out of it was one of the best gay representations I’ve seen, and would like more characters like this. However I do agree in this case that the representation is really not representation at all, and just something half-heartedly added to appeal to the LGBTQ audience
I mean I guess. I agree that the movie rep was bad. But the “this representation isn’t good enough so the film is bad” arguments is so tired and stupid, a lot of creators fight so hard with execs just to get even the slightest thing into their media, and so they try to code the characters as lgbt+ (coding and baiting are not the same but people forget that), they take hat they can do. Now honestly, knowing JKR, I highly doubt she fought even remotely for that scene or anything more, but let’s not forget the writers aren’t always at fault, and the rep isn’t inherently bad because it’s not explicit.
@Well Hello There hey! I'm someone from a country that doesn't allow anything LGBTQ related. I watched it through a national streaming website (like Netflix) and I deadass had no idea she was queer...they didn't offer the original language so I just had the dub to go off of :( I'm devastated that I missed out
As a queer Jew who’s grandparents were Holocaust survivors, that movie sounds like an absolute nightmare. People saying you should go see it because “queer representation” are blatantly ignoring the impact on Jewish and Romani queer people, and are not recognizing how harmful it is to ignore that intersectionality.
Also, it's not even good queer representation. There are far better, less popular shows that have amazing gay rep that we should support instead.
Exactly gay people were victims of Holocaust as well and to just ignore that while promoting a movie that shares this aspect of this i just can't get down
thank you for including romanis in your comment, feels good to be seen
@@imnogood5016 Jewish+Romani solidarity 💙🧿
@@ava_marie_v The Owl House is really amazing for example. Lots of LGBT representation and an actual healthy wlw relationshiop
I always wanted to go to the hp themepark as a kid. It just seemed so magical, but JkR killed that dream for me. She can't even keep her storylines straight in fantastic beasts and ruined Harry's character in the CC. It's sad.
That series is what helped shape me into a person. Yeah, it's flawed in many ways, but there were some amazing things to learn from the series and her characters. It is very conflicting to try to seperate yourself from that. I go between "she is a biggot who is attacking part of my community" to "how do I seperate myself completely from a book that helped me cope with my screwed up childhood?"
I can easily not buy her merchandise or support her new "creations," but I can't just forget the characters that I grew to love. I'll read fanfiction from time to time (believe it or not, there are some good ones. Some are even better than her books), but jk will not get another dime from me.
you're being warped into hating something you love because you've been convinced the person who created it is evil and wants to hurt people you care about. that's extremely sad because it's not reality. you could go to the wizarding world theme park and have the best time of your life but you're staying cooped up and angry online instead. that's the real tragedy.
also honestly dumbledore saying “I loved you” or stuff like that to grindelwald can be read in a platonic way ?? if the representation we are getting is the same as the one we were getting in the 50s (subtext, ambiguous lines) I don’t want that
Guess Obi-Wan is gay now.
"You were my brother Anakin. I loved you!"
Exactly!! “I love you” can be said to pets, family, very very close friends, partners, basically anyone with a deep emotional connection. Dumbledore saying that doesn’t mean shit.
Damn that's tough. Who do queer communities even have for good representation then, I would recommend some niche anime genres but it tends to be distateful to other Americans who weren't born abroad in Japan, like I was. Either because of the Loli porn issue with its legality and popularity in Japan, or maybe rampant sexualization and objectification of women, zero social justice, extreme bias against dark skin and in favor of pale beauty standards, etc. Still, representation is very strong in these niche genres, because free speech laws are very complete and all encompassing. Although you still can't go on TV at a reasonable hour if you confirm anything so it's still rarer than it probably should be
Yet people keep making Harry and Malfoy gay for each other, even tho those 2 hate each other and never displayed any romantic feelings towards each other. Funny, how little people apparently need to see characters as gay. Yet here you are claiming saying "I loved you" to another person one is not related to, and with that emotion and tenderness in their eyes, isn't enough for people to realize those 2 guys were in love? Ha! You're funny.
@@Oozaru85 Literally trying to be offended by grasping at straws, "it COULD be platonic so fuck jk for not making it even more obvious!" I also thought it was pretty obvious in the 7th book too
I can’t look past Rowling’s behaviour. I find it easier to come to terms with problems with dead authors like Tolkien because I can put it in historical context and decide whether or not I can live with it. But Rowling is alive. Rowling has been offered so many opportunities to reflect and grow, and she’s only doubled down on her hatred of marginalised people. It makes me feel really sad to be honest. Those stories are just ruined for me, and I’ve accepted that I don’t want that franchise to be a part of my life going forward.
oh did tolkien do anything shitty?? i havent heard of this
@@trbotunnel tolkien was a notorious anti semite and misogynist. Very strange to say you can excuse it in “historical context” when those opinions weren’t reasonable even during his time.
@@Bulhbluhbuy I don't know the details of Tolkien's views, but misogyny and anti semitism were suuuuper common for a dude growing up in the 10s and 20s
@@SuperNuclearUnicorn I'm not an expert on Tolkein, but I don't think he was exactly an anti-semite or misogynist. I'm sure he wasn't mindful to Jewish people, but I don't know if he hated them or anything. And I feel that any misogyny he showed was very casual and of the times, less hateful (not that it's completely excusable). I admit he didn't write many roles for women in his books, but that could be chalked up to him not being confident in writing about someone he didn't have expert knowledge on (though who truly knows).
@charlotte Tolkien was pretty damn enlightened for his time. You'd be better off referencing someone like HP Lovecraft, given his horror stories were literally Allergories for cultures intermingling. I've never understood going after old dead people for slightly off quotes we've only heard about through rumours. When there's more blatant insanity to plunder. If we're going to break taboo and speak ill of the dead we might as well start with the extreme examples.
Fun fact: at one point Rowling at least ok’d an article on pottermore discussing the pros and cons of (elf) slavery. It came to the conclusion that it was more or less okay and Hermione was being disrespectful to house elves for wanting to abolish slavery
It amazed me (before J K was scrutinized further) how many people online agreed with this. I stopped being that into Harry Potter years ago but when I actually sought out forums and stuff, like 90 % of people touching on the subject were criticizing Hermione and either saying the House Elves should stay enslaved or that they should free themselves if they wanted it. I’ve read so SO many comments from people straight up defending slavery and not thinking twice about it. THAT’S the effect that a bigoted author can have.
@@callist1990 In folklore house elves aren’t slaves bound to an owner, they’re just beings who pick a household to reside in, and if they’re the type that help out with chores, they choose a nice family who wouldn’t mistreat them, and with the Scottish house elves (brownies) they may turn into a boggart if mistreated and eat the wood that makes up the house. While brownies do have a bit of lore that they’d leave the house forever if given clothes, there’s doesn’t seem to be anything that says it’s them being freed from being owned.
I’ve heard the whole house elf slavery thing was Joanne justifying why Dobby was restricted in his ability to keep Harry safe, but if Joanne really wanted Dobby to be a slave owned by the Malfoy’s and bound by orders, she could have made it so some wizarding families trick house elves into being slaves and forced to obey orders. Perhaps it could be legal due to the power those families hold, yet it could be generally regarded as taboo or the main characters at the very least don’t have to endorse it. Maybe the Weasley household could have had a house elf who just chooses to be at the Weasley household to further show that the Weasleys are good hearted people who don’t need to trick a house elf into working for them. While the Weasleys wouldn’t be able to afford to pay a house elf, perhaps the house elf insists on doing chores anyway in exchange for food and board though the Weasleys treat this house elf as part of the family. Also with the Hogwarts house elves they could all be actually employed. I’m getting a bit carried away with the possibilities of house elves that aren’t a slave species
@@MAndSquared Omfg. That's brilliant. I love this premise so much. Please tell me your write.
@@WhistleAndSnap Sorry to disappoint but I don't. The last time I did any creative writing was for a GCSE English exam nearly five years ago
@@WhistleAndSnap Thank you for the compliment though
The goblins aren’t teaming up with Death Eaters in the game because Death Eaters don’t exist yet. Voldemort hasn’t even been born yet. The game takes place in the 1880s, Voldemort isn’t born until 1926. Dumblebore would actually start his schooling at Hogwarts two years after your character arrives
A small detail, but I'm glad you pointed it out.
How cares? Sound like you are defending a bigot.
And btw. Goblins were described in fantasy always the same, pointy ears smaller posture, long pointy noses, usually negative characters.
@@Orange_Swirl "small " indeed
@@kamilstuchlik9529 it's almost as if goblins as a whole started out as an antisemitic trope
"This hairless little man will call you master" is definitely a selling point to someone out there
You're correct. I wish you weren't, but you're correct.
I am glad JK Rowling never made a Marauders prequel, which is what everyone *actually* wanted. She would have done something TERRIBLE, she can't be trusted with her own IP anymore.
I can just imagine the queerbaiting she'd get out of Sirius and Remus if FBs and Cursed Child are any indicator *shudder*
I'm just happy that the entirety of the movie cast has rejected her and her horrible ideologies while they truly support the fans
I hope the Harry Potter books will go into the public domain in my lifetime so I can see what the hundreds of talented fans can do with the Wizarding World. I would love to see a Marauders movies by fans, but as long as Joanne owns the copyright this sadly isn't going to happen
You’ve unlocked a new fear for me
@@5am_nightmares i honestly want to see a new version of the harry potter series. I loved the original movies but i want to see how new directors, actors, animators, etc handle it and if anytjing newly magical can be loved
Honestly, if you're a Harry potter fan, just read fanfiction at this point. You won't be financially supporting jk in any way, a lot of them are amazingly written, I've read at least 5 good marauders era fics that were likely better than anything jk could have come up with. There's no shame in it, there are thousands out there, so there definitely is at least one that will fit your taste.
