“The Icon Is Gone” - How Modern Media Hurts The Legacy Of NBA Superstars
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- čas přidán 20. 10. 2023
- In this clip JJ Redick talks to Rich Paul about the impact social media has had on today’s NBA Superstars led by LeBron James. And what it would’ve been like to have social media in the Michael Jordan era.
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Fascinating convo. Full ep here czcams.com/video/ODGQ4PHsE60/video.htmlsi=u7cXAPYgUrCP0uFy
Complain players are canonized then cry that you're not. What joke.
If you can’t see the klutch sports JJ reddick relationship you are crazy at this point. All the pseudo clever attempts to dampen the past are hilarious. The irony in calling the “old heads” sensitive during today’s times is so hilarious. JJ reddick embodies anti-intellectualism.
Here’s the thing you guys are missing … Lionel Messi played and is playing Sports in the same Era Lebron is playing in … A wide majority of people are putting him ahead of Maradona and Pelé … (Icons)
Lionel Messi is an Icon …
When all is said and done it still is about Mesmerizing levels of Skills (Magical) , incomprehensible numbers and WINNING .
He brought it on himself, he got a tattoo before he was 18 that said Chosen One😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
So many players Stars shine less because of the media coverage they gave this man.
JJ becomes apart of the big media and now has false narratives put in place so his podcast looks legit😂😂😂
I would like a chance to debate you on Lebron vs Jordan whenever you’re ready 🧁
What he said about the old heads is so true. They can criticize todays players all day, but the second they receive any little of criticism they get all up in arms and sensitive. 😂
1000% especially the part about how they protect each other from criticism
Please give examples. Cause every “old head” I see in the media is comfortable being criticized for past and present transgressions.
are you familiar with the Steve Smith and Jerry Jeudy's debacle? Although it's football, it's similar in my opinion...
@@ChrisJones-cn1ewwhen we remind y’all Jordan played more that 6 season in the nba
@@vittiriowashington5211the jerry jeudy situation was the worst example
“There’s too many opinions, and not enough knowledge” is lowkey a bar
First take.
Really? U that easily impressed? Hardly sounded profound to me
There’s no icons because there’s no mystery around these players anymore. We judge them on a minute to minute basis every single game. We know all their flaws and can’t build a narrative where they don’t have any. The negative things get highlighted because that what creates views. If an instagram page posts something positive about a player, it’s never just people reacting to the positive. It’s people either bringing up the negative or twisting that players postive moment to compare it to someone else and make it negative. Every single ”legend” was flawed and had terrible moments but they didn’t get judged on a game to game basis. Everyone talks about Jordan’s or Bird’s aura because there was mystery around those guys.
This is a really good point
Negativity definitely Sells, but credit to Rich for addressing it and breaking it down. He's spot on about the media destroying the legacies of great modern day players by creating false narratives . For example, they constantly criticise and magnify every decision and performance of lebron whilst simultaneously glorifying everything mj did. This is a dangerous and disgusting trend cause it doesn't give you the real picture and diminishes lebron's greatness. Imagine if mj's greatness was constantly questioned throughout his career for the absurd reason that he din't have as many rings as bill russell or total career points as kareem. That would have created the narrative that he underachieved and isn't as great as the other two, however that's exactlywhat the media is doing with bron's legacy. Btw even Mj had multiple nights where he shot 3or 4/16 and he even had a losing record of 219-228 in his first five years before scottie and phil jackson arrived, but you'll never hear about it in the media cause they have a bias towards players from the 80s and 90s. Bottom line is that ups and downs are part of the process in team sports and every single great player has struggled at some point, and found themselves in a bad team or had a bad series and that musn't overlook all the great things that they have achieved throughout their careers.
100% - everyone feared MJ because they can't see him 24/7 eating taco's etc.
the only way you got 2 see MJ was either once a week game, Sportscenter or VHS of mixtapes
Even the most liked pages also get a large number of negative feedback. Some are warranted, and some just for its sake, yet most still love them. What you just said has been life history and has always happened. The talks have moved from the living room, barber shop, playground, schools, etc, to now being online. same but different locations
And these players have podcasts while playing(not a bad thing)
I am forever impressed by how JJ can deliver a situation, explain his mental process and ask a question that YOU NOTICE, GENUINELY, makes the guest think and answer super honestly. Legendary interviewer in all levels.
