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Messi v Ronaldo.
Messi v Ronaldo.
Messi v Ronaldo. - Hry
300 comments in one hour…
Please don’t hurt me😂
Don't worry, it'll be quick
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lol
I'll Protect you big man
you knew this was happening lol
Never thought i would watch a 10 min video of Phil Foden in a Burnley kit talking about Messi and Ronaldo
Yeah Phil Foden has some good stats this year,7 goals in 27 games,2 assists with man city,so maybe he might get ballon dor 2024 and legacy like messi and ronaldo. Whats ur thought?
@@shivammange4143i think u misunderstood the comment
@@shivammange4143 what?
I know i was just kidding man😂😂😂😂😂😂relax
@@shivammange4143if you’re kidding, be funny then.
Shame these two’s careers never really took off
Indeed, imagine if they took football seriously😂
I don’t get the joke here
@@nont18411 what joke?
@@BenDover_.how did their careers never take off?
@@user-pb8gu3np6iIts because their careers REALLY took off
managing less than 120 minutes per goal over your ENTIRE career is insane bro.
doing that in in your peak years alone is mad, but 2 players doing that over 2 decades is hard to wrap my mind around.
There has never been such a forced debate, simply by watching each one play you realize the very different level each one is at, with the little man being the biggest of all. 🐐♾️
Average kid who started watching football in 2018😂
@@JeffkReina Ronaldo does things that can be done, but he does it more frequently than any other player that isn't Messi.
What Messi does is not something people can replicate.
@@kayenat10 correction!!!
no one can do anything impossible
The fact that a human did it means that it’s possible. So Ronaldo and Messi’s legacy can be achieved with a good enough dedication. Also ppl that normally say, “It’s was never a debate” only said that because of recent times and the World Cup of course.
But I’ll say that it was actually a debate, at least at that time. If you watched them earlier in their career you would know. Ronaldo made a massive comeback from 1:4 ballon d’ors to 5:5 ballon d’ors. To the point where he almost surpassed Messi if not Modric in 2018.
That’s why when I hear ppl saying that it was never a debate I just know that they started watching football recently😂.
The truth is that Messi won at the end but as for the debate, it was a very valid debate.
Ronaldo really put up a good fight and proved himself a worthy opponent and he’ll always have my respect for that.
But I’ll end this by saying, “There’s honor in everything, even in defeat”.
I hope you didn’t misunderstand my harmless opinion tho.
@@kayenat10stop treating messi like a god dude,anything can be replicated with practice and dedication
@@user-ji3yk3my2j I'll believe it when I'll see it
To throw my two cents in I think we all should accept Teemu Pukki as the de facto goat since his name literally translates to goat in Finnish.
Debate settled 😤
The only correct answer in the GOAT debate
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I disagree.
Its a shame you people have forgotten about Lord Bendtner. The only true king of football.
I can agree to that
True football fans love both players and appreciate their greatness.
I agree
@@Vizeh agree on what??😂😂They were never equal.Its social media and the ballondor award that made this a big thing
@@ALIENGOATMESSI you are exactly the opposite of what he described
@@ALIENGOATMESSIwdym "agree on what"? Is reading too hard for you? Take it one word at a time buddy
@@ALIENGOATMESSI people like you are exactly what makes this debate so toxic, go troll somewhere else kid
ronaldo fans do more damage to ronaldo than messi fans
“Basketballs a close second”
Literally a second later
“Nothing comes close”
I’ve been a die hard Messi fan since early middle school. The stuff Messi has done is nothing short of magical. I don’t hate CR7 but Messi has this way of making you question what you just saw.
exactly what i think. Messi does things that no other person on the planet can do including ronaldo. he is magical
Bro just watch young skillful cr7, despite being a player of hight stature and hight center of mass unlike Messi,he was still incredibly skillfully with the ball.
@@ShauryaSingh-tn8etBro is 1.87m, not Peter Crouch or Jan Koller.
His dribbling was impressive all by himself, not because hes taller than average.
And yes he was effective - comparatively
I still how the f*ck cristiano scored that free kick vs arsenal, ong ranger vs porto just to name a few. So that logic doesn't make sense. U like messi so u think that
@@karthiks6394 the way messi weaves in and around multiple world class defenders at once then just pokes the ball past the keeper making it look all too easy, putting fear into the eyes of everyone around him is magical. The clip of messi being subbed on and Simeone knowing it's over for Atleti really sums it all up. (He then went on to win the game for Barca from behind if u don't know)
Problem with this debate is that 95% of people who have an opinion of it have never watched more than 5 games of each player in a season, 90% will have never watched a full 90 minutes with these guys at club level.
98% is of people who are extremely biased (especially messi fans) Ronaldo fans too
If you watched their games Messi was the far better technically gifted football player
Yea people take few moments of them out and use it to describe their whole game. Watching a full 90 minutes of them consistently in my time, messi is far more game changing than Ronaldo. He is the one on the pitch dictating the game. Loose sight of him for a second and the balls already in the goal. Ronaldo is also extremely dangerous, but no where as close as Messi. Messi has his playmaking and his dribbling and his goalscoring to watch out for. No disrespect to Ronaldo but it’s not really that close
visibly a ronaldo fan@jacobalexander4167
@@jacobalexander4167 Stats say Messi eye test definitely say Messi. I don't understand when you say especially Messi fans as its pretty clear they watch football and understand who's the better of the 2. The fact we are even having this debate shows biased from Ronaldo fans aka (you). Ronaldo is second best we should accept that he played his heart out and was dominate for 20 years, but Messi glitch in the system and watching him play has proven forget stats.
