The Titanic Sub Implosion was a Personality Test
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- This story requires your beliefs, your nuance, empathy, class consciousness, and mob mentality awareness to process fully. The Submersible caused a perfect storm of discourse.. but it also feels like a test - with wrong answers.
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16:59 - 21:38 Tragedy Comparisons & Factors upon Factors
21:38 - 26:47 oh wow he found a way to make this about him, the egoist
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#commentary - Zábava
I feel like the worst part of all of this was that the 750+ immigrants who drowned chose to board that life-threatening ship and take a very scary journey across the sea in search of a better life and a new start. Yet the 5 billionaires drowned because they were completely reckless. OceanGate had been sued in the past for being unsafe, but they still decided to board the sub.
they were refugees most from countries the west destroy like Libya. And most of them died because European polic. Its sad
it's horrible but I find it annoying that the only time people bring this tragedy up is while talking about the submarine - most of them don't really care about the immigrants, they just wanted to play the 'holier than thou' game
@@Dutchwheelchair If Americans destabilized the middle east by dismantling their governments, perhaps they should take in all those refuges instead of Europe.
The "refugees" are literally the same problem you fool.
@@Dutchwheelchair bullshit. None of these people have papers, they are lying, go to syria, go to libya, they aren't full of the same people who are getting free housing in Europe while the rest of us cant afford a flat with a college education.
I almost forgot about this with Coleen's apology
Same
I wish I could say the same 😭
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It’s crazy how much power one ukelele can hold
Deadass 😭
I wasn't pressed at the thought of them dying, and still am not. However, I was incredibly distressed when I thought that they were slowly running out of oxygen in a dark because that's horrifying and I won't want anyone to go through that. Once I found out the sub had imploded, I stopped being upset lol
This was exactly me. I felt bad when I thought it was a slow terrifying death.
it was a relief to know they had gone quickly, once the time had run out, even if they had managed to find them it would have been a lost cause.
This was exactly my response. I thought some of the really out there memes were funny but like the Twitter account just counting down their life support? Not funny. No one deserves to die so horribly.
I felt bad for the kid but the rich doing dumb sh*t while throwing away amounts of money that would change most people's lives? I have a tough time feeling too bad about it.
Exactly! I'm of the firm belief no one deserves extreme torture like that, but hearing that it was likely an implosion so damn fast that they probably died instantly? Yeah, I don't feel too bad (except for the teen and MAYBE some crew idk)
My biggest issue with the whole thing is how the news played it up like it was the biggest tragedy to ever happen when it regularly ignores the deaths of the less well-off
They really didn't, though. The news treated it like an urgent matter because it was under the impression at the time that these were people actively dying, waiting for rescue. It definitely wasn't a noble thing the news did, mind, it was frothing at the mouth to clickbait and get those constant viewers it got from things like OJ's trial by using innocent people's lives, but it was never because of it being some extreme tragedy. It was just great clickbait, due to being a mystery, an ongoing situation they could therefore infinitely milk for content, and being connected to something already famous like the Titanic. The news was just as callous toward the deaths of those people on the sub as the random poor people whose deaths they don't bother to cover - they just displayed it in the opposite way, where instead of ignoring it, they exploited it. Make no mistake: they wanted those timers to hit 0, and most likely have the sub remain 'status unknown' even then. Finding out the sub imploded when there was still time left was disappointing to the news, because it shortened the time they could milk the views.
when i hear about any tragedy i can immediately consider it in isolation ...much like the people it's happening to ...only a computer brain would start to evaluate stats on all the other accidents and then apportion empathy based on the results.
The news did not give two shits about the people themselves. It was the fucked up nature of the story. Refugees dying is boring. That's just another Tuesday. That sounds totally heartless, but it's true. We're all sociopaths who don't actually care about anyone. We just want to be entertained and titillated by a fucked up story unlike any we have ever heard, and this fit the bill. Imploding on an unclassed sub? Pure gold. Billionaires dying from their own hubris, at the site of another story of hubris from over 100 years ago? THE POETRY.
@@bepitan The problem is that the news did apportion empathy based on the victims' net worth.
@@MySerpentine .make your own mind up.
For me and I think a lot of Europeans, the news of the Titan disappearing broke at the same time as the news of a boat full of refugees sinking near the coast of Greece. A captain went out with her ship to save as many refugees as she could and she was sentenced to jail for doing so (for some obscure manufactured law she broke). We were in the midst of being outraged over those in power conspiring to have as many refugees as they could drown simply because they didn’t want more refugees in their country.
It was incredibly infuriating to see the news immediately jump to cover these billionaires and their tragedy that need not have happened, if they had taken more safety precautions or simply hadn’t have as much hubris.
It was horrifying to think about the billionaires being in the submarine as oxygen ran out, because waiting to die in a box with no chance of rescue is a terrifying prospect.
I’m glad they didn’t suffer.
But they chose to be there. They could afford a $250.000 ticket to go that deep under the water, and for what? So they could say they did?
It’s very sad for the 19 year old. He would have had time to become a person who changed the world for the better. But I think ultimately the jokes are not an issue. It’s a way of venting frustration, and it’s not great to make fun of people who are suffering, but they are billionaires. Their families can afford ten thousand therapists while the rest of us struggle to pay our rent month to month. We should joke, because our world has become ridiculous. Humour is the only way for us to keep going.
The biggest hypocrisy for me was seeing people share the memes about the sub, then huff and puff about the plight of the refugees not getting as much air time as the sub, and then... sharing another three or five or seventeen goddamn sub memes. I had to look for news updates myself during my work breaks just to find what refugee situation people were referring to, because I couldn't find a single post about it from these people who were complaining about it not getting any air time. All over my feed, it was just sub meme after sub meme. The refugees were only brought up in conversation when that genuinely awful situation was needed as a perfect excuse to keep posting sub memes.
Like okay, yes, it was absolutely infuriating that the sub was getting more airtime, but if that's how a person truly felt, you'd think they would then dedicate their posting activity to signal-boosting information about the refugees' plight, instead of contributing to the problem they were complaining about and using it as an excuse to brainlessly dunk on five ultimately unimportant and insanely-privileged dead people.
OH know it's a submersible not a submarine
that's right, know the difference.
A submersible can handle the depths at titanic, while a sub would implode
Submarine shapes like and intended to be a submersible.
nothing wrong with not wanting "refugees" in your country. i would save them, i guess, from their own lack of intelligence but i would drop them back off where they came from
@@AnHeC its not a choice when it was the only way they could afford to scape the horrible situation in their country
The refugee crisis is a no win situation; the more you rescue, the more ruthless human smugglers will send out overpacked vessels with desperate people, endangering even more people, and there is no easy solution.
I feel like something is missing from the recap:
The fact that the submersible would implode was completely predictable, and the CEO went out of his way to not have anyone predict it.
He was literally firing industry experts who told him how unsafe it was. Money is a hell of a drug that does scary shit to one's brain.
I'm a rightously old person and I see the humor. Yes, it was tragic. Yeah, I really feel for the teen that went down to make his father happy. But the hubris behind it all is just to much to get hand wringy about.
Righteously, not rightously. Too much, not to much. You're old and went to school when school mattered. You should know this. Note: I'm a righteously old person that knows grammar. I'm surprised you don't. Peace Out Granny
@@alexmiles40 you added nothing of importance to the conversation with that.
@@alexmiles40 grammar nazis are not conducive with kuncans community guidelines. peace out granny
@@alexmiles40 Sorry Mom.