Tommy is super good also. Great co-host
that’s his super power fr !! People come on the pod and answer honestly from the heart. no bs answers , just keeping it real. speaks to his energy and the environment he’s cultivated
he was a player, so he has empathy
Rich is spot on about the media destroying the legacies of great modern day players by creating false narratives . For eg. They constantly Criticise and magnify every decision and performance of lebron whilst simultaneously glorifying everything mj did. This is a dangerous and disgusting trend cause it doesn't give you the real picture and diminishes lebron's greatness. Imagine if mj's greatness was constantly questioned throughout his career for the reason that, he din't have as many rings as bill russell or total career points as kareem. That would have created the narrative that he underachieved and isn't as great as the other two. Btw Even Mj has had multiple nights where he's shot 3/16 and he even had a losing record of 219-228 in his first five years before scottie and phil jackson arrived, but you'll never hear about it in the media cause they have a bias towards some athletes. Negativity sells and that's why the media is spreading these lies about Bron. Bottom line is that ups and downs are part of the process in team sports and every single great player has struggled at some point, and found themselves in a bad team or had a bad series and that musn't overlook all the great things that they have achieved throughout their careers.
It helps a lot that he isn't just trying to be sensational like an ESPN or some of these other media houses
He's not lying. People to this day still bring up "lebron couldn't beat jj barea" 14 years ago and that same mavs team won over 60 games, swept kobe, beat durant harden Westbrook effortlessly. Lebron as a baby literally dismantled the pistons team by himself in the palace and nobody even mentions it. He did things none of the legends even remotely came close to but gets half the praise that someone might of gotten in the 70s 80s 90s. After that mavs series he with whoever you gave him made it to the finals for a straight decade. Team after team after team, Co player after Co player after Co player the guy is in year 21 about to demolish what we believed people do in their late 30s early 40s and it's like "oh ya cool" the guy is the goat. He's a legend. And because of all the media heads and click bait it's watered it right down. NVM 21 straight years in the media age and not even a parking ticket to his name. Let's run Jordan's private life through social media age.. Barkley... bird any of them and you'd see them snap in the first year with the media pressure. Jordan literally retired the 2nd time because the reports in news papers was to stressful on him
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It's because low BBIQ and low standards fans like you glorify "dismantling the Pistons". LeBron did things nobody came close to? WTF are you even talking about? Like what? Beating an aging team like the Pistons? On the flip side, LeBron doesn't even have a single 3peat, and got whooped by Carlos Arroyo, Ginobili and Spanoulis despite having an entire roster of Prime All-Stars.
LeBron's Finals appearances were via the weakest conference of all time. Who was he beating? PG13? DeRozan? Arenas? Low standard fans glorify Finals Appearances via the weakest Conference of all time.
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SAY IT LOUDER🗣️🗣️🗣️
Bron's been with the same woman since high school. He's raised 2 kids that have legit shots at the NBA, has never had an off court controversy. All while exceeding all expectations. What's the beef/hate for?
Because he's clearly the goat and they can't let go of nostalgia
@@jimmyjohns7866But his not THE goat MJ has a better resume 🤷♂️
@@to3sted248 haha sure buddy
@@to3sted248 love MJ! He would totally dominate the WNBA in today's game, his kids will make awesome physical therapists, and his ex-wife will do great things with all that money
@@jimmyjohns7866 there are young people who don’t think he’s the goat, so it has nothing to do with nostalgia
Love Rich, met him at a Cavs game, he’s a man of the people, very humble. Represents Cleveland well!
This convo had a lot of gems 💎 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Lebron’s legacy is being a good husband and father. He can have as many Championships as he wants but I see him more as a role model Champion for being a good father.
How this relates to the argument, is that that side of him is least visible and therefore better positioned to be put into canon.
That’s how you know LBJ isn’t the best tho. Everyone has to always bring up what he’s done outside of basketball…
@@PeePeeMilkshut up
@@PeePeeMilk 🧢, if longevity or versatility rank highly in your criteria, it makes sense he ends up as your GOAT.
@@benjaminan1183 Longevity has NEVER been what determined the goat, it's just the only argument Bron fanboys can make cos they know he's not really the goat.
