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Shoulder Pain with Swimming: Simple Way to Stop & Self Correct
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- čas přidán 28. 10. 2015
- Famous Physical Therapists Bob Schrupp and Brad Heineck present a simple way to stop the shoulder pain that occurs with swimming.
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This is the best 1980’s video I have ever seen.
It is important to note: if you breathe to one side (mainly) then the other side is put into a more strained position. I was lazy in practice, almost always breathed to the right and my left shoulder got bursitis. Try to break this bad habit and alternate breathing.
Exactly I got the same problem can you say what you have done and helped your self over
i think its not that. I got an injury when I tried to do unilateral. years of doing one side no injury. its imperfect stroke..i think.
72 and I swim 3-4 times/week. Read Total Immersion. I relearned swimming stroke 4 years ago and this book shows me all the nuances of swimming correctly and with no injury. PT guys did miss the rotation and techniques to use the larger muscle groups rather than the tendoned connectors for propulsion.
Total Immersion! I was trying to remember the name of that system: thank you!
The Effortless Swimming channel did a really thorough description of ~5 types of poor mechanics based on a … 1980s? 90s? study of elite athletes’ poor shoulder mechanics plus their own observations of ordinary swimmers.
This is amazing. I went to the pool today. ZERO shoulder pain. That was exactly my problem. Thank you
Thank you! A thousand thank yous! I am a 74 year old swimmer with bicep tendonitis and an RC tear. These suggestions are great!!!
Thank you so much guys!! I've been in pain (shoulder) and finally I know the reason...poor mechanics in my swimming. I really sppreciated your time in doing these videos.
This is a great explanation, I have shoulder pain on my left side every time I swim and just to see on your video how the shoulder pinch the pen, it made me realized I'm totally doing that mistake, its not much about resting my shoulder from swimming is about to have a good technique, definitely will look for those bobbles, thank you so much guys you are awesome..!
This biggest thing to Prevent should pain is to have good catch and pull technique. But also just as important is to make sure your body rotates so you’re not swimming flat like your skeleton when the pen is being pinched. Swimming flat on the water will definitely cause shoulder pain
You guys forgot that a correct free style stroke includes body rotation and elbow up precisely to avoid impingement
Maybe that's why they're certified swim coaches as their 2nd job! A million things in swimming can screw the shoulders up (alignment/body taughness/core strength/kicking...blah blah...). Anywho, very well done guys!
Wow! I tried this today and it helped me out so much, 0 pain! Thank you so much!
The point of not crossing the midline still stands.
Hi Ismael rotating the upper body can it cause neck injury? Especially while breathing in and out
Thank you very much for this. I have been distance swimming and been worried about this. I will use the bubbles and study my technique. Thank you.
This is EXACTLY what's causing my shoulder pain. Thanks 👍
You’re welcome 😊
You guys are the best kind of helpful goofballs. Thank you so much. One thing I think is important to add is warm-up exercises to loosen the tendons before jumping in the pool. Do agree that is important as well as mechanics?
Just swim easy and slow for your warm ups.
I also like mixing in all four strokes-especially back with the free-, and fitting in a bit of kicking or dolphin leg/core work… (even though I am horrible at kicking) just to round my swims out as a bit more full body workout.
And I highly advise checking out a more complete video by effortless swimming on the subject of 5 common mistakes that can lead to shoulder impingement (pain):
czcams.com/video/yn2mthu5mRY/video.html
Thank you. 52 year old swimmer here. Shoulder problems -- especially as I was trying to lose some belly fat. Will check if I am crossing over or not and will work in some breast strokes to warm up. Thanks again.
Always so helpful and a joy to have nice people who really care helping us - thank you!!!
