Steph Gets Real About Whether He Thinks He Should’ve Won Finals MVP Over Iggy
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- čas přidán 21. 11. 2022
- In this clip, JJ asks Stephen Curry a very direct question. Did he feel like he deserved to win NBA Finals MVP over Andre Iguodala in the 2015 NBA Finals?
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The great thing about Steph is that he's seen and thought about all of this that's been said. For him to be so grounded and yet so confident is dope. Character and status in the same person is something that you don't always get
Curry fanboy is even able to boast curry when he is talking about his failure in not having multiple fmvp.
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What amazes me about Steph is that he was raised in an affluent home of an ex NBA player. He could have turned out as a spoiled rich kid. Instead he’s one of the greatest players in NBA history, and the figurehead of one of the greatest dynasties in modern team sports. Credit to his parents for raising him well too.
I’m glad steph said he deserved the 2015 nba finals mvp because he definitely did. I get why iguodala got it because he guarded Lebron well but Stephs right - GS doesn’t win the finals without steph playing the way he played
You didn't even watch the vid you just bullshitting 😭
Yeah his defense was so great that LeBron average 35 points a game..
Based on him saying they don't win without him playing the way he played and the way Iggy played also, sounds like they should've been co- finals mvps
As I was typing my last comment I was gonna say LeBron should've won it even in a losing effort, if I'm not mistaken, they gave it to Jerry West (1969 finals vs Celtics)once even though he lost...
Soooo yeah
@@libertariansasquatch bro bron was still the best player in that series but he did shoot below 40 percent for that series let's be fr now
One aspect that gets ignored too often is that it wasn't just Igoudala on Lebron- Draymond was outstanding defensively in that finals & it was easier for Golden State to throw multiple guys at Lebron (not just Iguodala) because Kyrie/Love were both hurt.
Add in the fact that Steph played great and they have zero chance of winning that finals without him on the floor & I think Stephs' value in that finals consistently gets underrated.
Also, if steph wasn't there soaking up so much of the Cavs' defense, iggy wouldn't have gotten all those open shots
Damn, you're right. The ONLY thing they had to do was stop Lebron and they had multiple defensive specialists at that position, and he still averaged 36, 13 and 9 in that series. God damn.
@@EGarrett01 on low efficiency tho
@@a3per818 no one ever says that about Kobes finals performances. He was also missing two starters, so I think we can cut some slack on his efficiency.
@A3 per low efficiency is a myth people like you made up and ran with without ever watching the games or looking into the stats. He had one bad game (2) his overall stats was 26-5-6 on 44-39-89 shooting splits (59% true shooting). That's more efficient than some of MJ's finals and virtually all of Kobe's.
After G5 the “Wiggins should win FMVP” “conversation” got so heavy and I was like “nah bro we would have lost already if it wasn’t for Steph” gtfo😂
Honestly. Game 4 sealed the FMVP for Steph, he went crazy in the 4th quarter at the Garden to save the series for them
No one said that about wiggins bro
@@El.Nigga. yes many people did you have no idea what you’re talking abouy
@@El.Nigga. some did and it’s not insane. Wiggins played out of his mind and was easily the second best player for them. His defense on Tatum and his rebounding numbers were the second biggest reason they won. The first was Steph torching the dpoy.
It would’ve been hilarious if Wiggins won fmvp meaning steph would have 4 rings and no fmvps 😂 I’m glad steph finally got his well deserved fmvp tho
LMAO his laugh when they say Wiggins should win MVP. Amazing.
yeah!! 😂😂 im a steph hater btw but that laugh bruh😂 he very well deserves that mvp.. JJ is hilarious tho😂😂😂
@@bronnyjames7885 shouldn’t be proud to be a hater bro lmao
@@SouthJerzVillains Why not? It'd be nice if a lot more people were ok with just admitting it lol...