Without even listening. This has affected all forms of entertainment. Like we won't ever see people fainting like they did with Michael Jackson.
I take it you've never been to a Beyonce concert?
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That’s because there isn’t another Michael Jackson 😂😂 I’m in my 20s and it’s still crazy how good he was
Same with actors and all arts across I think 😢
@@TOKYO9AIN true. True.
Great conversation thank you.
Yo this is absolutely needed
To me, Steph Curry is the perfect mix of an athlete who has a presence in pop-culture/social media. He's a generational talent who will make roughly $450 million (or more, depending on how long he plays) in NBA contracts and reportedly will make $1 billion from Under Armour (plus his numerous other endorsements) and doesn't shove his social media in our faces. His commercials are silly and self deprecating and his Instagram doesn't have this "LOOK AT ME" vibe that so many other players have. When I think about the high school kids of today who care way more about their social media and "highlights" and building their brand than they do playing their sport, it saddens me to know so many of those guys will flame out because they didn't put the work in. They might still end up with a lot of money, but I still consider it a failure that society allows this. These kids will learn nothing except that they can make money by being arrogant, egotistical, and making sure everything about is about themselves.
Steph Curry is as fake as they come.
Stands for nothing except his likeability rating...
Basketball is too successful for its own good
No one cares about their personal image because contracts already pay a crap ton. Losing still pays a crap ton.
No one cares about sponsors because contracts are already generational wealth
It’s all just ME ME ME. You can only find that in basketball today.
I HATE how they always acting like people are comparing Lebron to MJ just out the blue. Lebron WANTED the comparison it didnt favor him him now he is salty
Comprehension skills are a must. As well as thinking b4 you type
Bingo
This isn’t just basketball it’s everything. Internet and social media has created a saturation of content and a Less appreciation for the art in question. Nba for example will have to follow in the footsteps of futbol(soccer) and figure out how to build those stars into icons because the current system won’t work.
This has allways been the case from generation to generation. When i was growing up BEFORE Michael won rings elders were allways saying older players were better. Its a generational thing. The difference is that you have 24-7-365 social media where everyone has access to give an unwarranted or uneducated opinion.
He said on the interwebs. I love it.
10:27 "I never wanna be the smartest guy in the room"
I heard Neil Degrasse Tyson say that in a video I watched the other day. He actually said "If you're the smartest guy in the room, leave the room."
Seems like sound advice
i like the fact we all have an opinion but some ppl are so toxic and just can’t have debates w out ppl getting defensive or trying to discredit someone else’s opinion
An Icon is an image that is similar to a thing but a simplified version of it. A stick figure is an icon of a person. players today will be seen as more complete people and future fans will have more depth when looking back in history. But the history - when read will establish the icon of the player. as this will be the point where the player is separate form their image.
There was no social media in the past. So you were forced to go off what you see. Now you can manual maneuver the narrative where you’d like it to go. Lebron & klutch are great at planting seeds, manipulating narratives. So now you don’t have only the game to base your opinion on. If there was just basketball and nothing else to go on these modern players legacy would be completely different & not in a positive way. There’s such an advantage to 24/7 coverage as opposed to framing it as if it’s a burden lol
This is a very in the moment take. What happens when people retire. They get appreciated. The players will be canonised as you said
So funny how just observing the comment section under here you can exactly see what they‘re talking about
The sh!t is ridiculous isn't it?
The 80 and 90s players wouldn’t survive in this social media era 💯
Smh
That’s a dumb comment.
What makes you think they wouldn’t ?
MJ would have gotten slaughtered by social media if he played in this era lmao
@@hunter-zp2hf MJ was criticised by the media as well but you’re obviously too young to remember that. Yeah, he would be attacked nowadays too but why wouldn’t he survive was really my question.
I've never seen a WHOLE generation play victim. Whew.
Just as much criticism. More is available, but you don't see or hear it all.
Granted, it's interesting to look back on the controversial aspects of past players. I'm usually shocked because they're held in such high regard and their past mistakes are rarely brought up! Today's players' scandals and personalities and on-court flaws are so drawn out and are brought up and compared constantly.
