Tarnished Immortality Explained | Elden Ring
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- čas přidán 13. 04. 2023
- In this Elden Ring Lore Short we offer an explanation as to why the Tarnished are able to resurrect and the relationship to the Guidance of Grace.
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bro said “Greater Well” instead of “Greater WILL.”
Oh, I say unto that the Lord Jesus has died for your sins and risen again from the grave, to be on the right hand of God. If only you will confess your wrongs, the Lord God Almighty will forgive all your sins and give you new life.
This actually makes a lot of sense….
Now I’m curious but what if a tarnished makes its way to another world? 🌎 Would they still resurrect if they died?
i thought the tarnished didn't die because marika sent them out to do war and used the rune of death to make them come back again and again. In a sense she sent them on a holy war and made them unkillable
@reddfranzen9072 everyone else except them was immortal. The fact that the Erdtree extended grace to them was how they gained the same immortality as everyone else.
I think marika offered this before she was imprisoned. It's the clear the greater will doesn't want you to take the throne and I'm guessing it wants everyone to suffer forever as punishment for Rannis (and I think Marikas) rebellion.
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What are you talking about? The tarnished are not immortal. You kill many of them during the game, some of them die for other reasons and none of them come back unlike most other creatures in the lamds between.
I CALL FOR THE TARNISHED TO UNITE UNDER THE MIGHTY OMEN KING!!! WE SHALL MAKE HIM ELDEN LORD AND BE HIS NEW NIGHT'S CAVALRY!!! WE SHALL SERVE HIM FOR THE REST OF OUR DAYS UNTIL OUR BLADES ARE WORTH NO MORE!!! EVEN IF WE HAVE TO PRY OFF MALENIA'S PROSTHETIC ARM!!!
It’s the lands between. Tarnished are dead already, this is a place between life and death, kinda like the river styx
Are tarnished the only ones who cant die? Are those named in the intro all the tarnished or can i assume everything in the lands is tarnished?
And why do the bosses stay dead? I get that we steal destined death but before that?
But what about in playthroughs where you act in direct opposition to the Greater Will?
!!Spoilers Ahead!!
Ex: Siding with Ranni, who kills the Greater Will’s prophets (the Two Fingers), and replaces Marika as the vassal for the Elden Ring.
Ex2: Siding with Goldmask who spends the entire game having a sign language debate with the Greater Will, and who creates a mending rune that can ward away ANY outer god influence in the Lands Between.
Why are we immortal even then?
No offense, but this is the dumbest fucking video ever. If you’ve played like five minutes of the fucking game, you’d realize this exactly what happens even if you didn’t read the little prompts or dialogue.
So we really don’t just come back to life like any other game damn Miyazaki bro thought of everything😂
Wrong, Marika sealed the rune of death with Maliketh
Now i can sleep in peace 😊
This explains why Godfrey was banished from the lands between. When all enemy's was slain his eyes grew dim as Merika robbed him of his grace. He was cast out to wage war in a land far away until we were called back.
such an afterthought of an explanation lmao it basically boils down to “because we said so”
Unless im missing context the very concept of death was taken from the Elden Ring, an object that governs the laws of reality and given to Maliketh to keep it safe this is why we have to kill him so we can introduce death back to the world...
This shard of the Elden Ring is so powerful even just having fragments of it makes you terrifying to fight just look at the Black Knife Assassin group who stole parts of the Death Fragment and in lore are stated to be one of the few ways people can truely die.
Many of the tarnished resorted to Agheel's flame for suicide.
I don't think that worked, since we can literally tank death itself in this game.
So the hardest to get ending would be a permanent death?
Remember, you need to have atleast 2 demigod souls to become elden lord, the demigods who fought in the shattering, only one died so no elden lord yet, so greater will added a new rule so tarnished gets a chance to become lord instead.
That explains why you have to die at the start of this game then. If you didn't then the greater will never gives you the power to revive.
Tarnished: I can't beat this boss
Greater Will: You gon learn!
