Serve Pronation with Holger Rune and Patrick Mouratoglou
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- čas přidán 9. 03. 2022
- Learning about the serve pronation is the best way to hit a proper flat serve down the T and find the wide angle on the Ad side.
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These serves gave him Paris masters title !! Congrats Rune & Patrick 🤟
Ever heard of Lars Christensen ..?
Patrick Mouratoglou uses already established players for his own media celebrity promotion and pretends their success is due to 10 minutes with him.
PM is a wind-bag - a talker - he has never played professional tennis in his life. He knows no more than an average park player - a pretend coach seeking publicity through Serena Williams success. PM's businessman Father bankrolled the Mouratoglou Tennis academy - PM used Serena Williams when she was down in her life and started an affair with her resulting in his first wife divorcing him - he has kids from two marriages.
@@Chris_Sheridan lol get a life.
True..he didnt serve that well before..
I was so surprised last few weeks..
"Anything is possible!" That's big confidence booster words from Mouratoglou!
Love these videos. The way things are explained and these small exersises with moving back from the net. That’s something a recreational player like me also can use. Best coaching video’s ever!!!
Patrick is great, love his professionality.
First time I see this wicked movement explained so that 'casuals' can actually understand and have a way to practice it! thanks Patrick!
U r genius Patrick. U r felt always comfortable, logical yet completer ❤
I've actually tried this and it's crazy the kind of action I can get on the ball going out wide on the ad side now. Thanks Patrick for this lesson!
Took my serve to a whole new level of power and consistency. Thank you so much!!!
I was watching and training in my room, tomorrow I'll watch it again and go to the court, thank you, very good!
Nice to see even some pros struggle with this. I have a similar problem where I slice most of my serves. Hoping this lesson well help my serve.
That tip about extending the arm with the racquet face facing inside out is a really useful tip that I haven't seen in the thousands of serve videos on youtube. I noticed that my racquet does that when I'm serving well in a session but never knew it was the right motion.
It also helps to keep the ball low and short to keep it within the service box - if you find your serves going out too far.
How do u compensate for short height with this kind of motion?
It is not always the right motion. That inside out is the right motion when serving wide from the Ad. You must contact the left side of the ball in order to make it go wide. That is not the right motion when serving down the T from the Ad.
I feel slice serve pronation is more difficult, if we just carve the ball, then the slice is weak.
@@zhanmike3406 exactly. You still need to pronate just like flat serve. It just a few degrees difference.
Thanks, getting better slowly but surely from your tips.
Excellent video, understandable and something we can all try. Great job!
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Patrick you are a Machine.
BEST tennis tips on CZcams👍
good job holger and patrick!
Thank you very much for nice vid!
Very Helpful Videos, and Good explained!,
Rune definetly learnt a lot from these. What a run he had
you must be joking . PM has done nothing but fooling his audience . he already had one of the best pronations on the circuit but if 95 percent of your audience has no idea about tennis then you can tell them what ever you want
Either Rune and his father (?) were fools to pay PM to teach him nothing. Or they teamed up to fool 95% of us for a few clicks. You and Serena are smart and see right through his tricks.
Beautiful!
The pronation allows an inside out swing path to hit the ball 👍
Excellent upload
impressive how a player at that time already in the elite of atp still so much improvement can do
great video coach!!! love it
its going this way and it should go that way ( 0.54 ), are you kidding me , knowing your website you should know better. stop the frame and youll see its not possible to get more pronation and ISR . hes ansewring directly after the hit so its imposible to see what happend ( im coaching 40 years so i have an idea of that )
just using the advice on patrick’s channel can help you make a young player into a great player
Great instruction
Also his leg drive is perfect
great points thank yoi
Tremendous!
I never had a throwing motion. I learned as I played more tennis. That extension though I borrowed it from swimming.
i love his hoodie
Thanks tip serve
so good
Rune is playing Ruud right now hahah. I hope he remembers this lesson! 4th set
In 10 minutes You help him To improve his serve. .Congratulation coach Patrick
.. there's no evidence that PM's advice has improved this guy's serve.
@@Chris_Sheridan the serve, the drop shot... Many and many things.. Believe me..
@@peppio .. believe you? Why?
You're also a liar - just like PM the biggest waffler in tennis.
PM didnt do anything but fooling his audiance. rune already had one of the best pronations on the circuit
@@bmtspain6839 PM is only a talker - a showman like Bolletieri and he fools those with little tennis experience and knowledge - he's a good example of a bad coach.
super good
Ótimo professor não falo inglês mas até assim da pra pegar umas dicas 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Identificar um centro de interesse e consumir conteúdo em uma lingua estrangeira desse tema é uma das melhores formas de aprender um novo idioma 👊
Patrick sir I am struggling with second serve can you post a video on that..
There is a component of body building as well as stretching so it is not just pure skill development. The arm need to be rested properly in between each training session of new movement.