There was no social media in the past. So you were forced to go off what you see. Now you can manual maneuver the narrative where you’d like it to go. Lebron & klutch are great at planting seeds, manipulating narratives. So now you don’t have only the game to base your opinion on. If there was just basketball and nothing else to go on these modern players legacy would be completely different & not in a positive way. There’s such an advantage to 24/7 coverage as opposed to framing it as if it’s a burden lol
The argument about no more icons is not very persuasive to me. As time goes on, 99% of what was going on in the league gets forgotten, and everything gives simplified into a handful of narratives. So don't worry. You just have to wait a while, before everyone in 2060 is talking about how. Steph, LeBron, and Joker were the only good players from this time.
The problem is y’all debate all day instead of reporting actual news. Y’all focus on 8 teams and 4 of them in 2 cities. Ofc everything is amplified because y’all only focus on 10 of 500 players
The other 490 players need to get good then.
@@kagani6202 nobody wants to hear about Lebron 24/7
Bingo. And you’ve found the problem. Money incentivized modern media.
@@epyon7773 rich is the last person I wanna hear from. With all due respect his takes have zero merits
@@kb24shortoreo21 why is that?
Gotta be honest I always thought Rich was just a Lebron Yes Man but I gained alot of respect for him in this interview
I kept thinking of Kyle Kuzma through this entire segment. ME ME ME ME ME ME
This man kissing people backside for a living and out here telling people how visionary he is 😂😂😂
If its so easy...
Most commentators hate on everybody and didn’t even play basketball a lot, jj is one of the few talk show ppl with iq
And I think he just appreciates the game and has a lot of respect for the players
You the biggest eater out here steve
@@youmightknowmelater1212that has nothing to do with ball washing and pandering a lie…
‘We are seeing icons go away due to a changing media landscape. Therefore let’s force a deconstruction of old ones to cope with changing times/situations across all forms of media which don’t allow us to have icons. If we don’t get to have icons, let’s deconstruct previous ones as a form of copium.’
- what basically goes on today
Shouts out to The Plain Dealer! Cleveland paper.
Magic Bird and Jordan there will never be another iconic players like them Jordan alone change dynamics of sports culture
What about Kobe n duncan
Change is the only constant: Yesterday, today and tomorrow. We all know it; what's discussed today will eventually be forgotten as the stories about Larry, Magic and Michael are diminishing...and about Kareem, Wilt and Cousy. News and/or sports consumption will always be shifting and evolving.
The real reason the icon is gone is the money. The player is driven not to win but by the money.
But they’re driven to win on tik tok
We don't have as many icons because mass media have less power, the information is spread out and ppl live in their bubbles on the internet.
These guys are a little bit older than me but forgot the power television and mass media had the last century, it does not compare to what we have today with social media where opinions are niched, you can find haters and fans all over the internet and they're in their bubbles. Mass media talks to everybody, it creates mass culture that reaches all tribes and foster public discussions + big media had so much public faith, different from now when everybody hates it.
We will never have a global icon like Michael Jackson again... not because there will never be someone as talented as him, but because mass media is on decline. The whole world used to turn on the television every night and watch the same shows, now there are thousands of entertainment options and thats something newer generations will never experience.
There was no social media in the past. So you were forced to go off what you see. Now you can manual maneuver the narrative where you’d like it to go. Lebron & klutch are great at planting seeds, manipulating narratives. So now you don’t have only the game to base your opinion on. If there was just basketball and nothing else to go on these modern players legacy would be completely different & not in a positive way. There’s such an advantage to 24/7 coverage as opposed to framing it as if it’s a burden lol
About Jordan's Era.. He spoke about being a rookie in Chicago and the whole team doing cocaine.. That would never be a shrug today!!?
Two very wise men
Rich Paul is so spot on.
Rich Paul using lame NLP tactics on the masses is fun to watch. They all fall prey lol
I honestly thought Rich Paul would be more articulate.
Lmao he can't come up with simple @ words
He said he was exhausted man's got a busy life I've seen him on other things and he was definitely more clear
@@jimmyjohns7866 Being tired doesn't suddenly lower your intelligence. FFS.
@@VVVY777 you go to meetings and flights and keep your clients up to date then go to a podcast and see how you feel goof
No more icons is right. Why work hard to be great, if you’ll get torn down or dismissed for being on the opposite side of an argument.
That is exactly what a young kid with no drive to be better will say in this world today to make an excuse not to work hard. Your the definition of what's going on with this world
90s players drive me crazy
Facts
FACTS!!!
