Kyle Rittenhouse Update (I WAS WRONG)
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I mean, That guy got shot doing what he loved. Chasing minors.
Some people never let go of their passions
Ooffff lol
Lmaof. The whole of democrats mabey some republicans? Anyways 100% of blm antifa are wrong. What a sad hill to die on LOL!
Still a gold comment, you drop this 👑
@@IsraelCountryCube 85 percent of politicians anyway
I just find it weird how every one who attacked him was a felon
@@GENXJOPLIN Rosenbaum and Huber were convicted child rapists. The system isn't always fair but I can't defend a child molester. Not every felon is a small amount of pot. Maybe next time educate yourself on the subject matter and you won't look so stupid.
because a lawful person won't attack people, or go to a protest in the first place
@@kdesikdosi5900 Lawful people can go to a protest. Riots are a different story.
@@GENXJOPLIN exactly what I expect to hear from a felon.
@@kdesikdosi5900 lawful people absolutely do go to protests. It's literally our #1 right to do so.
Funny how he shoots 3 people out of that crowd and 2 were child molesters.
with odds like that. most of the people in that riot must of had some type of dirty dirt on them.
Who else is for making Kyle a judge? He clearly knows how to pick out the criminals.
all 3 were jewish, too
Surprised? Those were liberals
Funny how they called him racist when every single person who he shot (who were all armed and ready to kill the kid) was white.
Dude the Irony of a man being paralyzed from the waste down when he as a warrant for sexual assault just sounds like good old fashion karma to me
So they charge the kid as an adult. Then they charge him for being a minor with a weapon. What a mess.
That's twisted Liberal criminal system for ya!
@@Sean-ib3dn why haven't Republicans changed then? can't just blame everything on liberals.
They charged the McCloskey's with a felony and seized their weapons. The guns they brandished and didn't use to deter a violent mob on their private property. All the while violent rioters are being arrested a let go some well over 10 times.
Last year they basically accused a kid of being a white supremacist for smiling and now had to pay millions for defamation. The question is: whens enough going to be enough?
In WI you are charged as an adult at age 17 for criminal matters. Status offenses still apply at age 17.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. No different than an entitled 16 year old little shit drinking and driving and getting charged as an adult for killing the occupants of the other car he hit while also getting charged as a minor for being above the legal BAC of 0.0% (the legal limit for minors).
I like how after he extinguished the fire you can hear one of them say " why he do that?" Like seriously dude, y'all were about to blow up a gas station.
That wasn't Kyle. Kyle had purple gloves on and different clothes.
@@sweezy7455 I never referred to that man as Kyle, I just said "he". Still is funny though, its like you and your friend being stuck in one of them saw traps until the police bust in and rescue you, and your friend asks why they turned off the trap.
I’ve seen a video of a gas station blowing up. The explosion was absolutely massive. Dude saved the entire surrounding area and a lot of people
@@lamedavid6145 I assume the gas station was prepared for this though. They probably shut the pipes.
@@BastiaanNetjes Never assume anything !
If he was a "mass shooter" absolutely surrounded by hundreds of targets then why did he fire so few shots?
exactly...and if he went there hellbent on murdering someone like so many have tried to say then why would he bother putting out fires and allowing himself to be assaulted etc? Why not just drive by and shoot a bunch of people and go home?
would it be called pea shooting
Look I personally don’t think he was in the wrong legally, but he was looking for a fight, it’s like leaving your door open and hoping a robber comes in so you can shoot them for fun
@@EperogiLimousine I never claimed Rittenhouse made a sane and rational decision by being there. He was in fact grossly irresponsible..HOWEVER, he still possesses the legal right of self defense. Our laws don't specify you have to be "smart" or "competent" in order to have rights. I do NOT participate in any of the manufactured political BS stuff going on in our brainwashed culture right now. One side is conditioned into believing Rittenhouse is a "HERO" who represents their 2nd Amendment and right wing beliefs and the other side is conditioned into labeling him as a "VILLAIN" and "mass shooter" who represents all the things liberal hate and fear about conservatives and gun culture. I don't buy any of that garbage.
@@EperogiLimousine So, hearing about the violent gangers from the next township heading over to sack yours and you and your sheriff all arm up, but the sheriff does nothing, and you decide to try and keep your homes from burning down is "looking for a fight"? Guess he should have lain down and took it from the pdo, right? That's your insaneo logic. He didn't do anything wrong. He was a resident in a town where a violent gang of criminals came looking for a fight, armed for his own protection in case shitheads didn't like him doing things like putting out fires or administering emergency aid.
All I can say after watching this is that crowd mentality somehow leads to people thinking they're bulletproof.
It’s more of people loose sense of self and self preservation in a crowd. It just doesn’t come up in your brain that you are directly in danger in a situation like that.
its the mob mentality
When I called this a dumpster fire I didn’t think it actually started with a dumpster fire
💯💯💯
the pun is actually real, im so depressed now :DDDDDDDDDDDDD
If it involves leftists, you can safely assume there's a dumpster fire raging.
What a sweet irony
The most ironic part is they wanted to vandalize that gas station that’s owned by a (not white) immigrant who build that business himself, who was also standing out there saying he hopes if anyone has to die tonight it’s him. Had my wife in tears.
“Let’s chase after a dude with a fully loaded AR even though he is not targeting us.” Natural selection took over this one.
So if a spree shooter attacked your protest, you wouldn't rush the shooter?
They deserve a Darwin Award
eyescreamcake Spree shooters are killing people at random right? This kid was getting chased and assaulted.
And even After he had already shot someone fucking retarded 😂
@@eyescreamcake of course not. If you don't have the tools (firearm), skills (proper training) and attitude (decision-making under stressful situations) your priority list is Run > Hide > Fight:
1) RUN! Get out of the danger zone so you don't put yourself and others at risk. End the encounter before it begins.
2) If you can't run, HIDE and wait until you can. Avoid having the encounter altogether.
3) Only if you can't run or hide, FIGHT. And fight as your life depends on it, because if the previous steps failed, it really does.
You won me over when you said you will admit when you're wrong. Sign of a real man 💪🏻
just a sign of a person who can take feedback and knows, well, when they’re wrong. being a “real man” doesn’t have anything to do with it
Two years later and justice has been served
So much for a speedy trial.