So does that mean my thousands of deaths are cannon?😂
Why does the greater will need a tarnished to be elden lord because it can't find a god? Don't the elden lords serve the God of the lands between? Someone explain
Only SPECIFIC (only you right now) tarnished can still revive. The ones who see grace. 99% of the NPCs we talk to say they can't see grace anymore, which is why they die
Wait. This game has lore?
Question, WHO THE HELL WAS ABLE TO DO THAT TO GODFREY, TURN THEM INTO A BOSS
I have come with a glorious purpose!
The thing that bothers me the most about ER lore is the amount of characters with similar names it had... Like wtf were they thinking???
Skipped over the brats
Miyazaki created thia world and even he himself is not sure🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤣what a bad joke this guy is
Reminds me of dark souls 3
How the lords failed and the task was given to the ashen one
So Gideon doesn’t die?
I don't think Greater Will itself grants Grace and Resurection, otherwise the moment we would threaten it's grasp over Lands between we would die in a ditch.
So I think it's not the Greater Will itself but Marika (who started this mess in the first place). I believe her idea was to break status quo, so that someone would rebuilt it better.
Or wipe it away entiery, she trusts our decision.
And I think the idea is if you quit playing the game for whatever reason it’s likely your character lost the guidance of grace.
How does the Tarnish die if Maliketh sealed death away? Like Godfrey? Is it because they weren't in the lands between?
“The guidance of grace is the power and purpose of the Erdtree” and the guidance of grace resurrects the tarnished to fulfill their purpose of becoming Elden Lord. So why does the Erdtree not allow the tarnished in? Which requires the Erdtree to be burned by the Giant’s Fire. Marika and Radagon are in the Erdtree being punished because Marika destroyed the Elden Ring. So why does the Erdtree protect them? Why do we, as tarnished, have to commit blasphemy by burning the Erdtree if it is the will of the Greater Will? Isn’t that, by definition, not blasphemy if it’s the will of the Outer God that gives power to grace and therefor the Erdtree? It all seems too paradoxical…
I love Elden Ring, one of my favorite games and it's story is interesting for sure and it's overarching plot is actually shockingly simple. But the lore is a fucking mess fed to you in cryptic little drops littered with names of things that people talk about but no one really knows what it is. Even on the wiki the descriptions of things are vague and don't actually tell you anything to the point that I think even the writers didn't know what this world was. RR martin is just not great at world building and I think hiring him was a mistake as all souls games are mysterious and cryptic but at least terms, names and places do get explained unlike elden ring where even the main writer probably couldn't tell you what grace actually is without babbling meaningless word spaghetti.
There’s no God except Allah
Resurrection by grace comes from Christ in the Bible.
Weird, Vyke almost become the Elden Lord but how? Without Greater Runes nor Defeating the Demi-Gods?
We still shouldn't be able to resurrect against maliketh's blade. I hate when they provide an in-universe reason to how we resurrect and then break it. Just like wold rezzing againt the final boss.
Tarnished are shown dead on the intro, but after that if I am not mistaken once you kill them they are dead for good. They don't show again; however, in the first moments, when Melina "rescues" you after the fight with grafted scyon, I think you do revive on your own, maybe that's why you are chosen by her, cause the grace seems to revive you more than once; or maybe is the other way around. She is the one that choses you and makes you able to revive.
Also consider this, tarnished also kind sounds like the word tar which I think it a metaphor for how tarring and feathering was funny and we should bring it back as a social norm
Prop to the greater will for not giving up on me after i died to Gideon the all spaming for 20th time
But it still leads to some confusion as to phase changes with bosses,so if we’re just simply revived after death then wouldn’t that mean bosses like godrick just reattached his hands after killing us? And the fire giant just grows his leg back.
My headcanon is that Grace only goes to the tarnished it thinks/sees in the future are most likely to succeed. So when a new tarnished comes along (the player) most other tarnished lose the guidance of grace because the grace sees that the player is going to become the Elden lord. This could be way off the mark since I’m around 35 hours into the game though lol
The more we delve deep in Elden lore, the more Frenzied Flame becomes the necessary outcome for the world. "MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD"
Now then why do tarnished NPC's disappear forever when you kill them?