@@dawb86 or they don't be haters in the first place
@@jondoe5305 not even a reality if you re read what you just said if people admitted they were haters though it'd be like you know that guy doesn't like you so why care what he's got to say in the first place
Game 4 against the Celtics won Steph that finals MVP. If he doesn’t go off in 4th quarter at the Garden then they lose that series
yeah he won the fmvp that year
He literally did the same thing in game 4 against the Cavs
bro shouldnt have even WON a ring that year. bron almost beat that warriors team by himself and 4 scrubs
@@boujiewink6999even in 2016 with a fully healthy Cavs & heathy warriors. 3-1 and none of those wins was close. Soon as bogut gets hurt & Dray is suspended. Cavs started doing something. Even with Cavs 2 super stars vs just curry. 2015 was a even match up because it was 2 stars vs each other with a young warriors teams just like Curry beating the kings that’s how Bron should’ve beat the warriors with experience but he couldn’t because Curry beat him. But when Warriors got KD that was another Even match because Curry and KD vs Kyrie and Bron. That looks fair to me. Klay and love evens out to. And Dray is not a scorer
@@kingggnova4544 wait you tryna say bc of a ONE GAME draymond suspension, the cavs won bc of that. LMAO. beyond braindead. dont matta if they was down 3-1. who won the series tho? cavs should have 2 titles. how you comparing kevin love and kyrie OUT FOR THE ENTIRE SERIES to fckin a ONE game suspension of draymond LMAO. look what happen to the powerhouse golden state with KD when they got injuries. KD got hurt and klay got hurt. AND THEY LOST TO THE RAPTORS WITH JUST KAWAII LMAOO. bruh you hella dumb. this ninja just compared drayomd being suspended for ONE game to kevin love and kyrie missing the ENTIRE SERIES. and look what happened with a healthy cavs team. they won and beat the "best regular season team" in history. i dont think you realize that GS went 73-9. Also them rings with KD dont count. dray cried to get KD realizing they probably wouldnt make it to the finals. so KD two rings and the warriors 2 rings dont count at all. i dare you to debate me
I appreciate Curry's honesty. One of the few guys in the league that's down to earth
I honestly questioned how Steph would motivate himself coming into this season. Now that he won without KD and has a finals MVP, it’s like he has nothing left to prove. But that’s what makes him special. He found a way to motivate himself to stay competitive and stay hungry. Much respect for that
Now if he could just get the rest of the team on board...
He’s won twice without KD
@@En1gmatic1 f/o fucked their roster over 🤦♂️
He already won without Durant. So only thing they showed is Durant is a nonfactor.
Steph one of them dudes that don’t need much he can get motivated by a random dude in row 315 clapping for the other team & go for 40 lol
It’s insane Iggy won for his “defense”… bron Average 35 points in 13 rebounds and 8 assts…. Amazing D………………..
He stopped him from averging 40😂😂😂😂😂😂
He shot under 40% when guarded by Iggy lol
If Curry thinks, I disagree.
If CurMickey speaks, I ignore.
If CurChoke fails, I’m happy.
If the world is against CurTrash, I am the world.
If CurFraud has 7 billion fans, I am none of them.
If CurBum has no haters, it’s because I no longer exist.
I hate Stephen Curry.
That’s a testament to how good Bron was.
It’s about making the job harder. He didn’t easily get those 35 points, iggy had him working for it.
I remember people saying Wiggins should be Finals MVP after game 5 in the 2022 Finals. I'm not saying Wiggins would have not deserved it, but Steph just played better in that whole series. They were both needed to win that series, but Steph definitely deserved it over Wiggins more. I also don't care what anyone else says, Steph should have been the 2015 Finals MVP.
Wiggins didn't deserve it at all he got his open shots because of steph and steph averaged 30 6 6 no he didn't deserve it
Fr. It comes to the point that there's this thing about Steph that makes ppl somehow always overlooks him and at the same time get his co-mates a ton of credits. Like imagine Steph having guys like Brunson or Dinwiddie or Wood, those guys would be called as an all-star level players fr. Ppl just had that thing against Steph. He invites double standard almost effortlessly. Lol
The old sore knee boyo, enjoy the suckling of testes
Wiggings was not winning that MVP, the NBA woul not accepted It.
the only ones saying wiggs should have gotten were curry haters, they knew they wouldn’t have something to use against him anymore, plain and simple. wiggs was amazing but not one single person in their right mind saw him as a fmvp
I wasn't expecting Curry to just say it how it is. He did deserve that MVP 🤣😂 if he ain't leading who is? There is no GSW without Curry. No bulls without MJ.