Absolutely agreed. "If you support the LGBTQ+ community, then you should support every movie containing LGBTQ+ characters" is every bit as silly an argument as "If you're a feminist, you should support Phyllis Schlafly".
“if you’re a woman you should support margaret thatcher”
@@cyrc9837 girl power lol
If People were mature, they could vote with their Wallets,
yes, absolutely ,ses, but that's not Reality.
People forget they were boycotting things 5 minutes after.
Yeah, and what if the LGBTQ+ character isn't a good person? I don't think that's someone I'd support unless the character is meant to be a villain then I guess I might but it would depend on the character.
Well I’m going to watch the new movie and buy the game because I like the Harry Potter universe and I like wizard battles and that plot argument sounds funny as heck.
Didn't lord voldemort create the death eaters ? So how are the goblins teaming up with them back in the 19. century?
The Jewish connotations used for villains dates waay back in history and has become a staple in the fantasy genre, which doesn’t make it any less harmful, but I don’t think jkr did it with malicious intent.
I also don’t think the death eaters were necessarily modeled after nazis. Of course the idea of blood purity is just the magical counterpart of the idea of racial superiority and eugenics and such, that is obvious. But the nazis weren’t the only one that took this idea to practice. The British applied this idea to oppress black people, Americans did this with Asian people, etc.
Litterly every society has had ideas of purity. Black communities still have groups with ideas of that Asian countries ect ect
Yeah, JK Rowling being a transphobe is enough of an argument to make the point in the video.
The stuff about goblins is a reach to me. In the Hogwarts Legacy game, the twist will probably be that you end up siding with the goblins ... like Jon Snow did with the Wildlings in Game Of Thrones. Critiquing a story before you've experienced it generally isn't a great idea.
The way harry potter fans will bend over backwards to defend a mediocre book series
@@yeetthatmolotovHaha I am a major Harry Potter fan, you caught me on that one. I think the books are great (not perfect, I could point out many flaws if I wanted to) but I can understand people not liking it. That said, I’m not a fan of J.K. Rowling and don’t agree with her transphobic statements.
I’m curious as to what made you think I’m “bending over backwards”? In what ways could my argument in my original comment be flawed?
When I was a kid, I remember the fat phobia in the books specifically bothering me. I was being bullied for my weight every day, something I wasn't able to control. And here was this insanely popular book series where the first chapter is filled with the villains just being the classic fat stereotype. J.K Rowling's way of separating villains from the heroes was describing the villains as being conventionally unattractive.
absolutely!!!! that drives me crazy
The fact that villans are specifically marked by disfigurement is super ableist, too.
@@foxxxyg Absolutely, so ridiculous! I'm so happy this is all finally getting criticized.
Omg yes! Most things flew right over my head, but this i definitely always noticed. I didn’t fully understand that it was wrong or why it was so, but it always felt off for me, like very bothersome. The “fat lady” thing always felt just so unnecessary. “Blowing up aunt marge” in particular has aged really badly, and that’s supposed to be funny!!
While I completely agree that Rowling’s books paint fat people in a negative light (especially Dudley Dursley), I would definitely contest that Rowling separated hero’s and villains based on if they were attractive. Arguably the most attractive male character described in the entire series was the main antagonist (Tom Riddle), and Bellatrix, Narcissa and even Grindelwald were all described as good looking. Plus, most of the heroes were depicted as nerdy or conventionally unattractive. In the books, Harry, Ron and Hermione are all average looking. Hermione is described as being pretty when she puts effort into her appearance, but for the most part they’re not particularly attractive.
Another thing about HP is that its full of stereotypes about Jews and Asians and all sorts of stuff like that
So its even harder to separate art from the artist when the art is also soaked in hatred
precisely. that's what I thought this video was gonna be about honestly, it was such a big thing for me when rereading the books past the age of, like, 10
I don't think stereotypes = hatred, necessarily. She just made the obvious choices for the characters in order to create something that people would instantly recognize. "oh of course Cho is intelligent, she's Asian". It's bad, but I don't think she hates asian people, she just doesn't know or care about them
@@erikperhs_ stereotypes are still harmful, and the Jewish stereotypes she used were straight up antisemitic.
@@-topic9506 Harry Potter is successful in the whole world. 90% of these countries didn't even understand the Jewish stereotypes. It didn't affect almost anyone, we were all kids.
@@erikperhs_ does that excuse anything? she still did it, it still hurt people. as a Jewish kid I was still so hurt reading those things knowing full well it was about me. that's my issue.
So a few things. 1. The game is not giving you a houseelf it just said a house elf will befriend and help you. It didn't imply ownership. 2. The death eaters do not exist before Voldemort who created them. They're just dark wizards. 3. This game studio is completely separated from J.K. Rowling and while she might receive royalties for the use of name, she is in no way involved in the creative process.
I was think the same thing
Yeah I mean I was already on board with the game and was planning on getting my girlfriend and myself our own copy so we can play side b side. And then they announced that JKR has no authority on the game, I appreciated it even more. And yet here people are still getting angry about it.
I’m still buying the game. Do they honestly think we’re just going to play it in secret? Christ almighty with the cherry-picking 🤦
@@darkwaffle69 she's also already a billionaire lol
My “don’t have much respect for JKR anymore” (before she outed herself as a bigot online) was in a college publishing course. My professor for our editing class brought up how JKR allegedly nerfed having an editor work on her books after Prisoner of Azkaban. And you can tell by the massive jump in page count between book 3 and 4. Her thinking that her work was too perfect for editorial oversight left me quite sceptical on her as a person. I have encountered these types of authors in my career and they’re generally insufferable.
I mentioned this on another video, but it is true that boycotting HP things won’t really hurt JKR financially. She lives in a hacking castle, she’s fine. But continuing to consume her works tells businesses and corporations to keep publishing her, keep her in the movie scene, keep her relevant as a cultural icon regardless of her harmful views. She will never have to confront her stance if businesses still consider her valuable. I cannot tell people how to approach the media she creates, but this cannot be ignored either.
She thinks she's the best writer. Not surprised. Her ego knows no bounds.
I feel EXACTLY THE SAME about Baby Driver - it sucks so much. It is a gem of a film and it has been completely ruined for me.
I'm a bit of out the loop - what's up with Ansel Elgort, what did he do?
@@flip148 there’s many allegations of sexual assault against him. he’s gross and it’s sad that there isn’t more attention put on what women are saying about hom
@@flip148 and it isn’t just women but underage girls. He’s a creep
He dated a girl when she was under 18. She came forward and he said it was very much consensual. That's basically the jist of it. I'm shocked that he's just casually being cast in big movies like West Side Story.
@@hadleylauren5969 Wait WHAT?! I Though there was only one creep on the cast(that being Kevin Spacey) not 2!
Fully believe the universal tour guide. According to reputable Disney source and fake spider expert Jenny Nicholson, she wouldn't work with Disney because Disney told her her train wasn't guest efficient.
Sure Joanne let's not listen to the corporation that's spent millions on researching park efficiency.
Rowling's probably regretting that now, since Disney also hates LGBTQ+ people as much as she does.
amsayy Oops... you obvs don't know about Walt's antisemitism sweetie. Maybe educate yourself..........
@@ticketyboo2456 talking about anti-semitism, why are the bank goblins in her books described as the worst caricatures of jewish people?
@@ticketyboo2456 actually there’s no evidence that he was antisemite
I highly recommend Jenny's scathing review of the second "Fantastic Beasts" film (on her CZcams channel) -- My favorite part is where she says something like, "So we're getting another Wizard version of Hitler because that seems to be the only kind of villain JKR knows how to write." She also makes a similar point to Kuncan about how Dumbledore &co. appear to be out to stop Grindelwald from preventing the atrocities of WWII.
Wow that bit about the theme park explains a lot! No wonder she doesn’t like hp fanfic and wouldn’t let Stephen Fry use an alternative for “pocketed” in the audiobook. I think it’s time to read some more fanfic…
Highest pre order sales of the year let's fucking gooooo
When I was fourteen I was very sick and my mum decided to take me and my brother to America to see the Harry Potter section of the universal studios. I was in a wheelchair I had no way of walking without it at the time, I couldn’t move around almost any of the shops in the Harry Potter world. In her rigid way of wanting everything to be small like the movie I couldn’t enjoy my time at the park.
christ that is so sad and awful
Inaccessibility sucks, and wtf for insisting on such an excluding design 🤦🏽♀️how self centred
this sounds horrible and i’m so sorry for you, just standing in the store it’s crowded and cramped i can’t imagine being in a wheelchair unable to move in there- let alone get in there. Cant believe such a large inaccessibility issue got overlooked
I’m so sorry you had that experience. Totally unacceptable. But I would direct your complaints toward Universal. I would be shocked if Rowling herself actually designed a theme park. She probably consulted, just as she did on the movies. But she did not write the books way back in the day with ANY idea that they would ever be turned into movies, let alone theme parks.
@@keldalaney She pushed really hard to make the shops small to be as accurate to the books and movies as possible, ignoring any logistical issues that would cause. This insistence was part of the reason why her negotiations with Disney broke down. She did not directly design it, but she was certainly responsible for the design decisions and priorities that caused that.
