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Oscars 2019 UPSETS: How did Green Book and Olivia Colman do it? Gutsy analysis by Gold Derby Editors
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- čas přidán 19. 08. 2024
- Post-Oscars slufgest: We're 'devastated,' 'baffled' by Glenn Close's loss, but we know exactly how 'Green Book' won. Gold Derby editors Chris Beachum, Tom O'Neil, Marcus Dixon, Daniel Montgomery, Susan Wloszczyna and Joyce Eng discuss the Academy Awards on the morning after.
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I love Glenn Close, but I never thought The Wife was the film she should win for. I'm glad the Academy awarded the performance and not the career.
AMEN! Olivia deserved it... she was brilliant! I was shocked that The Favourite only won 1/10 though... :/ Sad for Glenn but... yeah, award is for the performance.
@@mrsandyq This whole season I wanted it to be either Gaga or Colman. I would've been happy either way. Close in The Wife was great, but 3rd best in that category in my opinion.
I wouldn't call Green Book a shocker. That was clearly one of the front runners. If Vice won that would've been a shocker. But not Green Book.
I thought Roma would win, but Green Book would be the second choice.
Glenn Close should have won for Dangerous Liaisons. Masterpiece of a performance.
I'm sorry but Green Book is not from Don Shirley's point of view. It's from Viggo's character. Look who they submitted for Best Actor, and who they submitted for supporting. The makers of the film believe that Don Shirley was there purely to Support the main story of Viggo's character.
That aside, Green Book is just not a good film, so generic, no risks, nothing special. It's consumerist Trash. Roma or The Favourite were the right choices.
Glenn Close can't catch a break
She could catch the rabbit though.
18/24 this year. Olivia Colman is the best, glad she won.
Green Book is too safe, of course it won.
Agree with you so much!
Green Book was just boring and pedantic. How many 75 year-olds are voting? Serious question.
Cynthia 4000 old white men in the Academy, what do you expect? Awarding Green Book is the pat on the back they are giving themself for not being “racist.”
Colman winning makes sense in retrospect. Narrative ASIDE ... sure, Close won SAG (maybe not by much, we'll never know), but that's ONLY actors in SAG. Colman won BAFTA (where an entire membership votes, including Academy crossovers). If you look at that, you could see how the 6,000+ voters OUTSIDE of the actors branch might've preferred Colman all along. No Academy voters in the HFPA or BFCA (and Colman won there, as well).
Um Green Book was clearly from Viggo's pov what the hell
Isn't SAG the only award body that denied Olivia a win who also gave it to Glenn? I think people were just blinded by narrative, Olivia had a Globe, a BFCA win, the BAFTA, a Venice win, LAFCA, NSFC, a ton of regional critics awards that didn't even nominate Glenn, and her film had 10 nominations including a ton from the tech voters. It shouldn't have been THAT surprising to y'all...
This!
Olivia Colman did not have a BFCA win. Glenn Close and Lady Gaga had tied for that award.
n the WIFE Movie She already won at Golden globes, Saga, Critic choice, Independent spirit awards, Satellite awards, Hollywood film award, Palm spring international award, San diego film critic society award, , AARP movies for grown ups. Capri Hollywood awards, women film critic circle awards.Women image network awards. I think that's all a great blessing for her career this year. She said losing or winning at the Oscar will not change anything, she added also , that she will continue to do a movie project or tv, as well as doing some stage play in New York. She has a foundation she served it already.. She always been invited to be a spoke person in any other charities foundation I the US. If the OSCAR or BAFTA doesn't really recognized her performance , I think it doesn't ruin her career at all.. The more , she gonna continue her passion in the film industry. Do you think she always been used by the Academy to fill up the empty space?
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Olivia won GG, BAFTA. Glenn won GG, SAG, CRITICS CHOICE, SPIRIT AWARDS!
@@bluedasher74 Olivia Colman did win at BFCA in the lead actress comedy category.
I've got a simple theory on Close losing out on BA; the overdue narrative was so strong and had so much time to build up, that it actually ate into itself. Voters felt like they were voting for Close not because of her great performance, but because of the narrative, and how many people like doing that. It sort of fits into the Green Book and BoRhap upsets, the voters gave a middle finger to assumptions and went with what was more straight-up enjoyable.
Exactly. Olivia appeared as an alternative choice to both Close and Gaga, as the two ended up cancelling each other out.
I honestly don’t get the surprise over Olivia Colman’s win because when you look at the other precursor ceremonies she won most of them. I think Glenn Close’s problem was that while she was a powerhouse performance the movie itself was dull!
She only won BAFTA, which was on home turf
PedroAugusto Marques She also won a globe.