I see what they're saying to an extent but we're still going to have icons i.e. Bron, Curry, Giannis, Jokic, Wemby, etc.
Thank you JJ! I'm tired of these gatdamn narratives!!😩🍻🍺lol
you mean like ALLLLLL the narratives LeBron has to find ways to bring him close to the GOAT which he can't even touch? Bronsexuals are the dumbest fanbase.
There was no social media in the past. So you were forced to go off what you see. Now you can manual maneuver the narrative where you’d like it to go. Lebron & klutch are great at planting seeds, manipulating narratives. So now you don’t have only the game to base your opinion on. If there was just basketball and nothing else to go on these modern players legacy would be completely different & not in a positive way. There’s such an advantage to 24/7 coverage as opposed to framing it as if it’s a burden lol
It’s not that deep. Just watch the game and enjoy who you enjoy man.
Sports will never be the same when Bron retires.
Lebron has lost six finals. No icon in any sport loses six finals. Basketball will be fine.
Correct. Because it'll be BETTER. He hasn't impacted basketball, let alone global sports, much at all. All he's shown is the impact of modern sports science on longevity. Props to him for that. But outside of that? Other players in his own era have done better.
You mean espn will never be the same once bron retires. Nba will be just fine
@@Daewonnnikids this is a comment when they let any dummy have a say 😂
@@00Mindi00 lmfao stop the cappppp that fact that y’all hate like this makes him a icon
I ain't even a huge Steph fan, but isn't he an icon? Beloved in the social media generation.
Lebron,Brady,Serena etc are the last icons in an old sense
Didn’t listen yet but saying this when you played a hand in the stories that the media put out about Westbrook is crazy..
I think Ja and Zion both had the chance to be that next “Icon” but I believe that is over now
Lebron has lost six finals. No icon in any sport loses six finals.
@@DaewonnniJerry West is the NBA logo, lost in the finals 7 times
excuse me 8 times
@@DaewonnniJordan lost more than he won also
Put the blame on ESPN who had instigated all of this by throwing false negative narrative about a player and the team who didn’t win a championship and all.
When you read a Malcom x book upside down in front of reporters. People gonna say something. The guy is an absolute clown fiesta.
Damn...how does Rich Paul keep getting off-topic from the original question lol. I don't even know what's going on anymore.
Master at spewing propaganda
The dude can speak... has a trusting personality, is he trusting? Probably not, but wont hold it against him.
it's all just fresh. lebron will ALWAYS be a polarizing figure, but that's because of who he gets compared to (note: nobody else gets compared to Jordan besides Kobe from Lakers fans). I guarantee you people will be giving Steph his flowers. there are still going to be icons. kd is called "the most lethal scorer ever" and Steph is already called "the greatest shooter". bron doesn't get called the greatest anything, but everyone knows he's the most constant force the NBA has had besides Jordan.
game is going to be fine. narratives will be fine. icons are still iconic.
How is he going to say he’s exhausted from Lebron Jordan convos, then proceed to talk about the same exact thing?
He didn’t talk about Lebron vs Jordan though…..
@@MnJ850 ikr. These smooth brain a$$holes have the IQ of a house fly.
That’s where ppl messed up at you not suppose to have icons
Don’t look up to ppl just respect they craft
Look up to yourself not the next man
It's kinda like when you learned wrestling is predetermined
The icons these days can become billionaires unlike in the past. So it’s a give and a take.
This guy is also small minded, in the aspect that he isn't afraid to not be some ones friend. He is full force playing 4d chess
NBA players have always been sensitive about being criticized. Jordan was getting criticized by Will, the old guys have always been criticizing the young guys. It's just funny that the young guys forget what it felt like when they turn into the old guys!
What is different though? Is the level of attention in amount of time spent on those criticisms. The clown like skip, who made his name by being the number one LeBron James hater, couldn't have sustained a career if he had started off like that 15 years earlier
The modern players curse will be and is the memory hole the net moves so fast that they will be forgotten so much faster
Shame but true
Was he dissing bron with that "Fake smart" comment???😂😂😂
Why would he be dissing LeBron when LeBron is the reason he even has a career?!.. That’s his agent
The irony of the old heads saying the new era is soft and then when they get criticized they're all up in their feelings about it saying the young kids are disrespecting them lol.