Petition to consider Starkid the main source of our Harry Potter content
it's Harry freakin Potter!
AGREED 1000% AGREED
I already do
Yasss!!!
Wait, are you saying that there are others??
When I worked Halloween Horror Nights in Universal Studios FL, I remember the managers and creative team talking about dealing with JK. No matter what their ideas and compromises, she refused to allow Harry Potter World to be involved in the Horror Nights. The rides were closed, no Knockturn Alley or Death Eater-themed houses, nothing. It hurt me to think of all the wasted possibilities.
Not saying you are wrong but Harry Potter world was open on Horror Nights, at least at Hollywood. What year did this happen?
I came across your SNL video while I was half asleep one night and now I’m hooked onto your commentary. Your Cody Ko video was very interesting for since I’m a fan of TMG. subscribed!
I always felt the same that in this particular case with the author being alive, active in the fandom, still publishing content and profiting from it it’s just impossible to ignore her Terf antics
Agreed. I’m an enby, and I personally think it’s ethical to consume her content secondhand if it will not profit her. Like, I think it’s perfectly ethical to pirate her films, buy the HP books from used bookstores, read HP fanfic, etc.
@@olhydra why would you want to consume media lined with bigotry at its very core
@@tayzers69 the same reason we don't disown our grandma's cause they're a little racist? Because we grew up with them and love them, even when they don't necessarily deserve that love.
@@tayzers69 I think it's bc ppl read them as kids so some/all of that bigotry went right over their heads. Even knowing that now, it can still hold a soft spot in that person's heart, so they still want to engage in that world.
@@olhydra also, there are some fans that produce handmade things of HP that because they have such small productions go unnoticed by JK Rowling and Warner so by buying handmade stuff you're just paying and supporting the person making the thing, not JK Rowling. And there are some really awesome people that are not biggots that do this kind of handmade stuff.
Pretty unrelated, but I did not know about the situation with Ansel Elgort. Baby Driver is also one of my favorite films, and it hurts to hear about what he did
Yeah. I could power through Kevin Spacey, because the character he played was a pretty bad guy who did pretty bad things, and got run over with a car.
But it’s a little different when the shitty guy plays the protagonist whose happiness you’re meant to root for.
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick I always found it distracting that his character was called Baby and he started dating a woman who worked in the same diner and wore the same uniform as his mom. I know that's not the criticism of the actor, but the character had some Next Level mommy issues and if I was Debora I would RUN.
And adding to this thread Jamie Fox (Batz) was also accused of sexual assault in the early 2000s :/
I felt the same when I watched West Side Story. It's such a gorgeous movie but he prevented me from truly enjoying it. Every time he came onscreen I was reminded of his actions and it ruined what would have been an otherwise amazing movie experience.
What did he do? I honestly don't think I have any idea who that guy is, lol
As a Jewish trans person, genuinely thank you for making this video. I used to LOVE Harry Potter as a kid. And not normal love, it was my entire personality, everything I thought of, dreamed about. I moved on, of course. But it's still crushing to see this series I held so tight really be so bigoted. People told me time and time again to "Separate the art from the artist" and time and time again I always felt more sad. I'm sick and tired of hearing it. Seperating the art from the artist may 'work' for the cisgender hetoresexual non-jewish white people, but for some including myself, it will always hurt. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
I’m also Jewish and trans and I get this wholeheartedly, I used to have a intense special interest in Harry Potter and now I can even look at the books without feeling physically sick. I absolutely get how frustrating it is hearing people say to just separate the Art from the artist when the work itself is so full of hate, especially when that hate is directed towards our communities and selves.
I've never read a transohobic comment from JK Rowling. I think your hive mind woke community has just convinced you that they have all the right ideas and anything that strays from that even a very small amount is "hateful" and "transohobic". It's pretty cult like. What Jewish stereo types are the house elves showing? Everyone is talking about it but nobody actually says what they stereotypes are. Also if you're Jewish wouldn't you have noticed way back when you read the books?
I think this is such a half-baked argument. With this thinking, we have to sit in a dark, silent room and consume nothing.
Not really because JKR is ACTIVELY using her platform to move political policy, in order to hurt trans people. She's not just a bigot in her own head, sitting inside her mansion.
i mean, it's not like he's saying that that's what we should do
he's just saying it's something we could do and consider doing. he even said that the answer isn't as straightforward as "yes or no"
Exactly! Work is created by humans and humans are inherently flawed. Whether we like to admit it or not, we are not perfect people. We make mistakes, do bad things, and sometimes do things we know are wrong for personal gain. This is worse for some people, but it's undeniable that there are parts deep down inside of us or long ago in our past that are disgusting and horrible things that anyone with any morality would shudder the thought. For some of us, we learn and grow. That's not the case for everyone, and some people do things many consider unforgivable, but that is a part of living in world with free will. We can't destroy entire monoliths of culture because the man or woman behind it was a horrible person. If we did that, we wouldn't have any pieces of work at all.
The fact that we as a society can't acknowledge that it's worth keeping certain pieces of art around, in spite of, or even to the benefit of, horrible people, scares me. Art is how we know half of what we know about history. We would live in disgusting ignorance of our history if we dismissed everything created by a bad or even reprehensible human. The people may not realize this, but they're advocating for a Fahrenheit 451 future, in which we fear books not for what they may contain, but for who may have created them.
I'm so glad you mentioned the goblins being antisemitic! I feel like some people just brush over it and act like the problems started with JK's transphobia. It's understandable if you didn't notice the antisemitism or it didn't fully sink in how poorly handled the elves were when you were a kid, but when you get older, it's important to recognize the problems here. Man, I loved this series, but you have to admit that it was sort of rotten from the start. Separating the art from the artist is all well and good, but what do you do when the art itself has the same rot in it? The problem isn't just JK's transphobia, but a lot of the stuff she put in her books, how the world works. Obviously, as a nonbinary person, I'm not jazzed about the transphobia, but the rot, the rot has been in the books all along, and we shouldn't ignore the antisemitism and the elves. It sucks, because I always loved Nevile, and Harry, and Luna. I love Luna especially, as an autistic person, when I was a kid, I felt glad to have someone who was just as bizarre as me, and yet was still a part of the group. Luna was so important to me. But she's from a series that is rotten. So what should I do with that? I'm not going to consume any new official works, because I don't want to give JK money. Money that she will only use to hurt me. But I don't know... if it's as easy as others say to let go. When I was young, before Mabel, and Star Butterfly, Luna was the only character I had that was weird like me. And that was important to me. But... The art from the start was tainted. I didn't notice when I was a kid, but so much in Harry Potter is tainted with harrowing ideology. And I can't support it, even if a part of me will always love parts of it.
Support fan-created things. There are a lot of good fanfics that "fix" the rotten parts of JK's world, even if you have to dig a little to find one that is well-written.
This comment hit so close to home. I've tried filling my Luna-shaped hole with Entrapta from She-Ra, it doesn't fit quite the same but it's closer than any other fiction I've absorbed. Hope we can find our perfect fictionalized world one day ♡
“Separating the art from the artist is all well and good, but what do you do when the art itself has the same rot in it”
Very well said, and straight at the heart of the matter 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
As someone who never got into harry potter, I can't imagine the difficulty in trying not to be hard on yourself for internalizing media made by someone causing active harm. It seems even harder considering that while fan content is definitely a better option, even participating in the culture could convince someone new to start the series and give Rowling money. It's a difficult situation, but at the very least she seems to be making disliking new content pretty easy. About the game, I saw someone say that yeah, they would normally think about pirating to keep her from getting money but no matter where the money goes, why would they want to play the antisemitic blood libel game?
To me, it’s ok if it’s not supporting jk Rowling. My mom bought all the books and dvds years ago, and that doesn’t give a penny to jk to reread or rewatch them. I think that things like renting a dvd or getting the books second hand or from a library Is a good solution if you want to consume the franchise. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with enjoying the series as long as you keep in mind the author is trash
I think the problem with JK Rowling is like, she doesn’t need money. She exists off of cultural capital at this point and that makes separating the artist much harder.
"Boycotts are famous for working." Man, I wish. Not recently. Boycotts work when there's accountability and the boycotters have little left to lose. Today, when your participation is only checked via socials and outrage has become a marketable drug, people burn out on all these impassioned moralisms quickly. Most boycotts these days are founded upon highly-sensitive, if well-intentioned, principles. Back in the day, boycotts were often conducted by those whose lives were endangered or whose ways of life were effectively crushed by legislation. You'll maintain fervor when your options are segregation or death: these are both unthinkable. You'll lose steam within a week if your options are "Keurig" or "no keurig." It's estimated that around 80% of the people who threw their keurig machine out during the boycott bought another one eventually. Didn't even switch to a competitor.
hey, love the video, am absolutely having my attention drawn by the cool wood thing on your desk. the thing holding your laptop with shelves above and under. what is it? what is it called?
I don’t understand people that are pushing others to watch the movie for the “representation” there’s a big difference between good LGBT representation and lazy pandering to audiences that they don’t really understand and clearly don’t respect.
Also, you can’t have LGBT without the T and it’s stupid of people to think we’ll turn a blind eye at something that’s sooo obviously wrong just because another group is getting some screen time. Our community is like a family, come for one and you come for us all.