@@alexmiles40 They might not be from an English speaking country, bud. And since they have not gone to school in a long time that would actually explain why they may not be that good at English spelling and grammar. Stop being a douche.
Im so sad that this overshadowed the death of the refugees - i have no sympathy for the people who went on a trip that cost more than my yearly salary even if it is sad, also im mad at the news outlets
Yeah the entire world seemed to care more about some billionaires than 300-700 people seeking refuge who were just left to drown because it was against the law to help them!
People have more sympathy for _billionaires choosing_ to put themselves at high risk than they do for hundreds of refugees seeking asylum and just being watched as they die.
"I have zero sympathy for other people and their family simply because they've been more fortunate than me"
Honestly I think people talked about the refugees MORE because of the contrast with the sub. I don't think that got less media coverage because of the sub.
@@pwabd2784i genuinely can’t understand how people don’t see how messed up that is. i stg this is gonna be in psychology textbooks in a few decades. because this level of cognitive dissonance is insane. it’s like that moral problem of saving a child or a group of elderly people from being hit by a train. the correct answer is, there is no correct answer. it’s pointless to put value on human lives especially when it’s only for your own benefit. i promise these people don’t care about the refugees or the billionaires, it’s about feeling morally superior. i think people should feel however they want to feel, but i can feel it in my bones that these mfs couldn’t care less about either. don’t try to make yourself look better, it just makes it even more embarrassing.
It's more than I made in a decade let alone a year lol we need universal base income
Very well done. My thoughts more or less lined up with yours well before the vid. Billionaires dying? cool. Billionaires dying due to their own hubris because of their need for cutting any and all corners even when lives would be at risk? hilarious. But goddamn its a lot more bitter knowing that a dude not even reaching his 20s died with them because of a pseudo peer pressure for fathers day.
he is the only one that I feel bad for
Hit the nail on the head. That’s exactly how I feel about it as well
I feel horrible for that poor 19 year old. Rest of 'em can go to hell though.
If you want to take the edge of, you can direct your frustration at the fact that someone over 18 is still a "kid" in the media's eyes when their father is a billionaire... and then think about how they've treated much younger people whose parents weren't rich.
Watching from the UK, we were dealing with this completely bizarre situation where we're supposed to wait with respectfully bated breath to find out how these ultra-rich people might survive... while our government talks about the drowning deaths of refugees fleeing oppression as if it's entirely their own fault.
The peer pressure angle really is frustrating, and you can almost see it as a metaphor - for the fact that, to get the approval and recognition of the old and wealthy, you basically just have to be uncritically up for whatever stupid thing they're planning to do today.
@@FTZPLTCYou have my exact logic. Like, imagine if the peer pressure was about _other_ people suffering. Suddenly nobody gives a crap. Everyone wants to baby a 19 year old billionaires son as if anyone would have gone into a deathtrap for their Dad. I don’t get it.
Finally a break from the Toxic Gossip Train 😌
🎶Chugging down the tracks of misinformation🎶
I hate that I know the lyrics to this
@@Alex-cw3rz We all know the lyrics to the "song." Almost everyone made a video talking about it
@@Alex-cw3rzat least we're having fun 🤷🏾♂️
@@nailinthefashion put that away
great, now it's in my head again xD
When I was introduced to the whole event through memes, I remember having two prevalent emotional responses. One was laughing at the absurd irony of it all and the other was anger, mainly at the news media and the CEO. The way news outlets covered the story and the fact that the CEO ignored so many warnings is what made me upset. Had both parties treated the situation differently, there wouldn't have been a tragedy for people to make fun of.
So was I, I thought it was a joke for awhile
His cutting of corners needed to be covered on the news, especially with people who are currently cutting corners now. It's a lesson and employee safety should be a priority.
dudes like the CEO being rich even though they're so incompetent is most of what had me upset. He was the biggest idiot in that can of rich people and he ended all of their lives because of it. The other rich people trusted him to keep them safe just because he was rich. That's the kind of power being rich gets you, just blind faith from everyone around you and the power to do whatever dumb crap you want even if you aren't qualified.
I laughed, didn't think it was real, googled it, and was surprised. I figure it's on the CEO/company and he can be relentlessly mocked and bullied for this, since the passengers didn't know the extent of how dangerous it was. I don't research my model of plane before I get on it, because I trust the airline, and OceanGate had a few successful trips in the past (...though that probably strongly contributes to the reason of implosion) so it's not really on the passengers. All the blame is on the CEO and he fully deserves to be mocked for it.
I think that is pretty fair.
Finding out one news station had a countdown to the air running out made me feel sick tbh. Let me just laugh at hubris and feel bad for like, 2 guys
Yeah, two things can be true at once, you can see the irony, laugh at all the terribly obvious warning signs, and criticize the lack of respect for a graveyard, while also sympathizing with the passengers, especially those that were young/impressionable. Personally, I was literally both, why am I gonna lie about that.
fuck dead people dying is such a skill issue
OH know it's a submersible not a submarine
that's right, know the difference.
A submersible can handle the depths at titanic, while a sub would implode
Submarine shapes like and intended to be a submersible.
@@bobsterclause342 Bot.
Youve clearly never met a rich kid. Ive know several, and the thought of them being crushed like an old car is ecstatic
I am upset with the father. Why would someone risk their safety when they have a child to take care of? My own father became more careful after I was born because he knew how important he was to our family. It's distressing to see the lack of concern for his son, either by not discouraging him from going or not going himself.
Because ocean gate l ied about the level of safety. Also what was your dad doing before you were born that he wasn't after.
I feel bad for the wife and mother who lost a husband and son at once.
That’s I’m trying to get people to understand. Billionaires. Do. Not. Care.
Fuck me, apparently (like this could be false for all I know) the Aunt lied and the Mom purposefully gave the son her ticket because he _wanted to go_ to solve a Rubik’s cube in front of the Titanic wreck
If you spent 250'000$ or a ticket would you give up on going?
Thank you for being so vulnerable with us about such a complex issue - I was on team "Hey, I really feel for that kid, I'm only a year older than him." and to hear he did it for his Dad makes it feel SO much worse.
But like… imagine what else he would do (or had done) for his Dad. It’s just this one time he had to face the consequences.
His aunt spread the rumors of him not wanting to go. The mom has since come out with receipts that he in fact talked her out of going because he badly wanted her spot on the submersible.
OH know it's a submersible not a submarine
that's right, know the difference.
A submersible can handle the depths at titanic, while a sub would implode
Submarine shapes like and intended to be a submersible.
My own opinion about the “eat the rich” perspective is that the idea of eliminating the rich is with the hopes of confiscating and redistributing their wealth. That will not be the case with this instance. It will just go to their other rich relatives and no one suffering from wealth inequality will benefit from this. I think that sucks.
Or the ones who are actively doing the eating will just take it instead
@@PolskiKrajowa or like anyone in history that has conducted a socialist revolution will end in horrible poverty and pain for everyone except the autocrat at it’s head
@DetectiveThursday that's why you gotta be an Anarchist, not a Communist. No leaders, no autocrats, no corruption
@@evelynphipps610 And nothing stopping the autocrat from steamrolling you. Might want to remember that.
@@DetectiveThursdayMay the marxists and their bastard leaders be damned. Anarcho-communism is in my opinion the only alternative to todays horrible and evil systems. The people don't need corrupt rulers and hierarchies, nor do we want them. Humanity must be freed or it will die.
Some people are really acting like the word sympathy is a synonym for company cannot be held liable for this. Sympathy is nothing to do with how much risk was taken.
