Peter Williamson, what a legend. I think he has passed away now but in 1979-80 what he and all the tech blokes achieved with racecam led to what we see today. Good onya mate.
I am impressed that they had developed the in car video at that stage, as this technology was first developed by Channel Seven for Bathurst... they were first in the world to do this...
@@ToranaA9X308 Not so... I do remember seeing an american documentary about motorsport that actually did Credit Australians for developing this technology... When I was growing up in the 1960s... There was very much still then and sense of Australia was in theory to other countries--especially to England--it is time that we start to develop our industrial capabilities, and our billeted to develop new technologies, so that we do not continue to believe that we inferior to others, but they're equals... How about you recognising that, and not giving a fuck that others don't recognise it... What is important we were first! Let's start making Australia and Australians achieve more first in our technology and industry... And in our culture and society as one that is free and fair to all!
Halcyon days of a halcyon era. I was 18 and a huge Holden supporter having grown up with their series. First family car I remember we had was the iconic EH series.Dad had 179 hydramatic Special station wagon.Very cool ! The A9X was a giant killer & as good as the Falcon coupe was, not even their best could keep with them. So sad that we've lost our own indigenous car industry. The government involved should be tried for treason,a national disgrace.
I agree too. Automobiles back then did have more character and 'personality', and I think it's because nothing back then had to be as aerodynamically=sound as cars are today.
The Falcon hardtops yes, the Chargers yes, the Camaro and Monaros yes, the Jags and Alfa Romeos but not the horrible Toranas. Just 'nothing' cars with nothing looks and very little character. Only fast because of a shoe-horned-in big engine. Then again I'm biased, being a Chrysler first, then Falcon person.
By 1979 it was over for moffat.. he was running on a shoe string budget.. ford treated him like shit and gave him peanuts it was disgraceful from Ford management
Peter Brock and Jim Richards, what a dream team! Brock was of course the king of the mountain and Jim Richards is the best all round touring car driver I've seen. Put them in a HDT A9X and they're as close to unbeatable as could be.
The car was lavished in the best gear available. He really had no competition in those days. That car ran another 1000km at Lang Lang. Unfortunately the track has been changed , the dipper has been flattened run offs added to corners. The Chase was a positive but it is living on borrowed days before they slow it down. The next big crash will do it.
WTF are you talking about. Brock ran a 10 bolt Salisbury did with a Detroit locker and a super T10 4 speed virtually every Torana out there ran that combination. The 308 waf a FAR superior engine in race conditions because it hung together unlike the Cleveland boat anchor that REGULARLY detonated with moffat Carter Johnson an co spending years and buckets of money to make them reliable. The results prove beyond any doubt the Torana was a superior package. Lightweight stable easily set up rack and pinion steering not the antique steering and suspension of the ford rubbish dating back to the 60s.
It was 1.919 (basically 2 km) long in those days. The fastest touring car speed ever recorded before The Chase was built in 1987 was by Tom Walkinshaw in the John Goss V12 Jaguar XJS in 1984. Using one of TWR's more highly developed 450 bhp Group A engines, Tom was recorded at 290 km/h (180.1 mph) during qualifying for the 1984 race. Here in 1979, Brock did 158 mph (254 km/h) in the Torana while the quickest Ford on the straight was Bond at 161 mph (259.1 km/h)
I can listen to Evan and Mike for hours. My ears and intelligence are not insulted. I can figure out and learn about what's going on with a calmness and appropriate expression without the dramas and repeats of dramas and emotions. The current commentators shout out information and constantly repeat themselves with their over dramatic expressions talking at the speed of 300wps. I actually watched the Bathurst this year with the sound on mute.
Best track in the world, it's got everything, massive elevation change, on camber corners off camber corners slow corners fast corners sweepers, it's fast and dangerous, seriously name another track in the world better. Spa and Laguna Seca only ones that come close. Australia doesn't have a whole lot to brag about but I'm convinced we have the world's best racetrack.
Australia doesn’t have a lot to brag about , are you kidding me . I know this comment is 7 years old but give me a break. One of the most spectacular countries in the world .
Ford withdrawal of any support effectively made this race a 1 make race . The fastest Falcon was nearly 4 seconds slower than the previous year and had no development .
