Sonax CutMax vs Griots FCC vs 3D ACA 500 Compound Testing & Results!
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ACA 500 is the best. When i pick up a heavy cutting compound, im always going to do a finishing stage with a finishing polish and soft pad. I want maximum cut and the least defects left behind. I dont care about the finish at this stage, its all about getting the most defects out.
While I know this video isn’t 2021-new, I can’t say enough how useful and informative this review is. This hobby/profession’s expenses and effort are not trivial, and that’s what makes this video so powerful.
I can’t think of ANY other CZcams channel that combines expertise, production, and entertainment so well when it comes to product reviews. Joy to watch.
Same experience i had with FCC Sandro. Perfect compound for relatively damaged paintwork. Thank you for this review Sir. Cheers
Outstanding test!! Love how you put each compound to the test in every circumstance possible. Liked & subscribed and waiting to learn much more with you!
Been using FCC for a year now and I concur with your results.
I truly love your reviews! Thanks for putting this together for us!
Speechless.
Life would be so much worse without videos like this one.
Ty vm
Thanks for all your videos throughout the year Sandro. Great content in every one of them. Merry Christmas to you and your love ones 🎄🎄🎄🎄
i used a Rotary with wool pad with FCC, and then rotary with finishing pad with griots perfecting cream, ease of use, and great finish. love your video!
Great videos and easily can tell being an artist when it comes to correction. Learning a lot and hope to take these learning tools when it comes to corrections in my future
I'm not surprised about the Griot's and Sonax the 3d was my focus since you mentioned the ability to remove 1200 sanding marks.I'm glad it did what it was designed to do the need for a second stage isn't too bad to wrap up the finish due to the intensity of the compound thanks again
Spot on review! Cut max is known for its flexibility and consistency across many different paint types, and that's why I love it. Also, I know this is a late comment, sonax just released 6+compound. Should be a level up in cutting ability when you really need an aggressive compound
Man you made me happy I just got one today
Excellent as always.
I just finished using the 3d aca and came to the same conclusion. I did use another new compound, for me, Koch-chemie is fairly new in the US but it’s my new favorite! Working time seems endless and no dust even it 85 degree weather.
Another great video congratulations
I know years later but I tend to use the 3D for more Rotary work then DA as its main purpose is to level sice your gonna have to do a step or two either way. Sonax on the other hand has a longer work time in my experience but doesnt fully impress me on the finish. Griots on the other hand is spot on to what you described. Two product I like to see is Koch Chemie and Oberk. Fantastic video with all the diffrent methods
Great vid Sandro mate, hope you and yours have a merry Christmas and a happy new year 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
Another great video buddy,
It’s nice to see that Griots FCC can still keep up with new products 👍🤘🤙
hey I realize I'm late to the party but what do you mean still can keep up this is a fairly new compound like 2 years old correct??
deepsquat600 it’s been out for about five years now, there’s been some new stuff since, but the boss system is still better than most.
@@deepsquat600 - Consumerism is a funny phenomenon. It plays on the perception that just because something has been out for a while that anything new is automatically "better".
Familiarity and technique with a good product will probably yield better results than endlessly chasing the "latest and greatest".
I've never tried the Griot's product, but I'm certain that the guys that use it day in and day out k ow how to extract every last ounce of performance from it.
@@danlc95 Yeah I used the grills boss system on my mom's Kia and it was the first full end to end buffing I had done that turned out fantastic It was absolutely amazing in fact 2 years later it still looks like I just did it it's garage kept in my mom's 87 years old so it's not like she puts on tens of thousands of miles during the pandemic 🙃
Nicely done with the inconsistent hand sanding technique!
Great video! Thank you! :)
Hi from Canada. Fantastic video, a lot of very good information. I already have Griot fast correcting cream and I was going to order Sonax cut max this morning and after looking at your video I decided not to purchase Sonax. Thank you for the excellent video and keep making some more. I just subscribe to your chanel. You are a very good teacher.
hey question im from montreal and are you satisfied?? with griots?