It wasn’t safe at all the builder literally said he had to break some rules to make it
In jury trials, sympathy is often a synonym for "company will not be held liable for this". They could, sure, but the more sympathy for the CEO who died of his own libertarianism the more likely they won't be. After all, "he's been punished as much as he possibly could be".
Oh I gave sympathy for the kid. I have a negative amount of sympathy for the there 4.
Oh I have sympathy for the kid. I have a negative amount of sympathy for the other 4.
@@-user_redacted- why? We lost one of the best oceanographers in the world who was unaware of the safety issues, the other 2 guests were l ied to about the safety of the vessel and even who made it.
One of the biggest issues I had with this was the cost of rescue/recovery. My government (🇨🇦) spent millions in taxpayer dollars, only for people close to the case to seemingly claim they were already aware an implosion had occurred…. As you said, “In this economy??”
It is insane as a Canadian that these billionaires aren't going to pay us back for this? Does seem insane
For anyone claiming they died a horrible death, they didn’t even have time to realize they were going to die. It happened in the split of a second.
They died under water…in complete darkenss. That’s seem like horrid death to mr
@@hiim4212 do you know how implosions work.
They were burned and crushed in a second your brain wo t even have the time to register it
That makes it worse in my opinion
@@hiim4212 but they didn’t know they were gonna die
@@TwiDashFTW how is that worse?
My thing about the "two things can be true at once" post is that really two OR MORE things can be true at once. I can sympathize with the deaths, I can rationalize that billionaires suck, and I can laugh at the irony. That post was trying to paint it like having empathy for the deaths somehow negates the humor of the situation.
I get that gripe, though I wouldn't necessarily claim to know the intention of the post. "Two things can be true at once" might have just sounded better and more succinct than "two or more things..", ironic given that wording opinions in a way that 'sounds cool' or is worded shortest is a reason i believe many opinions lose their nuance when shoved into a little text box. I would hope to believe that the "to me." portion at the end rings true for the whole tweet, being that others can find it hilarious, but some people can't get past how terrifying things had seemed at that point of what we heard, and that it's important to recognize that it doesn't necessarily make them right wing politically, or pearl clutchers.
Though that as well may be a generous read of the tweet that contorts it in a way that aligns more with my beliefs. But yes, it was funny, terrifying, and very very politically charged.
Duncans compassion is like a warm hug
How about this then
You should know it's a submersible not a submarine
that's right, know the difference.
A submersible can handle the depths at titanic, while a sub would implode
Submarine shapes like and intended to be a submersible.
this explains how me and my brother talked about the situation perfectly. i said i don't feel bad for the man who built the sub and skipped out on safety measures, but i feel bad for everyone else, and idk why but even more so for the kid. I'm glad it was quick. (sounds sick to say but I mean, I'd rather that than suffocate or drown.)
exactly. they may have spent a ton of money to go down there, but im sure they thought it was safe. it's not their fault, so we shouldn't be laughing about their deaths.
@@karkador i honestly wish it had just been the guy himself. he shouldn't have dragged other people into it. and then i heard someone saying he was really persuasive and pushy about wanting other people to go on the sub.... yeah i'd laugh if it was him and only him. i'm not gonna lie. but it wasn't just him, so
@@mightymeatymech he was pushy about it for profit. They made a ton of money per trip if they had 4 paid seats. Let's say it was a million to start, that's pure profit after the second the trip lol he didn't even use a new sub or maintain it like it was supposed to. A microfracture could cause an implosion as easily as bumping into something. It was multiple layers of negligence, imo, man slaughter w a vehicle because he was very painfully aware of the risks and downplayed it.
I used to be a sonar tech in the Navy and I kind of had the same thought. We used to actually listen for "hull pops" as the hulls of subs would try to krinkle up when the sub changed depths, and that was the hull working as intended. I used to imagine what it would be like to be in one of those things when it wasn't working as intended and have your boat just crumple up around you with you inside, and so I just couldn't comprehend how someone could know how hostile the deep ocean is and *still* skimp on safety measures.
We also had a girl fall overboard once though. We were landing the helicopter and the aft watch has to be stood down during flight quarters in order to clear the flight deck, so no one saw her go over. We noticed she was gone within the hour but the ocean is big and currents can carry you quite a ways from where you fell, so we didn't find her until the next day and she was already dead. After seeing what that body looked like on the flight deck cam I knew that was just one of the worst possible ways to go. Being crushed in a giant tin can is definitely better than drowning, which kind of makes it even more messed up that this story is so overshadowing the deaths of the refugees that happened around the same time.
@@nailinthefashion and here my silly ass is sitting here poor af when i could just be putting people's lives in jeopardy for money.... huh. gonna go eat my avocado toast lmaooo
I feel the worst for Suleman, who didn't choose to be born into wealth and had his whole life ahead of him. Also that he was apprehensive about the expedition and decided to do it to make his father happy really hits hard
It turns out that wasn’t true. His mom was the one who was originally supposed to go, but she gave him the ticket because he really wanted to go. Even said how excited he was to solve a Rubik’s cube down there.
that's not true, go watch the interview with his mom, he took her place to make a video solving a rubik's cube at an underwater graveyard... er Titanic
His father also didn't choose to be born into his wealth, as it was his families wealth as well, so now will you feel sympathy for him too?
@@qwitchyy I think I had heard that as well, but I maybe assumed incorrectly that his aunt and friends who said he was nervous about it had spoken to him about it more recently. Like maybe he was excited at first but then became nervous as the date got closer?
@@Alex-cw3rz yes I feel sympathy for his father as well as the other two customers. I don't really feel much sympathy for Stockton Rush, who cut corners when making the submersible and knew things could potentially fail yet chose to take other people on board
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I'm firmly in the camp of "I would hate to die that way and that's sad, but at the same time I am fairly confident that I would know better than to pay a quarter of a million dollars to climb into an obvious death trap, so its hard to feel sorry for someone who did exactly that"
I slightly disagree with you on the passengers knowing all the risks; Rush and his company used expired materials to make the submersible and that would create extra risks that were not disclosed to any potential customers. Alyte of LegalBytes did a good video breaking it down a couple days ago
There's an interview of a man and his 20 years old son that gave up their spots on the Titan because they decided it wasn't worth the risk.
Check it out, they knew that there wasn't any certification on the submersible and that they use alternative materials
4/5 of them were well aware of the risks though?
I don't think any explanation of the risks involved would be sufficient. Everyone at some point does things that have inherent risks involved, whether it's getting on a plane or going in for a routine surgery, but usually the risk of dying isn't higher than the risk of surviving, which is what seems to be true in this case. There was a former employee and expert who said that the submersible was literally unusable, basically implied it was a death trap and literally said that no modifications, repairs, or upgrades could have possibly made it safe for use (his exact phrasing was "a lemon"). There's no way the company and CEO told the passengers about that. From the sounds of everyone who was involved who has come out talking about this since, it would be a miracle if they survived. I don't think any explanation of risk could have prepared them adequately for that, because if the explanation had been completely honest, nobody in their right mind would have gone.
Just knowing that it was made with "experimental materials" and wasn't certified isn't even close to a sufficient disclosure of the risks, for anyone whi wasn't already an expert it wouldn't be clear exactly what that means or how big a deal it is. That's the point of having experts and technicians to guide you through a process; you have to assume they have the necessary credentials to keep you safe, or they wouldn't pose themselves as an expert. That's the responsibility the company takes on when they allow outsiders to be involved in their dangerous experiments. Truly sufficient disclosure would be like preparing someone for assisted suicide.