Both are legends, and I’m glad I witnessed both of them in my lifetime. Both are amazing people as well, they might’ve made mistakes in the past, but they’re both a good example of determination and honesty.
Determination yes, honesty? No. They’re both Tax frauds and well… Ronaldo wasn’t allowed in the US for years because of his actions.
@chardy8683 Everyone evades taxes, especially rich people in countries with high rates. Neither Messi nor Ronaldo do their own accounting, and they probably don't know shit about taxes either.
@@chardy8683lol if you had any money you’d do the same. But i guess we’ll never find out, because you have a loser’s mindset, all bitterness and helplessness.
@@chardy8683tax fraud is awesome 🎉
Ronaldo isn't a legend without the World Cup. How is one a legend without winning the pinnacle of all trophies
Saying messi hasnt adapted his playing style is wild 😂 and show's who has and hasnt watched his games
dude he went to a billion dollar team and didnt win anything
What are you talking about???? Thats nonsense mate @@oj6633
@@oj6633won the World Cup 🤷♂️
@@MM-jc7uvdidnt know FC Argentina is a billion dollar squad
@@oj6633he was there for like 2 seasons and got 2 titles
We kept pushing each other.
-Cristiano Ronaldo
100%
I don't need anybody to push me I push myself
- Cristiano Ronaldo
he keeps contradicting himself
he said that?@@BiggestBirdonMars
Ronaldo is obsessed with Messi and has an inferiority complex. Messi doesn't give a fuck about him.
Some fanbase are not gonna like this video
I prefer not to speak
Haven’t finished the video but penaldo fan girls are gonna go crazy
@@TheCommentor- mate im Messi fan
@@TheCommentor-why you gotta say penaldo for what he did to you 😂
Let them. 😂😂😂😂
The fact that Messi has 100 more MOTM with 100 less games shows how much better player messi is.
Nuh uh my new videos proves ronaldo better
Messi >>>>penaldo😂😂@@Paradox_AMpremium
@@Paradox_AMpremiumagreed
The easiest way to identify a football know-nothing is people who think CR7 is better than Messi. Piers Morgan for instance.
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bro if anybody thinks messi is better than ronaldo than their also a know nothing
@@zeo9216 Found the know-nothing
@@clayboncThey didn’t say Ronaldo was better. Two different players who are all time greats.
right
The Ronaldo the hard worker vs Messi the talent has got to be the most reductionist narrative in football. People forget just how much of a talent Ronaldo is. There's no young talent on the face of the earth that even touches his level at his age.
Amen! Just because you see more of Ronaldo doing the work doesn't mean Messi isn't putting in the same amount of work. How would he have become a freekick specialist without putting in the hours? This is just a simple example. It's ridiculous of people to think Ronaldo is putting more hours in and Messi is doing nothing. No one can be at this level without a crazy work ethic.
@@Marco-jc4zxwhile I do agree that messi definitely trains and works hard but to say that he works as hard as ronaldo is just obscene. Every teammate ronaldo's played with has talked his dedication to training and perfecting his craft and how obsessed he is at being the best. And that simple fact to me proves that he's the harder worker
@@Bruhi7that does not reduce the impact his talent plays or the sheer amount of it, or vice versa for Messi.
As OP said, it's the most reductionist narrative and it is quite annoying to see sometimes.
Let’s not act like Ronaldo was some century talent like Messi was, Ronaldo was super talented for sure, but compared to players like Rooney, or Neymar he’s pretty mediocre in terms of talent. His mentality bolstered his talent to put him above those two.
Wrong cr7 was extremely talented he was just very raw . You can say they were more develop at younger age flr world level but his talent was on their level @@Susanoo1016
Messi vs Ronaldo didn’t really become a thing until CR7 went to Madrid. Meaning that the debate was more about Barca vs Madrid.
Yeah, the debate already started when they met second time on UCL final. At the time people are choosing Ronaldo for his balon dor achievement and trophies at 2008. But now it's getting even bigger when Messi won 4th balon dor and Ronaldo move to Madrid
Media made it for clicks and views. All for it to culminate in Ronaldo becoming a crazy cult leader saying anything stupid and his followers eating it up 😂
yes because you cant compare performances in different leagues the same way, but it doesnt tell anything about who is better. like nobody really cares about who's the best in the world right now because the contenders play in different leagues
@@cbust10 ronaldo has had some dumb takes but it's just as dumb of a take to claim that "the media" made the rivalry
Chill with the revisionist history. Messi and CR7 were already rivals from the latter's days in Man U.
Messi is the best and it's not even close. Ronaldo just has a lot of fanboys. Always found it weird that they totally convince himself he's the GOAT when he's not even close, just because he's their favourite player. It's like me being adamant that Salah or Ronaldinho are the GOAT just because they're my favourite 🤣 Messi is the GOAT and that's just fact, he's done everything, won everything and played football at a level no other player has
If this is your argument, then you’re simply a Messi fanboy. Nothing short of the fan boys who voted him to win the 2023 fifa the best ahead of halland, Rodri, kdb & Mbappé. Cr7 won his first ballon d’or in 2008 playing in the best league in the world ( Messi avoided it). Without cr7, Messi might have retired. Cr7 won his ballon d’ors during Messi’s prime. That alone is enough to tell you how good he was. Don’t let hate do the judgment for you. Messi is a born talent & cr7 is the epitome of hardwork. These are humans who could score 60, 70, 80 & 90 goals in a calendar year. No footballer was close. Ofcos messi is your choice but for me I appreciate both.
