Best Car Paint Cutting Compound | Sonax Cutmax vs Koch Chemie H9 vs The Last Cut Plus
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One of the best and most comprehensive tutorials I've seen on cutting compounds. Thanks Sandro 👍🇨🇦
I love and hate how unbiased you are. I love that you don’t sell out to one brand but I hate that I don’t know what you prefer in the end. Still my absoulte favourite detailing youtuber since years back.
Reason being is you can't just go with 1 product and pad for said car make and color, Technology is you guys best friend that started detailing the last 10 years and in the other hand US guys that has been detailing 30+ yrs appreciate what these companies has to offer. Because way back there was only 1 option for compound and 1 wool pad and 1 foam pad not the vast selection you guys have now
With your advice I bought the shitemate, the best machine in terms of cutting. I also bought the last cut plus for me they are one of the best combot. For my work I use the last cut plus and rupes uno a lot (it's for resale) I only change the types of pad and that's it thank you for all from Canada Montreal
Merhaba 2020 model toyota corolla aracım var, beyaz renk, kılcal çiçekleri var, ben kendi imkanlarım ile temizlemek istiyorum, Rupes Uno ile başlamayı düşünüyorum nasıl bir pet kullanmalıyım?
The last cut + has become my "go to" compound/polish. Jace Price has really created an awesome product!
Agreed!
I find myself going to it consistently. It’s such a good product.
I work in car resale and I use 99% of the last cut plus with rupes uno protect the result is just incredible
Another excellent product comparison. Thank you for making these, they are a pleasure to watch and extremely useful.
I’ve used the H9 in the past and I really liked how you can breeze through a whole car with a two step correction in no time.
Love this comparisons. Thanks Sandro
Hi Sandro,
Although it’s common to use pads from a different brand of the compound, I’m of the opinion that one should try the ones developed for that compound.
It’s always a pleasure to watch your videos.
In my particular enviroment the best one is H9. Cuts fast and finishes near perfect.
I like how you used open and closed cell pads in this video as that means a lot for compounds that dust. A lot of detailers miss that point and often judge a compound a little ignorantly but not using both open and closed cell pads. Thanks good video.
Great man this is the first time I see u use a koch chemi product as far as I can remember. You really need to review more of their stuff like their degreaser APC and snow foams
I ended up buying tlc+ after watching these videos and commenting and you responding it was a great all around product, I haven't used it much yet but from what I've seen it is sooo much better then the maguires I got in a pinch at a store, wayyy less dusting cuts more, and I wanna say even finishes better then the dedicated polish, I would 100% recommend tlc+
Great to hear you’re enjoying it, thanks for sharing that!
Another great one. I really need to spend more time with TLC.
Awesome review. 👏 Been using Sonax for years.
Would have love to see Pheonix EOD Papa Cut in your next review. 👍
H902 is much much better than H901 and it is my go to compound. I do like TLC+ too, never used Sonax.
Agreed with KC, I hate it! Especially out here in South Africa where its always hot and humid. Dusts like crazy no matter what I do. Their Finishing polish is amazing though. Megs 110 and 3D 510 are amazing though, should definitely give them a try.
That’s interesting. I always thought KC compounds and polishes don’t have excessive dusting but I’m saying that coming from Menzerna's lineup which dust quite a bit more.
Maybe it’s the different climates as well since I’m from Germany.
KC is overrated anyways.
I tried it, and it seemed like a copy of Menzerna, which I like, but doesn't warrant the popularity. Just goes to show how much marketing does to promote something.
However, I also like the Megs M110, and 3D ACA500. Neither of those two get any recognition from the more popular CZcams channels, and that's ok for me.
It's a good lesson in that one really needs to try these products for themselves.
Sonax Cutmax 6/4 is amazing.
All I use before adding a wax.
2-step is all that's generally needed, after claying of course..
Great video - one bit of feedback I can offer having used Cutmax for years is that is has a tendency to resist panel wipes for true correction level. I will never use it if a car is booked in for ceramic coatings as it can't be trusted IMO
Currently at the end of a bottle rupes da course. Deciding if I should stick with it, or try one of these 🤔
I did find using Buff and Shine UroTech foam pads one way of dealing with the Sonax products filling the polishing pads , it's not a perfect solution but they are easier to blow out and maintain than Lake Country pads with Sonax.