@@lapatti Do you have a link or the name of the man? I'd like to see it
Didn't they see it was controlled by a game controller tho? Idk... That + being bolted into the sub would have me running for the hills personally
I also almost drowned when I was a kid. I feel really odd about it now because when I think about the lady who saved me I have no recollection of what she looked like. She pulled me out from under some particularly strong waves, when I had completely lost track of which way was up, and I would not even be able to pick her out in a crowd
For the record I was around 5/6 at the time and this is one of my earliest memories
I almost drowned as a kid as well. I must've been about 5. Nobody saved me and I would've died if I hadn't slowly and agonisingly walked out of the pool. Thank goodness it had stairs.
literally same thing happened to me in hawaii but my dad saw and ignored the signs and took me into dangerous water and when we began to drown he pushed me under. i know that's like what you're supposed to do, you can't let someone else drown you by clinging but it just struck me the same memory of being under the water frustrated looking up at the surface i cant reach except its my dad's hand holding me under. sometimes you hear things and they affect you in personal ways probably unintended but it's really sweet to me you looked after your little brother.
I’m so sorry, you didn’t deserve that. I don’t care what you are technically supposed to do, a parent should be willing to sacrifice themselves for their kid, they shouldn’t push them under water.
How did you survive?
@@mikoto7693 swam down and away and followed him to shore from a distance :/ i accidentally trauma dumped in a youtube video comment section again im sorry you all had to see this lol
Way for your dad to out himself as a POS
i am sorry. this sounds traumatizing
I understand the humor (in a cosmic sort of way) of the tragedy, but I still do not understand how some people can feel just such immense joy and happiness from loss of life.
Yeah I can’t understand how billionaires sleep at night either.
@@darealjoff19 hey, you found #2 of the two true things! Very nice!
Because the people who lost their lives are the ones responsible for immeasurable human suffering.
@@IsomerMashups Oh, I did not realize the people lost were such monsters. However, I've been searching for evidence of their heinous crimes and for some reason I cannot find any.
As an expert on this topic, perhaps you can provide me with some sort of documentation that details the crimes against humanity and immeasurable suffering you allege Shahzada Dawood and his 19 year old son committed. Or perhaps you can tell me the names of some of the people Titanic Expert Paul-Henri Nargeolet killed in cold blood. I would even take an old arrest warrant from ICC for the dastardly human right abuser and world record holding diver Hamish Harding. But for some reason, if you cannot provide evidence of the harms caused by these people (I would be shocked considering the 'immeasurable suffering' they are each responsible for), I will give you an easy one: give me a single person that Stockton Rush has murdered. And the people in the submersible don't count because, after all, as you believe, they were irredeemable monsters that had no right to live anyway.
A lot of people are only thinking about the whole thing as a representation of billionaires and greed. They dont think of them as family members, they are the result of some stupid idea that cost 250k to even buy into.
I can kind of understand why, but its such a useless thing to put energy into. It's not a small victory over billionaires, nothing will change or get achieved. It's just an empty moment.
This is why I love this channel. You talk about things with objectivity. Sure, you can make jokes, but you also know when something is serious, and I appreciate that.
id say not with "objectivity" since i guess personal bias seeps through everything and here duncan's bias is to approach things by taking several steps back and being empathetic
yeah i wouldn’t say it’s objective since i think objectivity is almost impossible to do, but it is just a nuanced take. he understands both sides of the situation and sees the grey area in things
There's no such thing as "objectivity" with a subject like this, besides maybe the fact that they all went down there and then didn't come back up.
Say what you will but this was not “objective”. It’s clear through his speech that Duncan is generally pro-billionaire-death (albeit with maybe a modicum more nuance than your average breadtuber)
The thing is that it was really only one man’s hubris. The others weren’t engineers and just assumed the company knew what they were doing.
i feel like part of the reason it's so hard to feel truly bad for whole incident is because it's not something that could just happen to anyone, i will never have to worry about someone i know just spending 250 thousand dollars on a whim to go in a submarine and view the titanic. so it's harder to feel empathetic for rich people who do crazy shit because they can afford it
The first day this was news (when we had literally no idea what had happened - they could have been stuck at the bottom, bobbing at the top lost, or imploded), I was unaware there were jokes. I went to trivia that night and was late, so the team picked the name before I got there…we were Titanic 2: The Sequel, and I was just so uncomfortable with how gleeful my friends were at the idea of people (billionaires or not) potentially sitting in a tiny can at the bottom of the ocean, counting down their oxygen. I agree they made their choices, but I wouldn’t wish that upon anyone. (The deep ocean is also a personal phobia of mine, so my empathy was through the roof.)
I’m also confused why the internet is so up in arms about the Navy hearing a sound that could have been the implosion and not saying anything. There’s no way they could confirm 100% what the sound was, so they couldn’t just…not look. And announcing that to the public prematurely would potentially be devastating to the families. From what I understand, the Coast Guard was aware of the info, and they were the only ones who needed to be.
According to the mother of Suleman, he was actually pretty excited to go. Everyone was excited. Personally, I don’t think that should change anything-they all believed they were safe, when this submersible was only tested a couple times, not looked over by officials because it was ‘too innovative’. Regardless of the customer’s monetary status, there is undeniable tragedy in let something like this slip through the cracks
I mean the waiver definitely mentioned death a lot (afaik) and there was a lot of public news about how unsafe it was.
real
@@DeathnoteBBmost waivers for stuff do
Most medicinal side effects are not experinced by everyone
@@notapplicable6985 …yeah and this wasn’t a medication, it was a death trap that was pretty publicly known to be unsafe
Yknow I got to wonder how someone can spend so much money and go so confidently on a vessel so poorly tested. People wanna go to mars tho so the fuck do I know
“He shouldn’t have been on that sub” no one should have, it was untested and the creator deliberately skirted safety regulations. Say what you want about billionaires, but the only person on that sub that deserved to die was the CEO of ocean gate
You can have a third opinion: "I don't care".
Heck, in this economy? Care about yourself my dude. A story like this is a flash in a pan. We don't have nor should to care about everything. This story is very American and as a non-American, I don't like to be told by any outlet, especially outside of my country, what should I care about in this moment. There are simply more important things do care about, and as you said in the video - it's an algorithm game.
Thanks for the video mate :)
Yup truth, hate it when Americans tell others to pick a side when it doesn't even slightly involve them in some way or form. It is their own problem to care about, not ours
Yeah indifference is mostly what I feel. I don’t find it funny and didn’t from the beginning. It was an astounding case of corporate greed and deceit regardless of their wealth. But they were ignorant and wealthy.
I don’t know. I don’t feel much about it.
My first thought was "Why are there random tourists gawking at the wreck of the Titanic? Show some damn respect." I didn't become emotionally invested after that.
as long as you take that opinion to yourself. oh you collapsed from heat stroke? deal with it bud, should not have gone outside
tbh tho you are right, im supposed to care about these "ukrainians" and "refugees" being pushed by the media all the time when they are the ones causing all the problems.
Life is absurd and I think we're all trying to grapple with that constantly. Joking (or allowing others to joke) about death is important and necessary grappling. I feel like the US, in particular, has such a weird relationship with death and I have to believe that is part of the reason people get so hyper defensive over jokes: because we don't know how to talk about it.
I mean yeah basically. We prefer to bottle up our emotions, even though we advise _each other_ not to. But not bottling them up is sort of taboo. I think that might be why online discourse is so emotional. We have no outlet unless we’re anonymous.