So I wasn’t wrong, we are undead.
And corhyn and just about everyone else notes they can no longer see grace, and that its rare these days. Thus why other tarnished all die for good. Godfrey still sees it, but at the end he loses, and it is revoked as you are deemed more worthy of the elden ring
I assumed that Everyone in the game was in some way immortal because Destined Death is sealed until the tarnish releases it.
name another game that has lore behind respawning. this game is true art. 1600 hours and im still impressed by this masterpiece
This is actually really simple
Erdtree Controls grace
Dragon lord becomes 1st elden lord
Greaterwill reaches out to graced touched marika and used her to put a parisite on the tree when she becomes new elden lord
Greaterwill controls grace using the beast
Godfrey eliminates all threats Greater will takes grace from godfrey and leaves everything to marika and the elden beast to rule (hence two fingers not been talking to the greater will for ages)
Ranni kills Godwynn and Marika has a breakdown weakening the Elden Beast
Tree Regains Control of Grace resurrects the strongest people it can and some others with potential hoping to make a new lord and remove the Parasite
Tarnished slays demigods
Eldenbeast puts vines up to gaurd the entrance (Vines are parasitic to trees)
Tarnished burns the tree along with the vines
Elden Beast makes a last stand and is killed
Erdtree will heal and tarnish now has the choice to corrupt the eldenring/Tree(Frenzied Flame/Despair/Duskborn) or Leave the tree as is (Age of fracture) Or return it to the greater will (Age of order) Or hand let ranni take over possibly letting another outer god meddle with the lands of in between which might be good or bad
So our tarnished is basically the "chosen one" since they never die, even in conflict with other tarnished like Gideon and Horah Loux... They only need die once more, as an obsacle. Imagine dying, and finding out in that last breath you were just kindling for someone else's flame?
this is still a point of confusion for me. queen marika plucked the rune of death from the elden ring, so no one is allowed to die, right? even those who "live in death" are just affected by a curse, are they not?
I assumed it's more because when Marika exiles Godfrey to Badlands, and thus Godfrey becomes the the first Tarnished (Boo hoo "No Tarnished can become Elden Lord" my brother in Greater Will first Tarnished was literally the first Elden Lord) Marika promises them to return back to the Lands Between once they die in Badlands. That's why SIR GIDEON OFFFNIR, THE AAAAALL KNOWING! and others dead in the intro.
This dude just parried maliketh?! WTF
Just another reason why the chaos ending is the best ending.
more reasoning to side with the frenzied flame
As it was in Demon and Dark Souls. Death is no escape. There is no escaping the mission.
so this also explains why enemies revive when you rest at graces too, right? i've always wondered how it's supposed to work in elden ring. dark souls had the hollows and whatnot, bloodborne had the nightmare cycle justification, and sekiro had the.. uhh water.. thing? elden ring is a lot like bloodborne where greater powers can just make you live in a tormented cycle of rebirth for specific reasons and motives. pretty spooky
One of the main plot was in my interpretation :
Marika « killed » death itself by locking up it into her pet’s sword.
She decided to create an utopia, a world where life would never end, and your soul will be enchained in a cycle of resurrection for ever. So basically everything is immortal in Elden. What did I missed ?
The real answer is that if the player’s character actually died the game would be over.
I always thought it was destined death keeping them alive but this makes more sense
Okay but why enemies resurrect then?
Why did our tarnish just die tho if he’s that op 💀🫵 like why did he decide that godfrey become Elden lord 💀🫵
Because technically the age of “Death” is over in Elden Ring. Marika stole the rune of death and gave it to Maliketh. No one technically dies anymore
But if they are touched by grace, doesn't that make them not tarnished anymore?
Song?
I think it gets lots on people that most of the people we fight are just immortals whose minds withered away
Ez, cuz they gey
How do we revive after dying to maliketh.
What I don't get though is why all other Tarnished only get one shot before permadeath, yet player Tarnished gets infinite lives (even after dedicating yourself to the Greater Will's nemeses)
I think the world is a gorm of after life. I think the tarnished are just humans "traveling through the fog" of death.