Great tip. Thank you
Best cutting compound should be included farecla g360 on the test.. my experience its really a fast cutting compare to other top notch brand..
I think your opinion on these 3 are spot on with my approach and feelings towards the 3 when I'm using them for paint correction. It's mainly the 3 I always pick besides Ultra cut by Carpro and Resurrection by AngelWax! Now I'd definitely say those 2 cuts almost Identically the same if not a hair better than the other.
@dattniggaoreog1185 which u like better
@@Uknownkozzy it's a toss up between Cutmax and the last cut sometimes I use both on a pad, and I generally use microfiber and wool Pad's and finish with foam blue or orange HDO from lake country
@@dattniggaoreog1185 why would u use both on pad for
@@dattniggaoreog1185 huh
@@dattniggaoreog1185 what 2 u say was similar
According to my country's Koch Chemie importer H9.02 has a greater level of gloss to make the final step (Ideally with the company's own M3.02) a bit easier. Although I've yet to see any reviews on the upgrade, you would think after 3 years since the addition of H9.01 they've had more feedback on the topic of lubrication.
Menzerna heavy cut is what I use. It's horrible to work with in every way but I can't find anything that finishes better and needs no follow-up.
Check out Jescar.
I'm gonna stay with M110 and knitted short wool pad.
It's also really nice with the Buff and Shine Uro-Fiber pads.
I'd love to see cut max vs griots fast correcting cream!
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Loved the review i have used sonax cut max and it does lack cut but it is good to use as 2 stage approach Not used h9 but i have used Koch Chemie h8 It did cut better and finish down better than cut max Never used the last cut so cant comment I enjoyed using both compounds Right now i am still learning how to use Carpro Ultracut so far its more of a 2 stage but need to use it more Time will tell Keep the great videos coming Sandro IN Sandro WE Trust
Thanks mate and thanks for sharing your own experiences with these compounds.
Try them with Microfiber Pad's and Rupes blue wool pad, But a best In-between candidate will be Lake Country Blue HDO Foam Pad! But you're definitely missing out on the last cut+ order you a bottle and also get a bottle of the last cut as well. 2 really great compounds designed by a detailer because the normal cutting compounds dry up to fast for him as he works in hotter Arizona climates than most of us.
Dusting can be controlled with a tiny drop of parrafin oil every now and then, a game changer. or a little nanolex optimizer with thicker compounds. Or even just a dampened pad. A compound should have the filming/lubrication of a polish not so dry as if a compound won't film well and keep wool/mf fibres moist and the surface lubed, the abrasives can't cut. Koch chemie is efficient cutting but somewhat too dry for my liking. H9 is good but I love using a mix of H9 and F6 at 70/30 or 80/20, not saying it's perfect but it's much better. After testing 150 brands of products, it takes alot for any new paint correction liquids to impress me. Compound formulations are improving but still need to get better. Fully moving away from pastes and going to true liquids with no naphtha, kero and other low quality ingredients is where they need to go. Sandro, Your videos are fantastic even for this thirty year detailing veteran who has used alot of products and seen alot of change, from the rotary days to the early long throw days of 2007/08 and more. . Your thoughts on koch H9 and lubrication issues are spot on.
I use some kerosene to menzerna 300/400 compounds and it really helps to polish longer with less dusting. In some clear coats cut levels are slightly reduced but the gloss level is insanely high. But in some cases it really cuts very well
@@Topcoatdetail yes it works
@@Topcoatdetail how much of kerosene would I have to place on a 32 oz of 300 menzerna? Thanks in advance!
@@Themediaplxg Don't mix kerosene with polish. Just one spray is enough per panel. If more kerosene is added it will splatter everywhere. Do share your experience.
I can understand the concept of a non diminishing abrasives being designed to be more of a short cycle product. Like Megs M105. Horribly dusty if worked too long or in the wrong environment. I've had it dust away before I could even finish my section. But when this happens to a non diminishing abrasive... then what's the point? You would think a better lubrication system would be necessary for such an abrasive load, to ensure they particles were sufficiently cycled.
A dream scenario is a non diminishing abrasive compound with the lubricant similar to a polish.