_3D results are the best I have ever seen!_
Also like 3D, but Sonax Cutmax is outstanding on some instances.
just try sonax ultimatecut
@@garcia5986 I have, and still prefer ACA500.
I have tried Cutmax as well and still dont get tge results i get with 3D ACA500 with a Rupes coarse wool pad, followed by 3D ACA520 with a foam Shine Mate Black Diamond medium polishing pad. Especially on a black or dark blue vehicle.
@@user-un5my5bw4j- I finally tried the ACA500 on those Rupes Coarse Blue Wool pads and was blown away. I've been using the LA HDO MF Cutting, or Buff and Shine Uro-Fiber (I find the Uro-Fiber to cut harder of the two) with great results, but those Rupes wool coarse pads blew me away.
It's like they were made to gp together.
I stumbled upon the combo when I had trouble removing sanding marks from painted plastics. With the microfiber pads combined with 3D ONE / ACA500, it did absolutely nothing. Switched to an Adam's Wool pad and it was a night and day difference. So I purchased the Rupes pads and after some testing, they are my new go-to for extreme cutting. I'll probably use them with 3D ONE for basic cutting, but when I need the big guns, I'll pair them with the ACA500.
Great combo.
Very useful review and comparison of these three compounds. I also like to use FCC with the Rupes wool pads on soft/medium clear coats. Would be very interested to see you test the Griots FCC with the Griots BOSS foam cutting pads using 15-mm or 21-mm DA polisher? I find the Griots BOSS Foam pads last a long time when cleaned with their Microfiber & Foam Pad Cleaner. It really gets the pads clean.
This was supper!! I would love for to try the shine supply arsenal
Nice video Sandro. Love the time and effort put in to this one. How would you rate the cut ability and finish of Carpro's ClearCut compared to these?
Great vid Sandro! Did you get any samples of Megs 110 & 210?
Excellent
I believe that the blue foam was purchased from my french pad manufacturer.I have hundreds of theirs and foam is fractionally less aggressive so lake country probably had them tweak the foam formulation a tad to be more aggressive.
Useful and informative as always Sandro...I completely agree with your results but after many hours of experiencing German compounds these are my thoughts in general:(correct me if i am wrong 🙄)
1.German compounds love ROTARY.(I think German engineers keep rotary action in mind all the time when making these compounds)
2.German compounds love WOOL.
3.German compounds are not meant to be used as one stage correction,they always need to be proceeded with finishing polish.
In future try Koch Chemie H8o2 if you have time.I would be very glad to hear your experience about that one.
Totally agree about the German compounds being designed about around a rotary. They will still work with a DA, but they were not designed for them. Best bet with DA polishes would be to go with Rupes or Griot's BOSS polishes, as they were based on using a DA.
Awesome insights. I’m on the fence now about whether to purchase ACA510/520, or the Koch Chemie equivalent combination. Can you provide any thoughts comparing both? I’m a big fan of 3D’s products, but have no experience with the latter. Thanks.
Hi guys , im using 3d aca 500 about 10 month , from the minute the company released it .
Idid hundreds of car and i can say that this compound is a monster and by far better anything i triyed ( the only one is close is the carpro clearcut ) . but !!
The aca 500 is for very hard clears and to use with wool pad and rotory for best performance .
The second is with rupes and microfiber ( megs ) or ( wool pad 3d ) .
It works great with the Buff and Shine Uro-Fiber, as well as the original blue Rupes Microfiber pads.
Is the micro-marring in the finish with the Sonax just a result of a more aggressive compound? I don't usual expect to finish on a compound, though it's neat to see what a some of these actually finish out to. I'm thinking perhaps they just give up cutting aggression in exchange for a better finish.
Which compound do you recommend?
Also what AIO?
Which light you use in the roof ? Scangrip?
Can you do excut 05-05 or cut and finish
Seems like Sonax Cut&Finish would be alot better here, Cutmax sure does cut alot and it doesn't dust, for a one step though, I was blown away by Cut&Finish
That's a great product for sure. Definitely a staple in the arsenal.
Guys gotta start including Oberk in these comparisons.
My favorite ACA 500 FROM 3D. I tried Cut Max, good but too difficult to wipe off.