Those hips don't lie.
pronation ends with full arm extension, got it
I just played a tennis tournament after taking 15+ years off & i forgot my serve motion & picked up the wrong motion & started bending/snapping the wrist downward on spin serves & now my wrist hurts... :( i need to relearn my serve again :( :( :( Thank you for this video
This guy looks good. He will probably win a Paris Masters one day.
I wish they would show this in slow motion to actually see the arm action
if they would show it in slow motion you should see that patrick wasnt right in the beginning when he said you go that way but should go that way :) and the guy did exactly that :) the guy has more pronation and internal shoulder rotation then most proplayers. Dont get fooled by this guy its all advertising
You can adjust the playback speed on CZcams - just go to 'settings' ..
@@Chris_Sheridan yes I did this and wow - he was always doing it the way PM was asking - well spotted
Whats his grip size? Looks huge
Rune has potential to be a top 10 player.
😃😃😃
He was ranked #4 worldwide by ATP at one point
Brian Gordon must be crying watching this guy
Great advice with the pronation. I noticed watching his ball toss it looks like it goes to his left side which is for a kick serve. Is it not better to throw more to the right?
i tend to do the same and would love to know if its a bad habbit
@@epicfaaail its not been a habit for me but when the ball goes far to the left its because i have thrown it slightly late
I dont think so, since he is pronating to the right he probably needs to toss the other way to ensure the ball goes in
I noticed that too, towards the end of the video I saw the toss move slightly more to the right which definitely helped with the full extension
If it works for you, meaning serving high % first serves in and getting 100mph or more, doesn’t really matter
It might sound strange but I like it when people grunt because it you can hear their release of energy - grunting naturally of course, not screaming intentionally.
Omg such a daddy 😍😍😍
At 18 he was serving at 120mph!!
130
ofcourse he did ; he already had that pronation; PM is just using rune as an advertising
If you want to see forearm pronation in perfection, watch Boris Becker serve.
For slice serve pronation, I'm a bit confused, I thought we also are supposed to pronate outward and to the right, if we carve the ball, we can get slice, but it wont be as solid and powerful, but then I try pronate, then I wont much slice, so it has been a dilemma for me.
You must not pronate on slice at all. So I don't know if I would call it supination or Neutral but it's definitely not pronation. You can see Patrick explaining that he as a a natural slice serve and they are working on the opposite in this video...
@@smashu2 if you want pace in a slice you need pronation : watch zverev slice at 195km
@@bmtspain6839 agreed. Patrick's illustration of a slice looks like what club hacks do to hit slice. Watch Raonic hit a slice in slow motion. He pronates. Pat has no clue about the actual biomechanics. Swing path and angle of head at contact determine spin.
Yeah if you slice the way he "demonstrated" you'll have no velocity on the slice. Instead, just throw the racket the same way as on any other serve, allowing your shoulder to rotate and your wrist to snap, but throw it on a different vector through the ball - less back to front, and more out to in. That way, you'll make thinner contact with the ball, transposing more of your racket velocity into spin, rather than power. You can resist a little of the pronation if you want, but not all of it.
Like other commenters have pointed out, watch any great slice server (roddick, raonic, kyrgios, fed) hit a slice serve, and you'll see a very similar release action at the top as on their flat serve, not the hacky chop that he's demonstrating here. He might be exaggerating in his demonstration, but the truth is, when you work with athletes this talented, what you say doesn't matter nearly as much, because they figure out what feels right pretty quickly.
@@smashu2100% incorrect…the biggest problem for anyone believing this is slow motion video…slice, flat or kick serves are all quite similar except for slightly different angle and path at contact…pronation absolutely happens in all…this is not my opinion, it’s just facts that no one can dispute what can be proven in videos🤷♂️
That's 5k well spent for rune
I rarely agree with Pat, but this one is good. Same method I use to help people understand what it feels like to pronate.
what is the reason for serving like that? can someone explain?
My take: To get that kind of pronation, one engages the muscles of the shoulder that internally rotate the shoulder and arm. These muscles are larger and therefore more powerful than just the arm. That, along with a relaxed wrist, creates great racket head speed, driving the ball faster. Flat serves hit the back fence off the first bounce. A huge amount of practice (I need even more) helped me get that kind of power. Now if the rest of my tennis could improve... 🤔
@@paddlepower888 The twisting of the wrist is a bit weird for me...maybe not used to it yet
@@hi7hi7hi7hi7hi7 I don’t find it natural either, but I’m confident that as I get my repetitions in, it’ll become second nature. I think my nervous system will want to forget the newer info and revert to older habits-a good reason for me to schedule monthly practice drills such as detailed in Patrick’s video. Cheers!
@@paddlepower888 yes indeed good point, same as when I changed my forehand grip from eastern to semi-western, I also feeling uncomfortable at first..