The lack of caution laps / yellow flags is astounding. Oh, we've got a service truck on the track? That's okay. Just drive around that guy as he tows away the latest wreck! I just wonder what would happen if Peter Brock was forced back due to a caution. Would he still steal the lead like he did at the start?
it really looks like you're way out in the country with this footage. Yes, I'm well aware where Bathurst is. I was even there on Sunday but you watch the footage of the race these days with all the modern features and the way they frame their shots it may as well be set in a capital city
I started watching in about 1988 and I can't recall if the Chase was built by then or not but to imagine the speed u could get now if Conrod was still full length :P yes, I know that's why they changed it :P
Seems from what I've read that the principal impediment of the Clevo 351 was oil starvation under high revs and G forces. The sump design was the culprit because it was placed to the front of the engine in contrast to the Holden V8 which had the sump to the rear. This meant that under extreme acceleration the oil in the Ford pooled to the back of the sump away from the pickup resulting in insufficient lubricant when it was most needed. Moffat warned the Ford big shots about this design flaw but they wouldn't spend any money on rectifying the problem and these factors help explain why the Falcons couldn't last the distance against the Holdens during this period.
Great racing with all the different cars glory days ,ciggie company colours looked great on the Toranas and the money the ciggie companies chucked at racing was more than the car copmanies did
The good old days when smokes were cheap. People could afford to buy their favourite car and a carton of winfield red. Nowadays most smokers throw more money at their habit then anything else leaving little aside for transportation.
@@Johnnosmitho Yea i gave up smoking great more cash for gas and parts, win win, got a vape smell like flowers lol and my dirty old factory SLE 308 VB commie is worth silly money now ,got it in the early 2000s for $1200 nzd ,got nice parts on it now
If memory serves the MHDT developed a "Group C VB Commodore" in Nov or Dec of 79 but the development mule was made primarily to get it Homologated by CAMS for racing. As it was not Homologated therefore it couldn't be raced in the 79 Bathurst.
Respect for all those cars. Brocky definately would have been a contender had they not have single timing chain, when the older models had 2. Remember the words from one of bricks pit crew “forget it! Timing chain failure!” Gossies lap times were ok but he struggled with a brocken seat held together by cable ties. TheJPS BEEMERS would have been contenders had they not got stuck in the oil at the end of pit straight. The number 9 jag DNF afeter 3 laps at headlight glass fkd its valves. Those were the days.
Millions of dollars of street cars my first car wasca hk 327 monaro didnt know what i had sold it for $8000 back in 1988 now would get $60000 to $80000
we would still be driving the dinosaurs like that if Australia didn't get competition from imported cars. some might call imported cars shit but for luxury trim fit and finish they were classed way above Australian built crap back then. Now Australia builds the fastest safest most comfortable best put together cars on the planet. Their builds got so good their designers even designed the best car on the planet that America stole the design of and called it their own. The VE VF With an Australian Built Designed car.
Actually your wrong, australian cars were the first to have gears on the floor(valiant), leather trim(ford fairmont), plastic fuel tank(valiant), and most of the worlds fastest cars, gtho, valiant chargers, toranas and commodores. Google wtcc vk commodore and vl commodore, they put them in european races, seems like most australians these days have no idea about what this country has done.
Wrong on so many counts. Plenty of cars had floor shifts before the Valiant. In Australia only the first 1000 or so Vals had the three-on-the-floor. Pontiac in the USA pioneered the plastic fuel tank in the late 1960s.Fairmonts with leather trim? Maybe, in the 80s. LTD and Caprice had that in the mid '70s.
All the Toranas ran a 10 bolt factory housing with a Detroit locker sender. No ford shit was used get your facts straight. You’ve been listening to to many ford bogans still butt hurt that the first ford finished it 25th spot
The days when cars were touring cars,and not race cars. You could have better wheels and tyres,a roll cage,and the motor blueprinted that was about it. I remember we had the tele on all day. Boring as shit now. No Aussie cars, boring people driving foreign race cars. Can't drink,can't fart,can't make too much of a noise at Bathurst anymore. Lost interest now. Don't even buy wheels magazines anymore. What's the point, buying a Aussie car magazine, but no more Aussie cars!
After the very cool XU1, how did Holden manage to make the Torana look so bloody awful? What is worse is that their oppo, the Falcon coupes, were undoubtedly the most macho version Ford ever built. They may not have been faster, but like the dinosaurs, you had to be impressed by their sheer presence.
I miss the old Bathurst races.
This is pure Bathurst never to be seen again.
Man I love those vintage Holdens n Fords. America had nothing on them at the time.
Peter Williamson, what a legend. I think he has passed away now but in 1979-80 what he and all the tech blokes achieved with racecam led to what we see today.
Good onya mate.
