What Is A Nicker and How To Make One
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For a rabbit or rebate plane or combination plane, there is a spur or nicker that cuts the fibers in front of the iron for a clean cross-grain cut.
How to make a Nicker or spur for a hand plane
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The steel banding that stuff gets strapped to pallets with is good sharpenable steel and the right thickness.
My knickers went south years ago, knackered elastic. Now I know how to fix them. 😁
Thanks man, there were a few nickers missing from my fields but I got some new ones.
I’ve got two nickers missing from my combination plane so this is perfect thanks.
James, you are on CZcams fire lately. Must be the dad jokes and elements of educated-sarcastic humor. Thanks for having fun and sprinkling some woodworking knowledge these days.
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thanks man! I will keep them coming!
Mine is a Craftsman and the nicker is washer shape with some notches, glad I don't need to make one. Thank you.
I was about to say, no jokes 😢 then out of nowhere you let us have it, great video! 😂😂😂😂
"Warning: not ASMR" - that had me laughing
Great trick! I've also successfully used old sawzall, circular saw, and bandsaw blades for various purposes.
Great conclusion too...
Thanks, this came in the nick of time, as it’s time for a nick.
This was very timely! My Stanley 289 came with nickers, but they were both worn out. I had an old Starrett (thicker than a regular hacksaw blade) so I tried using it. After I was done, I noticed that it was HSS, no wonder it did not file as easy as yours... Anyway, thanks again for showing this in detail, it was very helpful.
I feel like this vid is an early Xmas gift. I needed a knicker for my craftsman rabbet plane
You solved the problem of the knicker nicking off
Fantastic, James! Thanks! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Excellent explanation, advice, and demonstration, James! Thank you very much!
You da man - was just starting to think about this for my first plough plane and here you are with a perfect video. Thanks
thanks
And I've been throwing my old hacksaw blades away. Live and learn.
Nice idea, I might attempt this!
They do sell spare spurs, for the Stanley 78 model I have at least, however Stanley changed the spur size at some point and the new ones don’t fit my copy of the plane.
After buying the plane second hand and paying for international shipping, VAT and whatnot, I discivered that the hardware store up the street from me still sell the same antique looking Stanley 78 new and I could have bought it there instead of my shabby one the same cost.
Wow that is cool!
Great vid. I'll make a new spur or two for my SW heart 55 that came with the screws but no spurs! Should be straight forward as they are not a 'cross' pattern but are straight. Thanks 👍
Great job . The reason we call them spurs over here is that the word knickers is another name for lady's underpants 😂😂😂
It means that here in the US, too, but isn't used very commonly. I mainly hear it in the expression "don't get your knickers in a twist" (or "bundle," as James says - regional difference?) meaning something like "don't get too upset," especially used when someone's upset about something that doesn't matter much.
Getting your 'nickers' in a twist is a very different problem that this very video is probably the solution to
Very useful, James. Thank you.
Thank you so much James! Been waiting for this video to use my plane!🙏
Have u ever tried making a knicker like the ones that come on the low Nielsen rabbeting block plane? It’s just a circle with a bevel around the edge. Ive tried but not having much luck. Thanks for all your videos I really enjoy them.
For something like that I would just buy a replacement. They still make those now.
Thankyou for the video. I have beennwanting to make one of these for some time. Good to have a tested method.
Thanks James, this was great
Nice!!!
Having one as sample I made a dxf model and made laser cut 50 of them.
How big is the heat affected zone with the laser? i.e. if you're cutting hardened steel , how far do you need to grind back to get into metal that hasn't been softened by the local heat from the cut?
@@AllanMacMillan No effect at all since it it is not high carbon steel. I filed, carburized, heat and quench some of them later. The result was pretty fine.
Very cool job
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1) HOLD THE METAL WITH A VISE GRIP before drilling. NOTE: otherwise hospitals and stitches may be inolved. Not to mention a nasty cleanup. And why don't you have a countersink? Harbor Freight etc. not near you?
2) Once you have the hole drilled, take a bit of posterboard or an old playing card (useful for lots of stuff in the shop), and cut out a pattern for the nicker. Mark the metal with a permanent marker, and scribe the metal using the pattern.
3) NOW cut out the pointy end and bevel it's edges. This allows you to hold onto it without trouble.
4) Finish filing the sides. Then cut it off, deburr, and you're good to go.