Old heads disrespect Bron because despite ring chasing his lost six finals. No icon in any sport loses six finals. Basketball will be fine.
You all need to see this from a wider scope. “Old heads” as you say, are people that have seen all of both. The problem is, people become personally attached to who they are fans of. It is factual that today’s game and players are softer. Because of the rules changes to appease younger fans the league and rules are different. The hate for LeBron is personal, not factual. Your love for LeBron is personal, if you think he’s the “greatest” player, that’s personal not factual. But social media today continues to keep the argument as an open debate because it gets clicks. When if fact neither are measurably anything.
This era is soft AF. Just look at LeBron, Durant, Harden, Embiid, etc. Soft ringchsers in their primes. Playing the metagame like sugarbaby 304s.
It's just my opinion, but players nowadays focus more on their image than the game they play.
Different era guys want to build their brands off the court nothing wrong wit it
Social media, podcasts, etc didn’t exist back then bruh. This opinion of yours has no logic to it. Completely different eras and different nba.
@@theroster906 you do know that they were mandated to
@@Tthakingit is something wrong with it when the game is suffering lol
@@diiii_mondback in the day it was radio and at best tv segments. It’s a myth that media didn’t exist until the word “social” was added
Him meeting lebron at an airport makes sense dude isnt that smart
Being hypercritical of every athlete will have people not appreciating them in real time. Players will have bad games even the great ones, and now if they do people come on TV or social media and say this guy sucks or isn't clutch smh
Nah y’all just making excuses. Watch and learn. Wemby will be the next icon. No excuses needed for him
When Rich said “please I’m exhausted” what he meant to say was I don’t have as many reason to prove my agent is better than MJ so the points I do have to make are annoying to push down everyones’ throat and hope they see where our side is coming from.
@@theroster906Kareem had the record before and wasn’t the goat, that doesn’t really mean anything and Mj also is the leader in career PPG so that means he scored more than lebron, lebron just played more minutes
@@Camefromnone he played less years so his career avg is going to be higher… and he didn’t pass
@@theroster906We do compare the two players. The all time leading scorer is a longevity stat, which is awesome. Guess what? You don’t play basketball to be the all time leading scorer.
Lebron on MANY occasions has said he plays for championships, and since that’s the case we MUST judge his resume accordingly.
Now if you want to use bill Russell as your goat, that’s fine. 11 championships in 13 years, the greatest defensive player ever I’m not arguing that.
If you want to use Michael Jordan, that’s fine. Undefeated, 6 championships, two three peats and 6 finals MVP’s.
Regardless who you want to choose the main point is……it AINT LEBRON 🤣. Bron CHOKED in the 2011 finals. That’s something you can never say about Russell or Jordan, automatically disqualifying Lebron James from being considered the greatest of all time. He is still an all time great, no doubt and has definitely lived up to the hype placed on him at 18 years old.
I excuse 2007, I’ll excuse 2014, I’ll excuse 2015, we ALL excuse 2017 and 2018. But 2011?? No excuse. It’s the finals, you have the better team, you’re the best player between BOTH teams, and he folded. Period.
The GOAT don’t fold when all the chips are on the line, he rises above and stands tall.
Bron isn't better than Jordan. It's ok to be number 2 Rich. It's ok.
Also Rich isn't Faulk. He is catching L's on multple sides lol
@@BucNasty32 what does Jordan do better than Lebron other than score ? And don’t give me some biblical answer
You can absolutely become an icon these days, even in the age of social media. LeBron (Who I believe is an icon) feels like he doesn’t get the same love as someone like Kobe or MJ & he’s obviously salty about it. He wants this concrete formula that will cement how people will view him & you either have it or you don’t. Kobe didn’t care if people liked him & MJ strived to be the best obviously, but he never in essence won & then turned around & said, “Do you love me now? Am I the G.O.A.T. now?” He cares WAAAY too much what people think of him & IMO, it hinders how fans view him
He basically saying icons is dead because these players nowadays are so accessible you can interact with them on social media ,you can afford to go to these nba games with good deals,everyone have access to a tv to see these players..so when we as the fans of the game have so much access to them we get used to them
@@bandhunta5197 They don't have to use social media as much as they do
Lebron doesnt have the stroy book career of MJ and is nowhere near as charismatic or charming.