@@dirtyfiendswithneedles3111 Im glad with the outcome tho. I really could see them trying to make an example out of him so im glad hes home
I'm going back and seeing what my favorite tactical youtubers are saying about it now that we have all the info. Pretty interesting.
@@dirtyfiendswithneedles3111 Murder trials are never speedy. ⏲ ⏳
@@briancleveland6115 good thing this wasn't a murder trial.
Probably one of the biggest reasons I like Donut; dude acknowledges when he's wrong.
Humble man
i like him because of his stache. nothing more nothing less.
How did you get 150 ish likes in 5 minutes?
@@clipvault9405 periodt
*Cough* George Floyd *Cough*
It's amazing how this seemingly normal dude does a world class job at reporting while you have no chance of getting this level of journalism from corporate news syndicates
Because they're paid to lie to us.
@@colby1398 only in 2020 did i realize how powerful the media is, they can literally start wars with words. Whoever has control of the news media clearly runs the world, you have unlimited power of mind control, so much so that they can blatantly lie and people are too fucking dumb or tribal to view anything from their own perspective instead of being told what to think
Troof
I know right 🤔
No kidding ? So true news is as fake as covid
There were a lot of people who were “wrong” about this case, including myself. The media played it out as some vigilante who was out there looking for a gun fight. After watching the ENTIRE trial, it was painfully obvious Rittenhouse was well within his means for everything he did.
Was he? Why did he even go there if not to kill someone. I just don’t understand the argument of “he meant well” whilst he wielded a weapon with the purpose of murder
@@cianbroderick1900 There was no purpose of murder. He had the weapon to protect himself. Its also his right after all to have a weapon. He also didn't start any fight.
@@cianbroderick1900 To try and help everyone being hurt by the protest in various ways. It's not that hard to understand.
@@cianbroderick1900 he didn't wield it as weapon of murder, the fuck do you expect him to do when a group of angry mobs are following you with guns or knives and obviously he fucking would shoot because he was in danger of losing his life from people who are known to literally stomp people to death smdh
@@cianbroderick1900 If the rioters didn't want to get shot they shouldn't have been rioting and attacking people
Thank God the final decision in this case was a just one.
A sex offender got shot in the groin? Sounds like justice to me
That was hilarious 🤣
I mean yeah he’s a sex offender but still doesn’t mean didn’t have to die like that
While "protesting" because another sex offender got paralyzed from the waist down. At this rate we'll soon have no more sex offenders.
Alpha Coo youre right. He got the easy way out.
On that day the sex offender met the sex defender
Rosenbaum sounds like a great 17th Century piano composer. His greatest pieces are all in A minor
kek
Underrated comment lol
Vicious. And sharp. I like it.
One thing to remember about Rosenbaum is that he loved to play sad-sounding violin pieces. He sure loved to fiddle with those minors.
How do you finger A minor again??
Man I told everybody Kyle would be not guilty on all charges from the start. And people laughed in my face, literally. Man, they wouldn’t even look me in they eyes when that verdict came through.
Before the trial even began I spoke to several lawyers here in California and they said the same thing.
@kennymichaelalanya7134 I think those lawyers from California must've watched the video footage to come to that conclusion....just like the rest of us without "The Derangement Syndrome" did
Most idiots just watch the media and actually believe its true when in fact everything the media says is a lie. If you want to figure out the truth reverse everything the media says. Like when they made up lies that Trump had classified documents. Immediately you know the truth is that Trump has none and Biden has them. And oh look sure enough about a month later what do we find out? 🤣
Imagine having a bunch of criminal charges for fighting off a mob and not dying.
A mob of felons, mind you.
imagine playing vigilante, travelling to a different state with a rifle, looking for a gunfight.
@@cyrollanI’ll agree to a power trip maybe but nobody looks for a street gunfight.
@@cyrollanself defence fucking cry about it
@@cyrollan Self defense is not vigilantism. Trying to stop a kid running towards the cops to turn himself in so you can dispense "street justice" instead... THAT'S vigilantism.
He ran away from everybody who attacked him. Didn’t even stand his ground until he had no more ground to stand on.
He kinda sat his ground, though.
@@forgalzz7 with extreme prejudice lmao.
I don't even understand how this is even a question. Yeah, he didn't even stand his ground, he was constantly running. People attacked him, he defended himself. What kind of bird brain can even interpret this as murder? Smh...
@@musiclaboratory9694 I think you meant lhbo "Laughing His Bicep Off"
This case isn’t up to us to debate about. Most of us don’t know enough about how the court works to guess what the outcome of this case will be and even if some of us do know, we have very little of actually evidence that will be presented durning the trials.
(I personally think Kyle’s actions were the right thing. I hate pretentious people that go on those kind of riots that pretend to be righteous and I would love to see most of them dead. Mine is a biased opinion. And I can assure you that both defense and prosecution won’t settle with a biased judge that supports the other side. Most likely they’ll agree on a judge that isn’t biased. That alone could take half an year.)
But I can logically judge that Kyle was the offender. He openly brought a gun in public and provoked the rioters by putting out the fire. (It doesn’t matter if what he did was “good”, all that matters here is that he initiated the confrontation) logically speaking the outcome was the direct cause of him putting out that fire. Of course this wouldn’t be a big deal if it didn’t result in 2 people dead and another wounded.
But more importantly he is the minority here. When he was “defending” himself, from the rioters perspective the said “defense” could be interpreted as “offense”. And rightfully so! Kyle was a danger to others, thus it legally allowed the rioters to disarm him or something like that. (At least that’s if we look at this from rioters perspective, all they knew was that Kyle shot someone.) if he dropped his gun right there and then, he would be justified in self defense. Since if the rioters took aggression even after Kyle surrendered it would be illegal. But he ran with the gun... thus giving the rioters legal reason to “beat his ass”.
Most of the charges are likely to be dismissed. But it’s obvious that Kyle was in the wrong legally. He was illegally caring the gun he used to defend himself with. Idk how it works exactly but, I think since he defended himself trough illegal means, he can’t push self defense.
Colion Noir just made a video about this explaining how in his POV as a lawyer everything Kyle did can be justified as self-defense and that the only charge that would stick would be the misdemeanor for the rifle
That was a good video
I heard that the specific rifle he was carrying was 16+
I'm all for Kyle but if they convict him it means the begging of the end for people trying to "legally" defend themselves from death.