Much love to my trans babes, I’m sorry you have to deal with so much idiotic behaviour 💜
(I mean as a bisexual person I have seen the community on numerous occasions not stand for all, just putting that out there.) No one is being cancelled for biphobia and I feel like that points out a lot of hypocrisy and phoniness.
@@llyn5759 that's true (bi nonbinary here) but most people do try to fight against exclusion, a lot of lesbian terfs are extremely biphobic too because they for some reason think being with men taints someone
That's what I was thinking. You can't say there is LGBTQ+ representation, let alone good LGBTQ+ representation when the said representation is given by someone transphobic. Good representation doesn't have to include all queer people but any media that is against any group of queer people is not good representation.
I hope what I'm trying to say is understandable.
I think T is so wildly different from LGB. LGB are just sexualities, and they imply a binary (2 genders). T implies non-binary and therefore renders LGB is totally irrelevant. Because if gender is a spectrum, then so are sexualities. Also, LGB want equal rights, to be indifferent from Cis. T is asking the whole world to comply to their demands. Correct me if I'm wrong...
@@italkcrab1747 Alright lemme explain.
No, LGB doesn't imply a gender binary. LGB works perfectly within a spectrum. Gay would mean a man attracted to one side of the spectrum (men) Lesbian is women attracted to the woman side of the spectrum. Bisexuality is loving both ends, and pansexuals love the entire spectrum with no inbetweens.
Trans people just want to identify as one part of the spectrum. It also doesnt imply binary.
About wanting the whole world to comply with their demands... Yeah, so are LGB. Everyone here wants worldwide equal rights, so we all demand them. LGB and T both demand the world to comply with equal rights.
They all just fighting for rights
About Baby Driver: If you love the editing and camera work in the movie but can’t support the actors, check out more of Edgar Wright’s stuff! ‘Shaun of the Dead’ and ‘Hot Fuzz’ are both amazing movies and absolutely iconic staples of British culture. I love Hot Fuzz in particular, it’s so funny.
oh those movies are amazing, I can’t recommend them enough!
The Cornetto Trilogy is brilliant. I always go back to them every year! 🥰
Watch hot fuzz. For the greater good.
yes!!!! the cornetto trilogy is awesome!!
Or the now classic, Scott Pilgrim vs the world
honestly at this point, i haven't really consumed any official hp works for years outside watching the movies in the background occasionally. long before her horrendousness came out and long before i understood all the other harmful shit she wrote into the books, i was already making the world into my own version out of an amalgamation of more inclusive fanfic and fanart, selectively choosing the bits of original story that i like, and my own headcanons. in my version, everyone's queer and people actually listened when Hermione said "hey maybe we shouldn't have actual slavery"! but i think that's why i didn't have much trouble separating her from the universe when i found out she's vying for my life to be even harder, bc i hadn't even thought about her having control over the universe for an age. the comfort i get now from the wizarding world is almost entirely my own headcanons, and the original material just provides the nostalgia, setting, characters, basic plot, laws of magic, and stuff. i also get joy out of knowing that jkr would blow a gasket if she knew how Hermione was my trans awakening lmao
There is absolutely nothing to ever say that Goblins and Jews are the same. The fact that you’ve chosen to make that a thing is your own issue
rather than interacting with anything that jkr has made, i prefer to just interact with the community. The fandom is generally pretty nice and there are so many fan creations that i honestly prefer over her work. So, I'm not supporting her or her work and rather i'm able to interact with some truly amazing people :]
Same, me too.
I feel like i almost don‘t know canon anymore
@@saskiakraft literally same-
@@saskiakraft So true
@@CJCroen1393 what does it help to say HP was never good anyway? That‘s not going to change that I and many other people in this comment section loved it a lot and felt at home with the stories. And it‘s also possible (independently of death of the author etc. ) to grow up and acknowledge issues like antisemitism, racism and fatphobia within media, without having to pretend that I never actually liked it in the first place.
If anyone is wanting to watch some positive queer representation in media I’d recommend “Our Flag Means Death”. It has many gay characters and a non binary main character who’s badass!
YES ITS SO GOOD!!!!!
thank you so much for the recommendation!
It has three queer canonical (on screen kiss!!!) couples and all characters are amazingly developed with depth and not to mention it’s a funky pirate show with amazing aesthetics
(Also Taika Waititi is in it if any of y’all are fans)
Which one is non binary?
@@uh8300 Taika is amazing...
Commission an artist you like to make hp inspired decoration rather than buying official hp merch
Of course it is possible to separate the art from the artist. The question is absurd.
I'm firmly in the camp that "death of the author" literally cannot apply to authors still alive and benefitting from their IP. I think a good example to add to your examples is H. P. Lovecraft. The man was a bigot, racist, and sexist. He wasn't a good person and, honestly, his stories kind of reflect that. However, not only is he a major foundation to the cosmic horror genre, he's also a big reason as to why it's become a part of the mainstream and is getting a resurgance in popularity. However, death of the author applies here. He's fucking dead. He didn't copyright his works properly, and there's no estate benefitting from it. Most, if not all, of his stories are available online and for free. You can read them all without benefitting the author. In addition, because of the "indescribable" narrative, you can repurpose the ideas to go away from his bigoted thoughts. Take Victor LaVelle's "The Ballad of Black Tom". It's a reimagining of one of Lovecraft's racist stories. THIS is what death of the author is. For authors that are still actually alive, you can't apply death of the author because they will still benefit.
Very well said.
I think it depends, when it comes to authors that are still alive. A lot of people have said or written some... questionable stuff, but not all of them are actively hurting people, not like Rowling. It’s really a case by case situation
I consume most of my lovecraftian content through Terraria
No, "death of the author" means after the art piece is finished and released to the public, the author has no control over it's interpretations. I'm not saying they can't say about it anything, but that it's doesn't matter, at that point their interpretation doesn't worth more than anyone else's.
This is just literally not what "death or the author" means. It's a codified philosophy.
J.K. :"Congrats you win a house elf!!!"
Everyone :"No."
"They're fighting to have rights and overcome the status quo"
Oh yeah, the classic "HOW DARE YOU WANT TO CHANGE SOCIETY FOR THE BETTER" type of villain.
I mean, that's JKs go to
I think that criticism of this type of villain is a gross oversimplification of the actual problems these types of villains (Well-Intentioned Extremist) cause.
A good work will acknowledge that the intention is good, but will criticize the meanswith which they use to accomplish or maintain said goal, especially if it resorts to harming or downright killing many people, including innocents. Related are the consequences that accomplishing said goal causes. If the game is written well (which admittedly none of us have any idea that it will be), it will acknowledge the goblin's good intentions, but also show them engaging in morally dubious actions as a result of attempting to reach said goal, or otherwise causing terrible, unintended consequences as a result.
It was also criticize them for doing this.
If the game is written particularly well, the player could end up fighting with the goblins against both the Death Eaters and the status quo (albeit in a different, healthier way) or alternatively the player could show the goblins how to fight for their rights in a way that doesn't cause significant damage to innocents.
@@Orange_Swirl That's quite interesting. Maybe you could have the player, or some other main character advocate for a more peaceful way for goblins to achieve their goal.
Like sure, the player may be against the goblin's extremist actions, but that doesn't necessarely mean he has to be against the goblins desire for freedom or whatever it is they're fighting for. Maybe you could even give the player or some other main character an arc where, while he still disagrees with the goblin's actions, he comes to understand and sympathize with their plight and maybe can then advocate for a better solution.
Does that make sense? That's at least what came up in my head.
personally i think it should be a case by case basis because (in this case) the bad side of the creator is shown in the art
i agree so much with this video! this was a topic in one of my college classes this past week- “can we seperate art from the artist?”. most of our discussion focused on artists (in a general term; filmmakers, painters, anyone who makes “art”) who have done terrible things like sa and horrible racist acts n stuff, but i brought up JK Rowling because as a transmasc person i am personally impacted by jowling kowling rowling’s ideologies an transphobia which has been awfully impactful in the last few years. i think that the “answer” to the question of “can you separate art from the artist”, if you can call it an answer, is to counter with “how much does the artist profit?”. and not just in term of a financial profit, but a social and cultural profit as well.
i don’t think dr seuss is going to profit off someone buying the cat in the hat in 2022-- and at least his descendants an estate have come out about the xenophobia and racism in seuss’ work and some of it isn't for sale anymore. THEY are making changes.. but when it comes to someone like JK Rowling, she profits a LOT off of interaction with harry potter, even if you buy fanmade perch and read fanfiction, i think she still profits culturally and socially. obviously i’m not demanding people to cut out harry potter completely. but. i think that encouraging the enjoyment of other stories that center a more diverse life (written by LGBTQ, BIPOC people) is a much better use of our time. we should spend all the energy we’re using to argue about jk rowling into uplifting stories and creators instead.
...also percy jackson > harry potter
PERCY JACKSON IS AMAZING SO EXCITED FOR THE SHOW VERSION
That’s a really good take on this. I‘ve always struggled with the concept of the “Death of the Author” and found it difficult to separate text and author from one another because it just isn’t rooted in reality. In her case, it’s even harder to do so because she is so involved and she heavily profits off of her works.
Hell yeah to that last point. Rick Riordan was writing cannon queer characters before it was mainstream to do so. He had characters that were POC and not stereotypes. (BTW, what part of Rowling thought "Cho Chang" was an acceptable name???) He wrote nuerodivergent characters, and I'm pretty sure there are disabled characters too (don't remember though.) Rick is great.