Bruhhhhh if he did that 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
There is no GSW without the superteam
@@nathanwhyte9048 the only time they were one was with KD and one can get a ring without the other. Also if you're a lebron fan you need to stop asap 😂😂😂
That ending is underrated. Lmao. "I can't wait until I'm retired behind a microphone and get to pick my target from the current players."
List of underrated interviews endings:... wait, what?
Media confused X factor with FMVP in 2015
Im a massive celtics fan, and in the finals i absolutely hated this guy. But the class hes shown his whole career/the way he acts in this interview has left me no choice but to be a huge fan of his. Will actually be hard to describe his greatness to the next generation. Truly believe there will never be another like him…props.
MAD PROPS TO YOU! 👏
Class? This dude celebrates after every shot whether they’re winning or not lol
@Austin literally every game highlights of his on YT, we can easily see that he does NOT celebrate after every *shot* whether "they're winning or not" lol or whatever that means.
Anyway, fyi, class does not necessarily mean being stoic all the time and absolutely devoid of emotions 🤦♂️
Cap
@@mullz.m obviously there was some exaggeration in the statement but the point is valid. Everybody knows he showboats hard af. You don’t know what “winning or not” means? Lol
Jj is pretty good at hosting an well spoken didn’t expect it just subscribed
Nice one JJ 🤜🏻🤛🏼
That fmvp choice was crazy.Steph didn’t get a vote.
Because the voters colluded to make sure someone from the winning team won. The voters who wanted GS to have the FMVP had a majority of Iggy voters so they all flipped as a unit.
It was something like 5 Bron voters, 4 Iggy voters, 3 Steph voters INITIALLY. But the loser winning was not something they wanted to have happen again, so they compromised and voted Iggy and won 7-5
I always say if he didn’t play bad in game 3 in 2018 he would’ve won finals mvp
And he hit clutch shots at the end of game 3 that were vital to the victory. He was robbed.
He did play bad though.
@@tony4534 curry outplayed Durant in 3/4 games. And in game 2 he broke the finals single game 3pt record. And drops like 38 to close out the series. How does that man not win fmvp ?
@@dant3_rodant395 I see the argument both ways. Steph had 1 terrible game that Kd was great in. That was the fmvp right there.
Steph totally deserved that finals mvp award..., daylight robbery for sure..., I love iggy.., but there is no way the warriors won without steph at any level of competition
AI changed the series though. I'd steph had won it cool but I never argued AI
@@rxtsec1 not really the cavs lacked Kevin love and kyrie , despite iggys defense , Bron scored 35ppg
@@jonathaneagle3554 they were up 2-1 & iggy was inserted in the starting line up & that changed everything. Bron still played good but not as well as the first 3 games
@@rxtsec1 You forget the fact that I saw all those games , who provided the offensive boost ? Whose presence mattered more , iggy played great iq basketball , but when you’re a juggernaut like the warriors with numerous weapons , you have that confidence to perform , the cavs had no chance anyways , it was a one sided series 🤷🏻♂️ the cavs looked gassed in many ways and underprepared…. Bron was one man wrecking crew as always , but players are playing for the top award so …. Numerous plot lines , numerous narratives , but still it is undeniable that Steph got robbed
@@jonathaneagle3554 you forgot the fact I watch all those games also and iggy changed that series. as i said if they had given it to steph I wouldn't have mind but my pick was iggy and that's history that you can't change
Love these pods!!! Can you also please interview Ja Morant?