This is what led me to 3D ONE and ACA500. I've been very happy with those two cutters. I also really like Meguiar's M110, but it doesn't have the staying power of ACA500. The 3D might cut a touch more as well.
I also use Optimum Intensive Polish and Hype4 Compound. They also resist dusting, but they tend to finish with a lot of marring, especially with their orange waffle foam pads. I'm not a big fan of those foams. They never seem to cut or finish well. I don't get the popularity. I switched to a green Buff and Shine 60ppi pad and got much better cut and a better finish. I don't like spraying polish into the center hole of the Optimum Hyper Wool pads, so I bought some of the Lake Country purple foamed wool pads. Still need to try them, but they work great with 3D ONE so far.
Love your work and reviews... Try some feynlab a50 I would love to hear your thoughts on it as I have been pretty impressed with it.
I share the same thoughts on the Cutmax and the H9 (havent tried the last cut but heard good things about it, will try it soon), The first year of Koch Chemie their products were a step above and or comparable with the best products out there but this year ? not sure what happened but their products are not as strong or they don't have that bite that they used to especially the H9 which ive noticed. Before were on the H9 for compounding its our go to product but this year i started leaning towards the cutmax and (also went back to chemical guys V36) as well as my guys i asked them why and they said the product change it doesnt work or as effective as it used to and started dusting, just like in this video Sandro. Something or somewhere along the way Koch Chemie kindly got watered down.
Please review sonax ceramic spray coating
Great content!
I am not if you tried Griots Fast Correcting Cream but this is my current go to for severe paint correction scenerio. It has very long working time and finishes pretty well (sometimes not needing a finishing polishes).
Doesn't have the same cut level as the 3, I have Fast correction cream and barley use it for HEAVY cutting but when I'm doing single stages or something that cuts rather quick this is what I use or reach for
Its amazing and yes Sandro has done a vid of this a while back, good stuff to be fair, altho I would give both Car Pro Ultracut or Megs 110 a try if you like it
Yes I did review Griots FCC and did like it, but it would probably be more off a one step or medium compound.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing My Opinions are the same about this product, and most of the things you say or use in real world everyday situations. I love doing paint corrections, I do them every single day and without a day off. I love detailing cars and have been since 1999' back when Detailing car's wasn't the coolest thing to do and we didn't have the internet for referencing. Happy Detailing Everyone!!!
Beautifully done Sandro! Hard to beat Jace’s products, some of my personal favorites.
Generally speaking, do you find TLC+ to cut more on wool or microfiber? I am a fan of both but I tend to enjoy microfiber more, I noticed you mentioned in the video it may even have more cut on microfiber vs wool but I wasn’t sure if I caught that correctly!
Thanks Jordan and I think it comes down to the specific pad, machine & technique. Overall on DA’s, MF does in general cut more, however there are exceptions like the Lake County LL SDO wool pads that cut unbelievable well, even more so that most MF pads, but they do run a little rough on DA’s, so it not the nicest experience, but the cut is exceptional.
Rotary’s and MF pads don’t play well, but the ability to tilt wool pads and add more pressure and use much faster RPMs allows you to cut in a way that’s just not possible on a DA, even through MF may be generally a more efficient cutter and even through you may start to encounter over heating and paint swelling issues it you go too far. Maybe not the simple answer you where after but I think all the specifics matter a lot.
I've only used The Last Cut , not the TLC+ and can only imagine how good it would be. Regular TLC is great so if this cuts more with the same finishing ability, that is awesome.
Have you reviewed Oberk Supreme Cut? It is my go to for medium/hard clear even as a 1 step.
No I haven’t had the change to try it, but sounds like it was a winner for you.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing is this the correct order for best 1 .last cut plus 2. Sonax cut max 3. Koch h9
Which one best out the 3 ?
Hay Sandro a little off topic but can you do a little video on the water filter system that you have at your house,
Pros/cons on owning can you run it with a pressure washer etc, cheers mate!
Yes I’m planning on reviewing my DI water system it’s on my list!
Hello. You should try 3D and Ewocar polish ;)
He's done a video with 3D ACA500 vs Sonax Cutmax vs Griot's Fast Correcting Cream.
Great video Sandro!! I've been looking at this Shine Mate brand polishers for a while. Do you recommend them? Cordless?
