Take Corners Faster! How To Install a Panhard Bar
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Here is another installment of the #FairmontProject rear suspension upgrades. In this installment I go over my struggles installing a panhard bar from Maximum Motorsports. Most of those issues came from the fact that my Fairmont isn't as straight as I would have liked it to be. I still get things sorted out in the end as you'll see in the video.
That said, the video contains detailed information on how a panhard bar works, and how to install one onto a fox body Ford. In other words, if you're doing this on a Mustang from 79-92 you'll be following the same procedure. Or any other fox body for that matter.
Special thanks to Jack Hindley and Kolton Sinclaire for all their help.
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Thanks Eric your teaching me a lot with these suspension videos
Yesterday I didn't even know what a torque arm or a pan hard bar was
Mission accomplished. Thanks for the comment.
Eric don't be sad. Many of us love fairmont project, cheers ;)
Love the Fairmont project. It has taught me how much goes into these kind of builds. It's not just off-the-shelf parts and simple how-to pamphlets. There's a lot of trial & error & try again. Thanks as always, Eric!
I love the longer videos and the amazing quality you maintain through out.
I do not understand how people can be tired of your Fairmont videos. Love them, good work!
Hands down! Best install video on CZcams of the Maximum Motorsports Panhard Bar 🤘
been following you since you first started . and if they don't wanna hear about your build . they need to think about all the times you unlocked the key to repair something car related. I'm thankful for your videos. often people forget to follow their passion as you are doing. so Fairmont for the win!
Thank you for taking the time to make these videos, Eric! I really enjoy them and help me a ton!
At first I was a bit thrown off by the clickbait-y thumbnails and titles, but after your previous video I understand completely, anything to keep the channel going :)
And the Fairmont videos are not getting boring, I still find them educational and fun. Keep doing what you think is best 👍
I fully agree in this case as well. GoogTube is doing everything they can to please the queen (CEO) and her CZcams RED scheme. That includes forcing people out of their channels and in some cases jobs. Funny how we had to fight exactly this kind of thing years ago, but now, with their backs against the wall, we have to accommodate for it. It will certainly make things going forward (IE discerning the good ones from the bad ones) hard.
for some reason i though the title meant he was going to give advice on how to cut corners to get flaterate techs to improve their efficiency, like using a pry bar to reset brake calipers pistons instead of using a brake caliper tool.
you know what i am saying?
How are they clickbait-y ? does he not install panhard bar in this video ?
aserta that is not why everyone on youtube is struggling, youtube RED has nothing to do with it, the fact that multiple advertisers are pulling their ads off is what is killing content creators
You Tube has been losing a huge amount of money since it was started. Alphabet (Google) has been trying to fix that but it is struggling and still loses money. This whole set-up will end if they can't earn a profit.
lobmin that was my first thought too, bright colors and stuff.
Thanks much for the PHB and TA videos. I'm in the midst of doing this to my 88 Mustang, and it's proving to be very interesting getting it done on the floor with jackstands.
Know what I love most about your Fairmont videos Eric?
How happy it makes you, even little jobs like your singing at 38 minutes in, you clearly love what you're doing and that makes me happy to see!
The camera work showing the detail is much appreciated.
Love watching your videos you're the only how-to car videos I watch. keep up the videos even threw the ruff times. "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger".
Regardless of what type of videos you put out, it's imperative that people show support for this channel no matter what. Love the vids!
Sharing is caring!
I love your Maximum Motorsports suspension parts install videos! Helps me alot with the installs in my Fox Mustang. 👍🏻
i thank you for keep put out content, it got take alot work to edit and get it on youtube. not include the time it actually took to do the job
Thank you for your comment.
Hi Eric, you should break this long video into at least two or three separate videos. That increases your number of views and increases your revenue. I'm not a big fan of the Fairmont project but I do learn a few things. Thanks for posting. Take care and stay dirty.
I purposely didn't do that because I've had many complaints about the #FairmontProject dragging on too long. Also, my experience withe multiple part videos is that you loose a lot of viewers after the first episode. Thanks for your input.