Steph had 17 points in the 4th qtr of game and 13 points in the 4th qtr of the finals 2015 and they gave the MVP to Iggy. They need to drug test the Finals MVP voters of that year and fire them. I think they said Steph didn't have any votes for finals MVP that year in the final averaging 26, 5 and 6. smh
The only player who changed the NBA the same way he toyed with in college.
One of the coldest ever mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Mans literally became what his pops was in video games
He wasn't nothing amazing in college.
Nice one JJ God Bless
Steph not getting Finals MVP in 2015 is like Jordan not getting league MVPs. We all know who REALLY deserved it.
Steph is unquestionably top 10 all-time. If you had an all-time pickup game with 2 teams, he's gonna be picked as a starter, his gravity effect is like Shaq but at the 3 point line. The spacing he is able to create on the floor is unmatched.
Top 5 imo
I disagree with everything you said.
Top 5? Bruv Steph is top 3. He’s mastered what basketball is truly about. Getting the ball in the hoop. His accuracy and range is the best I’ve ever seen. He truly has a gift.
Well MJ was not getting league MVPs in 1992 1995 1997 ... so at least two of these 3 years he should be awarded.
Best point guard if he get any more chips be a wrap but idk
Steph deserved Finals MVP in both 2015 and 2018.
2018 nah
@@kendrelc5977, Steph slightly outplayed KD in games 1, 2 and 4 on way tougher defensive coverages. Game 3 really won the award for KD as he had the 43 pt historic performance with that clutch 3 to seal it while Curry struggled with just 11. On the whole however, Curry was more impactful and valuable in that series.
@@kendrelc5977 2018 Yes 100% 🤷🏼♂️
Not 2018, KD even tried feeding Curry at times, but that was KDs series. And the difference in game 3 was a huge thing. Plus KD played great defence
@@daviesugo7641 2017 was KD’s series but 2018 Steph got robbed 🤷🏼♂️
I wanna know his thoughts on the 2018 NBA Finals MVP. I thought he was the best player in 3 of the 4 games played in that series
While getting doubled 80 times and kd was doubled 4 times
I agree wholeheartedly, it got to the point where I yelled because I was so surprised Curry didn’t win. He had ONE bad game, his other 3 games in my opinion he was the best player on the floor.
He led the other 3 games in scoring and assists but that one 10 point game Durant went off for 40 to give him the scoring average for the series. But it is so frustrating to just watch them blitz and double Curry continuously while Durant is sitting there wide open at times or in single coverage. It is like all nuance of the game from an analyst perspective has been lost and they just go with the narratives they choose and use counting stats to back it up.
Umm he actually answered that here
@MrShloker is this a real stat?
Look at Steph man, so inspirational!!!
Always shows class and humility.
Anyone even HINTING at thinking Wiggins deserved the FMVP over Steph should be disqualified from talking basketball.
Steph:
31.2 ppg
6 rpg
5 apg
2 steals pg
0.2 blocks pg
62.6% ts%
119 O rating
106 D rating
23.2 game score
Wiggins:
18.3 ppg
8.8 rpg
2.2 apg
1.5 steals pg
1.5 blocks pg
51.5% ts%
103 O rating
105 D rating
14.1 game score
I don’t think anyone actually believes wiggins finals mvp but if there going by the 2015 logic of giving to iggy cuz wiggins did the same thing but better he actually shutdown tatum and iggy didn’t shutdown lebron he was still getting buckets
It wasn’t about haters on twitter. It’s the final piece to compare him to the other 5-8 goats. That’s on media more than fans.
Curry definitely deserved it, but I didn’t mind Iggy getting the FMVP because I knew Curry would come back and get it eventually.