@@abetoperez3969 I don't hate Ronaldo. Messi is just undoubtedly the best player ever. And I'm not a Messi fanboy, he's not even my favourite player. My favourite players ever are Ronaldinho, R9 and Salah. I just accept that Messi is the best player we've ever seen and probably will ever see in our lives, denying that is stupid because it's so clear
Messi fans love football.
Ronaldo fans love his fame.
@@CastleMati bro i haven't seen a single one shred of respect to Ronaldo, like even i am a messi fan, and i consider cr7 the best alongside messi, like i have seen messi's 'football loving' fans teasing his son jr, about how his mother ran away because of him, and what not. Teasing him with names like deadsonaldo, deadfathernaldo and what not. Bro, the true strat padders the current new gen messi fans, who became his fan after just seeing his stats and not seeing him play actually
Messi never played against San Marino, Gibraltar, Liechtenstein, Moldova, Malta, Andorra, Lithuania, Latvia, Faroe Islands, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Cyprus, Estonia, Kosovo, Belarus, Armenia, Luxembourg etc regularly. Otherwise he would've 250+ international goals by now. South American Qualifiers are the most difficult one.
True the last time Messi played against Estonia he banged 5 goals in a single game
@@xeronyx0001at the age of 35 too
Man, some people still talk about the rivalry between the two and the longetivity is insane. Mad, mad respect. The fact that Messi and Ronaldo are still being spoken of and some in Ballon D'Or contention despite Mbappe and Haaland being at that age where the two (Messi and Ronaldo) won their first (of many) Ballon D'Or is just mad.
Now with the wolrd cup Messi basically has a flawless career. Eye test, stats, trophies, big games. Theres nothing you can critique Messi for. Definitely the greatest player of all time
Imagine calling Messi’s World Cup career flawless 😂😂
@@jiijiceente533 only player to win 2 world cup golden balls, not even the great pele or maradona could do it. That alone cements his WC career as top 5 all time
Can you read? He has a flawless career because of the World Cup, not that he has a flawless World Cup career 🙄
That's your opinion. The eye test is subjective because we all value different things when we watch football. Stats, as we all know, only tell a portion of the story, trophies are team achievements, and both Ronaldo and Messi are bona fide big game players who like all players, have also choked in big moments.
That's your opinion. The eye test is subjective because we all value different things when we watch football. Stats, as we all know, only tell a portion of the story, trophies are team achievements, and both Ronaldo and Messi are bona fide big game players who like all players, have also choked in big moments.
The most forced debate in the history of mankind.
One natural and the other utilizing a massive PR team to force relevance.
We’ve been spoiled! There will never another pair like Messi and Ronaldo. They drove the game (and each other) to new, dizzying heights!
We were blessed
They will be plenty ronaldos bruh😂…
He doesn’t do anything beyond normal on the pitch…
But messi??!
Nahhh
@@ojvic7297 Really lol ? your telling there won't be another player who gets 6 penalties in 8 world cup matches ? 😂😂😂😂
@@user-uh8nc8ks6v
Yeah..
Cos messi owns football…
Only him can set a worldcup competition for himself …
Messi runs football.😕
Your crying goat is beneath him..😂
@@ojvic7297Nah man both ronaldo and messi own football
"Basketballs a CLOSE second but nothing comes CLOSE to Messi and Ronaldo" 😂😂 gotta love Vizeh
Still more fun and harder to learn tho😂
Looking back at the career of Messi and everything he has shown and done on the pitch, what he has produced in output and won on top of all that, there is no shame in Ronaldo coming 2nd to such an alien.
Cr7 however has shown and set a blueprint to all aspiring footballers that may not be gifted as much in ability as their peers that among magicians in the game you can still through sheer hard work, dedication and winning mentality, take yourself into the conversation amongst the greatest. He will always be admired as the best role model and a personal goat for those reasons for many people…
Of course Ronaldo also had the talent and Messi had the mentality, but what clearly stood out and is most known about the two is Messi’s outstanding ability which is down to his natural football genius and Ronaldo’s clutch performances be it finals or other big games… which is down to his outstanding mentality, drive and determination of winning whilst having an extreme bitter hate to lose…
very well said 👍
Thank you for your take on this debate lad❤
@yusufchagtai5542
Well put....but please revisit that clutch, big game and final part. This is one aspect of Ronaldo that people seem to simply assume.
@@okwyunams8439 I really hope you’re joking…
@yusufchagtai5542
See that's exactly the point. I'm certainly not joking. Give me examples that come to mind as to why Ronaldo is remembered as a big game player above someone like Messi for instance.
I’ve probably watched 90-95% of Messi’s matches. I’ve run out of ways to describe him long ago. His footballing ability is ineffable. Without a doubt the GOAT!
i remember watching his goal against bilbao in 2015 copa del ray final and thought it was a normal goal BECAUSE IT WAS A NORMAL THING FOR MESSI , looking back now i dont know how i didnt realise i just witnessed one of the greatests goals of all time
Magical Messi, that's how you describe him.😊
Not even close to Pelé
@@marioauditore2859 pele is an overkill
di stefano is enough
@@marioauditore2859 head and shoulders above pele
as a ronaldo fan, I agree messi is the goat in football, but the reason so many people like ronaldo is the fact that he is very hardworking and a inspirational, motivational person, his story is inspiring and he is a perfect role model to achieve greatness.