I am impressed that they had developed the in car video at that stage, as this technology was first developed by Channel Seven for Bathurst... they were first in the world to do this...
Not only that but audio too from the cockpit 23:22
And sold it to the yanks who claimed it as there own and never gave Australians credit
@@ToranaA9X308 Not so... I do remember seeing an american documentary about motorsport that actually did Credit Australians for developing this technology... When I was growing up in the 1960s... There was very much still then and sense of Australia was in theory to other countries--especially to England--it is time that we start to develop our industrial capabilities, and our billeted to develop new technologies, so that we do not continue to believe that we inferior to others, but they're equals... How about you recognising that, and not giving a fuck that others don't recognise it... What is important we were first! Let's start making Australia and Australians achieve more first in our technology and industry... And in our culture and society as one that is free and fair to all!
RIP Evan Green (1930-1996) & Mike Raymond (1943-2019). But Garry Wilkinson is very much still alive & well & very much still with us on this Earth.
Wow evan green been gone a while I didn’t no that RIP
I used to own an XB Falcon, I had great adventures and fun in that car.
Can't take my eyes off the Falcons in this video
Them the XC's in this race.
Shouldn't of been hard most of them were parked 😅😅😂😂
those beasts have so much more character than modern era, and a lot of the drivers too. thanks for video :D
I agree
Halcyon days of a halcyon era. I was 18 and a huge Holden supporter having grown up with their series. First family car I remember we had was the iconic EH series.Dad had 179 hydramatic Special station wagon.Very cool ! The A9X was a giant killer & as good as the Falcon coupe was, not even their best could keep with them. So sad that we've lost our own indigenous car industry. The government involved should be tried for treason,a national disgrace.
8:05... listen to that beast of a blue girl.
I agree too. Automobiles back then did have more character and 'personality', and I think it's because nothing back then had to be as aerodynamically=sound as cars are today.
The Falcon hardtops yes, the Chargers yes, the Camaro and Monaros yes, the Jags and Alfa Romeos but not the horrible Toranas. Just 'nothing' cars with nothing looks and very little character. Only fast because of a shoe-horned-in big engine. Then again I'm biased, being a Chrysler first, then Falcon person.
this was when racing was about the manufacters and the cars wernt all the same
I don't understand this comment. Touring car-type racing still has a lot of variety to this day.
Good to see the RX3 mixing it up in 1979 still.
By 1979 it was over for moffat.. he was running on a shoe string budget.. ford treated him like shit and gave him peanuts it was disgraceful from Ford management
Auto maker elite class can be likened to federal/state politicians. Say no more. Chrysler Australia were not much different.
Like they treat their customers.
Great cars, great drivers.
Was above the esses at age 11 with a mate for this race - him Ford, me Holden - great race, great day. Privileged to have been there.
I'm sure it was a better day for you than your mate lol
Peter Brock and Jim Richards, what a dream team! Brock was of course the king of the mountain and Jim Richards is the best all round touring car driver I've seen. Put them in a HDT A9X and they're as close to unbeatable as could be.
What about John Harvey the forgotten champion of bathurst
The car was lavished in the best gear available. He really had no competition in those days. That car ran another 1000km at Lang Lang. Unfortunately the track has been changed , the dipper has been flattened run offs added to corners. The Chase was a positive but it is living on borrowed days before they slow it down. The next big crash will do it.
@@beagle7622 Yep, blank-cheque Brock. Never won anything without big-buck GM backing when no other manufacturer was kicking the can.
WTF are you talking about. Brock ran a 10 bolt Salisbury did with a Detroit locker and a super T10 4 speed virtually every Torana out there ran that combination. The 308 waf a FAR superior engine in race conditions because it hung together unlike the Cleveland boat anchor that REGULARLY detonated with moffat Carter Johnson an co spending years and buckets of money to make them reliable. The results prove beyond any doubt the Torana was a superior package. Lightweight stable easily set up rack and pinion steering not the antique steering and suspension of the ford rubbish dating back to the 60s.
@@ToranaA9X308 Any other factory-backed cars in the race? Give me a break.
wonderful , i was 9 when this race was run , this is Bathurst at its best
Clive Five , so was I, we sat at Murray’s corner all day and loved every minute.
I was 10, watched the first 2 hours in my PJs
I was 13
I’m watching this at the motor racing museum is Bathurst sitting near the toilets waiting for a friend
wow.... Conrod is still the full straight.... them's the days.