I think that's kinda of interesting but a lot of people don't realize that Stephen curry played well in his first finals and was amazing particularly his last three games.🏀💯
They let that off game 2 overshadow everything. Mind you he ended that game hot and forced OT
Steph without a doubt shouldve gotten 2015 FMVP lol
Lebron
@@BALLERHALLER24 Participation trophy
@@lukasralys6096 Jerry west
@@lukasralys6096 participation and being the best player on the floor by a mile is two different things
@@longlivetheblackmamba2-8-24 yep agreed, thats why i said what i said
I tell you one thing when GSW beat Boston last year you can tell he was hunting for not only that ring but the MVP. Curry hears all the negative narratives about him and uses it as fuel. He's definitely heard critics talking about him not having a FMVP and he went out there and proved them wrong. Much respect!
Nice and honest reply, very thorough and respectful. No surprise people want to play with him. So, fanboys, stop the GOAT conversation until he hangs his boots,bpl? Enjoy he still plays at MVP level
Man JJ reddick is such a good interviewer
There are a lot of important players on a championship team. All contributing to the W.
They would have lost without Iggy, but they get blown out without Steph. That makes him the MVP.
Iggy has said he told Steph himself that he(Steph) should have won
I’ve never seen a more disrespected playoff performer than Steph. This guy literally put up some of the greatest numbers in NBA history in both his 6 Finals’ appearances as well as the postseason in general. The guy averages 27 6 & 5 and 27 6 & 6 for his playoff and finals career respectively. There are less than a handful of players in NBA history to eclipse those numbers while appearing in at least 4 Finals. He is and has always been incredible on the biggest stage but is somehow diminished because of media driven narratives.
THANK YOU
My boy should be at bare minimum a 2x finals mvp rn 😅
exactly. forget about the top 10 convos. We're supposed to be having top 5 convos if he had that 15 fmvp
3x fmvp 2018 Steph was out play KD until game 3 when he had that bad game
@@jamarnabors9393 he really wasn’t. They had similar games in game 1. Game 3 was horrendous and game 4 was KD gifting Steph looks due to the well known fact that he wanted get back for almost letting his team down
@@pandabear1576 u dudnt watch it a lot of ppl agree 2018 if Steph didn’t have bad game 3 he was go be a finals in mvp I can pull up those stats if need to so stop
@@pandabear1576 I hate ppl like u spreading false narratives I will type out the facts.
Game 1 Steph 29 pts 6reb 9ast 47.8fg 45% 3pt 100% free throws
Game 2: 33pts 7reb 8ast (42 %fg) (52 3p%) (100% ft)
Game 3: 11pm 6reb 4ast (18% fg) (10% 3pt) (100% ft)
Game 4: 37pts 6reb 4ast (44% fg) (46% 3pt) (100% ft)
If Steph would’ve just gave them 20pts on game 3 he was go be the finals mvp
steph definitely shoulda won it but for the crowd saying "bRoN aVg 35" he shot 39% from the field and 31% from 3, its not the flex you think it is. iggy wasnt a clamp demon to the extent of fmvp but he made him work. now watch the flip to "hE hAd No HeLp" im waiting on it 😂😂😂
Shooting 39% is good considering he was the only guy GS had to focus on 😂 Dude was getting double teamed and swarmed by all-defensive first team caliber defenders
@@Poopopotamusgaming no, that is not good, especially with LeBron's standard cuz he's been exemplar with efficiency for the majority of his career. theres no way around it. woulda been nice to see him close that series out 2-1 heading home but it is what it is, he's still an all time great
@@Poopopotamusgaming I've seen many other players be the sole offensive option and still be efficient , it ain't impossible
Averaging 35 is not clamping anyone
His team shot 38 percent from the field and 29 percent from 3 during those 6 games
He deserved finals MVP every year they won
Except 2017
Nah 17 was kd all day. 18 there’s a big argument for Steph
@@dant3_rodant395 there isn't.
Kd averaged more points,rebounds,assists on a much better fg%(53% to Stephs 40%).
And played better defence.
Curry so inspirational man
I think I just understood what pushed the votes to Iguodala as 2015 finals MVP. Other than guarding lebron a lot, he was the player subbed in for the usual starting lineup to create the death lineup. So when they introduced the death lineup, most people took notice that Iguodala coming in initiates the death lineup. So I guess that's what pushed the votes towards him even though Steph should've had it.