I know you guys joke around at times, but I serious like it and the information is really helpful especially whenever your training for a triathlon
Just want to thank you for your info in your swimmer's shoulder pain videos, crossing the mid-line in my stroke and the exercises to relieve impingement...thought I was going to have to stop swimming...disaster since it helps with my arthritis and keeping my weight down at 63. I did the exercises and watched my stroke...one day and no pain during, little sore after but no grabbing pain like before, thanks so much B&B most famous and generous to share such life changing knowledge.
You are so welcome!
Bob
Checkout the video on 5 common mistakes from Effortless Swimming channel:
czcams.com/video/yn2mthu5mRY/video.html
It’s got good graphics & tips & drills… just not as funny a “model” as Napoleon Bine-apart…. 😆😆😆😆
Great Video! Thank you 🔥👏💪🫶
Happy Birthday, Brad
You and Bob do a great job
Thank you so much
You're most welcome
Thanks for the valuable tip... I will try this.
LOL Napoleon Bone Apart 😂 I like that joke
I love alternating between freestyle and backstroke when lap swimming. Anatomically speaking, does the backstroke wear on the shoulder joints and muscles the same as the freestyle stroke, only counter-clockwise?
I wish I saw this before I gave up swimming about 5 years ago. I hurt my shoulder (probably rotator cuff) doing flat bar bench presses several years ago. Any thoughts on how these can be related?
Very helpful video and yesss.. I cross over my arms... ugh..! gotta work on that.. my pain is in the back of my shoulder when I glide, meaning stretching up my arms to the front, but I just learned why... I'm pinching my tendon... make sense..! Thank you
great video guys! thanks! now I realise what causes the pain on my shoulder. thanks once again!
Cool Informationen thanks
thanks. I just had total disc replacement two level c5/c6/c7 and swimming is recommended.
Do you think shoulder flexibility plays a roll in swimmer’s shoulder? If so then what flexibility exercises should I be doing that won’t aggravate impingement?
From lifting weights as a beginner, to swimming. I've had to learn the hard way that knowing how the scapula can "get in the way" so to speak is very important.
I had really bad shoulder pain so I only did breadtroke for months, then I got knee pain
Happy birthday brad :D 15/10/2022
Most pools have a line or some sort of a pattern that make it obvious if you are crossing the centerline, but the bubble tip is a good one for open water.
Amazing advice.. thanks for always explaining the mechanics!
Good advice. Will implement this and see how it goes.
Good luck with this. :)
BODY/TRUNK ROTATION prevents/minimizes impingements. It's the biggy. Novice simmers swim flat like a pizza box. Olympic swimmers rotate the trunk, taking the pressure off the shoulder in the recovery (over the top of the water) phase of the stroke. And crossing over as you mentioned. If you are swimming outdoors you can see your stroke shadow and monitor is you are crossing over that way. Or you can swim close to the lane line and track your reaching out by brushing the lane line with your extended arm.
This looks like some good info
wow. This was actually super helpful! I am going to look for the bubbles today and see if this trick helps me out too
I did competition swimming and my best stroke was my back stroke. When I was swimming hard my shoulder would always dislocate and now I can't use any strength at all or it pops out and back in and hurts like hell.
Thanks! I really learnt much from you guys, and will be sharing where needed.
You also helped a poor bloke like me save money and time running around visiting physicians who may not be able to help.
Cheers!
Hmm... how does it work with body rotation while swimming free style? I was taught not swim flat and always rotate my body for every stroke. How to avoid shoulder pain?
My shoulder always hurts whenever I dive something is wrong with it. Now that I look at this it might be because my arms aren't straight when diving into the water but I've never really noticed it if thats what my problem is
“Try this one simple trick to treat shoulder pain.”
The first time this sentence has ever been true online.
It is really good to see this video not only helpful for my shoulder but also feeling good to see such a fun with happy birthday cake!!!
guys u have helped me so much thanks many thanks
very useful, thank you guys!
Can I use a breast stroke as therapy for my RC injury? (Capsulitis)
Serious question, how is this demonstration comparable using a dummy on a flat solid surface to a swimmer in water? What is the safe angle that the body should roll in order to prevent shoulder injury? Reason I ask is because I've seen this brought up several times and all the demonstrations are done on a flat solid surface.