All the characters in the cutscene seem dead already, I think this is like waking up in purgatory, with it's own dimention of politics znd unkowns. Perhaps there will be layers to peel away. Like I think the dlc is a new dream layer inside this after life.
Or maybe it's just souls inception...
Who is Grace?
I may have misunderstood this, but to my understanding people before The Shattering were essentially immortal. They would still die, but their bodies would be brought to the roots of the Erdtree, their soul would then be absorbed by the Erdtree and be made into a golden leaf. When there is not enough room for new leaves, one falls off and that soul is reborn as the leaf falls toward the ground.
The Tarnished, due to their lack of Grace, cannot be buried or absorbed by the Erdtree and thus they cannot die. It's why they awaken at Sites of Grace, they're bound to fragments of shattered Grace.
It's a game, that's why. Why do the enemies reappear every time you rest at a site of grace? It's just a game mechanic.
So if a Tarnished no longer sees the grace and dies he will die for good wont he? Thats what happens to the npc's of the game. Also if you want to destroy the erdtree and begin a new age why the greater will keeps resurrecting you
Godwyn would have been perfect if not for fucking Ranni….
Hmm
I threw a molten honeybun at the red tree and got the frenzied flame ending
Jesus loves you trust him Amen
As things progress. I doubt Melina has connection with greater will.
Then why can I kill the other tarnished?
Those Tarnished might have lost their grace, some Tarnished (such as Nepheli) said that she can't see the guidance of grace anymore, implying that she lost her grace
So how do we explain that a lot of the enemies in the game come back to life then?
Never have I heard a better explanation as to what the tarnished are. Thank you VERY much!!!!!!!!😆✨
Is the greater will like God from Demon's Souls? An all powerful master who, while not micromanaging the world, still watches over all and is just like "Bro why can't these people just git gud..."
Yes
Mortality kinda sucks but being unable to die would be worse.
Compared to it DS had more nice lore. They soon will loss their mind by faiing over and over thus they lose hope and than become hollow 😅 Which makes us feel it.
Just imagine u failing to kill The nameless king so many times and decider to uninstall the game which meant u became hollow ❤
Because myazaki don't known How to work whitout this concept, same way he don't known how to create a lively and funcional wourld whitout that post apocalyptic shit.
If Horah Loux's grace returns the moment before he fights the Tarnished, why didn't he resurrect?
I found a Dollar store vaatividya
in my head cannon it’s because all the other tarnished literally lost the ambition to become a lord (or never had it in the first place) and are like “I’m just gonna pass time until I naturally age and die” while us the player, no matter how many times we died, we never lost our purpose
I mean, Gideon never even wanted to become a lord stating, even in death “a tarnished cannot become a lord”
Godfrey was cast aside by grace when he declared he lost all of his will to fight, Rodericka just wants to spirit tune all day long, Fia never wanted to become a lord, only to birth a lord, Dung Eater just wants to defile and ruin basically everything, Yura lost his will to live after slaying all the bloody fingers without getting Eleonora back, Rogier isn’t even a tarnished imo but I might be wrong on it
So on and so forth, only us the player never actually let go of their ambition to become a lord
imagine if guidance in baldur’s gate 3 worked like this. immortality button for your first cleric cantrip let’s go
not just tarnished, everyone in the lands between cannot die.
That’s some grace considering the amount of times my ass has been slain
Ohhh that little detail about the grace appearing next to each of the major characters in the intro was neat. I thought my opinion of the erdtree couldn't get any lower.
Follow the Guidance of Grace. Don’t you dare go Hollow!
One question: did Fia ever die? I realize she could have simply been lying, but in her introduction, she says she was lying with a noble to resurrect him, as Deathbed Companions do, when she was suddenly called by Grace and driven from her homeland. That to me suggests that she had not actually died yet, but perhaps the Greater Will decided that her order was worth giving a shot. Of course, she could also be lying through her teeth.
The rune of death was shattered. That isnwhy the tarnished are immortal, silly
So we can say that in the game when we meet others tarnished claims to seen guidance of grace in past but can't anymore are free people who can now die peacefully?