PedroAugusto Marques don’t forget the Golden Globe, Volpi Cup, British Independent Film Award, National Society Of Film Critics Award, Critic’s choice award, Satellite Award, AACTA Award, London Film Critics Circle, Gotham Special Jury Award, Palm Springs Film Festival Award and a few others too
@@99pedropotter That is wrong.
Olivia Colman actually won at the Golden Globes, Critics Choice and the BAFTA.
It was only the SAG she didn't win.
Both Glenn and Olivia wins were quite balanced. With Gaga winning all the original song prizes from the side.
The best part of the video is when Tom goes mute and we keep listening to Joyce. That's a mood.
we are not interested about YOUR scores, we are interested to hear clever interesting comments on the Oscar show and winners, etc.
I scored 2nd among all users, including experts! Super thrilled!
Well done. Just Sasha Stone beat you.
I came 49th.
I was 32nd last year.
Damn Editing and Sound Editing.
Happy for Olivia Colman.
Atif Mir Hussain if i had stuck with my gut on skins winning i would have beaten even Sasha. oh well, next year hahah Super happy for Olivia as well!
4 th place. I was just wrong on actress sound editing and documentary 2,3,4 had the same amount just the points separated us
Manuela Coelho Morning I had Skin and all the shorts. I should have stuck with On mixing.
I had free solo but changed to RBG. THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAGE GONE POLITICAL
Roma put me to sleep honestly, but it was a technical masterpiece. We will be talking about that movie forever. Green book was good but by the next day I had seen it I had already forgotten about it.
Sam Jackson would have gone into profanity if Spike hadn't won?! What kinda Green Book-loving nonsense is that? The man is a professional and would have conducted himself accordingly.
Most people do not understand or see the controversy associated with Green Book. I think it hate from some people is unfair. Their heart was in the right place. Nobody that made that movie was at all racist.
I agree.
The Wife was awful.
If Green Book was told from the Mahershala Ali character's point of view why was he supporting actor instead of lead?
It was told on Tony's (Viggo) point of view so he's the lead. The story revolved around him.
11:00 Colman won because she gave the best performance of the year, any category, any gender. Point blank period. It's a performance-based prize, not a career prize. Give Close the honorary Oscar if you want, but don't fuck a great performance for a career achievement.
Super excited that Olivia Colman and Rami Malek won the main categories. Disappointed Richard E. Grant and Amy Adams lost but at least we got a lovely speech from Regina King, didn't care much for Mr. Ali...Bohemian Rhapsody won 4 in the end. Which was brilliant. I have not seen Green Book, but I hear nothing but complains about it on other media form. I will miss your videos with the experts and critics, Tom O'Neil.
Completely agree !
Bohemian Rhapsody was brilliant??? Okay.
@@gauravw6947 I think they mean brilliant in the sense that the English use it when talking about something that makes them happy.
FYI, Irene Cara, Oscar Winner for Best Song “Flashdance... Oh What a Feeling” is Latina and not part of the Black Panther American women that won Oscars last night.
- Her Father is Puerto Rican and Mother is Cuban American.
- She was born in 1959, so I don’t know, if she identifies with the new PC term “Afro-Latina”
- Her nationality is Latina, her ancestor roots do not run through the Jim Crow South, but through the Caribbean. This is why there was an outcry from the Black American Experience, when Zoe Saldana was cast to portray the great NINA SIMONE. Her struggle was rooted in being from the segregated south.
Great insight, what a crazy year! Alot of good takeaways
it continues to be all about YOU and it is about the Oscars , I guess....
The Oscars were basically hosted by Alexa
I define this Oscars as bittersweet. Greatly exciting and deeply disappointing, simultaneously.
i think one reason behind what happened here is - while Olivia got all the europe member votes , the usa members votes got split between gaga and glenn , especially new younger members of usa may have gone for gaga , so the non europe vote split and olivia just beat glenn ,... while the other cause is imp -- Wife had single nomination and favourite 10 so maybe many people watched only one of them voted for olivia -this itself highlights a flaw , if in a major category like best actress, voters dont watch all 5 performances and still vote, think what happens in categories like documntry short? u must see all 5 nominees and then decide..otherwise the voting will be flawed .isnt it ?? ...i adore olivia, but i wanted glenn to win , to me this was the biggest upset of the year , not the best film..
glenn deserves much more than an honorary oscar...
im skeptikal about sunset boulevard = oscar win formula. . as floated by many , its not that simple.. first, it has to be made well,and the director is a rookie ( as a director ) ,, so we dnt know how the film will shape up... then how the competitions of that year will be...so many ifs and buts.. its tough for glenn to have so much momentum like this time.. god bless glenn , hope she gets her due.. ......i cant hate olivia , shes adorable ,so is olivias performance adorable absolutely.. but it would be better if somehow both won...
From the Mahershala Ali character's point of view???? Oh please...