When I first heard about the sub situation and that they only have about twelve hours of air left, I actually cried a little bit. I'm an overly sensitive loser, sue me. I couldn't stop thinking about it and feeling terrible for those five people - billionares or not, I wouldn't wish this kind of horror on literally any living soul. When it was confirmed that they died on the day one, instantly and probably without a clue of what was about to happen, I was actually hugely relieved, even though it was still grim. I actually found a lot of the jokes funny after that, but with the guilty knowledge that if that happened to anyone I know, I would find little solace in how quick or painless their death was. I would still feel it was a pointless, stupid death during a pointless, stupid venture, which would probably make my grief worse and harder to make sense of. Yet it's also the fact that it WAS such a pointless, stupid death during a pointless, stupid venture that fuels half of the related jokes and makes them funny to the general public. I feel like that meme "Inside you, there are two wolves..." and one of the wolves is a basic human empathy and the other one will never have 200 000 USD for a frivolous submarine trip.
Its objectively hilarious how they died and I hope it was painful
on the one hand, you're not a loser, the world needs more people who are sensitive to the suffering of others - but I hope over time, you adjust to give that energy to people who actually deserve it, not indiscriminately
@@FionavanDahl I can see your point. And thank you for being kind.
nothing wrong with being overly sensitive and/or emotional
(i'm not defending the billionaires, i'm just saying this as a rule of thumb)
Did you feel bad for the refugees? (I doubt they were reported on enough for you to hear about them)
This was a wild event to experience as a bystander with zero stake in the game. Somehow this one emotionally did more to me than other bad events with worse outcomes (in terms of numbers if nothing else)? I think it’s because we see so much “eat the rich” out there that having an event that nearly lives that out perfectly with one exception of the 19 year old, and it’s the first real time we’ve been faced with how we actually respond with that mindset IRL.
Personally where I ended up was- people died in a can in the ocean. That’s horrifying and a literal nightmare and is objectively just a Not Good Event. The fact that it was quicker is a mercy and almost a comfort compared to what we all thought was happening. But objectively in a larger scale way I feel nothing but a grim sense of “I mean what do you expect” because they shoved themselves in an uncertified can and dove deep despite repeat warnings not to do that. Goober millionaires did a dumb thing because they have more money than sense and I do not feel bad that the bad thing ended badly. Again, except for the one guy’s teenager, that does truly hurt because THAT is the way the nightmare plays out for me. I’m not dumb enough to do this on my own volition but to be forced into it one way or another? That’s it. It is that two things being true sort of vibe.
I mostly ignored the media coverage of it, other than it literally being the only thing CZcams and Google would recommend me, so that didn’t factor in for me.
I love how some people are like "eat the rich" until people do not want to spare an ounce of sympathy for any of the millionaires who died. Hope that helps.
It's like when people got upset at Irish and other ex-colonised people laughed at Lizzy's ascend with a box.
also the fact that people are crying about the 19 year old as if he hadn't been raised to be the exact same parasite as his father is absolutely pathetic. we're never escaping this hellscape because people are far too eager to sympathize with these hoarders as if they would shed a tear if they died working themselves to death making a profit for them. leftism isn't a serious ideology anymore.
To mee it seemed like most eat the rich people were making jokes and only cared about the refugees.
laura jane grace's lyric about liberals being spineless always rings true
My first thought when I heard about the situation probably was "eat the rich". Still don't really feel bad about it since ultimately it's their lobbying that made it legal for something like this to happen. I feel bad for the kid but idc about everyone else.
I believe in throwing billionaire in gulags and repurposing their money, not killing them and handing the money down to the next billionaire owner.
*me*
"Dude that's so insensitive, why would you show me a pic of the submarine that killed people?"
*the doctor giving me an ink blot test*
"..."
The fact that every detail coming out made it worse without fail made me feel new emotions. I saw a post that said this feels like if balloon boy was real
I personally wish more online content creators were talking about the implosion 🤷 i find the whole situation fascinating
so like the physical aspect of the pressure on the titan??
@@melowlw8638 if this is what you mean I recommend the most recent sciguys episode
Not that it changes the sucky outcome, but the kid's mom did an interview saying her son was actually super excited to go on the sub trip. He planned to break some sort of rubik's cube record while in the sub.
Lol well to be fair he did break the record for the fastest imploded rubik's cube.
I actually cried a little when I first heard about it because I was picturing five men in a small, freezing tank in pitch darkness thousands of feet under the sea. Even if they were filthy rich.
I felt weird with all of the news and discourse--it reminded me of William Floyd Collins, an adventurer in 1925 who got trapped in Sand Cave (kentucky) and it became a nationwide spectacle. Like, people were selling food outside the cave. The rescue efforts lasted 17 days, but he ultimately died.
The first memes I saw (on discord) about the submersible kind of took the wind out of me. I felt a little upset that people would joke about this but I didnt say anything about it because I dont like arguing. But over time I didnt feel as offended by the memes. So I guess Im more on the "life is precious" side, but the irony is also admittedly... Funny. In an ironic way. Sad, dark irony.
After the fact, I'm just disgusted with Stockton Rush.
Life is precious but when you know billionaires have to indirectly kill people to be billionaires, your sympathy for them dries up
As someone who's - somehow - survived being pulled under by a rip current at a younger age, with my mom and younger sister, I will simply say... The most frustrating part of drowning is not the drowning itself. It's the realization that, as you're trying to swim, nothing is working. You can see the shore. You know how to swim. You're moving your arms as much as you can to keep yourself afloat. ... But you aren't going anywhere, and the shore sits there, or even gets farther away, as if its taunting you. And it's not, but it feels like it. It is so annoying, not being able to save yourself in a situation like that.
What's even worse is that even here in greece the media talked more extensively and for longer about the submarine rather than the refugee disaster...
The only one I don't care about is the CEO. Seeing him on video and hearing about how he'd get mad at people and actually fire people who were worried about safety.
Him I really hope he was absolutely terrified down there knowing it was all his fault
Being out of touch, or even selfish isn't enough for me to want people to die or be completely indifferent about them dying. I'm not mourning them because they're a concept, not real to me but I do feel bad for them still, death is almost always tragic. The right to life is the most basic right & regardless of circumstances it is sad when someone just... stops existing.
I'm mostly exasperated that these dead billionaires who had every opportunity and reason to avoid this fate became Discourse. Some reckless rich people popped like grapes, who cares?
No they specifically turned into mist 👀.
TW: suicidal ideation
The reason I personally had a hard time empathizing with the victims of this situation (except for the teen of course) was because a big part of my depression is the feeling that I'll never reach a level of even remote security and that I have often thought about how I would like to die in an accident, as that would make my pain end, while not giving those who love me a feeling of guilt about not having done enough, because they have done more for me then anyone could ever reasonably ask for (and yes I am receiving professional help don't worry).