That really shouldn't even be illegal itself, given that he is, by US federal law, a member of the unorganized US militia, being an able bodied man between the ages of 17-45. Given that the militia is to be armed and well-regulated, laws prohibiting 17 year olds from owning firearms ought to be moot.
Title 10 U.S. Code § 246
This case is going to bring that issue under serious light, and, should it somehow make it to SCOTUS, will likely result in a ruling which makes those laws null and void.
@@yadayada4690 Confirm yourself but I heard that long guns in general are 16+. No pistols or short barrels under 18.
Joseph Rosembaum, the 2020 Fuck Around Find Out champion
😂😂
With hindsight, it was bizarre that the _victim_ of a mob of rampaging sex offenders, wife beaters, and illegally armed felons was charged with a crime rather than handed a medal.
Because he showed up to a protest with a gun
@@luisortega3090 but it is open carry, besides "shall not be infringed"
@@garynachbauer8144 I’m all for the 2A but going to a demonstration with a gun kinda spits in the face of the whole “right to peaceful protest” thing.
@@luisortega3090 One thing is sure, you are all for distorting the facts to your convenience , sound like a leftist to me. 1) There was no peaceful protest that's why there were a lot of guys with guns protecting their properties. 2) He didn't go to a demonstration with a gun, he went to help people that were being attacked by the violent demonstrators. 3) There were demonstrators with guns, but they were no to protect anybody, they were to hurt people, like the guy that tried to shoot Kyle. Also the use of a skateboard to the head of someone is a lethal weapon and so is trying to burn someone with fire..
@@luisortega3090 but yet again so does arson, vandalism, and property damage go against peaceful protest. Not to mention a "peaceful protestor" showed up with a gun as well. These sorts of events arent peaceful and he should have the right to defend himself.
Grandaddy used to say, "Don't ever try to grab somebody's gun, they might just let you have it".
Idk some girls love to grab guns
Okay this is a great quote.
Grandaddy was a smart man.
"Here's some free bullets if you can catch them!"
Best meme Ive seen in a long time said:
"At least Rosenbaum died doing what he loved most, chasing little kids."
In all seriousness, a minor defended himself from a convicted sex offender
Sad yet, factual! Oh wait, facts are Racist to these people! Kyle's still triggering them!😆 This Is the everyday person who is fed up! I'm right there with him. Someone had to do it. And he did it very well!
Quantum Karma what?
I spit out my drink, shouldn't be laughing. But I am
Had to get my dad to buy my AR for me since I was not 21 at the time to buy one but somehow this little ass boy got a AR and only 17😂 and you wonder why so many US guns get into the hands of criminals and narcos
Bro was being attacked and had less than like 3 seconds to think (while he being attacked from what he might’ve thought was everywhere)
I love how the charges basically say, "so all these people were gonna try and kill him, but he shouldn't have shot them." What fucking clowns lol.
this is like the most "holy shit" case of self defense I've ever heard of
I'm really hoping that the NRA jumps on this. He's an amazing example of why we are given the right to bear arms.
kid went: SKRRAATATTA RATATTATA GRRRRRATATATATATTATAA BANG BANG BOP BAPPAPAPAP ESKITEET BANG BAPAPAPAAAA im John Wick! skrrrt skrrrrt!!
tbh it was only a matter of time before it happened with all the stuff going on. im suprised it hasn't happened more.
Catt LT what can the nra do?
@@kyleflynn2639 they have lots of money, which means lots of advertisements, which means a lots of public outcry, which means the district attorney may just happened to lower the charges or drop a few.
I was wrong.
Joseph Rosenbaum repeatedly yelled the n-word and was later canceled by Kyle Rittenhouse.
Joseph Rosenbaum reportedly plans to vote Democrat later this year.
But only by mail in voting
As the saying goes, if you're dead you vote Democrat
@@Jackson-vx9vl I think he going to do both it's the demorat way.
The last one took me a minute but sent my sides into orbit. GG man
@@Jackson-vx9vl in all 50 states
A mass Shooting has one or more actors shooting INDISCRIMINATELY at unarmed people . Kyle only ever fired at Active Actors with tools or weapons moving to cause harm , or to cause disability so that others could inflict harm thus differentiating Kyle from those others !
There is and can be no issue in making that distinction . A distinction that should be made with every commentary on this matter .
well said
The whole night all I seen was a young man doing the right thing. Cleaning graffiti stopping fire's and helping people and look at how the justice system works.
Dude literally killed people
@shadowmonkey9093 Literally killed people in self defense.
@@SL2_. You would die in his situation if that’s how you think.
@@dionmcelvain1550 literally didn't fucking ask
@@SL2_. Obviously, a number of people seem to be really confused about this situation. You didn't ask, but you are obviously confused, and now you shouldn't be. Lol
Imagine a world where criminal activity is favored and defending yourself is ripped to shreds in every way to make you look guilty instead of a victim.... Oh wait...We do not have to imagine because this is happening more and more...
Welcome to communist america
Terrifying facts!!!!
This simply won't end until we put a stop to the communist uprise in the state and media.
I've always thought. The system is not protecting the good from the bad. It the other way around. It protects the bad from the good and it stopping the good for being able to get rid of the bad in there societies
@@thedude-ur9os The problem is that the system has failed and is failing even greater everyday. The government has done such a great job at dividing us that the only way to protect this country may not happen because we can not join together to fight it.
kid puts out a dumpster on fire with people pushing it towards a gas station... then everyone tries to attack him, what a society
he literally stopped a dumpster fire, and it caused a dumpster fire
We do live in a society afterall
nilloc93 that's a pretty good way of putting it
@@nilloc93 The whole scenario was like dumpster fire inception. He put out a small dumpster fire which caused a bigger dumpster fire of him fleeing/fighting for his life. And all within a city that's currently a dumpster fire filled with rioting.
Poor kid was put in a messed up situation, those people were trying to kill/harm him. he was defended himself and stopped a fireball heading for a gas station... that's how I see it
I just found your channel and so far, I like how you present these cases. Subscribed
Rushing a guy with a gun and expecting to survive is actually pretty stupid.
The mayor that told cops to stand down should be the one facing all those charges plus failure to carry out oath of office!
Write him a letter and ask for his resignation.
Nah, I wish the cop had stood down completely, as in no police whatsoever. That way the rifle armed defenders can serve the rioters a massacre they’ll never forget and get away with it.