I kinda like this being a longer video. It's a long job, and this reflects reality (closer to reality, anyway - I'm sure it took more than an hour, though!) It beats waiting a week for part 2, then trying to remember all the details of the previous episode so I can understand how and why you're setting things up in a specific way. Awesome vid, mate. :-)
A couple of the guys I watch on You Tube now divide up there videos into a couple parts and it increases their revenue and they make it easy to watch them in order. The next segment just comes up automatically so it is no problem.
i like the title, because it shows the point of the stiffer suspension, plus the part where you compare the rocking from before!
Your videos are like ASMR to me. Something about watching someone who knows what they're doing do stuff is very relaxing. Great video!
I like how these videos show all that the challenge it takes to build a car. Most videos I see cut quite a bit out hiding mistakes which make it gives the illusion that a person can have a godly mechanic skill. Watching you Eric shows that yeah you'll have issues like breaking a bolt and maybe have to take parts off multiple times to get the job done.
My OCD kicked in when you only shimmed one side of the frame before final assembly.
But after seeing the final result I am glad that you got everything dialed in. I know I would be relieved seeing the axle location being equidistant to the fender on each side. All that work surely paid off.
I really enjoyed this series, and I hope you continue to do more build/fab videos. I like seeing the two sides to your mechanical abilities: repair and construction.
Keep at it, bud.
Greetings from Houston Tx,
-A long time loyal subscriber.
Eric, I've never told another man this, but I love your rear end. It's amazing.
Thanks, I was worried I was looking fat in those jeans.
Eric love the car! Thank you for maintaining a high level of quality. I see to much sawsall hack work on CZcams. It is extremely important to paint the holes , and measure every thing ten times.I have always found that if you make it safe and serviceable, it always ends up looking really good.Your car is proof of that.Again thank you.
Love your videos; format and humor! Please don't get jaded. Thanks for sharing!
Love it when Cameraman Brian steps out from behind the viewfinder.
AGREED, John Ferguson! We love when Brian gets involved, and he provides great comedy relief at times, too!
Someone's got to be the pro... and voice of reason ;)
bantz001 - LOL! True dat!
Your content is the best man. I know how much it takes to shoot and put these out. Much appreciated!
Love those long videos! Great job Eric. Clicked LIKE before even watching.
Wow, what a great video and I can't believe all the variables you had to contend with! I always learn a few things and that really helps.Keep up the good work and yes Oliver is cool and a hit, what a sleeper!
i like it when he uses a dead blow hammer, its MY go-to move when something doesn't get off or go on right.
i once used a deadhead rubber mallet to take off a stuck alloy-rim on a Lexus, dead blows and rubber mallets, a mechanics best friend!
I'd say this was a winner. 40 minutes in and can't stop watching. Love the on camera personality by the way.
Thanks Eric for the detailed video love the way to explain everything that really helps us guy/gals that never did this before i really appreciate that
Great stuff Eric. Looking forward to this being finished, as I expect you are too. Thank you for going to all the effort of documenting this. After your ETCG1 video I hope things continue once you're done. I've been a subscriber and a premium member for years!
Thanks. I can't wait for it to be done either. All this work, I want to drive it! Thanks for your continued support.
I love this series. You make the best automotive content on CZcams!
Eric, I appreciate the hard work and time spent showing what actually goes in to doing a job/project like this. This project was the whole reason I sub'd. I enjoy the repair videos and they are useful, but this has been extremely entertaining and beneficial. I had just started doing a rather difficult build when I found your channel in the first place. Keep it up
I love building this car. I hope I get to do more in the future. I'm just hoping those don't take as long. ;)
I love your Videos.....good camera work and its good to see the logic in your thinking...and love your videos...!!
Love the Fairmont video's and being a non-gearhead, I'm learning that it's truly not for the unskilled or weak minded. I retired from the electronic and computer network field and started working part time at a auto part supplier as a delivery guy. By the way I've used plenty of your repair videos as well especially because I have the 2.4 vtech.
Woah, you were definitely serious about the thumbnail haha. All good though, hope you can keep going for many years to come
This car will be insane!!! I love it Eric... Keep good work.