So when the people, who are (though indirectly) a big part of why I want to die in an accident, die in an accident, while spending an amount of money that would instantly relieve my worries, I can't help but find it Ironic and even a little vindicating.
i feel the same way. if they had given that money to someone who needs it they never would have died in such a stupid way. their own greed killed them. i do feel bad for the kid but ultimately i think he would have turned out just as bad as his father. it's why in the bolshevik revolution they killed the czar's kids.
i'm also suicidal and it just pisses me off that people like this are able to spend that much money on bullshit while the rest of us suffer. i got laid off by microsoft because they moved my job overseas. now i'm relying on unemployment and my grandma to afford my apartment that increases my rent everytime i renew my lease. i'm swamped in medical bills because i was forced inpatient for trying to kms, which ironically has worsened my situation because i can't afford the medical bills. i could get a job at mceonald's but i wouldn't be able to pay my bills by myself. so instead i'm trying to get a job in my field and no one will hire me. our society is a joke. health care should be free. housing should be free. food and water should be free. and yet people are up in arms over billionaires dying at the bottom of the ocean in the most ironic display of hubris since the titantic itself.
i'm glad they died. i wish more billionaires would die. i wish more people wanted billionaires to die because then our society might actually change for the better and those billions of people suffering because of a few rich assholes will live better and happier lives. but no one cares about the homeless kid who died a preventable death because their parents couldn't afford a house while the elements got to their child. heat and cold will kill just as much as hunger and dehydration. no, everyone cares about the poor billionaire's son who died because he wanted to make his father happy. boohoo, the poor rich kid went on a trip using money none of us will ever see in our lives and died. the only reason people care is because of how much attention it got. everyone keeps mentioning the refugees that died at around the same time, but no one ever mentions anyone's names or their fears and motivations for getting on that boat. what about the kids on that boat that got on even though they thought the boat was unsafe just to please their parents? we don't have any stories about that. because the media only cares about rich people. i'm sick of it tbh. i don't give a shit that he died and i want more rich people to die. i said it.
putting trigger warning makes everyone take you less seriously bud
@@Blox117Go cry on 4chan reactionary.
@@Blox117 Don't lump people in with your bad take
@@calimorales9880 exactly, never put tw unless it's a joke
I do find it odd how people are doing maths in their head about if they should feel sympathy for people or not, as if it's not something you naturally feel. I feel sympathy for them all except the CEO who l ied about the safety to the guest and ignored all calls for the vessel to get certified like all other deep sea submersibles. Because he wanted to do it cheaply.
Edit : The CEO did something wrong that is why he gets no sympathy, that is not hypocrisy as the maths comment is about wealth and age. Whereas he did something wrong.
Ikr… I feel bad for the “tourist” people because I don’t think they understood how dangerous this was, the other couple of guys maybe did, imo especially the ceo. I do feel sad for the son and father and the French explorer guy because he had done this many times and was actually helpful in recovering artifacts for museums etc. I think that’s pretty tragic. And before anyone comes at me with “they shouldn’t mess with the artifacts there’s dead people down there it’s a cemetery blah blah” I hope y’all keep that same energy for prehispanic and other ancient ruins and tombs that get messed with all the time to be shown at museums..
@@FabiolaMacabre so true
@@FabiolaMacabre with the 'tourists" youd thing theyd actually do some research with all of the spare time they have
The waiver me mentioned death no less than 3 times on the FIRST page. The ceo was openly bragging about how many corners he cut. The British billionaire literally had some quote about innovation not happening without risks and had journeyed with the company before. The ceo didn't lie about the safety of the sub, everyone involved in this understood what was happening and they chose ignorance anyways. There is nothing to sympathize with there.
@@Vishkala sympathy is not a synonym for a document to get out of legal repercussions, sympathy is not in proportion to the level of risk. Also the CEO did not brag about cutting corners, he bragged about "innovation". No that was Stockton Rush the CEO that said that quote. The CEO claimed two universities were involved in the construction when they weren't that is a l ie, it was not relayed to guests that the porthole was not rated to the depth they were going. I don't know to either congratulate you or be baffled at your ability to say so many wrong statements in such a short comment.
I paused the video at the beginning to try to wrap my head around how i actually felt about it, and im glad that you actually summed up my feelings perfectly. This was such a brilliant and well rounded analysis of the situation, so im only mildly disappointed i didnt get sorted into a meyers-briggs style category based on my reaction to the event 🤣
I guess I found myself really frustrated because I didn't really like the lack of empathy I was seeing from people, but it was not really the lack of empathy specifically towards the people who died. Which sounds dumb, I know
by that I mean, I heard this phrase pop up a few times when people tried to defend making jokes about it: "play stupid games, win stupid prizes."
That phrase probably means nothing to anybody who wasn't terminally online the way I was (and still am), and I won't go into to much detail about it, but I've seen that specific phrase used to justify displaying this truly detached and cruel attitude towards people who had horrible, distressing things happen to them. not the mega-rich, not even always people who did something obviously stupid imo, just average joes. Often a vulnerable type of person, even
I've never been someone who goes "all life is precious, you can't talk poorly about the dead" when people laugh about shitty people dying or whatever. but I guess I always have had a distaste for this idea of "Darwinism" when applied to humanity. Even in joking ways. Something bothers me about it on a fundamental level.
I can't act like I am super broken up about these people's deaths, and I don't really want to, but most of the discussion of it having that aspect to it made me kind of irritated at best, honestly kind of uncomfortable. Though I guess this is mostly just a me thing.
And I dunno. maybe it was just the mental state I was in while the discussion of this stuff was going on, but I felt like my own gut reaction to this event differed from like, idk, a shitty President dying or whatever. I kinda just felt off whenever someone talked about how obviously hilarious the situation was, but I also wasn't sending thoughts and prayers or whatever. I think both of those reactions just felt performative, somehow
I give the dead exactly as much respect as I gave them in life. Sometimes, that isn't any.
"What if YOU were in that situation!? You wouldn't be laughing then!!"
1, I'd never be in that situation. I don't have the money nor balls if I'm being real. And 2, yes I would. I know for a fact I'd be in the afterlife laughing with people about the dumbass way I died lol
Yeah I’ve told my family if I die in an extreme and absurd way IE; implosion, falling into a vat of hot substance, getting final destination’d in the shower, etc they have my explicit permission to laugh ☠️👍
They gotta find an excuse to sue the shit out of some soulless corp tho
This whole thing makes me feel something simple, in a way, but complex: absolutely sick.
I felt bad when I thought it was a slow terrifying death. Once I found out they imploded I felt less bad.
I can't really express how much I appreciate your channel. Without getting into too much detail, I have "scrupulosity" OCD. That means that my brain hyperfocuses on severe intrusive thoughts about being a "moral" or "correct" person, and it's really easy for me to get sucked into dangerous cycles of hearing one person's simplified (and sometimes hardlined) moral opinion and begin to spiral about being a fundamentally bad person. It's impacted nearly every part of my life.
I was hesitant to click on this video because I assumed it might be something similar: a simplified, hardlined moral stance one way or the other. Not only are these type of stances bad for my mental health, but I've begun to feel very suspicious of them. I don't know if they're frequently good for anyone at all!
That was kind of a silly fear, though. Every video of yours I watch, I've seen you come in with a truly nuanced, empathetic position. Seeing and hearing from other people who publicly talk about these nuances has been really helpful towards my recovery and well being. I think it's really easy for even people without scrupulosity OCD to desperately want to be good people and to be approved of by our friends, and in combination with social media, it's easy for that to become everyone lining up to take hard stances on positions that they might not even fully agree with. I agree with what you said, though: whatever you feel is okay, just make sure you feel it. It's easy to feel what you think you SHOULD feel.
It has since come out that the 19 year old did want to go on and was not pressured. He actually wanted to do a Rubik's cube and break a world record or something.
I was late to the party as well, and I thought it was kind of random how many people online had been talking about their fear of the deep ocean recently, lol. I started getting YT recommendations for scary suba accidents out of nowhere...
“I feel like I've been caught in a really bad film, with a countdown, but you didn't know what you're counting down to. I have found it kind of difficult to breathe thinking of them," she added.
This is a quote from the family of the child and father who died. These are who I feel bad for. Because no matter how much money you have, you can't buy your way out of grieving when a child is taken from your life too soon. Her description is so apt. It seems like your loved one was always headed there. With an inevitability you took for granted in your ignorance. An inevitability that is pitiless in its cost. Uncaring for those left behind.