Olivia Colman deserved it! Green Book.....no. The Academy went down the safe route, than to have Roma or The Favorite win.
I predicted Green Book to win and Olivia Colman to win best actress. I wanted Viggo for best actor and Richard E. Grant for best supporting actor. My best supporting actress pick is either Emma Stone or Rachel Weisz.
Oh wow! Good for you for calling the Olivia Colman win! What made you predict that?
@@jackmahanes4591 I've seen their movies and felt that Olivia Colman and Melissa McCarthy gave excellent performances and I think better than other nominees. And as awards season went by it seems Melissa McCarthy did not get enough traction on wins (although I think she deserves to win) but Colman did in winning Golden Globes and BAFTA. So I thought Olivia should have a strong chance of winning.
Iris 08 I think Colman and Gaga were the best in the category. McCarthy was great too, but I’d put her in 4th place. But I thought Glenn Close was winning since she won the Globe and the SAG, and her narrative was too strong to ignore. But I’m glad I was wrong and Olivia Colman won!
@@jackmahanes4591 The difference in performances is that in Can You Ever Forgive Me?, Melissa McCarthy is carrying the whole movie with her acting. I think she transformed into the character she's doing and I believe her. Olivia in my opinion is almost as strong in The Favourite but she is sharing the acting moments with Emma Stone and Rachel Weisz and all had their moments. I think A Star Is Born is carried by Bradley Cooper more than Lady Gaga. Glenn's performance in the The Wife is too subtle in my opinion.
I had 1-2 Colman/McCarthy, 3 - Lady Gaga, 4 - Glenn Close, 5 - Yalitza.
Tom, So right with your, 'winking devil' theory. I have quoted you on some other Oscar Post show vids.
Glenn looked ridiculous in that gold thing as if she were destined to win.
I got 20/24, and I'm 25th overall on Gold Derby.
my predictions were so horrible this year ugh... love the video!!
I got 16/24, but every single one I got wrong went to my 2nd place.
Was so close to changing Visual Effects, Film Editing, Costume Design and Original Screenplay as well
Daniel, 1 actor, foreign film -never won before, no major studio would greenlight. Lighten up! Ever hear of creative licence? Viewers loved it, a retro crowd pleaser.
The favourite should have won screenplay
I got 20/24 so hell yes. I’m pissed I switched Visual Effects, Score, and Live Action short yesterday, but I’ll take missing 4 in a year w so many valid contenders
Nice to travel another awards season road with y'all.See ya next year...Once Upon a Time in Hollywood ftw!
though i really love Olivia as well , but truly sayig Glenn losing once more was really heartbreaking. that was the worst moment to me. best would have been if oliviawas nominated as supporting actress ,as her role was not a clear leading role , and ultimately both of them won... Glenn is 71 , and highly unlikely she will ever win again ... when i see likes of Gyneth paltrow , Emma ( shes good but for lala land? ) are winners and glenn not its hearbreaking ... by the way i loved greenbook and no issues with the film winning ... roma got 3 biggies anyways .. and one significant thing -- foreign language films had really good representation across categories , other than roma , even cold war and never look away also got multiple nominations..this is a great change i feel.. that as many as 3 foreign language films getting multiple nominations in same year..aint it ?
n the WIFE Movie She already won at Golden globes, Saga, Critic choice, Independent spirit awards, Satellite awards, Hollywood film award, Palm spring international award, San diego film critic society award, , AARP movies for grown ups. Capri Hollywood awards, women film critic circle awards.Women image network awards. I think that's all a great blessing for her career this year. She said losing or winning at the Oscar will not change anything, she added also , that she will continue to do a movie project or tv, as well as doing some stage play in New York. She has a foundation she served it already.. She always been invited to be a spoke person in any other charities foundation I the US. If the OSCAR or BAFTA doesn't really recognized her performance , I think it doesn't ruin her career at all.. The more , she gonna continue her passion in the film industry. Do you think she always been used by the Academy to fill up the empty space?
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I agree with u 💯 Tom that I loved the staging of the Shallow performance by Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga. They absolutely nailed the hell out of it
I only missed 2 categories
Actress and visual effects
But I’m thinking Green Book got the most 4th place votes. So wrong is the preferential ballot
Same here. Put in Glenn and Avengers?
Tom you and your experts are not that good if you will pick 90% of favorites expecialy in tech and Best picture categories that over the years you and your "experts" miss. This year Green Book was not a shock win, the shock was maybe Moonlight over the La La Land but in past couple of years the favorite movie can't get 50+1 vote so the 2 Best movie win! And Pete Hammond is the Best expert at picking.
Whatever mahn...I have yet to see anyone at home think anything but good things about Sam Jackson being the one to give Spike his FIRST Oscar...seeing as Spike gave Sam his first big role in Jugle Fever! Smh...