Same with the Orange Chump and the fools during the 1/6 insurrection... shame only one had to go to the sunken place 👹👺☠👻
@@EatAllDaHumans amen
@CryptoKing NYC who gives the order to shoot? Who told Capitol police to step aside? And by the way, what "Riot"? A cop died at home from heart failure and someone shot an unarmed woman. There was no burning and looting as in what the idiots antifa and blm do. The cops should do their job and enforce laws, but instead heal to the facist dictatorship of the communist democrat's who control that city.
So they're going to charge him as an adult, but they're also charging him with not being an adult...
It makes sense dont worry 😅🤣
Circular logic.
Never thought of it that way
Kids as young as 15 are tried as adults in some states. It's a real problem in our justice system.
If you commit adult crimes, don’t be surprised when you get tried as an adult.
Watching this at the end of 2023 ... Crazy how we haven't heard of this case for EVER
Imagine fighting for your life against mob of idiots and getting charged for it
imagine feeling the need to even go to the place in the first place
@@meekel5268-uo5bz apparently criminals are attracted to BLM riots.
@@dougcorcoran5455 They are called block loot murder for a reason
You would never have heard of this guy if the mob murdered him.
What a dumb take, ofcourse you would
How true !
That's moronic, you personally would've used it as proof that "all protesters are violent rioters"
That's a stupidly unrealistic view
Silly responses huh bro you can give them no attention that’s what they crave
I can honestly appreciate when you/someone admits they’re wrong.. doesn’t happen these days
Tbf he stuff he was wrong about was pretty small stuff
When I clicked on the video I first thought something came out that showed Kyle start the fight.
I didn’t say anything about “my” friends or family... this clearly went over your head.. so I’m going to need you to hang out at school for a few more hours a day..
Small stuff... big stuff.... doesn’t matter.. to admit you’re in the wrong makes a man a man or woman a woman..
Because of his willingness to admit when wrong and using viseo/still footage to back up what he is saying makes doughnut one of my more watched CZcams channels
has he gone over the leaked Floyd footage? Or does he still refer to the incident as "garbage" policing?
Grosskreutz is so angry about Kyle's acquittal, he's been sitting in his room for a year trying to make a fist...
Wait, a child molestor got shot in the groin by a minor he was trying to assault.
That sounds like justice. . . . .
Yea a minor that hits women!!!!
www.vladtv.com/article/265072/kenosha-shooter-was-filmed-assaulting-woman-weeks-before-shooting?
Crispus Attucks in that video it looked like the girl swung first. I believe in equal rights and lefts lol not to say what he did that day was right but the events on The night of the shooting were justified. Doesn’t matter what happened another day with another person.
@@crispusattucks7460 Typical leftist snowflake moron. Blind to the actions of violent criminals when it fits your narrative. No one is perfect. Kyle's not a hero for punching that girl. First I've seen of that video, and even then it doesn't show enough context leaving room for wild speculation. He's a hero for standing up for his community against rioters, helping anyone needing EMT assistance, and conducting himself honorably and with restraint when attacked by rioters. F off.
@Elisha Well I agreed with that first statement. Then you kinda went off on an unrelated tangent that denies provable science and I kinda lost my faith in your ability to make a valid argument.
But anyway, to the first half. Yeah, I thought we're all totally identical and equal now. That goes both ways. He didn't even throw the first punch. It looks like he probably went in to save his friends ass from getting whooped. Too bad if she's a woman.
nice shot
It’s so weird that these riots are being constantly filmed so you’ll see one person in the background of like 10 videos
Indeed, Master Kenobi.
Indeed general Kenobi
Imagine all the videos they had to comb through. Kyle should of had someone with him to personally film his Rambo mission.
Well this is awkward....
Hello there
After seeing the full video and all the action that took place with Rittenhouse, Kyle was actually running from the all mentioned in the case trying to avoid being hit with the skateboard and being shot! In all the shooting looked legitimately as self defense, plus not only did the rioters turn against Rittenhouse for putting out the fire, but the men he shot did in fact attack Rittenhouse first after he extinguished the fire. Most of the problems with the entire case even though Rittenhouse was acquitted of the murder, was the fact that the DAs office in Kenosha Wi wanted to charge him for defending himself and didn’t conduct a thorough investigation into the incident. But what really strikes me as a bad idea is Kyle traveled to Kenosha from another state with the intention to help people and stop the looting and arsonists from burning other companies, store fronts and car dealerships all while under age.
The fact that people still send kyle death threats on twitter every single day saying hes a mass murderer and he is guilty is fucking insane to me. Because they all use the exact same fucking lies in their argument that were all disproven in court.
Why is looking at why the city didn't have a trained officer in charge to prevent a kid from having to ruin his life to save his life.
Edit: I think I started a comment war
Because it’s racist to fight back.
They were all busy fighting the dumbass rioters
Exactly. We cant overlook that all these situations are the fault of local governments.
@@davespringer777 forget local governments, the army should be sent in the second they start burning churches
Jim under US law places of worship are considered charities, as the sharing of religion is considered a charitable act.
"y u do dat"
well you see kind young sir it was quite literally a dumpster fire
Indeed
A dumpster fire in a gas station
Yeah but that dumpster fire was just about to end racism.
@@seanrogers8355 lol
That fire extinguisher saved dozens of lives. Gas station would have exploded and left all those idiots dead. They should be thanking the mature adult who put the fire out.
Did anyone that burned that city get prosecuted, or were they more concerned with railroading a teenager that was trying to save the city?