True 👍
I think you're not fan of CR7. You're just disguised one
@@user-mm7vm7qk7n He is speaking facts
im a cr7 fan since 2013 bro, i even used to say he is the goat until messi proved he is capable of winning international trophies, he has the world cup and at the end of the day he has every single trophy and most ballon dors @@user-mm7vm7qk7n
@@user-mm7vm7qk7n Why? I can be a Neymar fan but I know Pele is better
One of the best rivalry of all time 🐐👽
THE best rivalry in history
one of lol.
Messi just won the 2023 Player of The Year Award as voted by fellow players and coaches
Several of Ronaldo's former teammates voted for Messi
....and we all know he didn't deserve it
not true these players represent the country they did not vote themself
@@jacobalexander4167u don't know better than football professionals
and we all know he didnt deserve it
@@kio7596omg these excuses are so lame
ronaldo's best success is comparing to messi
They truly are special. Messi and Ronaldo. Two Legends ...
While I am a die hard Ronaldo fan. I know that you cannot even deny Messi’s career as being the greatest anyone has ever witnessed. I’ll always rep Ronaldo because of the memories he was instrumental in creating for me and other Madridistas. But Messi’s career is so perfect, he has won everything he could win being the best player almost every single time. Who can debate that?
It’s not the greatest mate only reason he even has a career is cuz of drugs
@@Dan42069___ Come on man 🤣
@@Dan42069___ i did growth hormones just like messi and i don´t have a gram of his talent and not even near being a pro football player, shut the f up
Messi didn't do well for psg tho.. he got carried by Barca, while Ronaldo is on his own, proving himself in every team..
cant deny messi's greatness in barca tho
@@shairis2007 HAHHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHHA, where was ronaldo against portugal?
Amazing video. Full of facts and respect for both… everyone should enjoy watching them play with such passion for the game until it is too late.
In total, Lionel Messi has won 97 trophies throughout his career. As a player for Barcelona, he took home a whopping 35 trophies during his 17-year run with the first team. He has also won 53 individual trophies.
97? Are you counting high school trophies too(I'm a messi fan)
@@hairynigga849 I think he mistaked trophies for awards
Messi has won a total of 44 trophies, bro you are literally high and i say this is a die hard messi and ronaldo fan
@@prajwalitmohanty2337 search if you can.. Total awards n trophies combined.
This is the kind of perspective i love to see. They will always be number 1 and 2 for me, but whos in what order idk cuz there is a lot of factors besides stats. Love your videos as always 🔥
Yea. In reality its still an easy decision to objectively make. In almost every way you can compare them, Messi comes out on top. CR wins very few metrics of comparison
To me Messi all day but I still appreciate Ronaldo and his achievements. He deserves respect and his flowers. What these guy has done in their careers will never be forgotten
mate please learn english you are giving me a chronic headache
@@theviper542 at least u understood what he said, cornball
@@bonaventuretindin8494 i didn't understand a damn thing mate you must be even more stupid than him to understand that and think that I understood it too if I did I never would have commented
No but penaldo started as a goalkeaper in the beginning of his career🤣😅💀
If he started as midfield according to Facebook fanboys (he didn't he was a wide forward or pure winger setup to assist) then why doesn't he lead in dribbles or assists or key passes or other areas in the game where midfielders are supposed to flourish, no Ronaldo fan will ever be able to answer this , because most Ronaldo fans are just fanboys who have been brainwashed to believe that he is someone who is supposedly on Messi's level.
@@mcmjoe i'm not even a ronaldo fan and i have to say you are completely braindead. i'm not even gonna answer there is no point communicating with you at all
It took me 2 days to prepare myself to not get angry watching this video.
Pele, Messi, CR7, Og Ronaldo, Alex de Souza, Maradona, Cruyff, and more. All these players have contributed so much to this game, and I hope for more players like them.
Alex de Souza
so underrated
great shout
I feel awful for the fact I’ve not really heard of Alex de Souza at all
@@Vizeh I’m English, but he is like Fenerbahce greatest ever player. Different on the eye and amazing stats to back it up.
if he was more fortunate in his career with transfers and coaches he could’ve been an all time great.
@@Vizeh legend who’s career was ruined by the manager of Fenerbache who was also their top scorer. He scored 5 goals in a game at the end of the Brazilian league season to equal a record set by R9.
@@Vizeh He was great bro would broke records at turkey but the manager was petty sure the best and didnt want to beat his records
Do people actually really think its close💀
U type of people are the biggest clowns
Only Real Madrid, United fans and Juve fans 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@dsavage6618 I'm a United fan and I know is not even close to Messi
@@United_Wings Smart fan
@@United_Wingsronaldo fans
Ronaldo fans saying that Messi “only scores tap- ins”. Edit: this is a true story btw
no one will ever be able to measure Messi's talent with statistics and awards, he's off the charts every time😚😎🐐
1. messi played many different roles across multiple different systems at barcelona
2. european international matches are much easier than south american ones due to the high amount of low-ranked countries
😂😂
As a Colombian, playing in Europe as a Portuguese is way harder, most South American national teams are not competent whatsoever
@@Dan42069___think he means because in South America you never play really shit nations. Teams like Peru are like top 50. However in Europe you can stat pad games in like nations League and euro qualifiers where you play nations like Lichtenstein malta and San marino but idk whats harder myself
What are those different systems and roles in such a regard it's an argument.