Will anybody say the obvious?! Preferential ballot is a disastrous method of selecting best picture. You don't want the most consistently voted '2nd best picture' or '3rd best picture' to win best picture, that's the same as saying "I'd be okay with this movie winning best picture" rather than "I strongly want this movie to win best picture as I believe in it". Just because you have 8 or 9 movies competing in a year, doesn't mean you need to have a system where all these movies feel 'relevant', I mean most of the makers and producers of these movies know, they don't have a shot in hell to win best picture. The system essentially elevates mediocrity. Stay with the system and you'll keep getting uninspiring 'best picture' wins like Shape Of Water and Green Book. 😒
Anuj Pramanik I would agree that the preferential ballot is worse...but the Oscars have historically made bad choices BEFORE the preferential ballot as well, just not to the degree of the preferential ballots year after year, after year...
@@NickDiasOuttaMyLeague It just doesn't make sense to me. This is not a beauty pageant, where you need to announce the 1st and 2nd runner up based on the points/votes they have accrued over the duration of the contest. Academy members need to grow a spine and vote for their one definite best picture nominee, I mean isn't that the definition of best picture? Can you imagine if the same rule was applied to acting or other below the line awards, it would be disastrous also needlessly time consuming, so why best picture?
@@anujpramanik1819 Preach! Preach it! To me it doesnt make since because it cuts out the divisive movies and guarantees the safe ones a chance to win...But the divisive movies (The Social Network, Brokeback Mountain, Taxi Drive, Citizen Kane, Dr. Strangelove, Raging Bull, Any Hitchcock film) are the ones that get remembered years later after losing Best Picture
I like a host, the show could run way shorter if it would be just 5 films nominated and no presentations of the films throughout the show, speeches cut to a minute. Documentary and shorts could be given before show airs.
I got 20/24 this year. I won the office pool. Woo hoo!
What did you get wrong?
@@da96103 Best picture, best actress, best costume and best original screenplay.
@@jscho8674 Except for best picture, it seems that the other three are all related to The Favourite. :-)
For crying out loud, Olivia Colman was the “supporting” actress. Fox Searchlight gamed the system and didn’t want to have 2 actresses (Stone and Weisz, 2 leads) split best actress votes so they switched categories. Colman has the more showy, grotesque performance and that’s what the Academy likes. Close will never get an Oscar now. Tom O’Neil, thanks for your coverage of the Oscar season, you’re the best!
"Close will never get an Oscar now" - yes, she's in her 70s, but she looks amazing and hasn't suddenly forgotten how to act! Lifetime achievement award is guaranteed anyway, but I think there's plenty more life in her career and (given her indecent level of talent) I'd be genuinely surprised if she's never nominated for another role.
I was so despair, I thought she gonna win. We been waiting this for so long. I hope she wont end up only for Oscar honorary life achievement award that same thing happened to Deborah kerr and lauren bacall. im so fraustrated, I felt bad for her.. She won at Golden globes, Saga, Critic choice, Independent spirit awards, satellite awards ,Hollywood film award, Palm sring international award, San diego film critic society award, ,AARP movies for grown ups. Capri Hollywood awrds. women film critic circle awards.women image network awards. I would say she is still bless on this awards than nothing at all. She said at her at age winning first Oscar for her is a big deal. added into it that losing and winning an Oscar , Her life would still the same. As she will continue her journey making films or stage play.
DRIVING MISS DAISY PART 2 won...
It's so curious that only the white guys go to support Green Book, it's the only guys that don't see troubles with that big shit movie.
Gwyneth Paltrow sulked when TRT lost Best Original Screenplay.
oscarlover100 what r u talking about
I got 14 out of 24
mine was 19 out 24
I got 23/24. I got wrong best actor
You got all the hard ones and lost the easy one
@@99pedropotter same
Why bet against Rami Malek? He won the Globe, SAG, and BAFTA. And only Russell Crowe lost the Oscar after winning those three awards, and that was because he sabotaged his chances by assaulting the person backstage who cut his BAFTA speech short.
15/24 😒
Olivia should have won supporting...
Just because you have bad taste in film O'Neil, doesn't meant that I'm an internet troll simply because I don't share your overrated opinion of a really trite film.
Like seriously why the hell does the academy have to nominate or award every single role about a British monarch!? Olivia Colman, cate blanchett, Judi dench, Colin firth, Helena bonhan carter, Helen mirren, etc. can't you just vary it a little bit!?
Well Naomi Watts as Diana was not nominated, so.... not every.
@@da96103 And that movie Diana was awful!
I'm not surprise Green Book won. It's a nice feel good movie for white guys and liberals. Roma is already transcending, The Favorite and Bohemian Rhapsody are also better movies. Green Book was okay but very forgettable.
Are you guys all high? The ceremony was awful!