From a different aspect, lebron was good enough to have that fmvp too. Back to 2015, lebron was actually fighting against entire team warriors alone as a result of the absence of ki and love, but LeBron was still able to manage 2 wins, which has shown how great he is.
And he lost so no he didn’t deserve it. LeBron was down 3-1 to Steph playing on a sprain mcl in his right knee, Iggy had back spasms, Bogut got hurt game 5 same game Draymond was suspended for
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@@AndrejIzAwesome lmao i wonder why curry has never played that bad since then… CouLdNt HaVe BeEn tHe McL SPrAin hE HaD, CHoKe! 🤡
@@imikeyirock11 everyone plays hurt in the finals Curry butt boy
@@AndrejIzAwesome everyone isnt playing with a grade 2 knee sprain 🤯 ik i just shook your non-athlete world
He got it done in 2022. Unexpectedly
JJ, you should consider getting the king of nba stats, jimmy high roller, on your pod.
JJ and Tommy perfectly in sync at 5:25 lol
Iggy won finals MVP for holding Bron to 36 points, 13 boards, and 9 assists while shooting 40% from the field and 31% from the 3… wow
For Steph and Bron to have done and to still be doing what their doing in the same era is Goat tier. Personally both top 3 all time, very tempted to have Bron at 1.
It's kinda of a theme in the NBA,for media and fans, always pushing for the 2nd star to get MVP, they said the same thing, from scotty & mike, kobe & shaq, to steph & iggy, bron & AD or bron & kyrie , middleton & giannis.
The Middleton and Giannis convo was disgusting. People were coming up with hypotheticals where Giannis ended up in a wheelchair or had all of his basketball abilities stolen by the Monstars to justify Middleton for FMVP.
People saying Middleton finals MVP was insane 😂
low efficiency and getting locked up by deli is a myth people made up and ran with without ever watching the games or looking into the stats. He had one bad game (2) his overall stats were 26-5-6 on 44-39-89 shooting splits (59% true shooting). That's more efficient than some of MJ's finals and virtually all of Kobe's.
A myth that even Curry himself believes in
Go figure
Curry brought up Della Vedova in his answer in this very same video
If Curry really deserved fmvp if there was no narratives
You and I wouldn't even know who Della Vedova is and certainly Curry too would have forgotten about him
The fact that all 3of us still remember him is proof that Curry made Della Vedova famous which is something a fmvp doesn't do
LeBron should’ve won it…
6:17 savage, lmao in 15 years. Just me or that's a shot at JJ being "old" lmao
It’s all about narratives for the media. People seem to forget that Igoudala came off the bench to start, and from there they started playing better. So from the sports media perspective, if you go from bench to starter and you win games you’re clearly the difference maker right?
Do they mean that he should've won over Iggy Azalea? Because I think he definitely deserved that over her... Iggy Azalea didn't play that many minutes in the 2015 Finals
I selfishly think steph was infuriated by the loss of the fmvp and it turned him into a score first point guard. And that push to prove people wrong led to his injuries and him running out of gas. What still makes me mad was the officiating in 2016. Its was so one sided.
If you look at his skill set since college, he was always bound to be a score first PG but I definitely think the fmvp loss to Iggy put a chip on his shoulder that really drove him
The good thing about the warriors is they're happy for the achievements of their teammates
Defence will almost always be misunderstood and underrated in basketball so it’s rewarded over offence people won’t understand.
Iguoadala is the worst finals MVP in history
what about Chauncey Billups ? (2004 Pistons FMVP)
@@Hello-yv5wq Billups was the leading scorer in that finals series and the engine to the Pistons offense. He is a multiple time all star and has been to the conference finals 7 times also a future Hall of Famer. Iguodala at best was the 4th best player on that finals team
@@Hello-yv5wq Kawhi with the spurs
Iguodala won the FMV because Steph wasn't that big in that time and they thought Curry won't become a Superstar. But yeah Stephen Curry should've won that FMV!