Yeah holding it with my hand is a bit sketchy but honestly with the amount of leverage on it it's not a big deal. Especially since I had it in the vise so that if it rotated the job advice would catch it. I did think about making a pattern however drawing that small of a pattern is incredibly difficult and it was easier to just create the shape that it was to try and fit a pattern. But to each their own. You need to cut the bevel after cutting out the small shape because the bevel isn't flat like a plane or chisel it wraps around the iron and creates a rounded surface.
Really informative and gave me some ideas for using old saw blades but ... I will never get the hang of your size numbering system for drills etc. instead of real measurements.
Small drill bits come in number sizes as opposed to decimals or fractions. It's closely related to gauge sizes. But there's a whole series of numbers and letters that reference specific sizes of bits. I've got a link in the description to it set showing what I'm talking about if you want to see more.
Hi James, Just thought of a question on this topic. Are all of the Stanley Spur (or nicker) screws the same size and thread pitch across the 45, 50, 78 and 289?
I do not know for sure. But on the combination planes I would guess they would all be the same.
Great video, thanks.
I'm thinking of adding a nicker to my homemade wooden rabbet plane, would you recommend this method with a woodscrew to attach it? Most vintage planes seem to use a long metal cutter instead, is that a better approach?
I do not think I would trust a wood screw to do the work. maybe if you made it longer and put in a bigger screw.
I have a wooden skew rabbet plane that is missing it’s nicked as well. You’re right, it’s a long, thin piece of metal w/a sharpened tip, which is held in a sliding dovetail-type channel on the plane’s side. I’m thinking of making one out of a small file, but I’m not sure of the geometry of the tip? Perhaps a rounded, beveled tip, like the one here?
Did you just make a spur (spare) Nicker so that you don't run out?
Thanks for the sharp tip!
I have a combination plane I bought a while back that does have both of it's nickers but despite a liberal soaking in WD40 one of them is thoroughly stuck.
Anyone got any thoughts on getting the screw out without damaging screw, nicker or plane? Thanks
Penetrating oil, if that doesn't work then heat. And if that doesn't work then it's drilling it out.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Thanks for getting back to me. I think I'll put that off until I absolutely need it out. I'm a bit reticent to give heating it up a go but might have to one day.
I know WD40 make a release penetrant in their specialist range now so I'll maybe give that a go first. Thanks
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Hi James...love the channel. Watch regularly, but first time with a comment/question. Is the screw that holds the spur in place a "standard" size screw. I had a maim a screw to get the spur unstuck from a #78 and now I'm trying to figure out if I can replace it with a standard screw. I've heard that Stanley frequently used non-standard size screws.
That one is a standard thread size however I don't remember what it is off hand. Unfortunately it is a really tiny head and it only holds with one or two threads usually it would have to be something specialty made. So if you don't have the screw I would probably say go and buy a replacement screw. You can get that on the parts division or one of the online sellers on handtoolfinder.com
I have exactly the same stuck screw problem but haven't so far had to risk doing damage to the screw so have been avoiding it
Thanks! But what to do if the screw for the spur is stuck and the head stripped?
oh that is not a fun one. If penitrating oil and heat do not loosen it then the only option is to drill it out and re tap.
Thank you for responding! Do you maybe know the size and thread for the screw of a stanley 45? Ps, watch your channel a lot; my house full of old tools now 😂
The only problem is as well as two spurs missing also missing the small screws .
ya those screws are not easy to find that small.
See comment below.
I noticed there were no ‘no knickers’ jokes.
The vast majority of the audience is from the US and they would not get it.
Does a nicker do any good while working along grain? No matter what I do, I end up with a rabbet that becomes narrower with every pass, like there's a ladder on the inside wall. Would a nicker prevent that?
it will not help with that, but it will not hurt. the problem with that is that your Iron is not flush with the outside and or you are not pushing the fence ageist the board strong enough. some people like to have the iron stick out by the thickness of a piece of paper to help scratch the side clean.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Thank you! My iron is sticking out a tiny bit, so it must be me not pushing the fence strong enough.
I'm surprised...When my tongue hits the sharpie line, I just find it leaves a bad taste.
comment down below.
Don't get your knickers in a knot over no nickers
Yeah but don’t get them twisted….
What is ASMR?
That is a hard question to answer.
I'm sorry your channel is about to get canceled. I enjoyed it.
As of writing this this video has 404 likes, does that mean the likes are not found? Because someone nickerd them?
And we did not saw that pun-spree at the end comming...
Just don't knacker yer knuckles making a nicker
This needs a better name
Im a big nicker
Thanks