They were more concerned with railroading a teenager that was trying to save the city…. They wanted the city to burn to the ground. Then, “they” can “revitalize” the town, aka, gentrification….. That’s why they let all these felons out of jail, some were even bussed in, knowing that they would cause as much damage as they possibly could, because the cops have been told to not do anything accept watch, but things went wrong for “them” when LEGALLY armed citizens showed up to fix and prevent damages. And in Kyle’s case, render medical aid to ANYONE who needed it. He even used hollow point varmint rounds, 40 grain federal hollow points, you can buy them real cheap at Walmart. Because even at 17 he knew the dangers of over penetration. Especially when going into a riot with people all over the place. You want that bullet to stop completely in the attacker. And not sail right through the attacker/attackers, and hit someone doing nothing but maybe, just maybe, actually peacefully protesting. Yet they want to portray him as a mass shooter? He didn’t even have a spare magazine….. just the 30 rounder, and possibly +1 in the chamber. So at most he had 31 rounds…. He fired 8 or 9 rounds, had no spare mag, was surrounded by people yelling get him, beat him up, all kinds of shit. There was even someone else in the crowd shooting at him…. This whole thing was outrageous, and the fact the ones in charge, yeah, are more concerned about a 17 year old defending himself against violent felons high on all kinds of bad shit, and attacking him, 2 people attempting to take his gun, and we know exactly what they would have done with it had they successfully took it from him, is unacceptable. And should be addressed. This was a political attack on Kyle. He didn’t even shoot or kill any black people, sure, he shot at one, after they flying jump kicked him in the face, and their also portraying him as a white supremacist….. This is absolutely pathetic, and infuriating. They tried the same BS on that couple who stood in their front yard with firearms, after a psychotic mob broke through a rod iron gate, and poured in like termites. And after watching the news in 2020, with people like that burning places down, killing shop owners, killing cops left and right, gunning down right wing journalists then shooting at cops when they show up to arrest him, and attacking civilians, including an elderly woman in a wheelchair, why shouldn’t they take up arms and defend their home, and their lives, neighborhood and property??? We must never forget the psychotic lefts behavior in 2020, and their Democrat “representatives”, who by the way they couldn't legally vote for being felons…. DEFENDING their violent actions, calling the riots "firey, but peaceful protests"…. We must never forget 2020…. For many reasons. But, like 9/11, most will forget…. And continue absorbing anything they hear on MSNBC, or CNN, ABC….. regarding the “Jan 6” committee….. I try to just go about life anymore, but this should concern people more than it appears it does….
a city he wasnt even from. Hes a moron.
Kamala personally bailed them out of jail.
The Kenosha Hero
See this is how the main stream media should be ADMIT WHEN THEY GET THINGS WRONG .
Then they would spend all their time on corrections...
yeah and they would get money too
They know exactly what they're doing. THEY WILL BE HEALD ACCOUNTABLE.
In my opinion both sides where wrong not just one side...
@@jdarrrr ahh yes cuz dumpster > people
Watching the madness in the US from Europe. This show called "Peaceful Protesting" is pretty interesting
Yea CNN has a really interesting take on ‘peaceful protesting’ don’t they?
American Gladiators has been taken to a whole new level
"Peaceful protests"
Praying Europe doesn't have the same shit happen. Most countries' can't defend themselves like this.
Bill Bored it's weird how even the media there protects these extreme leftist. Here it's quite different, police are seen as protectors of the community. We actually stand up for them and let them do their job
Not to be mean or anything, but this entire ordeal could have been prevented if they didn't chase Kyle at all. Chasing someone with a rifle who is clearly in distressed, full of adrenaline and fearing for his life is obviously a dumb freaking move.
But that is a true fact. However reality is slipping away from a lot of people that are getting free government money or otherwise slackers.
Or if momma didn't give KKKyle the gun and a ride across state lines
@@Buasopburing down building and chasing ppl down for putting out a fire is actually opposite of ur claim .
@@bockscar1 Man, you're reaching. A cop in plain clothes ended up on CZcams and eventually fired for starting the fire at Autozone, but go ahead and lie like the rest of the maga-moron traitors; I'm used to it.
Don't forget to celebrate the 1st annual "Fuck Around and Find Out Day" this November 18.
BTW...Anyone know if Black Rifle Coffee has issued an apology to our hero yet? I won't ever forget.
Dude with the handgun told his friend after the shooting that he shouldn’t have hesitated and was going to “empty his clip in to his ass”. Seems like Kyle successfully defended himself to me.
Whered you see that?
I've seen that too
Yes it has been pretty widely reported, I have heard it from multiple sources
@@Linkophere I think armed margins showed the tweet in his video about kyle
He’s still alive. Mission failed.
"Mass Sh00tng"
Well yeah, if you wrongfully attack me with a mass of people that's what where going to have.....
With charges like this, if you're going to shoot a Burn Loot Murder terrorist in self defense, you might as well do a few mag dumps into the entire lot of them. You wont face much more time.....
I think the one thing the have a case with is the 1st shooting the reckless endangerment and the possession of a firearm charges.
yEAh! 😎😎😎😎💪💪💪💪#freeOsama
@@PakistanDefenseForum A mass shooting is just a phrase that describes an event in which, I think, two or more people die from being shot. The question is not if it's a mass shooting, but if it is justified. There's a previous video in which a young man defends his home from three burglars, killing all three with an AR. That was technically a mass shooting. Also self defence.
And no charges for the Felon trying to shoot him with a pistol..
A felon who even said from his Hospitol bead that he wanted to kill the teen.
often times i think my social anxiety and social avoidance puts me at great disadvantage but then i watch videos like these and am comforted in knowing i'll never be a person being analyzed in these videos.
There’s not 1000 properly functioning brain cells amongst the crowd of imbeciles that lite that dumpster.
It was a horrible idea and many ppl could have been severely burned.
Nearly a year post trial and verdict. Still a very informative, good explanation and fact finding/providing. This is why you are so amazing.
No matter how someone feels about what happened. On what side someone falls politically. There's no way to factually get around the reality Rittenhouse was defending himself.
Legally speaking you can, look at Wisconsin’s self defense laws, because Rittenhouse was committing criminal activity the self defense law will not be applicable to the situation. They look at it as fuck around and find out.
That's like saying killing police who are trying to arrest you is clearly self defense. Yes, logically it is, but that doesn't mean it's justified.
@A KB I hope so. FREE KYLE!!! I would have done the same thing if I were in his shoes. Being attacked by many people and his life was in danger. Stand your ground and do what needs to be done. He better win his case. People need to learn we are tired of this shit and are no longer fucking around!
What, no, clearly its wrong to kill those attacking you and trying to kill you. Haven't you seen what CNN and other liberal media has said about defending yourself or property from others, it isn't your right its their right to take what they want.
BOT #Iwasboughtbythischannel Not a fair comparison. Being chased by a group of police and being chased by an angry mob are not the same at all.
The criminal complaint is basically someone explaining how Kyle was attacked multiple times before shooting his attackers? Sounds more like a brief the defense would submit.