It was 1.919 (basically 2 km) long in those days. The fastest touring car speed ever recorded before The Chase was built in 1987 was by Tom Walkinshaw in the John Goss V12 Jaguar XJS in 1984. Using one of TWR's more highly developed 450 bhp Group A engines, Tom was recorded at 290 km/h (180.1 mph) during qualifying for the 1984 race.
Here in 1979, Brock did 158 mph (254 km/h) in the Torana while the quickest Ford on the straight was Bond at 161 mph (259.1 km/h)
Mike Burgmann's death in 86 was the reason Caltex Chase was built.
I can listen to Evan and Mike for hours. My ears and intelligence are not insulted. I can figure out and learn about what's going on with a calmness and appropriate expression without the dramas and repeats of dramas and emotions. The current commentators shout out information and constantly repeat themselves with their over dramatic expressions talking at the speed of 300wps. I actually watched the Bathurst this year with the sound on mute.
Best track in the world, it's got everything, massive elevation change, on camber corners off camber corners slow corners fast corners sweepers, it's fast and dangerous, seriously name another track in the world better. Spa and Laguna Seca only ones that come close. Australia doesn't have a whole lot to brag about but I'm convinced we have the world's best racetrack.
We had Peter Brock. It's all we needed
Australia doesn’t have a lot to brag about , are you kidding me . I know this comment is 7 years old but give me a break. One of the most spectacular countries in the world .
Best race track in the solar system.
@@beagle7622 used to be
Ford withdrawal of any support effectively made this race a 1 make race . The fastest Falcon was nearly 4 seconds slower than the previous year and had no development .
Moffat was a whining sook and got what he deserved. He was blindly loyal to Ford crap for decades while they shit in his face
Brocks finest hour.
The lack of caution laps / yellow flags is astounding. Oh, we've got a service truck on the track? That's okay. Just drive around that guy as he tows away the latest wreck!
I just wonder what would happen if Peter Brock was forced back due to a caution. Would he still steal the lead like he did at the start?
it really looks like you're way out in the country with this footage. Yes, I'm well aware where Bathurst is. I was even there on Sunday but you watch the footage of the race these days with all the modern features and the way they frame their shots it may as well be set in a capital city
all it takes to see the bathurst comparison with brock driving his a9x against the commodore ss how cool the a9x is
I started watching in about 1988 and I can't recall if the Chase was built by then or not but to imagine the speed u could get now if Conrod was still full length :P yes, I know that's why they changed it :P
The Chase was added in 1987
That is the greatest Great Race in history imho, with the Moffat Ford 1-2 victory a close second.
I remember being so impressed by the camera & Williamson. I remember he got a hole in the floor caused by a small rock.
Damn, this racing was A-1.
Seems from what I've read that the principal impediment of the Clevo 351 was oil starvation under high revs and G forces. The sump design was the culprit because it was placed to the front of the engine in contrast to the Holden V8 which had the sump to the rear. This meant that under extreme acceleration the oil in the Ford pooled to the back of the sump away from the pickup resulting in insufficient lubricant when it was most needed. Moffat warned the Ford big shots about this design flaw but they wouldn't spend any money on rectifying the problem and these factors help explain why the Falcons couldn't last the distance against the Holdens during this period.
Wow. First year of a incar racecam in any racing comp
Bye bye Brocky!. Into the distance he goes.
Superb speed and excellent Controle... mazda totyota ford
i keep coming back here??
Great racing with all the different cars glory days ,ciggie company colours looked great on the Toranas and the money the ciggie companies chucked at racing was more than the car copmanies did
The good old days when smokes were cheap. People could afford to buy their favourite car and a carton of winfield red. Nowadays most smokers throw more money at their habit then anything else leaving little aside for transportation.
@@Johnnosmitho Yea i gave up smoking great more cash for gas and parts, win win, got a vape smell like flowers lol and my dirty old factory SLE 308 VB commie is worth silly money now ,got it in the early 2000s for $1200 nzd ,got nice parts on it now
brocky.........the king of the mountain.........
Let's get back to 77 best rice
#iwrocker 😊
If this was '79 why didn't anyone race a commodore which had come out the previous year. Why didn't the Holden dealer team race one?
If memory serves the MHDT developed a "Group C VB Commodore" in Nov or Dec of 79 but the development mule was made primarily to get it Homologated by CAMS for racing. As it was not Homologated therefore it couldn't be raced in the 79 Bathurst.
@@clubsportr08 It was a VB pilot (pre production car, sitting at Dandenong ) stripped and shipped to HDT.