I don't feel sorry for the billionaires who died. I feel sorry for the child, and the family of the billionaires and child. And when the families inherit that wealth, and no doubt continue to hoard it, I wouldn't feel bad when the new billionaires die, but I will once more feel bad for the people who survive them. Because grief is a shared experience by all. It comes like a terrible friend that only ever has bad news. With an assumption of welcome and no plans to move out soon.
"That's got to be tiring" no Duncan you don't understand you could make a video rating different types of dirt and I'd have the best time of my life and I mean this with no sense of irony.
So anyways when are we getting that dirt rating video-
I can't toil with soil, it makes my blood boil. all dirt good
@@KuncanDastner I'VE BEEN DYING AT THIS FOR THE PAST 5 MINUTES IT'S SO SMOOTH??? FORGET THE DIRT WE NEED A MUSIC VIDEO
This story touched me on a weird level. It absolutely fascinated me. I looked up diagrams of the sub, watched Vids of its construction, reviews of the situation by ex-submariners... Even after it was clear they didn't die a slow, horrible death, I looked up models of the implosion and explanations of atmospheric pressures, etc. It was firmly lodged in my brain for that entire week in a way that very few things are for me.
The only thing that I had a similar experience with, apart maybe from the pandemic as a whole, was the crowd crush incident in Hong Kong a few years ago. It's still on my mind.
Thanks for the compassionate video.
There was a crowd crush in Hong Kong? Do you mean the one in S Korea on Halloween?
@@shinjite06 yes you're absolutely right - there was a crowd crush in Hong Kong in the 90s, the incident in '22 was in Seoul. Thank you for correcting me.
I have a very hard time feeling sympathy for them (except for the kid, given he didn't want to do this in the first place. It's heartbreaking to know he was terrified, he didn't want to do this and then he ended up dying, I don't even want to imagine how he must have felt) especially since at the very same time a Greece boat disaster took place. 500 - 700 people drowned. THAT'S SO MANY PEOPLE. Yet everything was about few rich dudes + one richer dude who ignored safety protocols and thought he was above science, technology and logic. 500 people drowned while trying to escape hell in their home country, trying to find a better life elsewhere, these 5 dudes died while doing something for funzies. I don't feel for these guys and I don't care. If I was able to afford such trip and died, I can totally see why someone who can barely afford food wouldn't feel for me.
this gives the o.c.e.a.n. acronym for measuring personality traits a whole new meaning lmao
i saw a meme in twitter of a pic of the titanic sub and above the pic was makima from chainsawman using her crushing powers, i love it
wish i could see it lmao
27:40 it has turned out the company had l ied about the safety of the vessel and who developed the vessel saying it was partnership with two universities when it wasn't. So it's abit unfair to hold the guests to account on that front.
I love the messages at the end of your videos. I’m so used to reactionary content on youtube - your empathetic reflections are really a breath of fresh air.
Also, your advice to stop and think about how you feel is definitely going to stick with me. I don’t realize how often I look for someone else’s opinion online in an attempt to find or validate my own.
the 19yr old was not scared, his mom confirmed, he went down there to be the only person to solve a rubik's cube in front of an underwater graveyard...he wanted that clout.
idc, he was 19
you can still be scared and want to do something. personally I've had a lot of trips i didn't want to be a part of but made the most of the situation.
As of that isn't the most 19 year old thing to want, lmao. Talk to any 19 year old about if they wanted to be the first person to solve a rubiks cube in the underwater location of the titanic and every single one off those mfs would have said yes. 19 year olds are just older teens with the same immaturity as 17 year olds. I guess all 19 year olds deserve to die?
i really love this channel because a lot of people would roll their eyes and say it’s not that deep but you go into things exactly as deeply as i want to go into things, i love making things personal, i love having elaborate conversations about things
it's kuncan empathy hour !! my favourite time of the week
I'm just sad Mr Titanic had gone. Such a cool dude, being passionate about his thing.
sometimes i feel like the internet loses sight of the both/and part of reality and the human experience. it’s terrifying and horrible that these people died AND billionaires suck. like you and that tweet said, two things (or more) can be true at once. i think our society and socialization makes it easy to breakdown complex issues into black and white but everything is never that simple. institutions of oppression are shitty and deserve criticism. but people lost and scared (or unaware) that their death was imminent is also shitty especially because those two are intertwined in multiple ways. their should have been more oversight on the company and someone should’ve stepped in to stop the illegal things they were doing. but we can also speculate that the people on the sub (minus the teen) were also doing that to their workers. but does that make their death okay? how can we process tragedy from capitalism when those harmed are the capitalists? what two things can be true at once?
i think that capitalism harming capitalists can and frankly should be laughed at. they voted for the leopards eating faces party and then went “noooo i never thought the leopards would eat my face.”
I feel like there is an easy and clear takeaway from this situation: that blame can and should be leveled at the news media for flagrant and callous exploitation of pain, fear, and outrage. But abstract and systemic forces like that can feel so untouchable as to paralyze us out of feeling anything. It’s like trying to fight smoke. It can be done, and we must try, but it often feels exhausting to even try to consider a plan of attack.
Some people might not like that this is "old news" but I really appreciate the well articulated and NuAnCeD (buzz word!!!!) perspective you were able to add to this with a week or two of hindsight. This is a valuable addition to the Oceangate conversation
Sounds like a horrifying experience, and I'm sorry you went through it. I almost drowned quite a few times as kid. Actually my uncle (In an effort to teach me diving) threw me off a cliff. He was drunk. Someone was in the water to fish me out, but it was terrifying. I dont remember much other than falling, and because of the awkward way I landed, the wind was knocked out of me. I didn't know which way was up, or down. Even as a good swimmer, I truly thought I was going to die. As someone who grew up in Hawaii for the first half of their life, I've noticed parents who visit don't understand the ocean. As such, their kids don't understand it either. It's treated as a public pool which is very dangerous. I was conflicted about this whole story when it first came out. I'm glad someone has described the nuances. Rich people spending exorbitant amounts of money for an experience, and in equipment they don't know works, isn't new. I can see how it's funny.. but they always drag others down with them in their ignorance. They think money will protect them, and shield them from being exploited. It won't.
In some sense, it's cathartic to see those who often do the exploitating suffer in such a way for a comically stupid, unnecessary reason. Especially in the face of so much suffering that is caused by lack of resources that wouldn't be similarly wasted. The irony is not lost on me. However.. they suffered in their deaths. There's humanity in realizing that they were people who died needlessly. Capitalism made that a reality, aswell as our everyday struggles a reality. That is what we should be critical of, rather than victims of it. Even well off victims who had more privileges than the rest of us ever will. No one deserves such a fate. I still crack jokes now, and again. Their naivety is something to consider, but I still feel some sympathy. I don't think they'd ever feel that sympathy for me, a poor man who would likely die without them knowing. Unlike them, where their deaths are constantly broadcasted over the news despite many other deaths happening around same time being ignored.
Yet that is a systemic issue, and I refuse to be disallowed to experience empathy. Not due to who they were, but seeing them as people. There are no monsters.. just people. They may not have realized how cruel the system their benefitimg from truly is, or they may not have cared. They may not have thought it would ever harm them. It did though.. and continues to harm many others. We can't dismiss that overlap. I can't relate to them in many ways, but in this I can. Death is something that unites us all as human beings. Preventable death.. even towards those we do not like, and who do not care for us; should still be upsetting. Please do not become desensitized, lest we become what we most detest.. what we wish to fight against. Becoming jaded is a defensive mechanism. While it can be useful, we need to remind ourselves to step outside of it once in a while. Jokes are fine, just not callousness. Don't lose yourself in it.
