Patti Smith in West Side Stories with Jonathan Miller - 1972
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- A rare TV film from 1972. Patti is in love with New York, its art and artists. Will she one day be a star? Jonathan returns to the city where he once starred in Beyond the Fringe. A freewheeling portrait, through two pairs of eyes, of the city that can make or break you.
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Patti Smith . Who else is so girly and grown up , so sweet and so strong , so fragile and tough , so streetwise and innocent , so solitary and yet so sought after
A very young Patti Smith ruminating on NYC. Just wonderful!
"if your mood is bad the city is vile and dangerous and risky,if you are on the top of a wave it's like a crystal city.".......SO TRUE!
What does she mean by "bad", exactly? Seems a more accurate word would've been "low". She lives as an observer not allowing the downfall of others to affect her daily drive to survive. I've seen her talk freely of how she and Robert M. stole for their daily bread. As someone who knows what it is to be poor and hungry and to be confronted by others in similar or worse situations on a daily basis, I know that this is often what happens...but were society to ruthlessly allow for the hardship of others to be calculated into the accepted scenario it would be mighty cold indeed...oh wait, it is!
Patti's ramblings about New York are really poetry. Quite wonderful, and such a young kid at that. Lovely. Such a sweet voice!
Before watching this I knew two major things about Patti Smith: 1/She’s a genius, and 2/she’s the only famous person that attended my high school, albeit 14 years before me. I just learned one additional thing: I’m in love with her.
“No one expected me. Everything awaited me”
Patti Smith
Just Kids
Patti is expressing her feelings and thoughts in a very genuine and artistic way. She is very intelligent and articulate by her age by then. Just amazing. She is so cute and lively!
Patti's impish charm is captivating !
She sure sells New York !
God.. she is so sweet in this...i could listen to her voice all day.
This film was made by the director Tristram Powell. At the suggestion of his cameraman he went to meet Patti and she ended up as an integral part of the film he was making with Jonathan Miller. The decision was made on the fly, during filming in New York, it was not part of the original concept. That's what you call creative freedom.
So the cameraman knew her? That is very interesting; thanks for the info! She has talked about how she always dreamed of becoming famous, even when she was a young child, so she must have been thrilled to be included! She's so cute and charismatic :)
Pheidias Ictinus : a rare, archived find. NYC during a liberated administration.
P. S. Had an unique, expressive way about herself in a city of commerce and trade.
Pushing forward to present day , she has definitely evolved on many levels.
Thanks much for this priceless piece. 🙂
The film would be uninteresting without the yin/yang of upper crust Jonathan juxtaposed to dirty crust-of-bread Patti. Fascinating to hear Patti’s young girl voice.
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fantastic portrait of nyc. patti is totally cute, sophisticated and down-to-earth at the same time. love her descriptions and perceptions. the 42 minutes of this film went by very quickly.
She is the opposite of sophisticated, which is not necessarily a bad thing, I believe she prides herself in it as it may have limited her freedom.
Patti's voice is so sweet
Patti's book- Just Kids...Her life with Robert Mapplethorpe.
It's worth reading.
" people on the street are so neat ... they're like … so warm + regular people " Patti Smith
Damn now that is a gem
Love Patti so honest and direct and full of life
“It may have been the 60s and The Summer of Love but in South New Jersey Patti had to leave her family home ….she knew she didn’t have the money to attend college and she didn’t want to become a teacher . Like so many before her a hopeful Patti Smith headed for New York City in search of work , but also in search of what she hoped would be her destiny . She didn’t quite now what it would be or how it would manifest itself. But she was armed with the unfailing belief that it was out there, waiting for her.”
Why Patti Smith Matters
Caryn Rose
2022
Young Patti! Thanks for posting this!
This whole film is a great gem! Thanks!
Thank you. Patti Smith and Jonathan Miller. Inspirational. ❤
I am so glad I stumbled upon this. I loved it. But, I also love Patti
This made my night. Very interesting and fun. Love Patti never seen this before
This is soooooooo beautiful, both of them are walking talking poets
Sir Jonathan Miller (1934-2019) was exactly 30 years older than I. 1:05 WTC almost completed.
patti aww que tierna e increíble es
Patti aww how tender and incredible she is
Hands up who can honestly say they didn't skip the Jonathan Miller bits
That's a great idea... I am halfway through it.. Thank you.
thank you so much for posting!!! absolutely adored this. patti's innocent and sweet laugh was my favorite part. and jonathan miller was just hilarious. a real treat. :)
What an amazing documentary.