@@ahumanpersonpresumaly9970 parvati and padma patil make me upset everytime think of their names and outfits in the movies pls-
@@itsanu1420 THEY'RE MAKING A TV SHOW
re: the theme park thing, i recall reading in a universal studios tour guide that jkr was so insistent that the harry potter portions of the park be movie accurate that she actually refused to add disability accommodations to the buildings. like, hagrid's hut? it only shows up as set dressing next to one of the roller coasters, but it was originally planned to be a walk-through attraction like some of the shops. but hagrid's hut has stairs in the movie, so they'd have to change it to or add a ramp so that it could comply with the ada. and apparently jkr hated this so much that they had to completely nix the idea of a walk-through hagrid's hut altogether. the book i was reading passed this off as a "quirky author" moment so i didn't think much of it at the time, but your video reminded me of it and in hindsight that's... incredibly fucked up, but sadly not at all surprising.
It's kinda the same with her insistence that all actors on the Harry Potter set had to be british. That has always rubbed me the wrong way and gave me wierd nationalist vibes. But everyone else seems to think it's just a cute quirk of the author. So I just thought I needed to check my own envy and jealousy, beause I am not british and therefore would have never been able to participate. Not that there was a snowflakes chance in hell of that happening anyway. So I didn't think to much of it. But the more I learn about JK's political views the more I'm wondering whether my first thoughts where really that far of. Just to be clear though I am not accusing her of holding a particular political stance. She probably just had a bit to much conservative cool aid.
It's really mind boggeling how someone so bigoted could create something that would gain such an open minded, diverse and kind harted fandom.
@@melinnamba Richard Harris was Irish. Brendan and Domnhall Gleeson are Irish. Clemence Poesy is French. Evanna Lynch is Irish. Verne Troyer was American. You are deluded. What a silly thing to be upset about. Again, grasping at straws.
@@mitzloo1933 I am not deluded. If you are right, than I am misinformed. I did not check every actors nationality. Rowling's wish for all actors to be british is often the reason given why certain actors were not cast for the Harry Potter movies. So either people have been spreading misinformation, or it turned out that it was not sustainable to restrict the casting like this. Either way, if it's true that Rowling made the request, it is not a silly thing to get upset about. Discriminating against people because of their nationality is bad.
If it's just a rumor, than there are plenty of reasons - more solid than straws - left to have a bad opinion of her.
@@mitzloo1933 if you watch the behind the scenes it she does say that, and people from northern ireland are british. and Clemence Poesy was playing a french girl
@@melinnamba Rowling herself said that Evanna Lynch (Irish) was "perfect" for Luna, so.
I used to absolutely love the Harry Potter franchise: I think I’ve read the books about 7 times each. I’ve been to the studios. I bought the merch. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1 was the first movie that I went to watch in the cinema by myself. (I even got the special limited edition 3D glasses). When I was younger, JKR was my role model and I looked up to her and wanted to be like her. I even started reading it to my niece to introduce her to the joys of reading (tho I have since stopped because I don’t want to engage with it anymore), etc etc.
But when I try to read it now, its like the magic is gone from the world. It doesn’t feel as alive as it used to. It feels dull and grey. And, worse, every time I engage with the franchise in any way I can’t help but think about how jkr is using that money and engagement to fund campaigns that directly hurt me as a trans person. If people want to still engage with the series coz its nostalgic or its their comfort fandom or whatever then good for them but I have never seen more people bending over backwards to justify why they continue to consume this particular piece of media. Okay, whatever. You do you. But I’d rather not engage with those discussions at all because JKR is still alive and profiting off people’s nostalgia and using that to hurt people. In the future, once she’s no longer profiting off it, maybe I’ll be able to go back to it but that isn’t happening any time soon.
And as a mildly related point. I find it so funny how often people like JKR talk about how they don’t have a voice, or they’re being spoken over, or their free speech is being infringed upon etc etc when they have a twitter platform with millions of followers and have been directly quoted/namedropped by multiple politicians both in relation to proposing new laws around trans ppl and otherwise. How does she have no voice when her voice is louder than pretty much every trans person’s voice? The fact that she can talk about being silenced and be listened to literally shows that she’s not being silenced?
Well said.
Same. It's a strange sadness.
In a video by Jenny Nicholson she mentions another 'alleged' scenario where Disney very nearly had the rights to build a HP themed park. But, they wouldn't build the train. Or at least they wouldn't without optimizing the design, because the extremely limited number of guests who could be transported at one time would cause severe line congestion. Universal (alllllegedly) agreed to build the train according to Jo's vision, so they got the rights.
In all of these situations, I don’t see a lot of people pointing out that there’s a difference between “separating art from the artist” and not financially supporting terrible people. You can find good things about a work from someone you don’t like, but that doesn’t mean that supporting them doesn’t have greater consequences.
Yes! This is what I came to the comment section looking for.
And it doesn’t mean that it does have consequences either... some people are fucked and will give the money you gave them to the wrong people, but if some dude sexually assaults someone, what is it going to change if I don’t watch his movies anymore? Strictly nothing. Dude got paid. It’s up to the justice system to decide what happens. So there’s a lot of nuance to this I think
should I support people who trace over photos of people's chidlren to create art for diaper fetish commissions. I mean it's just "pose theft" right?
@@kaiyodei At no point was it necessary to expose us to that mental image
@@kaiyodei what the fuck are you talking about???
As a disabled person who was born disabled,I vividly remember when I found out JK Rowling said We wouldn’t exist in her world and we would be magically cured. I felt super uncomfortable. To this day my feelings are so complicated, Lupin was one of the only characters I saw myself in as a kid. He was the closest thing I had to a disabled elder. But my body was to “broken” for the wizarding world. I sorta stopped even enjoying the films it’s kinda a reminder “I can use your kind but like hell if your allowed in”
I was born disabled too, but I never followed her commentary. This is the first I'm hearing of the magical cure deal. It's so gross. Lupin was also a character I related to growing up. Rowling really is a dumpster fire of a human.
What about Ariana Dumbledore or Alastor Moody? Are they not disabled?
They can regrow freking bones, youre telling me that someone born with a crippling disease in a world that appears to be able to cure most things, people would be left like that? Hell i have a few things id change about myself with magic and im not exactly disabled. Paraplegic? We have the means to cure you but we wont because offensive.
Kinda ridiculous reason not to like it. Of course if magic healing existed, they would use it to help people born with disabilities. If a parent could help their child walk, I’m positive the vast majority would do it.
@ferret Your ignorance of what eugenics is beyond being a buzzword is astounding. Eugenics is not treating an illness, it’s preventing ill people from being born. Is chemotherapy eugenics?
I think that writing fanfiction, making fanart/ocs, and creating your own stuff for Harry Potter is a good alternative. I am not going to buy the games or tickets for the movies or any of the licensed merch. I am nonbinary. I am queer. Harry Potter was my PERSONALITY for so long, I can’t divorce myself from that (sadly), so I will do what I can to not support Joanne
@@CJCroen1393 You're not doing anything bad by not doing so either, JK made shitty tweets yeah, promoting harry potter isn't a bad thing, people can think what jk wrote was wrong and still like HP.
@@CJCroen1393 that terf is making LOADS of money right now. Every time a significant wave of smelly, upset twitter neckbeards make a fuss, the game garners more and more pre orders. LOLOLOLOLOL
@@CJCroen1393 You must be fun at parties.
I cannot confirm your story about the theme park. I can however say I know someone associated with the theme park and he was complaining about how the requirement of 1:1 building size was a safety hazard and he was absolutely enraged about the construction.
Fanworks, fanfiction, fanart, fan anything is the way to go with Harry Potter in my case, even if I'm not even a huge fan nowadays. Larps set in the HP inspired worlds are still something I love to attend, as other players and organizers are often queer and make the world more inclusive and more nuanced.
Genuiely, this is one of the only cases that I can honestly say the fanworks improved upon the source material.
Absolutely agree
...If you're doing any of those things you're indirectly supporting JK Rowling and giving her more power. Why do you even want to support the anti-Semitic pro-slavery transphobic books anyway? Just drop them and find better books to read.
Yes.
Literally, Kaleidoscope Grangers is a hp fanfic that completely rewrites the series (all 7 books + epilogue) longer than the series itself, where harry is rescued from the dursleys by the grangers, and harry discovers herself as a trans girls and names herself as Ariadne. Plus, she's blind. The author makes sure to poke and shine a light over ever shitty thing set in the worldbuilding and how ariadne wants to change it somehow, slowly but surely, and about all the ableism inside Hogwarts architecture itself. Its a p damn good series, i recommend it if anyone wanna read a better version of that story
But it would be more realistic to have building facades that are small on the outside but way bigger inside because … magic!
That’s literally something that exists within the books and movies, too.
Besides, it’s a theme park. There’s plenty of ways to use forced perspective to make things still appear 1-to-1 even if the obvious safety and accessibility changes need to be accounted for.
Exactly, disney does that a lot. The haunted mansion is supposed to look like the whole ride takes place in the mansion out front even though that’s impossible. Or like how the hotel from the shining makes no logical sense, it’s supposed to do that! Magic!
why cant people just enjoy a game anymore they have to look for something negative in a game that isn't even out yet.
ps. death eaters are not a thing by this time period.
These are just far-leftists. Don’t worry, this game is gonna do record numbers.
I think we should point out negatives so that the people making these games will know to change it in the future. If no one complained about the Sonic movie before it came out, it wouldn't be as good as it was on release.