Fairmont videos are not getting boring. They are very educational.
found your videos and this one specifically as im looking to do this to an LT1 F-body i picked up....more involved than i had previously thought....
I have fallen out of love with Fairmont but I watched it anyway because I'm jealous of you working with all the brand new parts. I'm more into restoration so a brand new part seem soooo..!! Attractive
very nice I'm going with this setup this time on my 89 hatchback but I had the steeda 5 link setup on my 88 notchback and loved it.
this vid was gold... your on camera personality was funny as shit in this video (and informative) haha!
Thanks. I'm actually working on a new style that will air next week that I hope will be even better. Let me know what you think of that one when it comes out.
Thumb nail threw me off for a second, but the length of the video drew me in. Love long videos! Excellent work sir.
"Hi I'm high" I love it! Keep up the awesome videos buddy, I love watching them!
Eric, new subscriber. Refreshing to see a guy on youtube using correct tools and methods. Your brand of satire toward wrench pulling shows that you are no rookie.
This is the 1st time for me seeing "Eric the Car Guy". I like it, now subscribed.
Thanks for the video. Something you might find helpful, if a bolt has the hardness marks on the top of the head (3 tick marks, 6 tick marks etc.), it should use a standard wrench’s. If it has numbers like 8.8, 10.9 etc., it should use metrics wrenches.
Loving the build so far. Even though I dislike fords. Great work Eric. I heard lots of time went into this video. Keep the build going mate
That Astro pneumatic saw is the best thing ever. I absolutely love mine.
I didn't have any popcorn but I still jumped back in my seat! Good video and entertaining.
panhard bar instillation very nicely done.
I've just had a ton of information downloaded to my brain! Suspension parts are so much more than springs and stuts!
"Bet you would have dropped your popcorn." LOL!
Stopped the video to pop popcorn... LITERALLY!!!
awesome video! getting ready to install one of these on my fox!
Love the fan hanging from the engine hoist, definitely something I would do. Can't wait to see the fruits of all that labor pay off. Stay cool and stay dirty.
That look Camera man Brian gives at 17:35 is pure gold.
Thanks for all the videos and useful info brother!
That left side shock mount takes a little work to line everything up. My panhard bar bracket ended up not being exactly square (it had to do with the frame rail width and spacing) but the bar is. The bar wasn't horizontal with stock lower control arms but after installation of the MM control arms (with the adjustable spring perches) all is good. Excellent video.
It's 2am and I am watching Eric doing his thing even though I don't even own a car. Good night...
Didn't realize a "old fashioned" live axle could get that complicated. I learned me some stuffs
I literally just ordered one yesterday, it actually looks like a pain in the ass...lol But thanks for the video I now know what to expect. 🇺🇸
Hi Eric , to cut the small tubes on the assembly I use plumbers mini tube cuter to get a accurate line round a tube ,but you can't use it in all situations , as you show the tape idea works well. Looking forward to the next video
Read AND follow the instructions, Eric. Great progress. When using a plumb bob, measure from the 1" mark on the tape measure. Prevents moving the string and is more accurate anyway. A tape measure is accurate when measuring from the inside only when the end piece is under compression, and they get "sloppy" with use / abuse. Just remember to do this for both sides!
Great tip. Thanks!
And since advice is free, when measuring the depth for the crush sleeves, just put them in and scribe a mark with the sleeves inserted...that is the exact amount of material you need to remove. You can then transfer that depth using a ruler or, even better, a scriber (like a protractor). Much faster and more accurate. Old carpentry trick. And glad you showed the tape to mark when cutting a cylinder; deadly accurate.
Thanks again for the great info. I'll have to try that next time.
WOW! Eric! I like the eye catching thumbnail. Hopefully that will help in getting more views as it really pops on the screen. I follow you and the Fairmont project as a premium member, so I normally don't pay attention to the videos on your main channel (and catch the ETCG1 videos on Sunday).
Great work, Eric.
Love the fox build keep em coming
Sweet install!!!!
As usual awesome Video keep theme coming.
This car is gonna be awesome
I've told you one on Facebook, I'll say again on here, the 15 second ads are nothing to endure in reward for a video.