Such an intelligent and thoughtful piece~!
This is fantastic/thanks for sharing
" I didn't have any dough . Maybe I had 50 cents . So 50 cents on 42nd St …. U can be there all day …. U can shoot pool ... U can go in a record shop + listen to a whole bunch of neat music before U're thrown out … eat a 10 cent hotdog ... maybe see something like this going on " Patti Smith
Glorifying to be a penniless bum ?.......She could talk.....she was a charismatic personality with enough rockstar friends who got her through this penniless period.....for the average person such 'activities' made you feel rather hopeless , with only a bottle of cheap wine or smack to numb that feeling .
Here ('72) Patti was well and truly at home in the New York incrowd ,having a relationship with Blue Öyster Cult's Allan Lanier ;
when the city still was the epicentre of cooL .
@@PAULLONDEN When she arrived penniless in New York she was also friendless ... She had no where to stay and her first summer was spent sleeping on the streets ... quite literally sleeping in the subway and on park benches . For years she was one meal away from starvation .
Getting to know the Rock Stars came later ... much later.
Go read her New York memoirs Just Kids.
@@Broatch6 Thanks...but in which year did she arrive in New York ?
@@PAULLONDEN Summer of 1967 . A one way bus ticket . It was all she could afford . She was planning to stay with some friends but when she got to New York she found they'd moved on. So she ended up sleeping in parks and in the subway !
Up until the early 80's you didn't need money to live in this city. Back then there were a lot of colorful character. Sadly the internet & P.C. movement killed them all.
This is awesome! Thank u so much for posting this. Patti and that poem bout NYC timeless.
omg THANK YOU for posting this!
i saw this when i was a kid -- channel 13, maybe 1971?
left an indelible impression on me, even though i was not really aware of Patti at the time (i was only 12!)
within a few short years, however, i was to become an ardent and lifelong fan of Ms. Smith
so for years i have been trying to find this film! i did not remember the title, kept thinking it was "East Side West Side," or something like that
again, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING THIS!
Patti wasn't known at all back then. She made her first album - Horses, in 1975. This is really rare footage at that time! She was young and just someone.
Clotilde Vivier no she had a 1974 album I believe but also was well before this. think she said 74,75 and 79 then retired to Detroit ... could be wrong but I'd go all in on this
She had a single, 'Piss Factory', released in 1974, no album. But she did retire to Detroit in '79 - whether through choice or her husband's bullying depends on who you believe
Apollo C. Vermouth that would infuriate me to think she was bullied !!!! that would make me say I'm glad the guy dropped dead. but we won't know.
I'm not talking from a particularly informed position, but Victor Bockris' biography is pretty damning of Fred Smith. If you look at 80s photos of Patti she looks as if she lost a lot of her former confidence. But yeah, we can't really know.
Wow such an interesting document😮
And Patti is sooooooo lovely❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
In case anyone's wondering who "Father Zossima" is, Jonathan Miller is referring to a character in Dostoyevsky's novel, 'The Brother's Karamazov'.
You can really hear her talk forever
what an adventure, ny before they sterilized it.
1060michaelg lol!
Funny
I think it's being desterilized now.
cool video. brought back lots of memories. thanks!
That NYC is long gone esp.42nd st.
This is great.
In 1972 Patti Smith is 26 this genuine innocent fresh voice. such vivid observations. and Jonathan Miller 35 his view of New York personal intelligent University educated a Medical doctor .. This is old gritty NYC pf the late 50's early 70's. the Graffiti artist "TAKI 183" wrote that tag all over the NYC subway system and even on fuselage of commercial airline as I recall it was reported back then.
It was in November 1971,I just read it here and she was 24 because Patti is born on the 30th of december 1946
1971 actually!
I 💓 NY
St.Clements is right around the corner from me on 46th st.
Such an unlikely pair.