That was my take, they know this won't stick I think the DA just knows if they don't charge him the media will throw a fit and help whip the rioters into a frenzy. Not that that won't happen when the cops aren't charged for Blake and this kid walks away with an acquittal. If these political hacks just stopped bending over to rioters and drew a fucking line in the sand none of this would be happening, instead they try to dance around in the fire thinking they won't get burned.
@@MrMattumbo Pretty much. I even started to wonder whether Donut switched to reading a statement from the defense given how detailed the description of the initial attempted gun grab was.
Exactly!
HA HA HA now you are a lawyer. More like living in a fantasy.
I am certain they are only charging him to prevent more riots. They are intentionally overcharging and their brief sounds like the defense wrote it. I have a feeling they will drop all charges unceremoniously over the weekend or next weekend.
He defended himself that’s protected by the second amendment both foreign and domestic
So they're charging him for being a minor, but they're trying him as an adult.
Oh yeah its big brain time
It's fine. At 17 years old he was in his 18th year of life. KR knew what he was doing so now he gets to play in the big leagues
@@alrightyru Uh yeah, he defended himself and other peoples property. He's such a bad guy I know.
@@alrightyru Oh yeah dude he totally wanted to shoot people, you can tell by how he was trying to escape
@@alrightyru did you expect him to just take a skateboard or a bullet to the head or something? because im confused...
Dude shot in arm :"I neeeed a meddiiic!!!"
Lol bro the medic just shot you
@Woochinatchika Kokillibolinov Its medic Inception!
AAAAAAAGH I NEED A MEDIC BAG!!
@Woochinatchika Kokillibolinov LOL to call an anarcho commie a medic in any degree is an insult to medics everywhere. They tried giving CPR to heart wound guy and compressed his abdomen and didn't give breaths XD
The irony
I believe it's called being a harmacist
no one has brought up that despite some of the unusual firing positions, he never used more ammo then necessary, not only that but to my understanding he only missed one shot and that was a quick moving threat from behind while in the half seated position. kids got skillz.
He missed two shots out of eight total, both fired at Freeland, who was trying to kick him in the face at the time. So I think we can cut the kid some slack. Still, an 87.5% hit rate is pretty solid for a 17 year-old militiaman.
@@SharkVsTree two shots out of eight is 75% hit rate bro
@@inutero3516 Yep. Eight shots fired, seven hits total. He fired four times at Rosenbaum, got five hits.
Kyle should run for pres. I would vote for him over Trump any day.
I xant believe there are clowns out there who don't see this is obviously a cut and dried case of multiple counts of self defense.
Kyle may have "disparity of force " on his side due to the size of the group and the fact that at least two of them were armed. upon further investigation it has been ascertained that Kyle had been knocked to the ground and physically assaulted by at least two assailants, one of witch he shot, this combined with the fact that in previous encounters with these "rioter/protesters" they have been known to beat people unconscious and when armed, have been known to shoot people. No matter what you think about this, you cant deny the fact that Kyle was in fear for his life and acted to defend himself from great bodily injury.
He not only defended his life, he did it with all the poise and situational awareness of a combat veteran. He could have easily taken out more of the people that went after him, but left alone the ones who legitimately begged off. The One-Armed Bandit, on the other hand, faked a surrender and got his bicep turned into hamburger.
Yes I agree,however it was not right that he brought a gun with him and went out of his way to bring that gun to the protest. He was looking for trouble
Christopher Yeah one-armed guy would have committed an actual war crime had this happened in a warzone.
Space Marine Chaplain or he knew that these riots get violent and brought something for protection
spatosky He shouldn’t have been there true, but kids make dumb mistakes (his mistake being that he went at all). The way I see it is that anyone in his situation would’ve done the same
Mobs: Why you put that fire out?
Kyle: Fire Bad
Mobs: **start attacking Kyle**
Kyle: **defense himself**
Mobs: HeS a MuRdErEr!!!
*Absolute Bruh Moment*
the civilian combat medic xD
@steezs i don't get it, we abolished the police and then citizens took defending their country into their own hands. Who could've saw that coming
"Fire Bad!" Frankenstein Monster is now a Blue Lives Matter Ally.
Nice.
The boy is a hero. We need more heroes.
Agreed, he was minding his own business, in the middle of a mob, in front of everyone, open carrying, far from home. The mob isn’t justified in swarming that kid, but you bring a 17-yo with a rifle into a hostile area, I’m surprised he didn’t kill more people. Should’ve stayed at home or left the rifle in the car.
Self defence 100% even during the second and third shootings he waited untill someone was literally jumping on him to fire. I want to see people that think this is murder be in the same situation and not fear for their lives
I keep living by not rushing people holding rifles. Works pretty well.
puts out a literal dumpster fire that’s going to be used to cause egregious harm and/or death
“Y U DO DAT”
He didn't actually put out the dumpster fire until he started shooting..... The rioters are the real dumpster fire
David Melton truth
If you watch some of the other videos you can hear these "peaceful protesters" conspiring to jump the "militia" for their weapons
This is what the police are dealing with ALL DAY every day.
@rzr fan See my other comment in this thread
They’ll act like a mob of people can’t kill someone by beating them to death (even though it’s apparent some had weapons too)
They’ll act like if the mob got his gun there was no risk to his life and others
And they’ll act like they wouldn’t shoot people who tried jumping on top of them after they tried to run away and that they wouldn’t shoot someone who attempted to lunge at them with a handgun
They’re the same hypocrites who block the road and shoot at you if you try to pass by them
The mob is deadly, stupid people in large numbers.
If someone took that gun out of his hands, they would have executed him with it, shot till he stopped moving.
Alex V 8:0” minute mark on this video czcams.com/video/5cLPfB0vBG4/video.html
You know the best way he could've protected himself? Stay tf home.
beside the greatness of him being free the court videos are amazing how bad they handled it trying to get rittenhouse
Rosenbaum charges at Kyle and tries to cause harm
Kyle shoots Rosenbaum
The crowd: GET HIS ASS. He just defended himself
GAIGE WAS NEVER "SURRENDERING" OR PUTTING HIS HANDS UP AS IN GIVING UP OR TRYING TO CALM THE SITUATION.