I dont like Cutmax either.. sticky
Ok so what's your to go compound on a 21mm throw? Can You test optimum hyper twins along with intensive Polish?
I use Cutmax with my 21mm, fantastic results.
Is a place in south melbourne sell the 3d aca.it is designed as 2 step.be keen to see how well the 2 3d steps work together for the over all finish
The ACA520 is a highly concentrated polish. A little spreads far. Very fast action, with extreme gloss. Currently my favorite finishing polish.
Griots FCC is what I use in the states it was made by a top polish guy in states can’t remember which one Kevin brown maybe?
I love 3D too though Sandro you need to try 3D “One”
FCC cuts better, finishes better, and is easier to wipe off than 3D One.....in my opinion. 3D does have excellent lubrication. Very oily, though.
@@c6z061 - 3D One seems more of a "medium" than a heavy cut though.
ONE is also strange in that some times it wipes super easily off the paint, and others it's a P.I.T.A. to remove..
so griots fcc is good for a single stage job and the others good for 2 stage due to the finsh.
THANK YOU, SANDRO!! What a fantastic video!!! Do you feel TLC works better with MF pads compared to these? How about Jescar?
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing as far as finish, generally speaking, are you able to say if Griot's or Jescar cuts and/or finishes better?
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing which has more cut, LC low lint wool pads or LC HDO MF cutting pad?
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing Hi Sandro, how would you compare the cut and finish of FCC and Concours Precision?
Wish we saw the score sheet!
can you elaborate on what exactly you are using to remove the polish residue? good video
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing maybe today you should step up the game because we already know those cleaners does not remove ALL polishing oils from the surface so what you were looking for on those panels are not real....some of these compounds have more ingredients thar mask the real result looking shiner makes you think the finish better were they dont!!
What speed do you use when sanding with a da? Or forced rotation?
Car Craft Auto Detailing thanks!
Thanks for this! How does TLC rank to GFCC in terms of cut & finish?
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing thank you. Is TLC in the same league as far as cut to ACA 500 and Cutmax?
Holy smokes are they all scan grips in your shop. That’s a lot of hard work to pay for those. Did u hit a buy one get one free? How many dozen do you have in there!!! scan grips in the other room too!!!
Sonax never finish well but is an amazing compound for trash clearcoat.
I find the Griot’s BOSS items very easy to use. It’s a great system. Great results, long working time when needed, little or no dusting, and easy pad cleanup. I’ve used products that were hard to clean up, like I had Elmer’s glue in my pad and it wasn’t fun.
The one time I was having trouble getting results with FCC I just had to step up to the MF cutting pad and it worked great.
What pad you used before switching to MF?
Carlos Rivera The Griot Fast Correcting pad.
@@meiowalot7570 I just bought fcc and a white pad from griots what kind of issues will I run with my g9?
Hi Sandro , Is Sonax Perfect Finish is non diminishing abrasive type of polish ?
I’m actually not sure mate, my experience with it is limited.
From what I understand, it has both diminishing and non diminishing abrasives in it.
FCC for the win!!!
What is the thing your using to clean the pads in that bucket?
It’s just compressed air with an air blower gun
Sandro did you try Griots FCC with Griots Boss white correction pad ?
I have tried it and the result unbelievable , I have tried another pads with FCC but Griots pad it gives best cutting level , maybe because the griots Boss pad very thin and flat which gives more cutting ability, but I’m little worry when I will use this combo in soft paint I feel very aggressive .
Sandro you must have a very interesting CD collection at your place. Some of the music was nothing I have heard before. Definitely not Slim Dusty!!!!!! I guess what I conclude is if CUT is your goal 3D ACA is your baby. Funny on the 3D youtube channel they seemed to get a pretty glossy finish Albeit those holograms they had to use ACA520 to remove. Are these the most aggressive compounds you have tried?? I know you used AAT501 with wool to cut that crazy hard clear. Trouble is these three you cannot get anyway unless this has changed. Griots look's the goods. But given you cannot get them except for AAT501 what would be weapons of choice if CUT was it????? Scholls liquid sandpaper you once mentioned. Again you show how many possible combinations there are out there. Maybe some Billy Ray Cyrus next time!!!!!LOL.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing revisiting this video after watching the Porsche vid. Hold up. Did you say you prefer TLC as your heavy cutter?