And no. It's solely easier to go through the group stage. After that the EC is way and I mean way harder.
France, Germany, Italy, Croatia, The Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, England, Belgium and then multiple other teams that are basically at least as strong as every country in SA not named Brazil, Argentina or Uruguay.
The EC is way harder. Argentina or Brazil not winning the Copa means they 100% failed. Not winning the EC means other teams might have better teams.
@@Dotsetc What's the standard of the EC if third placed teams can qualify for the next round? Most of the time Ronaldo is not playing against France, Germany, Italy, Croatia, Spain, England,etc. On the road to the Euro 2016 he faced....wait for it......Croatia, Poland 🙄, and Wales 🙄. You can't be serious.
I'm A Ronaldo fan
I'll Never Say Messi is the GOAT
But I do acknowledge his greatness
That’s fair mate! Thank you for your comment!
I completely disagree.
W
😂😂u might not say it but u know it😂😂😂.LOL
100% agree Ronaldo all the way❤
For me its not even about the stats, its about the influence both have in the game
Messi is one of if not the smartes player ever, and it isnt just that. The mastery of the ball, the acceleration, the fact that he could get fouled and keep going, his balance, everything
For me that is the reason it isnt even close, Ronaldo makes hard stuff, Messi makes hard stuff look easy
Ronaldu makes the impossible look possible, I am a Juventus fan and stunned when Ronaldu carried Real in final match of champions league, he scored 2 goals that was supposed to be not possible for the rest of the players. All Juventus fans 👏 for Ronaldu and Real Madrid while our club was losing
I don't know why fans are so obsessed with stats. They clearly do not watch football but just use social media. If you actually watch football, anyone who says that CR7 is a better footballer than Messi is delusional. It is a fact.
The thing about stats is that Messi still has the greatest stats of any footballer in history. That's why it baffles me when people try to use that to argue for Ronaldo
@shepardice3775 yup true, but in summary Messi is a faster version of Maradona with Pele's goalscoring numbers and Zidane's playmaking abilities
it's a fact that people who think their opinions are facts are dumb
@@maaaaaap that makes u dum
Yes, I TOTALLY agree. I've always thought I was the only one who thought the rivalry between Messi and Ronaldo wasnt close. I've always thought Messi was just better.
Your absolutely right brother.
Because you are delulu
@@miguelangelgomezgutierrez nah Ronaldo fans are the delusional ones
@@digitail4000 ok person who's idol is Europe's laughing matter since 2015
@@miguelangelgomezgutierrez Messi has the admiration of all European lovers, what are you saying, ask any player about Messi and he will tell you that he is to be feared, that he has respect for him, that he is magical, a genius or he will tell you that he is the GOAT. What's more, you're probably the person with a high profile, being laughed at in the World Cup for never having scored in KO phases or trying to take credit from one of your teammates for a goal that he couldn't even touch with a header.
See its usually younger kids, those more naive and still growing that really idolise ronaldo because of the image he build around himself but when they start growing up start to mature they start to appreciate how insane messi stats and achievements are in comparison
I don’t think this is true, at least from where I come from. Two of the schools i’ve seen, a lot of people say Messi. I personally think Ronaldo is better but both are arguable. I respect both of them for being the best at the sport.
Bro this is the most true thing I’ve read today. From 2017 I was a Ronaldo fan and I always didn’t care for Messi games . But know that I have opened my eyes Messi is truly the greatest
@@fatimasalem5325 same. It's bcz Ronaldo has insane PR
Messi the undeniable, undisputed, unquestionable greatest footballer to ever grace the sport. Him leading his country to the summit by way of a World Cup puts the end to this debate, if there ever was one.
Messi is better, it was never a debate
I prefer to see the goat players as players who didn’t just score or assist but could do anything Gullit, John Charles etc because they could play centre back or you could put em at center forward and they were still world class
The debate ended back in 18 dec 22
Way before then. That was just the cherry on top 😅
It ended in 22 dec 18 winning 3 championships league back to back
@@yoyomi6226 In fact, it ended on May 27, 2009 with Messi's goal in the 70th minute, making a certain character cry in their direct confrontation in a Champions League final.
Winning 3 champion leagues < Winning 1 world cup@@yoyomi6226
@@mr.jhoan.9326ronaldo didn’t even win the 2018 ball ignore him player if ronaldo is such a goat he would of won the 2018 ballon dor
Second best for me is Johan Cruyff, because of his influence on the pitch. He was probably the most intellectual player in terms of football iq. He was the Player to play in most complicated System(Total Football). At least to get near to that and he was the one why this System was functionated.(Example 1974 WC)... And of course the greatest player of all time is Messi. No debate.
Just tell me you are a Barca fan
@@mr.gamerkabir8142johan Cruyff revolutionized football mate, he's the most influential footballer, people don't give him his flowers
The debate ended the 18th of December of 2022
For me it ended in 2012
@@shadow-man8715fair
Marco Van Basten won 3 Ballon Dor's by the age of 27 before his career was sadly cut short due to perpetual injury related issues.
Had it not been for this, I think he would certainly be a serious contender for the GOAT tag. Perhaps one of the greatest 'What If' scenarios in football history.
That’s actually a good shout, thank you for adding that!
Can add Nazario into same list of "what if"
Messi won 3 before 23 years old..
another one could be maradonna without the drugs, or balotelli without... well everything
Thats true. He had like 300 goals in only 430 matches thats an insane ratio considering he played in a time where defenders had much more freedom
A big reason for people supporting Ronaldo is the fact you saw more of him. in more interviews as he spoke English, had multiple products, did brand deals so was a big marketing target. Whereas Messi is not as commercialised.