I get so tired of hearing that gaige was putting his hands up before he was shot in the arm. He WAS NOT putting his hands up, he flinched (causing his hands to pull up to his head to protect it) from the shot that hit the skateboarder. He then started to charge at Kyle while bringing the gun back onto Kyle. It even looks like he was about to unload on Kyle right as the shot that hits the skateboarder goes off. In my opinion it was amazing that Kyle didn't shoot till the absolute last moment he had to with all 4 of the people he shot at. When he shot gaige he starts to draw on him then while he's flinching he starts to lower the rifle. Then shoots him when he starts coming back towards him. Probably the only reason he was shot in the arm and not the chest, cause Kyle didn't shot him immediately.
I never in my life thought I would witness two people dressed as medics having a gun fight in the middle of the street!
Watching the vid I think Rittenhouse had a malfunction in his AR after Huber was shot. He cleared it at the next moment and Grosskreutz decided to try a shot. Grosskreutz' friend later quoted Grosskreutz as saying he would have fired his whole magazine at that Rittenhouse if he hadn't been shot. 4 inches to the right and Grosskreutz would have been unavailable for comment. He probably talked up a ton of crap to the cops who rescued him (right after they drove right by Rittenhouse and told him to beat it!). The fact that Rittenhouse didn't finish Grosskreutz off makes it seem unlikely he had deadly intent and disregard for human life. This coupled with his fire discipline as you mention underline the case as self defense and not wanton shooting by a crazed person. He only shot at people attacking him.
Yeah, the fucking restraint of that kid in that moment; He could've offed the other incoming idiot behind Gaige.
@@killcrazyvegan I've heard someone else say that... I don't really see it. But wasn't really looking for it. Just looked like he started to lower the rifle cause gaige was banking up with hands up. Then pulled it back up as he started towards him again
The old false surrender tactic
Lin Wood has announced on Twitter that he and his team are representing Kyle pro bono. Looks like we're teeing off for a savage courtroom fight.
Well, no, the actual firm is one that the #FightBack foundation is paying for:
twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1299366416026677248
www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-defended-fightback-foundation-kenosha-shooting-l-lin-wood-raising-money-gofundme/5650147002/
@@KevinSmith-gu7fb Ah, my mistake. I only saw the first Tweet
Someone taking your gun is enough grounds to shoot. They are actively trying to take a firearm from you.
So glad he was acquitted. Most obvious self defense I’ve ever seen.
There is an interview out with the guy that was interviewing Kyle earlier that day. The same guy that ran up next to Kyle to take of rosenbaum when he got shot. They exchanged words and he told Kyle to call someone, not fully realizing that it was Kyle he was talking to. Kyle then took up his phone and started calling. When rioters started closing the distance he ran cause he was in a tight spot.
Im not really sure who the guy Kyle called is. But i expect that it was someone close to him that was also attending the riots. Seeing how he was singled out and alone with a gun swarmed by protesters he might have called a medic friend close by for backup.
I think the media is trying to portray it like he called his best friend at home and "bragged" about it.. Which makes me sick to my stomach.. Cause i think he called the person for backup and some medical aid.
Maybe he was calling an adult for advice because ya know, he's a minor
Link?
Cassus Belli I mean whoever that role model is probably should have told him in the first place to stay home because he can’t legally carry a firearm. But I get what you’re saying, I just can’t believe that he was able to walk right past police vehicles
From the tone and inflection in his voice, to me it sounded like a call to report the situation requiring assistance rather than a brag. Like he had that "I'm trying to facilitate a well intentioned responsible thing" sound to his voice. I don't see a guy trying to do harm there. Like he was there to help people and prevent vandalism
He called a police detective it was stated in the video, he also tried to turn himself in
I've heard that the gun was actually borrowed from one of his friends, and is allowed to be used by 16 and 17 year olds in that state. A lot of people are trying to say he illegally brought it into the state with the intent to kill.
It's kind of a stretch to say that this wasn't self defense.
Only problem is that 16 and 17 year olds can use rifles if they are hunting. So, unless he was hunting people in the city, he will likely go down for that. Still, as they say, best to be judged by 12 than buried by 6.
He doesn’t get to claims self defense because he illegally crossed state lines, NOT TO MENTION stand your ground isn’t a thing in that state
@@samuelcooper5622 No he didn't illegally cross state lines, at worst he gets charge with class A misdemeanor for being under age. Having the gun illegally doesn't mean you forfeit your right to self defense with that weapon. If you use an illegal weapon that just means you could be found guilty for having that weapon and doesn't mean you automatically commit criminal homicide in a justified scenario. Also he was fine with what he did, without stand your ground laws, that just means you have a duty to retreat if possible, which was the first thing he attempted and only after he was persistently pursued and cornered did he fire the weapon.
@@samuelcooper5622 WRONG. Nr.1 He wasn´t standing his ground, he was runing away. Even with duty to retreat, it´s clear self-defence.
Nr.2 If I have the facts correctly, he did not cross state lines with the weapon. So,like I said, you´re 100% wrong.
Samuel Cooper He wasn’t standing his ground, he was trying to get away. That is crystal clear in the video.
Sounds like self defense to me. Nearly everyone who attacked him had a gun and the one who didn’t could’ve used his gun on him when he got it taken
8:33……”Huber was shot directly in the heart”……how could that be when it’s clear he didn’t have one……
POV: you’re watching this right after Kyle was cleared of all charges
That’s me lol
As he should be.
@@guh3805 if you watched the trial, he didn’t actually leave his state, he lived in Kenosha, his father is in Kenosha, his work is in kenosha. Do some looking before you make claims
@@guh3805 yet he worked there, his father lived there, and my other things. WATCH THE TRIAL
@@guh3805 Wow, it looks like Donut Operator was right: when some people are called out on their bullshit, they just double down on said bullshit.
We didn't know what started the mob's aggression towards him, but now I know, I can say that 100% I think he shouldn't be charged as it was in fact self defence
yea i dont think the norm should be, let mobs of criminals with criminal backgrounds mob onto people when they dont know what happened and to beat or kill someone without due process, kind of ruins the point of the court system he is in now. when your being chased by a mob of angry people shooting firearms around you and your "innocent" at least in the eyes of the court without due process (and you came back to the scene and called 911 to report what happened and try to stay around the violent crowd who just shot off rounds at you or around you and you dont know if ur about to be shot) you shouldnt have to risk your life to find out how badly is the mob going to beat you or even kill you like we seen happen. you know i dont think thats exactly legal to stomp on someone on the ground or to hit them in the head with a skateboard when they are running for their life from a mob of animals, and it shouldnt be accepted. if you didnt see what happened you have to call the cops or record what you can and react off what you see for yourself, you cant get involved in third party encounters when you didnt see what happened and not expect there to be consequences for when you step over the line and are wrong, even if that person is forced to defend their life.