Also +1 subscriber who approves of the thumbnail intention. Cable TV isn't free, and this is up to TV quality, so I don't mind paying in another form that isn't actual currency.
Great video and great information
Damn Eric the Welder Guy doing some overhead lap joints. Nice
Nice looking unit, especially for bolt in application
awesome video. Great work.
Wow Eric, the rear end looks incredible. Now that its all put together its super sexy! You should be proud.
Love this project.
Looks like a quality kit I must say you have more patience than I haha
Yes Eric!! I put a MM pandhard bar on my 95 Mustang GT.. That paired with only subframe connectors made the car way more predictable and be able to put power down on the corners.
GET SOME ERIC. GET SOME
awesome video, thanks just what i needed to learn
Thanks for the videos. Was very interesting.
NICE! Now the only side-to-side movement you'll have is the sidewall flex of the tires.
finally a long one thank you :)
Very good job friend keep it up!
Hey Eric, first off... I love the fairmont videos. I've watched every one of them so far. So I wouldn't worry about trying to change your entire channel. You've got great content and people who say they want repair videos could just as easily watch these and learn something new as well. Secondly, I just installed a panhard bar on my mustang. I noticed that you had nice big wrenches to tighten down the lock (jam) nuts on either end. However, should you begin to hear a loud clunking noise after a few miles of driving and have trouble figuring out where it's coming from... go back and check those jam nuts! I found that mine had loosened up after driving so I went back and used some blue locktite on the threads. Haven't had a problem since! Keep up the great work and stay dirty
One of the nice things about American classics / youngtimers: You can seriously improve drivability and agility by adding century old techniques. Techniques that were obsolete already in Japanese or European car designs when the car was build: The Panhard rod is pre WW-I (1908?). The Fox body was sold until 1993. Still didn't have such high tech inventions.
amazing videos man!! i dont think people understand how much of a beast this car is going to be, and why it takes so long to do such an involved build. most people just do engine trans and new ecu. ur literally doing everything on the car. lets see them do it faster! aha great build man cant wait to see some burnouts!!!!
That's an understatement. I've gone a lot further than I was thinking originally, but I think it's going to be worth it. Thanks for the comment.
np man and yah it will be more than worth it!
when using that leveler...assuming the shop floor is level to begin with?
Love the videos Eric I'm 17 and learning a lot about cars as I want to go into diesel mechanics when I grow up and this is teaching me a lot about how stuff works I'm thinking about rebuilding a chevy 350 soon...
All great ideas and I highly recommend looking into diesel. Good luck with your build and with your possible career. #StayDirty
Jakob Breazier If you can look into heavy plant machinery, 360 excavators big mining dump trucks hydrolic systems very useful too. Electric motors will not replace big diesel things any time soon like it is passenger vehciles. In the middle of a logging operation, pit mine or huge construction project somewhere there's no electricity unless it comes from a huge diesel generator. There is always work if you're prepared to travel, and big money to be earned. If some guy is losing tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of dollars per hour that a particular machine is down he will pay a lot to get it producing again. If you are the only guy that can do it, you can name your price. lots of variety, no to days the same. Engineering is awesome no matter which area you specialise in. I worked in a huge brewery and the production lines where amazing, when the went down company lost about $3k per minute. The guys that repaired them did very well indeed. Even the guy who was on call 24/7 to fix the forklift could charge huge money for simple fixes just because its 3am and the company needs that thing working now.
Good luck with your career wherever you go and look after your back! You are never too young to ruin your back. Destroyed mine aged 24/25 and three years later I'm laying here waiting for surgery.
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Jakob Breazier Awesome, go for it, take full advantage of the sweet deals you get on tools as a student, buy the good stuff once and it will last a lifetime. By all means have fun, its a great time of life, but stay focused and dedicated it pays of so good in the future, I'm in a rough patch now but still doing ok in the long run, happily married for 5 years (its not for everyone!) Got a house and future prospects. My school lied to us and told us (my generation) not to bother learning a trade. they told us it was poorly paid and the only way to a good future was to go to university and and persue education for its own sake. Utter bullshit. All the people I know who are plumbers and electrians and mechanics etc are all doing great earning twice what everybody else does. All the literature and arts graduates are making coffee and burgers for minimum wage living with parents until their 40 or maybe rent a single room, with nothing better to do than drink what little money the do have every weekend. Cat is a solid business and company, I wish you all the best.