Ronaldo is just more likeable😊
That’s a good point!
what you yapping about???
Bro waffling
@@Lilmosey-ud9pgthat’s facts
The greatest achievement of Ronaldo is being compared Messi
Even without the stat's Messi is clearly better. Ronaldo never affected and brought up his team the way Messi did. Messi did everything from scoring, assisting, and playmaking.while Ronaldo only scored and sometimes assisted.
Whats your country bro?
There is no way in hell madrid were wining 3 ucl back to back without Ronaldo
Bro has negative ball knowledge.😂
@@Countryballs24992He is right but Ronaldo did affect the team with his clutch but he does only score goals and his influence other than goals is limited and he sometimes assist but Ronaldo comes in clutch.
@@Messi_47758 he is not. Ronaldo has affected every team he has played in. The disrespect is unreal. Just respect both goats.
Ronaldo's finishing and legendary ball skills are absolutely insane
But watching Messi play as a whole, his dribbling and overall quality, is just mesmerising to witness
I've never felt so astounded by a football player like Messi (in his prime of course)
Fat Messi or Noodle hair Ronaldo?
@@nont18411 Noodle hair Ronaldo
@@Jammiest_Dodger fat Messi scored 91 In a single calendar year
@@Jammiest_Dodgerwrong
fair point but I generally don’t understand ppl that say ronaldo is just a goalscorer
I really avoid from the topic of Messi vs Ronaldo because to compare these two you would to downplay each others achivements and records. And the "Messi vs Ronaldo" debate has really got very toxic with these fanboys saying pessi or penaldo. Real ones respect both and their greatness and as you said we shoudl appreciate we were able to watch these two play at the same time.
Messi has been the greatest since 2011, what Ronaldo did was made a case for him having some better seasons than Messi. But the best player of the two is Messi, and me being Brazilian make it tough to admit but messi is the greatest
Ronaldo fans scare me. They tend to care more about cr7 than football itself
True, also they joke if Messi doesn't win and they call it rigged if messi wins
It’s a cult. Scary
On an unrelated note Xavi has played a highline against Vini and Rodrygo and is 2-0 down in 10 minutes,when messi left Barcelona really declined
Yep, 3-1 now Vini hattrick, ig Vini the real 🐐
3-1, vinicius hattrick yeah they're fucked
Thanks for that update
They blew 4-1 & 3-0 leads in UCL with Messi there. The decline started whie Messi was there.
they won the league by a landslide when messi left
The only reason this debate even exists is media PR… because there is no way shape or form you’re comparing a Playmaker and a Goal-scorer (who is also an insane dribbler) to a goal scorer.
the only reason your comment exists is that you dont realize that when the debate started Ronaldo was a great dribbler and assist provider
@@maaaaaap You’re right ronaldo WAS a great dribbler but he wasn’t even on Hazard’s level. You’re right he provided assists but they are no where near the efficiency or look as good as Messi’s assists.
There is no debate, just an obsession for Ronaldo fans, but they are worlds away. Messi is just the best in history, while Ronaldo is a great player
Yup
no
what d you mean there's no debate? have you visited the internet in the last 20 years? why do some pro footballers say that ronaldo is the greatest, are they just obsessed? you must know so much more about football than them
saying theres no debate under a video titled messi v ronaldo???
Messi only won the world cup because of the questionable penalties he got which is suspicious 🤔🤔🤔
I've always said that Messi was better, but not by much, I love Ronaldo and hes always been one of my favourite players. Im legit a United fan only because of how good him and Rooney were back in 2008.
Just because I say that Messi is better, doesnt mean that Ronaldo isnt good, hes legit the 2nd best footballer of all time, thats a huge achievement. I just love them both man, its so sad that were never gonna get such a perfect rivalry ever again.
No way ronaldo is 2nd best of all time. As a player quality he is not.
@@anshul5705Not gonna lie you either don’t like Ronaldo or haven’t watched him throughout his career to make that statement
@@anshul5705Ronaldo is the 2nd best of all time. His achievements, longevity, adaptability and performances are unparalleled, except for Messi.
@@thecro2060 Exactly its legit insane that Ronaldo and Messi made it seem normal to consistently get 60+ g/a every season. Just think about how insane that is.
lol CR7y is not even recognised as the greatest Ronaldo which is R9.
Future generations will know it as the "Messi v Ronaldo Era". People will talk about it for decades until the end of the century. But they can never fully fathom how *unreal* this era truly was
The future generations will only really Ronaldo for the annoying guy who stopped messi from winning 13 ballon dors and 8 champions leagues. In all fairness Ronaldo did really slow down a lot of people from seeing how great Messi really was
@@Jokerxeno1That is completely false saying Ronaldo would only been known as a guy who try to stop messi is disrespect to what Ronaldo has achieved
My preference goes to Ronaldo because I like the effort and determination he puts into physical work. It doesn’t stop me from accepting Messi is a genius
Its true for both
This is such a causual take. Anybody that says this doesn't really watch football.
@@val-zod1284 Most ronaldo fans don't really watch football that's true, they mostly watch highlights only
This take doesn’t really make sense, it’s not like Messi doesn’t put effort into physical work, he just doesn’t blatantly flash it as much as Ronaldo
@@elliott2193he does work hard just not as much as ronaldo, he doesn't need to flash it
"Look basketball is a close second, but nothing comes close to Messi and Ronaldo" wise words my friend...