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing Thank you, sir
That gloss the 520 left convinced me to pick some up. And yep, it delivers! Absolutely love it.
what are you blowing out the pad with? part#? thanks
www.waxit.com.au/products/tornador-basic?ref=1NNwBEgP4yO4AX
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing thanks for the reply, are you using it without the plastic snorkel?
I had to get through the video to see which one I used there - this is something similar: amzn.to/3lal1LR
The previous link is what I now use
In keeping with the US favored products, next test would be to put the griots up against jescar correcting compound
Mail him some of each product.
Do any of these have fillers in them great job
Depends if you count silicone as a filler
@@PeteyMcSavage - Aren't all of these body shop safe?
Hey Sandro! Sonax Perfect Finish is better all around then Sonax Cutmax...My opinion. :)
Car Craft Auto Detailing Lol...Just like NV isn’t local here! 😭
The Boss creams are all very good. Even here in Canada we can’t get a lot of stuff due to chemical bans. It’s frustrating!
fuck I live in montreal im so fkg frustrated stupid chemical bans
Jonathan Garcia yep a constant struggle to find stuff readily available in the US.
@@kevincampbell8298 i try with carzila.ca
Jonathan Garcia yes I get stuff from there as well as eshine.ca and others in Ontario
@@kevincampbell8298 so do you try compound griots? and do you like?
You do understand the sonomax and 3D your testing are not finishing compounds right? Ofcoarse Griots is going to show a cleaner finish and wipe off easier, afterall it doesn't have near as aggressive abrasives in it as the two other step one compounds
Sandro do you offer detailing courses and what is the cost?
Awesome mate.
I have polished my car with a da polisher and have a decent understanding of paint correction from watching all of your videos this year.
I would come to melbourne probably for 1 course only, if it was Sydney id attend all of them.
Would the advanced paint correction course be too much for me?
Or maybe bettee the paint correction + coatings?
Thanks mate, basically exactly what that course offers, paint correction and also the coatings. Will try to make it to a course first half of next year. thanks. Wish you were in Sydney. @@CarCraftAutoDetailing
Sorry mate bit off topic but have you had issues with opening the 1 litre black bottles of the Car Pro Inside?
I bought 2 bottles recently and tried opening it today and its impossible. The instructions say push down and twist but I haven't managed to, and I have a good grip. @@CarCraftAutoDetailing
well if you ever want to get hold of the griot it's just email me I live a couple of miles away from the shop I'm certainly willing to send it to you if your PayPal me some money then again I think you live a long ways away and that shipping fee is going to be a killer
3D is good stuff, I love griots products as well.. have you tried any wizards products? It takes some super super bad scratches out. Price is great and product is even better 💪
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3D ACA 500 is always a champ for correction, may not be the best finsihser. Howerver it is not for use as a s single stage so its finsihsing coapabilites doesn't count much for me.
Griots fcc is finer then all other testedZZZ hence why it doesn't remover as much defects
Here in Europe ACA costs an eye and a leg , thank's to import taxes 💔
Unfortunatelly only sonax avaliable on Europe
marios kosmidhs Sonax Cutmax is an excellent compound.
Usa also
@@VictorHernandez-nt3tw Yes, we have USA distributor, most products are here.
Cut max is diminishing abrasive technology you need work more with him. Sonax invented LD technology
GREE-OHS, not gree-otts.
i cant udenderstand why use the same aplication process if you are using diferents compounds,maybe on some you are using too much and over lubricate the pad there your faulty result or you are using too little and again,do a pass that can not be measure correctly,i think every one of them should receive the recomend quantity of aplication and please,dont put those products on the middle of the pad if you are using a random orbital polisher!!!!
The problem is that you are the only one that believes GRIOTS is better than the SONAX. Pretty funny. I try the GRIOTS and I didn’t like it at all. First GRIOTS is too liquid and leave deep holograms.