The commies have no interest in due process, only street justice.
Be careful what you wish for...
@Ernest Hemingway
There is also a separate video (in between the one of the dumpster fire & the one when Rosenbaum was shot) of Rosenbaum being belligerent, threatening and confrontational(OK, he was being an asshole) toward Rittenhouse.
CZcams can be a pain in the ass, I'm also a former part time CZcamsr, CZcams prevented me from going live after only going live 2 times, anyways great video and thanks for being a brutally honest CZcamsr Donut!
Kyle needs to sue every single one of them, media and everyone else.
Everyone who didn't attack Kyle, lived.
I'll never get over how the CHARGING DOCUMENTS describe him, unprovoked, being attacked and physically assaulted by an angry mob screaming "beat his ass" and he's NOT allowed to defend himself.
These are called Democrats. More specifically, they're Soros Prosecutors. Enjoy that rabbit hole.
@@democratsarepedos ever play "enter the gungeon", ?
Binger is a corrupt liar.
@@democratsarepedos Being a Democrat has nothing to do with it.
Because his mission was complete and he only had to go home
He was trying to get away from the attackers and they wouldn't let him. That's enough for me. They chased him. If they would have left him alone.....I'm so tired of saying obvious things; "if you don't resist you won't get shot, if you don't attack someone with a gun you probably won't get shot. I'm terrified and angrily, frustrated at the level of stupidity out there."
Also, to add onto this. It would've been one thing to just stop Kyle and wait for the police. But when they hit him with a skateboard that changed it all too.
Matthew Bunn that’s the thing their charging him because he put himself in that situation he could’ve been home relaxing but chose to be outside he knew he was going to end up shooting why come out he knew what he was going to do that’s why they gave him this many charges no matter how you feel he’s going away
@@B00STED.B he knew he would be attacked by peaceful protestors.
Why didn't he shoot the people who didn't attack him? He had more rounds in that magazine?
@@B00STED.B That doesn't change anything. He was there to protect something from rioters. It doesn't stop the fact that when those rioters ignored the implied danger of "someone with gun", and try to attack the guy with the gun, the guy with the gun has every right to shoot to kill.
David Burton he did he shot someone by accident someone who wasent attacking him idc what you guys have to say he got 6 charges you can cry at the end of the day he’s going to jail for a long time
I've seen the clips of Kyle running around putting out fires with the fire extinguisher, and another clip where the rioters were telling other groups to target a kid with a "green shirt and cap".
That night they were TARGETING Kyle. Which led to the shooting incident in the first place.
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What is the title of that video? I'd love to see it.
they were targeting kyle because he was walking around shooting at a protest with an ar15 they wanted to stop a would be shooter not kill or hurt kyle
@@combos7
People who think he murdered don't know what actually happened and you prove that point.
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they were targeting kyle because he was walking around shooting at a protest with an ar15
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He never shot the rifle until he was threatened with murder, chased, and cornered.
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they wanted to stop a would be shooter not kill or hurt kyle
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The first man shot was Joseph Rosenbaum. He threatened to murder several people if he caught any of them alone. He was a convicted child molester and domestic abuser. He wasn't trying to protect anyone. He was trying to make good on his threat to murder.
@@combos7
I can't blame you for thinking Kyle was at fault because you were told that he was walking around shooting at a protest.
But that isn't what happened.
@@presto709 I wasn’t told anything I actually watched the whole video and gathered my own thoughts an opinions. No regular person goes to a protest with a gun to enforce a bunch of wild people without actually being on the force.
You know I read someone's comment saying that he attacked them unprovoked and, he's right maybe when he had is head bashed with a skate board and a gun pointed to his head they were just messing around you know?
Don’t worry I watched again and liked and will be here for the corrections
She's got a-
JAD's MV's nice
@@Marcell. thank you
Don’t worry. Donut is blue line supporter.
This comment thread has become very confused
Protesters: try to attack man with gun
Man with gun: defends himself
Protesters: 😐
“Protesters”: *Surprised Pikachu face*
@@beckhamtoovey4140 Yes.
Weren't they rioters?
Beckham Toovey facts dude 🤦🏻♂️😂
See that you continue to differentiate the words rioters and protesters. We are not accepting newspeak.
I will always remember the time we dragged a child through years of litigation over one of the most well documented cases of clear self defense, with the end result of That child never being provided justice against his attackers.
Kyle being found innocent was not an instance of the system working, it highlighted the problem. The real criminals never spent a day with even a misdemeanor charge floated in their direction. Justice was never served.
Yup, and we still have people that think he's not innocent.
The crowd really got mad at him cuz he distinguished a dumpster fire lmao
So Kyle fires 7 rds. Then the 16 other shots that can be heard throughout the altercation? I'd be willing to bet that Mr mag dump hole in the arm's Glock was just about empty.
It was a 26 or 27- he's more than out.
Oh it's not just a whole in the arm, he has a little canyon where his bicep used to be lmao
Just A chicken
Hahahahaha. Yep!
Womp womp!
Hope he spanks it with the other hand!!
Hahahahaha
@@tenchraven I read somewhere it was a 30 round mag.
Another witness account from down the street says that some of the extra pops are fireworks. Recounts that someone standing by saw the fireworks go off in someone's yard and said something like "Are you fucking kidding me?"
Just wanted to say mad respect to whoever took those high res photos. In the middle of the action instead of running and taking cover they took photos of everything. Takes composure, balls and a little bit of crazy.
Probably a National Geographic photographer, those guys are insane
Mark Skaggs not really that dumb tbh, they know they arent going to get shot because he isnt doing anything, i mean sure, stray bullets, but he was behind him anyways, it wasnt that stupid, better than any current news reporter whos too scared to even get a mile within a damn shootout
They're doing it for their social media accounts and not much more
who tf charges a guy with a whole ass rifle? I think that's a bit more crazy
@@bobwilson00 they are like animals who haven't discovered fire.
I watched quite a bit of that trial. The prosecutor was caught bribing witnesses, destroying evidence and fabricating evidence. These are felonies. He's still the prosecutor for Kenosha WI. What a great justice system.
I've learned something, never run at someone who has a gun..