Oh lord I never saw that "captain crunch" one, that's too good
the story time of your near drowning and instantly joking about it 10/10
i think you are the first person with whom i really resonate on this topic
also just my two cents, this is not "eat the rich" material because their death didnt amount to anything
"eat the rich" means people taking power back from the rich, even by the means of killing
here that didnt happen at all, they just died on their own accord, and it didnt do anything aside from become drama to overshadow other news
Honestly, my main takeaway was anger at Oceangate for their reckless disregard for engineering standards and skirting of regulations, expecially their CEO, though of course he’s already paid for his part in things.
Your emotional maturity is so insanely refreshing to find in an online space. I love ur channel so much
The 19 year old WANTED to be there. The aunt was coming out trying to gather sympathy by saying that he didn't want to be there when the truth is he wanted to solve a rubix cube by the Titanic. He wanted to get in the Guinness book of World Records.
I really appreciate how measured ur videos are. I like watching the post drama reflections they help me process and detox from the overload one story gets
I think selective empathy is a very real thing. Even the people that said they felt bad for their deaths became targets of hatred and jokes. The news outlets suck, and I hate that this incident overshadowed the deaths of others who deserved endless sympathy and attention. But people today online seem incapable of having empathy or sympathy for someone that thinks differently from them, whether they're billionaires or not.
I, as a teenager, feared my father. He still never would have gotten me into this situation, beatings be damned.
I find it hard to feel THAT bad for the son, tbh.
Now i think about the concept of a horrendously made vessel only for rich people to purposefully get rid of billionaires.
I thought the son onboard was younger... knowing he was 19 years old alters my opinion a little, or maybe it's more accurate to say it adds another layer. I'm afab and went to a university with a 5:1 ratio of men to women and a major where it was easy to spend more than 100k a year that was one of the largest majors on campus. At the time I went, a couple of different rape cases around a few college-age, white, rich guys being caught in the act were all over the news. The judges argued they should be let off because "they have so much of their lives ahead of them"
And because of that argument and the inequality in which it gets applied, I think I'll now feel bitter about people caring about some other college-aged, rich, white guy dying
Those judges suck. No consideration for the victims and what was taken from them.
I felt bad for them at first. I was pretty sure they weren't going to be found alive. Submarines don't just go missing for no reason. But then the news just would not leave this story alone. It got shoved down my throat every time I checked the news for over a week and I was starting to get a bit tired of it. It felt excessive. There would have been plenty of more important topics to cover. And then the media started to shame us consumers for caring too much about this story. And that really pissed me off tbh. The arrogance of it. As if they were only reporting on it to please the morbid masses and not to line their own pockets.
unfortunately "don't let anyone encourage you to RUSH into..." is also hilarious
truly thankful for your videos and the way you're constantly able to put my thoughts into words
All it took was was a stupid 7 second video of the CEO with a stupid helmet on his head and a goofy smile on his face to make me feel bad for him too. Sure he made extremely horrible decisions, but you could tell he was so freaking proud of it. Reminded me of a child who thinks their naive deas are the greatest only to be met with utmost disappointment when they learn otherwise. Now these people are dead and his reputation is trashed for the rest of human existence.
i just finished reading jurrasic park and this reminds me of hammond (especially in the book)
Nah. He was genuinely a horrible and negligent person. He had been warned many times by many different people that his subs weren't safe. He sued an ex-employee for whistle blowing on his negligence.
Behind the B*stards did a short series in him. It is... a lot.
Duncan, you come to these topics late BUT thats probably the best way to do it.
let the crowd mentally die down. see how people are reacting. THEN form your opinions and remind us of some of the crazy shit we said a few weeks ago.
These really antisocial reactions from people thrive on the fact that they burn up so freaking fast, and fade out of the collective consciousness too quickly for mass remorse/reflection to be done.
Thank you for your videos, and please do not feel the need to apologise for being late to a topic. it could be a year later for all we care. we need to keep reminding the collective consciousness online that antisocial behaviour is counterproductive
So I worked in a hospital morgue during covid, we were overwhelmed with bodies. Just struggling each day to get people shipped out before the next ones came in. Seeing the paperwork from upstairs grow sloppier with every day as the nurses broke down bit by bit. We were recieving paperwork and toe tags for people who were still technically alive but the nurses knew to give up on. The morticians and I had to find something to joke about to keep burnout at bay in the face of all that death. The jokes got dark. When my husband was hospitalized with covid, the jokes got darker just so I could keep moving and working. I couldn't visit him in the hospital, I could only talk to him over the phone while the air pubs whished. I teased him mercilessly for pretending to be ok. I only let myself process it all once he was safely at home. When my aunt committed suicide via starvation, I had jokes that concerned people. If I were to die like these people did, I hope the memes are dark and dank. When faced with the horror of mortality, laughing at the absurdity of it all is the only way to face the world.
Fantastic video. With all the videos about the sub this one is totally a different angle and needed to be made
You know, whether or not the 19-year-old was excited to go, I still feel bad for him. His parents buying him such an expensive "gift" probably put a lot of pressure on him to go and try to be a good sport about it. Can you imagine trying to refuse a fun "activity" because you're scared after your parents paid 250K for it? And regardless, even if he wanted to go just as much of his dad, that's not exactly a crime worthy of the death penalty...
I found out about the incident from David Szymanski aka the guy who made Iron Lung a game about being trapped in a sub in a blood ocean. Apparently the sales for Iron Lung spiked after news of the missing crew aired.
I was introduced to the topic through my hyper-fixation on disasters and how they came to pass (so they can be avoided) and the first video had comments saying “this is how it should be handled, respectfully” and I was like “are other videos being mean about how the sub was built?!” It makes more sense now XD
In other words, when you found out someone your age was in the implosion, you suddenly felt empathy. As for your experience in Hawaii, since you were the one who experienced the near drowning, it was perfectly proper to laugh it off with the photo with the ironic sign. That's entirely different than gleefully joking about a tragedy where five people died.
Im not sure how to word this. But you truly capture the struggle of comprehending situations while having so much empathy you don't know what to do with. Im autistic and have 'pure empathy' or 'true empathy' i struggle with expressing myself and constantly feel the weight of others' emotions on top of my own. While hearing about this situation and the anger, sadness and humour in it all, I struggled to come to my own conclusion and how I felt about it, feeling like i had to come to a definite answer. Thank you for making me feel that it doesnt have to be so black or white. Your videos always contain an empathetic view and i love hearing your thought process.
i'm glad we can experience that process together then - 'so much empathy you don't know what to do with' is the perfect description of that indescribable feeling
I feel bad for the mom who has to go through not only the loss of two of the closest family members someone can have, but the survivors guilt she must feel! The aunt who said the teen didn’t want to go is actually estranged, so the mom refuted that he did want to be there. It was actually her ticket but she gave it up for a father/son bonding experience :(
This video is like a twitter counselor helping to sort out the discourse damage that happened while the situation was going on.
The first time I heard about the step son was through the context of someone else sharing a time where they coped with the death of a loved one in a way that might be considered unusual. I only knew that he went to the concert and thought people were giving him a hard time. Maybe he was in shock, maybe he and his step father weren't close. This is the first time that I'm hearing about him using it as a pick up line or being racist and this definitely changes my opinion of him. I can see an alternate timeline where I defended him online then had to take it back but it would have been too late. In short, I agree that we can all change our minds and news cycles are weird.