Hitting it more direct with more power and the opponent not knowing wich way the wrist twist.
can you please post a pronation on slice serve?
And with slow motion too. PM has the best instruction.
He demoed at the beginning slice vs flat serve. The slice doesnt have pronation lol
@@goggleboy2464 of course it has. It's like 99% the same movement, you only hit the ball a bit more lateral
@@finnarhelger7471 u must not have a good slice serve. If it was 99 percent the same move dude wouldnt be paying 150 bucks an hr to be taught
@@goggleboy2464watch any pro serve in slow motion and you’ll see they all pronate
It’s mental how I somehow basically do this on a daily basis…
rune should know about this yesrs ago.
I mean did u see djokers serve when he started. Players aren’t perfect from the beginning.
he did , thats why his serve was good before patrick said any word :):) he didnt correct actually anything because it was already there!! his racket didnt go in the wrong direction , he had a lot of pronation and ISR but most of his viewers have no idea about tennis :):) its all advertising
@@bmtspain6839 .. advertising rubbish. PM hasn't a clue about tennis.
@@bmtspain6839 You are wrong.
@@reginstravels so let me explain : rune startrs to serve 3 times on the deuce side and 1 on the ad side and then PM asks show me show me and rune serves again at 40sec in the video on which PM says that he was going to the inside and he should go to the outside. thats a big joke right here; stop the video at contact and you will see one of THE BEST PRONATIONS in profesional tennis; but PM has NO FUCKING IDEA about what happend. so i advice you to stop the video and check the position just after contact and let me know what you see.
Rune aka Magnus Carlsen. They look so similar
Can I just have a Rcquet please..
I so wanna play this game
I'm playing this at half-speed to look at Rune's serve, and I can't focus because Patrick sounds like he's drunk lmao
Isn't that just a reverse serve?
Wahoo, this technic requires lot's of loosening and suppleness. Definitively not for beginners.
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While he's there teach him manners also
Here comes arm problems.
A very bad serve performance by Rune during final in Rome 2023, 49% first service...some changes are required...
This is not a ref player advice if you don’t have fundamentals you will injure and still make bad serve
He sounds drunk af if you listen at .5x speed lol
You dont consciously ‘pronate’. Pronate outward that is....that is solely a biproduct of the acceleration and going on edge. Some player supinate some pronate.
Totally agree. The initial serving was top notch. The guy leads on edge and pronates into contact - what else can you do? Then how the racket continues, with continued pronation or back to a more supplinated finish, is totally irrelevant.
from the first serve he did he played perfect, this is only for advertising , he has to say something but the guy did exactly the pronation and internal shoulder rotation on every serve , it was not nesecarry to the comment he goes in the wrong way because he didnt :):)
again another joke video :):) at 0.54 he says you go that way but you should go that way :):) the guy just made the perfect pronation and internal shoulder rotation !!!! hes lucky that most viewers have no idea about tennis.he has more pronation then most professionals :)
You day he has more pronation than most professionals, but Rune IS a professional player. His ranking is 88 in the ATP Tour
@@spirothegamer i have never heard of him so i didnt know. and his pronation is very good if he wants to go further he will dislocate his shoulder :):)
C'est un menteur, il copie sur les autres entraîneurs en particulier les parents qui sont entraîneurs.
C'est un manipulateur, il ne connaît rien.
Si vous voulez des informations contactez Mr Rezai
C'est un menteur, il copie sur les autres entraîneurs en particulier les parents qui sont entraîneurs.
C'est un manipulateur, il ne connaît rien.
OK, again, let's let this SINK IN : Rune, a top 90 ΑΤP Tour player, is being taught serve pronation (the BASICS of serve) from a guy who has never competed professionally in tennis. Whatever. I mean, look at 3:50 , he's trying to demonstrate and throws the ball to the SIDE of the court...😆 This is just a promotional video for the academy, Rune trains there with his TRUE coach....
This channel is indeed derailing quickly.
It’s simple deemple)))
exactly my thoughts , his explaining was not nesecarry because the guy did exactly the pronation and ISR from the first serve
Absolutely; PM is not a technical coach. There are so many things he coaches that are wrong. E.g., as if the follow through with the Andy Murray style left arm had anything to do with a serve. And, of course, all professionals, pull the non-dominant arm into the chest to stop the upper body rotation and to release the racquet into the strike.
He is being taught to use prontation to hit the T and wide with the same action almost up to contact, that's not just basic serve pronation. Look at his other video's teaching lesser/younger players and he teaches hit say T (depends on side) with a flat pronated serve, hit the wide the same action but slice it. No slicing here, this is more advanced. Rune, and his coach clearly get it, the fact that you don't suggests the video is not for you.
Wait..this completely contradicts his other "pronation" video...i am confused.... improper coaching
Patrick Mouratoglou - the biggest liar and tennis waffler in history - total con-merchant!