@@John-kd2tc yeah I’m gonna be honest, the goblin slaves being the “bad guy” in the game is ummm really icky. Also want to point out the story for the game was not made by JK Rowling so she can’t be blamed for that. I hope they change that part though.
Because it's funding the persecution of people like me.
At this point, if someone I know is planning on reading the books, I get ahead of it and lend them my copies. I won't encourage anyone to read them, but if you're going to, don't participate in the ecosystem.
Don't let them buy new. Don't let them buy used, taking copies out of circulation and increasing demand for new copies. Don't borrow from a library who will take notice of their increased waiting list and order more. Just... borrow mine.
You should be applying for a refund or you are just as bad as jk rowling
Just bought my copies!
jk rowling has golden statues of the characters lining her mile long driveway. i promise you her bottom line will be rock solid until the end of time. you're being a fucking loser for absolutely no reason is mad funny
You have no power or authority to stop anyone from doing what they want.
@@xboxrules8472 so they try to create it by saying you are doing harm to [insert marginalized group]. they twist peoples words and hammer in how "hateful" they are. they say JKR donates to "anti-trans" causes etc, when in reality she donates to organizations that want to keep a clear distinction between biological women and trans women, BECAUSE THERE IS ONE. She's then labeled are a hateful bigot and then used to gaslight weak minded people into believing they are harming trans people by buying a video game. it's disgusting psychological authority because they have no real power to change the world around them
Honestly when people ask me if they should read ‘Harry Potter’ I just tell them to watch ‘The Owl House’ instead. ✨🦉✨
AS U SHOULD i love that dana clearly grew up with Harry Potter and now is ripping it to shreds lmao. like that sorting hat bit
@@prench Wing It Like Witches’ best joke is basically Dana saying fuck Quidditch and it’s ICONIC
yesssss
Selling points if people need them:
- A fantasy world that has wonder and whimsy, but also gives off very creepy vibes.
- A unique, drawn out magic system that our protagonist actively learns.
- Shockingly funny humor.
- Endearing, charming, and absolutely chaotic characters.
- Queer rep (including trans rep!) that's actively built upon and reenforced.
And more, genuinely one of my favorite pieces of media I have ever seen.
So just trading one rich bigot for another rich bigot?
I don't know why it's taken everyone so long to realize this. As a kid the books made me feel bad. So I became an insufferable Lord of the Rings stan lol
OK I HATE JKR BUT TOLKEIN IS LIKE JUST AS BAD
@@brianschofield4419 in what way? Also Tolkien is long dead and lived in a time where being ignorant was expected. Rowling doesn’t have that luxury, her bigotry is completely a choice.
EDIT: It’s clear that I didn’t explain myself well enough, that’s my bad. All the people in the replies are correct in saying that Tolkien was indeed “just as bad” in terms of bigotry, I was under the impression we were discussing transphobia specifically but was clearly incorrect in that. Again, my bad.
@@thedestroyasystem not disagreeing with you but bigotry is always a choice and time period is no excuse
@@thedestroyasystem lmaooooo don’t tell me no one knew abt racism back in the day
@@brianschofield4419 I am in no way saying that, I’m just saying that for the issue they were talking about (transphobia) it would make sense for someone not to know at the time Tolkien was alive. Not excusing anything, nor was I talking about racism at all.
I think there's quite a potent way of separating the Arrght from the Arrghtist
With every new thing I learn about JK R*wl*ing, my suspicion that Lucius Malfoy is.a self insert grows stronger.
I remember seeing something that you know JK didn't intend to make Dumbledore gay because he'd be named Thespian Hairdresser or some crap. Like the asian girl is named Cho Chang and the black guy is Kingsley Shacklebolt..... you couldn’t give them average British names like most characters have
Thespian Hairdresser I can't-- 😂
Why is Cho Chang a bad name? Like, just that one, not the others you mentioned which are obviously ridiculous. The character is Asian-British. Why would she require an English name? Asian names are names just like any other. If the character was non-Asian it would be different, because then it’s cultural appropriation. But why can’t Asian characters have Asian names?
I think of it this way:
As a writer, if I were to make a Korean character and give her a Korean name, why would people call me out for it? Rather the focus should be on how well I wrote that character, like if that character was authentic. If I am getting criticized by non-Koreans because of the name I chose, I feel that wouldn’t do anything to help me improve my writing. I’d rather have people (Korean people in this case) give me contructive criticism. As a non Korean I would take them seriously because if I were offending them, I’d want to fix that.
Of course, the discussion then can be “should white people be allowed to write nonwhite people?” And to that I say yes. The alternative of having everyone stick to writing their own race, gender, ethnicity, nationality, age, ability…it would get plain very quick. marginalized writers can help each other out. As a disabled woman, I’ll help someone write disabled woman. As a Asian person, someone can help me write Asian characters. I truly believe white people can write unproblematic Asian characters if they do their research and consult the communities they are choosing to reference.
@@falsegod8792 my friend now wants to change their name to that. Makes introductions easier, they claim.
Idk man, Kingsley Shacklebolt is a just a damn cool name. I’d rather have that than any actual British name, and he’s wasn’t born into ordinary British society anyway. I can see why it would annoy people for the one black adult to have shackle in his name tbf, but “king” is there too.
@@pokemonfanthings4444 multiple people have talked about cho chang's name being a mismash of several culture's names, certainly doesn't help that her name literally sounds like a derogatory term people use on asian people
As a transman, I really wanted the game to be semi-divorced from the nasty bullshit, but I guess nobody can have anything nice
That was my hope too, specially when a lot of people in the game production side of things made sure to try and separate the game from JK's views, telling everyone about the "diversity in their company" and all that corporate BS that I was willing to swallow if they actually did something different and more affirming of this "diversity" they preached... but when those things about the head of production came out and the story was announced to be about the Goblings *mere weeks* after the whole John Stewart thing.... it just made me sad all over again to realise that yes, I should just leave HP in the past ...
Same here. I was excited to find out it would get released for the switch but hearing about the plot instantly squelched any desire to buy the game
I was wary about the game because pro GG developer Troy Leavitt was working on it. Didn't realize he left production.
@@edeely698 How so
I think I want to play the game just to see what it's like RPG wizard School sounds kinda cool offensive stuff in games is a lot easier to overlook because you can at least usually smash their face in. One of my favourite games is New Vegas probably my favourite character is Veronica her family and group are an absolute shower of s*** but you can basically kill them or not help them though technically if you help them you show that Veronica is exactly what they need to survive. she is lesbian and for some reason the strange about that such a foreign concept to me I'm not really sure how to react what's next getting upset over people's favourite ice cream mental bastards. anyways game interest me I might wait to see what kind of offensive material I would have to put up with the interactivity changes the nature of offence provided you can lift the downtrodden and tread on the fascists I'm ok with some offensive stuff something like if there's slavery I'm going to want to be able to free all of those little house elves that seems acceptable I'm very much sat on the fence really depends what the finished product is if it's basically just a cash in on a franchise that's been irrelevant for over a decade I'll probably pass. By the way I'm not a Harry Potter fan lol
"Ethical Consumption" LOL.
"It is with noble sentiments that bad literature gets written." - Andre Gide.
I always wanted to have a house elf so I could help them secretly the other house elves.
I am a huge HP fan. I cannot stress this enough. I’ve read the series more than a dozen times. They were everything to me growing up, a great escape in a violent household. The characters and the worlds began to mean so much to me. Plus I was the exact age (11) of the kids the year the first movie came out. The series was the first of many book series that sucked me in and meant something to me personally.
I’m also non-binary. It’s a huge part of my identity, bigger and much more vast than my love of HP.
I didn’t realize much of the problematic (at best) content in the books and movies until I was around 22 or something. That’s when I decided I would no longer financially or otherwise support JK. That didn’t matter so much because I already owned two sets of the books and all of the movies. I was never one for merch or anything. But it hurt my feelings because I really looked up to her and I found her profoundly empowering.
I didn’t follow her stuff or pay attention to anything she was saying or doing. I just assumed she was a good person because she made something so magical to me. But it was obvious that tweet wasn’t an isolated incident or misunderstanding. And that really, really hurt me. As soon as I heard a slam poem about Cho Chang, I was out of her camp. But the TERF realization hit close. And that really sucked. I would never support someone who does this stuff.
Edit: I never got into Fantastic Beasts or games.
I’m a Harry Potter fan, of MY Harry Potter, the world it built for me, everything. I still read the books on occasion, as I read many YA series that I loved growing up.
The place Harry Potter took and takes me is NOT JK’s Harry Potter. And it really sucks that she tarnished parts of it, but the magic, I’ve kept for me. My books are old, weathered, water-stained, and they remind me of the time I sat on the floor of our bathroom and read the 5th book in one day with everything I needed right there so I didn't have to leave. Those books aren't hers, they're mine.
So if I don't own the movies and if I want to rewatch them (on netflix or smth similar which I usually do twice a year) I can't otherwise I'm supporting her? Because obviously if I shouldn't go to the movies to see it then I should support her on netflix? But Harry potter is my childhood?
@@sophiel5205 Libraries! Go to them! Many of them have dvds and blue rays still. Good luck 👍
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@@sophiel5205 you have HBO, watch HP. All of this stuff is complex and nuanced, there are a lot of opinions. My big ass comment was my thing, and you should do whatever you want. Especially about a streaming service, that seems like it’s splitting some pretty thin hairs.