You can enter your arm front at your shoulder ,and keep rotation ,and it is better enter front in the middle ,and also rotate your shoulder
Thank you.
Very helpful as I have been experiencing pain in my left shoulder which is my weak side, so any tips on balancing out the load will be appreciated.
I can do bilateral swimming, but have noticed my right arm doing most of the legwork.
Checkout a similar but more complete video by Effortless Swimming on 5 common mistakes leading to shoulder pain. He’s got good graphics & tips as he breaks down 3 issues from a study done 20 years ago and 2 from his clinic’s experience teaching swimming to adults.
Thank you
Since you mentioned it. Can you guys do this for golf?
Hello doctor my right hand shoulder is paining to much because during swimmimg i take a heavy stroke so please give some remedy hight hand shoulder is paining and i am unable to swim from my right hand now plz give suggestion
Thank you so much!!!!
This was neat to see, but there is a much more complete video on 5 common mistakes swimmers make that can cause shoulder impingement (leading to pain):
czcams.com/video/yn2mthu5mRY/video.html
In the video, he summarizes into plain English three mistakes from a study of elite swimmers 20 years ago and adds two more from swimmers at their clinics who didn’t grow up as competitive swimmers. He’s got good graphics and drills or tips for improving your technique for safety.
how about breastroke technic? i cant avoid bringin the arms together i often have to stop my training coz of the pain in neck shoulders😪
Great simplified advice! i will definitely pay attention to it! however i have a question.. Supposing that one does not cross the midline, won't the internal rotation of the hand (it is taught that the palms should enter the water thumb first) still set the shoulder in a weakened position?
I have noticed that for me personally, what helped with my impigement was rotating my thoracic spine to give the shoulder more space to move..
Love you guys!!
Was looking back at older videos. Brad, how many blue shirts do you have? Nice color on you! Kidding! Nice job again guys. From your new OT friend.
Happy birthday Mr Brad. I am very fat , so to lose weight I have been swimming for one to two hours. They have us dog paddle.My arm
and neck do hurt.
Cool, nice thing to know, since I have pain in basically anything that have joints, shoulders, elbows, knees... I'm experiencing elbow pain from underwater movement, and I'm talking about simply staying still, but floating - Head outside water, legs under, arms moving like an oar. Its really frustrating, I'm 30 and I feel this kind of pain from lot's of activities that demand effort. I'm okay with shoulders for now, can you give me some advice on elbows? I couldn't find any video of yours that deal with this kind of pain/injury. Thanks in advance!!!
physicaltherapyvideo Well, thanks anyway, thumbs up for the video, I learned a lot with your video
am feeling pain when i pull dow from top to down not the move that you do from down to above
I get shoulder pain when treading.
Just asking i attempted free style yesterday I heard the pop in my shoulder and my shoulder started to pain its been a day its still paining so will the pain go away in sometime or will it stay like this can anybody please inform me
Ow! See a physical therapist, doctor, or chiropractor if it’s still hurting! Especially if you dislocated your shoulder somehow, you need professional medical attention. Even if it’s just something else that hasn’t happened before, you’ll want to find out what is wrong before too much more exercise that could exacerbate things.
Good luck. Injuries stink when they get in the way of keeping yourself active.
nice ! .it really helps me . thanks doc ;)
now i can talk in front of my friends with your video ;)
Excellent!!
Glad you think so Elaine :)
@@BobandBrad I had a shoulder impingement for 1.5 years. I swam with the Masters and had never had a lesson in my life. Was swimming 2 miles, 3 times per week and was told if I kept crossing over like that I would have shoulder issues. Sure enough.
Video says start doing breast stroke as it does not stress shoulder as much. Me gets injured doing the breast stroke 🤦🏿♂️
Did he say “anyways”?