His gravity is hard to quantify because they don't show up on stat sheets. Iggy and KD were wide open because of the attention Steph commanded. Kudo's to them for making the shots, but Steph made it easier for them.
Steph had a chance to win fmvp in 2018 but his horrible game 3 cost him that
Everbody ignores that.
@@badboyrome1 No one ignores that.
@@bobt9705 a lot of people do by saying he was robbed of the award as if that game didn’t happen
Curry finally delivered in 2022
He was still better in 3/4 games. You can say game 3 mattered the most, but games 1-2 were important too. What if the warriors lose one of those games at home and go back to the Q tied? Never know what could have happened
Steph is top 10.
They did the same thing to Timmy or Boris Diaw in 2014, they gave it to Kawhi for his “defense on Lebron” even though he was no show the 1st two games
They gave it to Magic in 1980 even though Kareem had the killer stat line
Thats a great point, mans is still 34 for and still has some time especially with his skillset. Bron is the only top 10 players who can still add to his resume(of which apart the all time scoring record he aint doing much more) so there really is no reason for him to care about that.
Van Gundy super hot!
🤣
Rodman could have got an MVP off MJ
Vs the Sonics for sure
LMAO ! 🤡
Glad steph acknowledged bron still had crazy stats
Major respect to Steph was honest but didn't tear down Dre💯
Iguodala deserved it because if he wasn’t there they have no defense and LeBron averages 45 ppg and wins
And without Steph, they wouldn't even be in the playoffs. Stop with this bs narrative. All the attention is on Steph for a reason
@@Ben2bwild thank u
The "they would've lost if xxx isn't there so he's the mvp" is such a dumb take, many champion teams would've lost if you take away one of their key rotation players, that doesn't make that player the mvp at all.
And if steph didn't play would they have won? You're dumb af
@@Ben2bwildit’s not regular season mvp it’s finals Iggy outplayed Steph in finals therefore he wins finals mvp it’s not who the most valuable we all know Steph is
JJ loves to "get real" and "have an honest conversation" about things, but we all know that these are constituent parameters of interaction, and JJ owes us a video where he and a player have a dishonest conversation and get fake about things, even if it means having Kyrie on the pod.
How about he gets your mom on here and she gives him and Tommy a happy ending? How does that sound?
@@manonthemoon379 Sure, if they really want to exhume her.
Unless you want to grab a shovel and go at it yourself. In your case, it would certainly be time better spent than posting on the internet.
Hold that, chump.
Hold it.
The dodgy looking MVP back in the Bulls days was Rodman not winning it against Seattle. He was incredible. Statistically it was MJ & Pippen's most inefficient playoff series, but Rodman dominated. He had 2 games with 10 offensive rebounds which both now sit near the top of the all time list for most offensive rebounds in a game and he did them within a series. He got Brickowski ejected once, maybe twice, I can't recall, and I'm pretty sure he got Kemp fouled out or in foul trouble several times.
But with the NBA being a global, family friendly game, the NBA would never give it to Rodman and so MJ was the logical choice.
Stephen Curry averaged 26.0 points, 6.3 assists and 5.2 rebounds in 6 games in the 2015 NBA Finals.
Y’all fail to mention that the warriors were down in the series until Kerr made a coaching change. Iggy averaged 20ppg once he was moved to the starting lineup while making life difficult on LBJ.
But averaged 16 for the series lol
yeah, because he had wide open shots to shoot the ball.