There was no internet when MJ played. Him and guys like Michael Jackson were larger than life. It’s hard for people born after 1995 to understand just how massive Michael Jordan was. LeBron lives in a segmented world where there are more revenue streams and ways to brand. Neither is good or bad it is what it is.
Steph Curry is an icon. Nothing negative about him
5:34 i think this gonna become more relavant when lebron leaves the game, i can see a lot of kids getting held to that near unobatinable standard both on and off the court.
Bro you dating an icon, da fuq. Has it been dampen, yes. But mofos still lose they mind over ANYBODY who look like they moving up in the world. His boi has handled in extremely well
He’s a dumbass. It’s convenient for him to say that.
If jordan played in this social media age he would have gotten slaughtered by the media
The "old heads" were about business. Took there job serious. Cussed at each other. Beated up on each other to show dominance. And at the end of the day if they lost they walked over and shook the opposing teams hand like men. These players nowadays are out here dancing using social media to show there spoiled public life. Complain about everything even tho there making all this nonsense money. There baby soft whining kids. So how can the world give them an icon image? They do it to there self. Jordan was about business in practice. Business in games. Work ethic and his heart outshine any other player. The way Jordan dunked. The way he passed. Blocked a shot. Played defense.. you can tell hes playing from his heart with everything he got and that is what people notice . Are amazed by. Terrified by. And the fans and everyone around the world see and paint Jordan in there mind as an icon.
@@jheiny1231 I agree they players are definitely more spoiled and things if that nature now. With flopping and complaining that's the way the game has went and every players does it every game now. I'm more talking about the background and things the players did behind the scenes and off the court back then that would be looked down on and frowned upon and brought to light if the social media spotlight was back then how it is now.
Lol. He wouldn't have given a crap....like sensible men wouldn't give a crap. Keep harping on social media you participation medal pansy mumble rapper wannabe.
Modern media doesn’t “hurt” the legacy of superstars…. We just have more things to do than glorify people who play sports unlike years ago where you watched games on tape delay! Is JJ Reddicks podcast “hurting the legacy” of TV sports media or is he just one of the new many options we have now?
Did you only watch half the video. He literally said "Too many opinions, not enough knowledge." I don't think anyone can argue that point
There was no social media in the past. So you were forced to go off what you see. Now you can manual maneuver the narrative where you’d like it to go. Lebron & klutch are great at planting seeds, manipulating narratives. So now you don’t have only the game to base your opinion on. If there was just basketball and nothing else to go on these modern players legacy would be completely different & not in a positive way. There’s such an advantage to 24/7 coverage as opposed to framing it as if it’s a burden lol
@@kembryembry3394 please give an example of klutch" planting thr narrative "
Man I’m 30. All these press runs to beg for Goat status brons media team and fans need to just let it go. Most publications and general fan polls have MJ as the GOAT. Let it go it is a wrap Lebron is a legend but to most he will never catch MJ
Rich Paul is very inarticulate I would think he’d have better training before this recent media tour he’s been on.
Not equating articulation with intelligence but it makes him seem pretty dumb.
2:32 Top 13*.
Win on the same team. For over half a decade or more without leaving that team and I promise you. I promise you. You will have a new icon. Steph is a icon for wining. Real winning in the same team. Lebrón is a icon for being a great father and husband not winning. You didn’t want to make this about lebrón but you did. You’re offended because you think lebrón should be number 1 all time. He’s not because he left teams when it got rough every time. Even though he has a crazy physical body and height but he never actually dominated anything except for Father Time. Michael Jordan, Kobe, Steph Curry. Those are icons of the game. Y’all are my age and yall sound are the reason why people out age get a bad rap. Complaining about why old heads get respect and yall don’t get it from them. Respect your elders is a real thing. But you guys just can’t and don’t see how social media has changed you all as players and ex players. Don’t believe me? Notice how Michael, Kobe or Steph never say anything negative about the current or previous players and don’t ask verbally for respect. They got it done on the court through their play. Like Charles said shut up and play basketball. Or shut up and dribble.