1. Messi
2. Maradona
3. Pele
4. Cruijff
5. Ronaldo
no, ronaldo is def second
In my opinion, Maradona still over Messi slightly but otherwise perfect ranking
@@ktskeleton6378bro is onto nothing
Ronaldo does incredible things that make people go "wow, that's incredible" but when you watch Messi you're just lost for words.
nah
Right what Ronaldo does anyone can do. What Messi does it’s locked to him and you rarely see anyone at all replicate the simplest things he does.
Lmao, this is some crazy level of glazing. @@kennyhernandez6383
@@Blkarican "nah" cmon say something what is nah?
I'm lost for words how people still like Messi after robbing the biggest football tournament ever and stealing the golden ball from soo many
My grandad went to watch games in the 70s and 80s.he used to watch teams like Leeds,Villa, and West Brom,he tells me that the shin pads they wore were these massive sheets of material and the boots were rather bulky with hard toe caps at the end.Not only that but the pitches were awful,mud everywhere. i think in some ways that makes Pele and maradona(and a lot of players in those eras) a lot better really because They played in those conditions and still preformed.
i can literlly show you how big of a fraud pele is... im willing to bet my life that if social media was back then pele would be treated as a joke, and if you dont belive me simply reply to me and i can send you the proof, bro was carried by his team
You are quite a delusional one@@sky3down367
And what makes u think Messi n Ronaldo wouldn't have adapted to those conditions given their insane talents??That's a BS argument,ur just being hypothetical.With ur logic we could also argue that today's modern game is much more technical with stronger physically fit n well trained professional footballers with proper monitored diets.And the fact that Messi n Ronaldo have still managed to dominate this era spanning fr over 15 years n so,Pelle n Maradona couldn't have done it.Actually Pelle's case is even worse coz during his time in the late 50's n 60's he was up against part time plumbers,dentists n shopkeepers.But am only being hypothetical here coz there is no way of proving that Pelle n Maradona couldn't have done it successfully in the modern era n likewise no way we can conclude that Messi n Ronaldo wouldn't have succeeded in the stone age era especially if ur opponents were part time plumbers n electricians lol! Let's stop with this imaginary arguments holding no water.Messi is the GOAT n completed football.He has thebeen stats backed by numbers to prove so.
@@desmondachocky537bro. It was never Messi vs Ronaldo. It was Messi And Ronaldo.
Again, you can’t compare different eras of football. I can easily use your logic against you, but that is pointless because it’s a different era. Messi and Ronaldo would be murdered for wizardry if they played with Pele and Maradona
Not throwing nadal into the goat debate (as a Federer fan) is wild 😭
Messi btw,, ofc
Fr but he is 3rd
Cristiano didn't won 5 ballon d'ors for nothing. He IS one of the greats of all time. Nobody can't deny that.
It just so happen that there is somebody who is far more better than him. Somebody who has achieved everything there is to be achieve, and has done it so majestically.
Well said 👏
He is born in the wrong time
A player who relies on gifts and krruption, protection from the media to compete vs Ronaldo will never be better than Ronaldo not even in the conversation. Everyone knows how Messi wins 🇦🇷🐀💰💊
The only competition Ronaldo has is nothing but himself 🤫🐐🇵🇹
he didn't achieve one thing : to be the greatest in the UCL. Neither the WC
In basketball and football people try to act like there's a debate when there isn't...
Just wondering. Who is the clear goat in basketball?
@@Ksfjkdf Michael Jordan is by a mile :) just like Messi.
@@nikaabuladze3105 really? i dont know anything about basketball but whenever i see the goat debate it always seems like an era thing, like older people will say jordan and younger will say lebron
@@nikaabuladze3105 pele existed
i agree never a debate
pele was always clear
Tbh honest in South America the games are a lot harder as you generally play better teams bc in Europe you are playing smaller nations more often eg. In qualifying for competitions you have one other decent team and the others are nations that are not really that good but in South America you are playing teams such as Colombia, Chile and the worst team - Venezuela, are nowhere near as bad as the smaller teams in European qualifying
bullshit
Nah, you think team Venezuela from the inflation socialist country is as good as even a mid European team like Ireland Republic ? No wonder you all keep being third world and snorting cocaine.
@greeze4685 it's not bullshit in almost every European qualifier there are usually 2 teams that are absolutely shit. Like monoca and Liechtenstein or San marino and Luxembourg.
And they have to contend with the high altitude.
@@greeze4685 there are many more European countries and less American countries in Football
70% American countries are in Top 50 whereas as only 30 - 40% in Europe are Top 50
Also worth noting 1 has tried his absolute best to get stats, stats and more stats the other is just that good
There's no debate Messi far away
I’m a Roanldo fan because he made me love football. No matter what I will always support him, but I never understood this “rivalry” to our knowledge they don’t hate each but also aren’t friends. They have mutual respect because they know how great they are. I prefer Ronaldo but Messi has pushed him to be at a great level we haven’t seen ever. I appreciate what they have both done for the sport.
The respect part is questionable cuz Ronaldo has openly several times shit on Messi achievement
Remember when he said he would retire if Messi won the ballon dor in 2019
Or after he won the golden Boot he said the golden Boot was better than the ballon dor because the golden Boot was stats and ballon dor was votes
I could give you a little more examples but it'll be a long reply😂😂😂
@@BiggestBirdonMars source: WhatsApp University 😂😂😂
The respect from rondo started coming when he realized he is not as good as Messi. I hope you know about the countless interviews and comments he made about Messi, making fun of him
@@haridj8532never made fun of him
@@BiggestBirdonMarsgolden boot thing is true messi won way more ballon d’or than he should have 2010-2021-2023 france football clearly favourite messi
Messi scored a 10 out of 10 rating in the CL final against Ronaldo in 2009...where's the debate now?