i love how the people compare only half the series its literally 26 ppg 5 rb 6 assists 2 steals vs 16 ppg 6 rb 4 assists 1 steal
He didn't. Bron deserved it. Mozgov and Delly as your best two players and you make it competitive? MVP
Sorry to break it to you but players on the losing team don’t win fmvp anymore 😂
two players can both be essential at the same time
people dont seem to get this, every other comment (not necessarily in this comment section in particular) is "X dont win without Y" like yea, and also X doesnt win without Z or Q. Your car wont drive without the front left wheel, it also wont drive without the back right wheel
“Comparison is the thief of joy”
-Theodore Roosevelt
-Jeff van gundy
I was in that Wiggins camp. He really played that well. Narrative helped steph but they both were needed to win
narrative sure helped curry average 31 points in the finals
Idk how anybody could be in that Wiggins camp. Steph saved them that series multiple times and played better, there was no real argument
@@Poopopotamusgaming Them people have the basketball iq equivalent to a squirrel you can’t pay them no mind
Bruh shut up Wiggins played good on defense his shots were because of how great steph was no way in hell Wiggins deserved that yall are dumb af if steph don't drop 40 game 5 what would Wiggins defense have even mattered
😂😂😂😂 which narrative are you talking about when he averaged 31 on 50/40/90 shooting splits?
Bron should've won MVP even in the loss. Best player in that series dealing with his costars being injured.
Lebum got owned by a 5'8 dude named JJ Barea
Facts
Avg like 37 13 8
Nah fr bro
Yur but they’ll never do that
History is written by the Victor. You can knit pick there defeats they took to get there but at the end of the day if you win when it matters you made it
History is written by the Victor Wembenyama
@@blingwraith6951 if he goes to a lowkey good team that’s just temporarily struggling then yes. If goes somewhere like Detroit he will be like everyone else
Does anyone know which white wine is that? It looks good.
jj's definitely a hater. LOL
I don’t care if the GSW won the chip, based on performance Lebron should’ve been finals MVP
Then Lebron fans going to try and argue a losing fmvp vs Jordan’s 6-0 crazy
FMVP shooting less than 40 percent from the court?? Also the series didnt even go 7 games?? Cut it out man. LOL...
Humble leader.
"I Feel" -Merch.
If Curry thinks, I disagree.
If CurMickey speaks, I ignore.
If CurChoke fails, I’m happy.
If the world is against CurTrash, I am the world.
If CurFraud has 7 billion fans, I am none of them.
If CurBum has no haters, it’s because I no longer exist.
I hate Stephen Curry.
So he's in your head rent free...
Imagine hating a guy you don’t know in real life
pelt him with your rings lolz
Curry is overrated. But not worth hating
@@fupalover wrong he’s nowhere near overrated
Time he’s the most underrated player off all time he’s still in his prime he’s 34 he’s playin better then everybody right now he has 4 rings he beat kd an made him join him he change the game dude is top 5 Mj Lebron Shaq curry I can’t put nobody else above him
JJ sweating like crazy. Got those sweats when the alcohol first hits the stomach haha
Jay Jay the goat 🐐 he got curry on the podcast 💯
No doubt about it! He shoulda won that shxt it’s still terrible to know he didn’t idc that’s some crazy nba history right there
that was a very long yes
Putting David Lee in helped a lot too
Bro is definitely top 5 he changed the game forever
Look up bron stats with iggy on the court and off the court his stats was against the backups
A lot of ppl forget iggy made a lot of the scrappy plays and changed the momentum at certain times due to play. Not everything is about scoring 30 or shooting 3s you can effect a game with a donut if you play or played ball you know this. Pay attention to detail not how much points a person scored.
You think they win more games without curry or without iggy
I want Iguodala!
media and jj still dont know that Iguodala doesnt go by Iggy? every warriors player calls him andre
That last line is what shaq've been doin' right after retirement lol
JJ brings up a great point - we should appreciate players like lebron / Steph / KD while they’re here. Just appreciate good ball. I think ranking them and having all these hypothetical conversations takes away from their greatness in the moment
Yup. I hate Kobe, still a proud Kobe hater (sports hate not actual hate), but I still loved watching him play and appreciated it while cheering against him. There were games where he went off and I hated that he did but still appreciated it. His last game I was hoping they would get stomped but once the last half of the 4th quarter hit and he was knocking shots down I couldn't help but cheer and get excited. Sometimes fans need to step back and just appreciate seeing greatness, players become great not just because they have great talent but they put in the work to be consistently great and when they have those games or moments it's okay to appreciate it.