Very hypocritical conversation. We chastised athletes so long for the lack of concern about business and life after basketball now they judging them for caring too much. Those three things that he mentioned are not all it takes to make you money in the NBA. Im sure Grant Hill did everything the right way. An injury robbed him of his prime. Or what about the big men that were coming into the league and all of sudden the game changed to a guard dominant 5 out game. Andre Drummond was a monster for a few seasons now he is a role player. Never heard anything bad about him. Josh Smith was scolded for being a tweener. Now small forward and power forward are interchangeable. Im glad these young guys care about their brand cause once the league is done w you, you better have your own fanbase to rely on.
imagine making a billion dollars for playing a child's game, being globally famous, and receiving tons of awards. and imagine after all that and being called the second greatest player of all time, having to send your buddies out to the media to complain about receiving too much criticism. What a bunch of babies.
Lol, they're a part of the same business that they're criticizing. The game has changed. We will have to evolve with it.
I personally don’t want the game to change. I want it 90s n 00s style.
This dude says he is LeBrick biggest critic????? BRO didnt finish 12th grade ..
Could this guy make any more excuses for Lebron. The media and social media are helping your man get more attention, endorments, and money in general. Jordan has the biggest brand and name despite not playing in the social media era. Kobe is more beloved and respected than Lebron and his championship runs ended at the beginning of the social media era. Lebron has benefitted from his era so stop making complaints and excuses.
The legends are gone because these are all people not legends😂
Golly! The reason LeBron is not an icon LIKE HE CLEARLY WISHES TO BE is because HE overpromised and underdelivered. Sounds insane? LeBron is the only one who repeatedly attempt to say he's the greatest of all time. LeBron is the one who, instead of just being his badass self, consistently invoked "the Ghost" and other players/eras claiming he was better. Like Jeff Van Gundy said: "Comparison is the enemy of joy." Now we got Rich Paul himself out here with a bucket, carrying water for LeBron because Shannon Sharpe and Nick Wright as well as all the ex players who get the talking points sent to them in the group chat were not enough to coerce us into giving LeBron what he wants, apparently.
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Building your own biased narrative I see. You fools in the comments let this conversation go over y'alls heads just for the sake of trolling or hating.
you new nba guys have no mystique just boring thats the problem MJ kobe they had mystique wasnt trying to be in every movie or at every game or at every musical concert wit drake an adele etc or at every album release party he wasnt an A&r or a podcaster he was a ball player and the greatest of all time solidified
6 finals loses. Wtf are we talking about lol
RP : we don’t wanna be like mike… Lebron : got 23 the powder at the start of the game space jam and so on 😂💀… = trying to catch a ghost
Only thing that could possibly back up what u saying is space jam. Ngl I’m a bron fan and that was OD. Anything else I can’t go for Mike ain throw the powder up n bron a tell u he wears 23 because of MJ not because he wanna be like MJ. Just paying homage
You must be a child because you definitely lack understanding of the situation. These guys broke it down so simple and you fanboys are stuck on stupid and can't get past the hate you have for someone that's not your favorite player
Never wanna be the smartest guy in the room 💯has nothing do with your own intelligence
Sign of the times the hater generation is empowered
Exactly
I feel,you … but when our say you chasing the ghost of MJ you open the door
HOW ABOUT GUY ONLY MAKES SHOTS
IN THE FIRST HALF; OF GAME 4?
AND GETS HIS BUCKETS WITH OFFENSIVE FOULS
Larry bird was the best shooter of his time. That’s why the idea that he wouldn’t be a top 5 3 point shooter is so blasphemous to his fans. There’s more to it than a simple numbers breakdown
Game 7 nba finals 2 seconds left you need a 3 pointer you want bird or Steph taking it ?
New season, new batch of excuses, gotta love it lol
There was no social media in the past. So you were forced to go off what you see. Now you can manual maneuver the narrative where you’d like it to go. Lebron & klutch are great at planting seeds, manipulating narratives. So now you don’t have only the game to base your opinion on. If there was just basketball and nothing else to go on these modern players legacy would be completely different & not in a positive way. There’s such an advantage to 24/7 coverage as opposed to framing it as if it’s a burden lol
Thats why u cant talk bad about lebron. And all the media giving him excuses for all his failures and make him a role model. Who cares if a basketball player is a good father, I and family man. Barkley used to critic him and bron went personal with him on internet to bash him. Is this cool paul?