Why the Torana's were pretty effective in case you didn't notice
Respect for all those cars. Brocky definately would have been a contender had they not have single timing chain, when the older models had 2. Remember the words from one of bricks pit crew “forget it! Timing chain failure!” Gossies lap times were ok but he struggled with a brocken seat held together by cable ties. TheJPS BEEMERS would have been contenders had they not got stuck in the oil at the end of pit straight. The number 9 jag DNF afeter 3 laps at headlight glass fkd its valves. Those were the days.
Do know what race you're watching, BROCK won by six laps.
@@user-ot7ec4uc3g whoops good point. Thought i was commenting on another race. Trust you know which one
"under the tree"
The country had a more beautiful look back then,it's a shader pale of grey now.
Go the Torana
You'd think Bob Morris was in front...
Interview with Peter Janson was great 1:06:37
Millions of dollars of street cars my first car wasca hk 327 monaro didnt know what i had sold it for $8000 back in 1988 now would get $60000 to $80000
Try about 300,000 now
How good is the Pete Janson interview. 1:06:29
Agree. How times have changed.
He shot a tiger. Shame on him.
What an arrogant man
And a bear by the looks.
Dam them flatbed trucks are sketchy .
Bubble gum racing now compared to this
In the days when real cars were racing, not useless racing chassis.
What time did the race start back in 1979 ?
10:00 am. Cold, dark morning that day.
@@RoadSafetyIntel It sure was. Up on the hill we packed up the tents at 4am so we could go get a good spot on pit straight.
straightaway were not in america
we would still be driving the dinosaurs like that if Australia didn't get competition from imported cars. some might call imported cars shit but for luxury trim fit and finish they were classed way above Australian built crap back then. Now Australia builds the fastest safest most comfortable best put together cars on the planet. Their builds got so good their designers even designed the best car on the planet that America stole the design of and called it their own. The VE VF With an Australian Built Designed car.
Actually your wrong, australian cars were the first to have gears on the floor(valiant), leather trim(ford fairmont), plastic fuel tank(valiant), and most of the worlds fastest cars, gtho, valiant chargers, toranas and commodores.
Google wtcc vk commodore and vl commodore, they put them in european races, seems like most australians these days have no idea about what this country has done.
@@manofwar577 valiant's never had plastic fuel tanks
Wrong on so many counts. Plenty of cars had floor shifts before the Valiant. In Australia only the first 1000 or so Vals had the three-on-the-floor. Pontiac in the USA pioneered the plastic fuel tank in the late 1960s.Fairmonts with leather trim? Maybe, in the 80s. LTD and Caprice had that in the mid '70s.
@@harrisionstan3773 sorry to ask but is your reply to
In reply to who's comment? Cheers, Stan.
This is Peter brock
Car that had a cut down Ford 9in diff in it . Would that be cheating 🤔
The A9X was built with a 2.78 ratio Salisbury diff. The standard Torana Banjo diff was too fragile.
9" Ford diffs weren't necessary.
@@jamiesonscott7577 Every body else probably was but not good old Peter Perfect. Ask Harry Firth the Fox chopped down Ford 9inch
All the Toranas ran a 10 bolt factory housing with a Detroit locker sender. No ford shit was used get your facts straight. You’ve been listening to to many ford bogans still butt hurt that the first ford finished it 25th spot
Releasing the balloons just before the start of the race cannot see that happening today due to environmental considerations.
And we have a touchoff WTF FFS
Bathurst it's a religion
The days when cars were touring cars,and not race cars. You could have better wheels and tyres,a roll cage,and the motor blueprinted that was about it. I remember we had the tele on all day. Boring as shit now. No Aussie cars, boring people driving foreign race cars. Can't drink,can't fart,can't make too much of a noise at Bathurst anymore. Lost interest now. Don't even buy wheels magazines anymore. What's the point, buying a Aussie car magazine, but no more Aussie cars!
Spoiler alert. Ford fans get butt hurt. BIG time.
Holden poured massive money and support behind racism programs.
Ford had virtually turned off all the taps by 1979
Aussie motor sport is officially dead RIP , let's look at the starting grid. USA,USA,USA,USA.....blah blah blah . Soul has been sold
After the very cool XU1, how did Holden manage to make the Torana look so bloody awful? What is worse is that their oppo, the Falcon coupes, were undoubtedly the most macho version Ford ever built. They may not have been faster, but like the dinosaurs, you had to be impressed by their sheer presence.
Wa? The A9X was probably the prettiest car to ever lap Bathurst.
The A9X not only looked better than the outdated ford rubbish it was a PROPER purpose built RACE car not a knobbled up road car