What, you mean her boobies? They're adorable
does anyone know what the jazz music is thats playing throughout the program??
Does anyone have any idea how Patti came to be involved in this programme? Obviously it was made for the BBC, and I'm sure I have heard her reference the fact that the first time she appeared on TV was when she was the musical guest on "Saturday Night Live" in 1976. She wasn't a well known person in 1972 so whose idea was it to profile her for a television show? I don't even remember her mentioning this in "Just Kids". When I saw this on CZcams I had no idea what it was. It is fantastic footage of her!
She did some acting in plays before she got into music among many other odd jobs.
Yeah, I knew that, but it was in the NY underground theater. Unless someone from the BBC saw one of the plays and was impressed by her! I'm just surprised she has never mentioned it. I know she did a poetry reading with Sam Shepard in London in 1972, maybe that is when it came together.
Shes nearly as old as Jesus, must have loads of holes in her memory.
There are plenty of musicians older than her ;)
Re your first question - how she became involved, see entry above. Thanks for your comments and interest.
I honestly could listen to Jonathan Miller's opinion on any subject it's a sober nervous tick but so natural seeming .. Patti's is obviously one of the most pure people but I feel like she added so much LSD that her view is abstracted so I would end up wanting to take LSD with her after a few days of her take on the world.
So you are a college student . Learning what you DON'T KNOW! Do you know who Jonathan Miller is? Beyond the Fringe? you need to make space in your mind for new experience
Patti Smith "abstracted"? She is so immediately involved with her experience of her life in New York. discovering herself . such vivid description of the soul of NYC and the soul of the poet in that time in history. 1971 . A young poet that found her voice. clear forever original and alive
.definition online of
ab·stract·ed
abˈstraktəd
adjective
showing a lack of concentration on what is happening around one.
"she seemed abstracted and unaware of her surroundings"
Patti's view of the world is weird .. like lots of liberal lefties her great generosity of spirit clouds her judgement ....but that's nothing to do with taking lots of LSD .. and there's a lotta worse things to be than a liberal leftie
Patti comes out with : rocket to stardom ... he camarised me … filmed me with stuff. And I just played along. I figured what the Hell ? It was like really getting my picture taken. But he'd never even remember me.
She's so sweet when she's learning " all the rhythms of the City ".
Anybody know the song it's beautiful
4:57 anybody know the song? So beautiful
Verdi Square has changed but hasn't.The views the same,Ansonia,same statue in the square.Now you see chess players in Verdi Square.
Alguien podria subtitular al español este documental?
Estaría bien,porque aunque mi inglés es medio-avanzado, no pilló una,bueno alguna😂
Damn she was young 😯
and sweet .... such a sweet young thing
Weren't you?
I Love Patty but I don't understand english so much? Is it possibile find this video with the underwriting in english?
24:00 ........Moses ? St.Peter ? Roky Erickson ?......
Miller (85) bytheway, passed away november 27 2019 .
"Eye pad" does that imply Patti suffered from a lazy eye in her youth ?
Patti can eulogise what she wants about New York ; for a pretty energetic girl and those with money to spare it's an interesting place , entertaining "the rich boys" . Except for the majority for whom it's a daily depressing chore to help keep the city running. And certainly not when you're getting old. It's not for nothing she left that place as soon as she was able to , and could afford a more peaceful place to raise her kids.
New York......a place these days where you can't escape the "Stars'n Stripes" hanging from any available window ledge. Burnout city Nr. 1 .
Tom BAKER?
24:50 would love to see what that guy's up to these days
Maaaaaaaaaaaaan ,,,,, he's about 60 year's old here at least,,,,,, This was 50years ago,. He would be 110 years old now!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is that Moondog I see for a moment?
is that patti smith 17:29
She kind of looks like Johnny Thunders here.
where is that guy with the huge walking stick in the thumbnail??
also where are the photos of Patti with the eyepatch? she's so cute.
also, so sad to see the towers they were supposed to stand for a thousand years they stood for 30.
fucking extremism.
Was she smoking bear a baby the 70s am I right
Hahahaha I am thinkin the same😂
at 1:44 you see the twin towers going up
Swag bags lol
So much better before she took herself seriously.