@@sophiel5205 What in the world was that response? Seriously. OP was expressing their thoughts, feelings, memories and opinions - in what I found to be a deeply personal way... and you come back with, 'So, what, I can't stream these movies on Netflix more than twice a year?!' Like, wth? That just feels like such an odd reaction to what they had to say.
Anyway!
Now, on another (more personal) note - not to rant too, too much, *buuut*...
I wouldn't spit on JKR's face if her eyebrows spontaneously burst into flames because she is - in MY opinion - a dangerously hateful person who doesn't give one single shit how many people she hurts along the way on this bullshit TERFy warpath she's so intent on taking. She doesn't care that she's hurting the very fan base that handed her her vast wealth, status and extreme privilege. She's a disgusting human being - and that will be her 'legacy' now. She's gone full Death Eater at this point. Now, when I hear her name or I see her smug face on my screen, I don't think 'bestselling author' - I think 'this ignorant, prejudiced, human-wrecking-ball BIGOT is going to fund anti-trans laws, actively try to radicalize any base she has left - and she's going to end up inciting violence against my LGBT brothers and sisters across the globe with her utterly reckless and disgusting brand of FAKE feminism!' I feel like she uses that like a shield so she doesn't have to actually admit that she's just a garbage person who let the mask slip more and more as time passed in her career. She makes me absolutely sick to my stomach!!!! She marketed to kids so we all grew up with this story and fell in love with it - all to find out she was Voldemort the whole goddamn time! GREAT JOB, JO!!! 😤
OKAY! Sorry, everyone! Rant over. She just really gets under my skin and I had to vent that out into the ether! I just can't with her. I really wish she would just deactivate and disappear. She's done *SO* much damage already - just ripping so many of her fan's hearts out of their chests and laughing about it all the way to the bank!!!! 😡😭😠
Honestly, maybe the self insert fanfics and gen Z “shifting” to Hogwarts might not be that bad.
Go ahead children, re-write this magic as your own, and don’t spend a single dime.
Remember it how you want to, make it something special to you, while leaving JK in the dust.
Shifting can produce some hardcore derealization and disassociation. So maybe fanfics are a better idea
@@Sofia-wh9jr true! I thought it was mostly just kids wishfully thinking.
But instead, everyone should just create their own HP world
@@Sofia-wh9jr shifting is the reason I stopped trying to kill myself and no I don't disassociate from reality, I am more focused on my current reality so can u all stop giving misinformation about it to others?so sick of it .
@@comfortforthesoul4067 I am happy it helped you, doesn't take away the fact that it can do the things I said before
@@Sofia-wh9jr have u tried it before or you saying it just because u have heard about it from some CZcams videos??because most of the informations they put their is not even true .people do get away from reality even without shifting so nobody can come and say shifting is the real cause of someone's problems. Their problems was there even before shifting. Now it's people choice how they want to use that opportunity. They can go study ,learn new skills or just run away from their problems. So shifting is not the problem here it's the people who don't know how to use it for better things
Could you speak (if you haven’t already) about your criticism of Ansel Elgort? I too really enjoyed baby driver and I now know about Kevin Spacey being a disgusting person, but I wasn’t aware of any issues with Elgort? I love the thoughtfulness in each of your videos and would really be interested in understanding what perspective on that. Fantastic work with this one as well!
He’s a sexual predator
Wizards preventing another wizard from interfering with WWII in order to protect the secrecy of the wizard world? 🤔 Mmh, sounds like at least one of the authors still remembered the Prime Directive from Star Trek. Although I must admit, this plot point would work even better if the explanation for *why* the wizard world has to remain a secret to muggles had been witch-hunts and the inquisition - rather than the “the muggles would constantly ask us for help” excuse that Hagrid gives in book 1. 😁
Especially because it's explicitly stated in one of the books that the witch hunts are a literal joke to the magical community
@@anna-flora999 Guess that was just to make the setting more palatable to kids. 😅
All I'm gonna say is how glad I am that I didn't get that Harry Potter tattoo I wanted when I was a teenager
I feel so sorry for people who got HP tattoos. I'm so glad I'm too indecisive to get anything permanently marked on me, never know when your opinion will change.
The beanie.... it's.... gone.
Acceptance
@@thenarader112 I refuse to
@@frankfriendsproductions891 you have no choice.
...🥲
You don’t even watch the movies he’s trying to stop WW2 from happening but he wants wizards to live freely and not hide. You didn’t even watch the damn movie bad take.
I'm sorry but the vast majority of the points in this video seem to be nothing more than personal gripes. You say you don't like the correlations (that you make) between the game/movies and the real world, fine. But objectively nothing bad happens if you just ignore it.
as a trans person who was raised Jewish, i can't agree enough with everything you said here. i remember being a kid and thinking "gosh those goblins sure look like offensive caricatures of Jewish people" but immediately undermining my own gut instinct because "everyone loves HP, it's just a coincidence and i'm being overly sensitive." i read and enjoyed the books as much as any other thoughtless kid looking for some escapism but after seeing the movies i could never quite get rid of the bad taste it left in my mouth. it's been really disappointing to find out how right i was. thanks for covering this topic!
don't forget green halloween witches
Goblins look like goblins.
Goblins come from folklore and multiple ideas of how they should look have been around for centuries including ones that might be misconstrued as offensive caricatures. I don't think there needs to be an ideological reason for character designs just a visual approximation that people find pleasing to watch
"Offensive caricatures of Jewish people"... I mean, the stereotype isn't unknown to me, but I think this a bit of a reach. If anything, they're held in higher regard within the world of wizards and witches than they are anywhere else, hence the European folklore surrounding them. If you apply that to the HP lore, it's almost like you're seeing the documented demonization of goblins throughout history. What are, in actuality, crafty, intelligent, and reasonable creatures, were probably seen as grotesque demons in the eyes of medieval-era townsfolk. I'm not trying to swing either way, concerning Rowling's position on trans people. However, to say that a seemingly discriminated group within the HP lore are offensive stereotypical portrayals of Jewish people, seems hyperbolic.
Thank you! I actually brought this up when commenting on another video about Rowling and someone replied to me saying that I was the antisemite for "comparing antisemitic goblins to a mythical Harry Potter creature" where I responded saying, "Have you seen antisemitic portrayals of Jews before, especially as goblins?" because I cannot unsee it after I saw Jon Stewart point it out one time (I have never consumed HP myself) where I looked them up afterward and, OMFG, the resemblance was uncanny. 😵💫 I don't know how people don't see it because it's clear as day to me.
Now, I don't think Joanne had any intention of giving that resemblance to the goblins nor do I think that whatever antisemitism she has is anywhere close to they who shall not be named, but it's clear to me that she has unconscious biases that need analysis. However knowing her, she'll probably never admit those biases as she appears to have a distinct lack of humility 😁
The most I invest into Harry Potter is reading obscene fanfic on AO3, so my conscience is clear 😌
Honestly AO3 Harry potter fanfics is the only reason I even know anything about Harry Potter
@@tebbo2896 same. Read the first three books as a child and watched the first two movies. Lost interest and never came around to finishing them and yet i know nearly everything that happens in them.
You feel your conscious is clear because you read free smut online instead of the actual books made for children? Wow, you have it so backwards and unfortunately you're not the only one who thinks this way. What happened to morality? Genuinely.
Ah, I see I’ve found my people.
Edit: I write twilight ff on a03. Fuck me, right
@@rachyljean reading your other comments you're just a straight up terf so our opinions on morality being different doesn't surprise me
I think a clip from one of Flash Gitz’ parody cartoons best sums this topic up:
Skeletor: This place sucks! It’s time Castle Greyskull had a makeover!
He-Man: No, no!
Skeletor: Why don’t we start with… a tampon machine! Ah-ha-ha!
He-Man: No, that doesn’t belong in here!
Skeletor: And you won’t be needing these anymore! *points at the wall*
He-Man: No, not my Pantera posters!
Skeletor: Phil Anselmo’s racist, He-Man!
He-Man: Separate the art from the artist, Skeletor!
Skeletor: THAT’S IMPOSSIBLE, HE-MAN! *rips Pantera posters to shreds*
He-Man: No, why are you doing this to me?! 😭😭😭😢😢😢
"Today I'm gonna talk about your favorite magical warcrimes fantasy series"
Me: Oh cool, I love reading about Warcraft.
"The Harry Potter series"
Me: Oh.... yeah close enough.
As an artist, I am superglued to my art i cannot be separated from my art oh god I have to pee help
go ahead and pee, call it performance art
My tablet is attached to my hands help ;-;
Bad people can produce good art, the same way good people can produce bad art. Yes, the art might reflect some of their values as a product of its environment, but ultimately its still a product that can be enjoyed. The other solution is to totally ban everything which I don't agree with. Contextualising always helps, to consume a product in light of its influences.
Having said that, I personally find it a bit troubling to continue supporting someone in the present day after finding out their scandals. I've stopped watching a good many CZcamsrs because something came to light. Like a streamer I used to follow on and off. I couldnt once it became public that he groomed a barely of age fan and got her to fly across the states to live with him where she had no career prospects and had to financially rely on him while he cheated on her with multiple women. (When she left, he kept her hamster hostage. Wtf bro) I can't watch any of his old videos anymore because they have been utterly tainted for me
Hot take: “Bad people can make good art” and “Harry Potter is NOT good art” are statements that can, should and do coexist.