I was swimming for about 3 hours and i was fine at first but about 3 to 5 hours later my arms, shoulders and hands started to hurt
Jose Aguilera yeah me too, but I only swam for 30 minutes so it's kinda weird
Hi Bob & Brad, Your video is super helpful. I'm 54 and started swimming 7 weeks ago and as you can imagine I have shoulder pain in both shoulders and pain and soreness in the upper thigh ligaments nearing the groin, (I assume this is from repetitive movement in the legs with breast stroke). Please help! This is the only exercise that has been recommended to me since I have nad 2 neck surgeries and also have disc problems. I'm at a loss. I don't want to give swimming up because I love it!! Impact exercise is out for me obviously !! LOL
Take it slow and ease into more swimming overtime, I’ve been swimming for about two years now, started with just doing five round trips in a 25 m pool, and Now two years later I’m doing 3.5 miles in a pool nonstop, 250 round trips. Go slow at the start and ease into it overtime. My back hurt a lot at the beginning, but not hurting at all anymore. Keep your chin up
@@brandenhazlet3045 Thank you so very much!! Your videos are very helpful!!
Checkout the effortless swimming video on 5 common mistakes that can lead to shoulder pain (impingement):
czcams.com/video/yn2mthu5mRY/video.html
If you’re still swimming and still having shoulder issues, the last two are maybe very relevant, as they are from his clinic’s experience with swimmers who began as adults.
proper
But, I’d also highly recommend taking some adult lessons or rec center / YMCA / masters lessons /fitness swimming training under the eye of an instructor or coach.
A) They’ll help you learn proper form and proper techniques.
B) It’ll really help if you can learn all four (or more) strokes AND learn to breath on both sides -& properly: you’ll get a more diverse muscle workout and also have more more fun.
PS If you have trouble finding an instructor, try finding videos online, at the library, or via web dvd order for Total Immersion swimming technique. It’s a step by step teaching technique with lots of drills and focused on good form, mechanics, and a “flow” mentality to swimming.
Hi doctors,
Great video. I had pain in my left hand shoulders after swimming. Doctor said there is no dislocation and advised 10 days rest with some medicines after examination of my shoulders with x ray. I had shoulder dislocation on my right hand and it was operated 10 years ago. Currently i dont have any problem with my right hand but i have pain in my left had shoulder. Could you please advise if i will be able to swim in future or not.
How r u now ? Are u able to swim pain free?
@@vivianeraw8448 Hello doctor
No I am not. I still feel the Crack sound. The doctors couldn't find any problem in MRI.
@@misquith06
M so sorry to hear that
maybe its your technique crossing arm
I Saw a video
Thé PT expplained well how shoulder function i ll leave a link below
Maybe you should sée à good PT or swimcoach to juge your technique and correct it
I m going through shoulder tendinites just resting my affected shoulder i do only flutter kicks with fins and under water diving dolphin kicks back stroke and crawl with on arm using fins
Bob and Brad PT
czcams.com/video/u77z9sDUwh4/video.html
@@vivianeraw8448 Thank you so much doctor.
Happy birthday have a lovely day love from Rachel yorath
doesnt work for competitive swimming :(
Check out the 5 common mistakes leading to should pain / impingement from Effortless Swimming
czcams.com/video/yn2mthu5mRY/video.html
It’s got even better graphics than Napoleon Bone-apart ;m(😆 although not as funny…)
Real life Bert and Ernie
A whole lotta nuthin
sorry guys but with exception of breaststroke warm up this is really pointless for me i dont cross my line still have shoulder pain will have to look for some more elaborate explanation
Squared up shoulders will guarantee shoulder injury. Rotation is crucial and do not drop elbows during the stroke. Good luck!
*flips headphones*
They are talking about 'swimmers' who have no technique at all. And they show they don't know how to swim. The totally forget one thing : free style (and back stroke) is about body rotation - which totally avoids the problem they are talking about !
They should quit talking about swimming.