Thx man
interesting vid and I must say, extremely good HD quality and sound.
Thanks.
*excellent vid eric*
Great content as always!
Thank you! This may be the last of this type of video on this channel. I'm working on a new way of editing and presentation that I hope will make the content even better. Thanks for your comments and support.
Video posted 6 minutes ago and your comment 14 hours ago. Well done youtube
chiwas- It was probably a private video for a time before being made public.
Love the vids Eric
Great video! Makes me thankful for owning a modernish (90's) car with IRS.
Independent rear suspension suddenly looks so much easier.
A lot more expensive and believe it or not, heavier. It would have been cool though. Perhaps one day I'll swap it out. I have seen foxes with new Cobra IRS systems fitted.
And believe it or not, not much better than a solid axle with a torque arm and panhard bar/watts link. IRS from a 99-04 cobra sucks and isnt tgat good of a design compared to other cars that are designed with IRS frok the beginning
Hello Eric, I did the shimmy test but I had the rear axle supported with jack stands and the front tires on the ground. The rear did not move at all and I do not have a pan hard rod, if your doing a demistration it should eliminate any factors that could affect it like having the rear tires on the ground.
Hey Eric, just an FYI, the angle of the PHB doesn't matter a whole lot, certainly not the amount you have. The only thing the angle of the PHB is going to control is whether or not the lateral movement from the PHB's arc is going to be consistent in compression of the suspension as it is extension of the bar. Generally speaking, that is why you want the PHB mounted level unless you are on an oval track. Small angles wont matter much and if you are really paranoid about lateral axle movement then you should have bought a Watts link to begin with! The only downside with having one end higher is it will move at an angle rather than in an arc but at the small angle you have this will be minimal. Also, SOME angle can help fight engine torque rotating the rear axle assembly about the driveshaft on hard launches which is why on the 2005-2014 Mustangs the PHB was angled slightly downward on the driverside from the factory.
Also, installing a PHB with a 4 link is a surefire way to destroy your torque boxes IF, and I want to reiterate the IF part, you have UCA's with anything but factory rubber bushings. The reason why is because the UCA's were angled inward to locate the axle laterally and they define an entirely different rear roll center than the PHB does. The roll center is, in effect, the point at which the suspension rotates. For a PHB it's the halfway point of the PHB, for the converging UCA's it's going to be the point at which lines drawn through the UCA's intersect. The UCA's definitely intersect above the PHB's RC and as the suspension compresses while cornering, it WILL force one of the UCA's to "change length". With factory bushings this is done through bushing compression but with aftermarket bushings it is done with the unibody (since the UCA is generally stiffer than the unibody). Generally speaking, if you want to run the PHB with an UCA and not a torque arm, you should yank the driver side UCA. This will still put A LOT of force into the unibody, but only because all of the pinion angle control is being done through the single UCA instead of both. It's far less stress than poly bushing UCA's (which are a no-no anyway) or rod end UCA's trying to change length due to conflicting RC's though! The best solution is, as you've done, a Torque Arm setup.
These have been some epic videos. Stumbled into this series while looking at how to rebuild a T5 as well as tear down a 302 and rebuild it as I'm about to purchase a 89 GT that needs that work done due to a blown head gasket and bad lifter, as well as a notchy 2nd and grinding 5th gear.
+EricTheCarGuy I don't know that there's a more articulate, thorough and friendly mechanic on the internet at the moment. Your videos are a wealth of information, it's unfortunate that CZcams is screwing you over after all the effort you put into shooting and editing your content. Keep doing what you're doing, as long as you can.
Thank you very much for that. I really appreciate your support.
Thank you for this vid.
Why did you drop that control arm on us!? I was watching intently Made me flinch haha
Hi Eric,
I'm curious as to why you didn't just weld a piece of flat bar to the frame next to the bump stop to keep the surface level and add a little strength to the frame at the same time?