@@CJCroen1393 You’re free to not like Harry Potter, but you can’t exactly deny that it’s immensely popular and has had a huge cultural impact. It’s hardly a masterpiece, but it has captured the imagination of entire generations.
That was its purpose, and thats what it did. What exactly is good art to you?
I feel as if you’re associating your dislike of Rowling with her work.
@@anubis7457 I never really understood the immense popularity. There are so many works with related motifs that did not capture such levels of attention. To give just a couple of examples, The Books of Magic from DC Comics and the Young Wizards series by Diane Duane both are more imaginative, unconfined to convention, and better art to me.
@Chris Z This video didn't really delve into the range of philosophies implied by its title. I would say that boycotting Rowling is appropriate, but her franchise does not rate cancellation on the level of Louis CK. (Who should never get a comeback.) On the other hand, Dr. Seuss was not a bad person. It is good that his bad art has been removed from publication, (even though he is dead) yet it is absurd to me to suggest boycotting his other work. When Seuss was living, he continued to grow and on numerous issues he demonstrably evolved from positions that he regretted. I think he would agree now that stereotyped cartoons of different races feed into racism.
In the case of Art V Artist. It depends, if the art is bad but the Artist is genuinely a good human. Rate the art and hope the Artist atones. If the Artist is bad but the Art is good. Judge the Artist and what they put in their art
I think the nostalgia I had for Harry Potter, reading it with my brother and mom, that won’t go away. But I agree that supporting the franchise seems like a choice that ignores all the harm Harry Potter is currently doing. So I won’t support it.
I personally feel that one should connect the art and the artist. These are for three main reasons. The first one is what Duncan mentioned about financially supporting the artist. We live in a capitalist system so there is power in voting with your dollar. Secondly, when creating any art, people are going to put their own thoughts about the world into it and many times these ideas are bigotry. I'm not saying when people write a story they are thinking "hmm I think women are inferior so I am going to make the women characters inferior as well", I am more saying that they may subconsciously put these prejudices throughout the plot, characters, and themes of the story. The final reason why the art and artist should be linked is that leaves more room for criticizing parts of a work while complimenting another. I personally love the book 1984 for its world-building and the way it makes me think about society, but I am not going to ignore that this book was written by an old white man so the woman character seems overly sexualized and two-dimensional. By saying you should separate the art and the artist means closing that door for that type of criticism which I find lacking in nuance
I just wanted to say I feel the same way about 1984. I read it recently and thought the setting was just amazing and interesting to read about, but the characters were not it
yea u get it!! i was excited about hogwarts legacy and considering pirating it lmao but when i saw they made goblins the villains... and then don't address the slavery of house elves... and they just highlight how much of jkr's bigotry crept into her novels and continues through the franchise
nah. if some aphobic ghostpupgender person is suffering I'll find more shit wrong with them, drive them into the only thing that will keep them afloat is drawing gorey lolicon then tell them "you got what you deserve" be the ghostpupgender poor or rich. because why not.
It’s a fictional world my god do you want every novel to be rainbows and butterfly’s why can’t a fictional world have fictional oppressed characters? Roman literature is riddled with oppressors and the oppressed it’s part of human history, what your calling for is to completely delete that part of our history to appease your feelings and that’s crazy.
I think that people, at this point, should just start looking for new stories and universes to fall in love with. There are other writers out there who are far more caring, there are actual queer and trans writers you can support. I highly recommend the Young Wizards series by Diane Duane (she's a vocal trans ally and the series is excellent), anything from K.A. Applegate (leftist, supportive of her trans daughter), and of course Discworld by Sir Terry Pratchett, who was a shining beacon in his time and deserves far more recognition.
Great! Yes please for the love of god leave all these great writers and producers art/work alone and go and make your own stories already the constant whining about every little aspect of someone’s fictional work is crazy. It’s simple everyone throughout history (including yourselves) are bigots. 100 years from now they’ll look back and pick apart something you did as bigoted. Let’s see what everyone wants to get upset about next. A lot of people on here saying they are jewish yet the jewish religion is one of the most bigoted their is but I’m adult enough to separate your personal religion from my personal feelings and still manage to live and coexist with you. This generation is so sensitive.
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I'm to lazy to write a better comment in english, but thank you for the great video !:)
Tbh, have we ever been able to see much of the inside of the buildings in the movie? I mean, I know 10000% that we seen some of it, but never enough to know entire dimensions of each building? Like if the building is bigger I feel like it would feel more realistic?
I get what you're saying. There's an actor who does movies in my native language. I've watched his movies all my childhood. He was known for his comedy roles. A few years ago, news came out that he instructed a gang to assault another actress to "defame" and "ostracize" her from the movie world. That combined with his infidelity to his ex-wife and subsequent marriage to an actress he groomed, I feel like I can't rewatch any of those movies or comedy scenes with him. :(
i'd like to think that most of us reading the series would join S.P.E.W. if we were actually in that world, i certainly would, or at least i'd like to think so
Then you probably didn’t get the joke what S.P.E.W. was all about. But I don’t blame you. Hermione herself apparently didn’t get it, or she wouldn’t have started HeForShe 😂…
@@cosmicprison9819 And, for those of us like myself and Minikitty, please point out the joke in the slave-freeing ring.
Listen this might be controversial but I don’t think reading the HP books you already own or watching the original series is really hurting anyone. This content has existed for over 20 years and a lot of people who aren’t Joanne poured their blood sweat and tears into those projects. And, as a lesbian, my HP books were my one true escaping growing up being bullied for my identity. Hell, my absolute favorite thing in the entire word is the Hogwarts trunk my wife bought me to put my books in almost a decade ago. I’m not saying you should see the new movies or play the new games. That stuff should be left to rot. But I dont think it’s bad to still enjoy the older stuff so long as you acknowledge it’s roots, what Joanne is doing now, and refuse to support any future projects.
You know there are better books out there right? You don't need HP just because you mistakenly thought it was good back when you were a kid.
I think it heavily depends on the art, the problem, wether or not that artist is still alive and where the money goes. So usually the artist is still earning money with the art and then you cannot separately consume the art and not support the artist, except you pirate the art.
IMO the "separate art from artist" idea is applied way too broadly. To me, all it means is that the artist's moral character doesn't determine the value of the work. It has nothing to do with whether or not to support the art/artist, it's simply something to keep in mind when analyzing a piece of media. Not to mention that there's value in analyzing media with the artist in mind [for instance: transphobic themes in Harry Potter that relate to her real-world bigotry].
I'm horrified by JK Rowling. I don't want to put more money in her pockets. These new additions to the Potter universe seem....well, also fairly horrifying. But I have the original books. I occasionally re-read the original books. They are not perfect or unproblematic but they are something significant from my childhood that are still nostalgic for me. I don't know if it makes me a worse person, but the books aren't ruined for me. I won't be buying new things or consuming new content. I won't be telling people to read the books or putting a dime in Rowling's pocket. But I'll probably continue to reread the books and I honestly don't see how that could harm anyone. I respect and understand those who feel that it's all been tainted and ruined, though.
Also. I'm kind of a theme park nerd and remember learning about Rowling's input/demands in regard to the park design back around the first section's opening in Orlando. I was, frankly, disgusted by it at the time. Theme parks are not designed in a slapdash manner. Every aspect is carefully engineered (not just rides, but the queues, the walkways, the shops) to be both safe and efficient. You are moving a massive number of people through these spaces every day of the year (in the case of Universal, anyway) and when you have crowds that large, safety becomes a real issue if they aren't consciously managed. The arrogance of someone with no knowledge, education, or expertise in this area demanding a theme park be an inch-by-inch recreation of movie sets is staggering to me.
But it's more than annoying, it has a genuine negative impact on people. It would be one thing if it just meant you were only forcing people to wait in hours long lines (in the Florida sun) to be able to buy a wand. That's bad enough. But the way those designs limit accessibility for guests in wheelchairs or with other motion-assistance devices is really horrible, particularly considering how many Make-a-Wish kids wish to visit Hogsmeade and Diagon Alley. To me, it's just another way that Rowling refuses to look past her own privileged perspective.
And the thing is, the result isn't even what I'm sure Rowling was hoping for. Instead of having buildings that cleverly manage crowds to enhance immersion, those parts of the Universal Parks often feel much more like a theme park because of the HORDES of people spilling out everywhere. It breaks the illusion more than it enhances it.
So you’re just gonna keep enabling hate crimes and conversion therapy against trans people by rereading a book that’s not even good? Gross.
Hasn’t the stereotypes on goblins been a thing for centuries though?
How does that change the problem?
@@anna-flora999 It means that she’s not just making it up that goblins are greedy etc.
@@benfletcher8100 again, how does that change the problem?
@@anna-flora999 It can change the problem because sometimes people apply stereotypes without really thinking about the terrible histories of those stereotypes. Sometimes they don't know, sometimes they don't think that maybe they should double check on Google, or sometimes it just doesn't click until much later. This can definitely happen when importing older character types and mythology into modern works.
It's still a problem, but it's a different problem. Being an accidental racist is still bad, though, but if you appologize and work to fix what you did where possible (and work to not repeat the mistake), it's a hell of a lot less bad.
Can't say much about JK specifically here since I haven't been following this closely and I wasn't a fan of the series. I would hazard a guess that no apology was ever given, though.
They do get bonuses based upon Is metacritic score. Also they do not get paid per unit sold but if something sales badly they will lose their jobs when their studio gets dismantled/ down size.
I don't get how these people don't understand how important job security is in the industry and to so many workers in it