10/10 in that CL final. Xavi was the motm. You mean Xavi has that rating
@user-bi5nw4vp6t well can't argue with a clueless penaldo fan
@@user-bi5nw4vp6tMessi scored a 10/10 Rating in the 2011 UCL final Not 2009 but doesn’t change the fact that Ronaldo NEVER DID THAT🤣 and Messi dunked on Ronaldo’s head in 2009 still
@@dsavage6618 Now explain who said he had 10/10 in CL final according to whom?? The famous ratings are from el.equippe and Messi has 10 rating in two matches(. Arsenal 11, Leverkusen 12). I see football from R9,Zidane time ,,don't come up with your pathetic fanboy knowledge and argue believing everyone are fans of Messi,CR etc. It's waste of time to speak to this kids who know nothing. Messi was great in 11 final and go.watch what Xavi did in 2nd half of 11 CL final if u want the see a masterclass.
Stats or not both are amazing players and we are blessed to see them play. It's all opinion but one thing that we can agree is that both are spectacular.
it was never really a debate. ronaldo is an absolute beast but with all due respect hes not even close to messi and the goat status
Both are great. They kind of made everyone love and care football. I am a fan of both but deep down Messi is something else. I doubt we will ever see a player like messi. I still remember those messi false 9 moments in 2011-12, abnormal playmaking in 2015, the most complete player who single-handedly fought everyone in 2019 and a leader in 2022.
They hated him because he told the truth 😂
By the end of the Messi v CR7 El Classicos , Messi was so far ahead , he could afford to let his rival gain a few laps.
Messi does things that great players wouldn't even consider trying and makes everyone around him better.
Overlooked stat is the teams they scored against and the stage or knockout stage at which they scored or assisted. Numbers look cool but might as well dive into the actual impact of the G/A and who they were scored against
Yeah, i noticed this video left out so much that could back up ronaldo. But no, is just sheer stat mongering
@@miguelangelgomezgutierrezexplain what could back up Ronaldo in this instance.
Heard you're doing a video on Reading's situation. As a Royal myself I'm very eager to hear your takes on it
Indeed! I already had this video in process and sadly the morning I said I’ll do the video I saw Zealand do a video on them so I will make one later in next week
Remove all Man Utd, Real Madrid and Barca fans from a worldwide poll and it will be overwhelmingly in favour of Messi.
True. I am a Bayarn Fan & I accept Messi is the GOAT🐐
And people still believe Ronaldo’s better. He’s fantastic but no, it’s not close
You cannot measure what Messi does on a football pitch by mere statistics. He is simply MORE than just stats. With that being said, his stats ain't that bad are they? 😂 An absolute alien that little magician from Argentina.
That's the thing. Messi is more than the stats but by stats he completely and utterly dominates everyone
@@shepardice3775facts!
In reality the best player, the absolute GOAT is Jonjo Shelvey
You forgot Nadal in the tennis GOAT debate. It's between Djokovic and Nadal. Federer is 2 and 4 slams behind the two respectively.
Federer is better than Nadal on every surface except clay. Nadal is an extreme clay specialist and because he's all around worse than Federer he should not be considered better even if he has fewer grand slams. Djokovic is the undisputed GOAT though, even though I like Federer more
@@shepardice3775 H2H matters. Federer is losing H2H both against Nadal & Djokovic. Plus the Grand Slam stat is the most decisive in tennis.
@@shepardice3775 Nadal & Djokovic lead the H2H overall and in Grand Slams as well against Federer. Plus they both have multiple Grand Slams more than him. Nadal alone has multiple Grand Slams on each surface unlike Federer who ahs just one on clay. The highest level ever achieved by a player is Nadal in FO 2008 where he bagled Federer in the final os a Grand Slam.
Who cares, none of the greats in football are parallel to each other, both did their bit and both are legends, no one can remove what they've done with opinions
Messi clear not even close
Why can’t we just appreciate what we have, and we have to compare
We can absolutely, that’s what I said end of the video, we won’t get another two like these ever again!
@@Vizeh correct but I always see these stupid people on twitter saying 🤓 “Messi’s the goat” “Pessi is mid” 🤓 I just want people to appreciate these goats for who they are
It's just human things, mate. We can have opinions, but we also want to force others to have same opinions like us. Hence why the debate even started.
True, that’s why we see all these pessi, penaldo dog, etc etc. people on twitter.
I agree
Divine enablement to Messi and his teammates. Greater success to inter Miami CF.
There's no debate anymore, It's not 2010 when this was a valid question of:
"I wonder who'd end up being better when everything is done and said?"
We already got an answer and it's clearly Messi.
That's why I really think you can very accurately predict if someone has ball knowledge or not based on who they think is better between the two. Not who they like the most, but who they think is a better footballer. There's not a problem liking Ronaldo more than Messi, but saying he is better than Messi is simply and objectively wrong.
I mean you can go and check yourselves the stats showed in this video more indepth, and you'll literally see Messi being on top for everything excepting
Aerial duels
Headers
Penalty conversion rate
I also want to mention that a certain part of both their fanbases are equally stupid.