Thanks and the Shine Mates are great I’ve got reviews on the cordless one and the new powerful 620 range, definitely worth a look.
Hi Sandro, thanks for the amazing video. I want to buy TLC+ but not available in France. So its double the price with shipping...
Would you still recommend it to me even though its double the price compared to the other 2?
If not, would u recommend KC, Sonax or Scholl S0/ scholl 2cut?
thanks
No one compound is perfect or will change your world, so try and find something that’s easily available and reasonably priced. I didn’t mind both Cutmax & H9 and some others I like are Scholl S2 Black, Carpro Ultracut & Nv Precision.
hello dear sandro, what do you think about the sonax ultimate cut max 6+/3? Thank you
I haven’t used 6+/3 so I really can’t say.
great video as always. have you tried 3M products, I would love to see your thoughts on how 3M compare to these high tier products.
Thanks and yes I’ve used 3M products but more so in the past, so I’d really need to revisit them to make a fair comparison
Is that a Shinemate 21 or 15? How are you finding it? Have you tried the new Milwaukee Random Orbital polisher yet? Would be awesome to see how they stack up
I think it was the 21mm in that video and they’re great machines I use frequently. I haven’t tried any of the Milwaukee polishers yet but also curious to see how they perform.
Which 2 are similar too each other
The showdown I wanted to see 😎😎😎
Sad thing after H9 was publicized it was very difficult to find at a human price
Not missing out on much mate in my opinion. Hopefully H9 02 is different
@@huzaifavawda8383 H8.02 works amazing
@@dimmacommunication does it dust like crazy?
@@huzaifavawda8383 Nope, almost zero dust.
I've bought it after forensics detailing said it was amazing and it was.
Still is after 3 years open bottle.
@@dimmacommunication at least where I love, even with a fresh batch, I get tons of dusting with the H9 01. Maybe UK weather when stabilised and not 40 degrees, may be perfect for something like this.
@carcraftautodetailing I meant 1. Last cut plus 2. Koch 3. Sonax cut max is this the order for the compounds with all things considered ??
Hi. What cordless polisher did you use sir.
They were the Shine Mate polishers
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Great review Sandro! Slightly off topic question what paint thickness meter would you recommend in Australia? I have an el cheapo and notice its rather inconsistent looking for something under the $500 mark. Cheers
Thanks mate and I’ve been using the Waxit PTG for the last few years and it’s been really consistent and reliable
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing Awesome thanks mate will pull the trigger next time I do an order cheers!
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@@CarCraftAutoDetailing last cut plus cut better than cutmax with less haze right ??
@tyreicus yes
What is the best cutting compound to use with a rotary polisher
I don’t think there’s an answer to that question, it depends on a lot of things like the paint type, it’s defects, the pads and machine you use and how you like work to name a few. I can tell that personally like The Last Cut+, Scholl S2 Black, Carpro UltraCut as a few examples.
We know if we remove swirl mark/scratch the clear coat layer is eroded. Is there tips n trick to add or replace the clear coat layer or something like that? Because we must keep the panel no swirl mark and to do that we must maintenance the panel periodic
Just work with the least aggressive method. Using very light polished and light polishing pads removes very little clear coat.
What would use to cut oxidation on a RV?
You could really use any of these three compounds, perhaps TLC+ and Sonax would be more efficient if it’s a badly oxidised gel coat, also mated with a wool pad and rotary polisher.
What speed did you use for rotary and da ?
It was all speeds all varied during testing.
Which best compound in this best and fast cutting tell me sir ?
If all you’re concerned about is cut you use Meguiar’s M101, Menzerna FG300 or even Scholl S0, but be warned they aren’t nice to use and they are extremely time consuming to refine.
What's the best final finish polish
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Can koch chemie be used under direct sun?
It can like most compounds but isn’t going to be the nicest experience
Which one u like best out the 3 like what's yo go too and I heard u say in the video h901 cut better than sona then u said sonax cut better than h901 u got me confused🤦♂️🤦♂️
There are so many products and brands and it's confusing, I bought a black car, the paint itself is in pretty good condition but there are scratches, some are deep but most are quite small, I don't know which brand and which products to choose, A store near me has Meguiars, Turtle Wax, KochChemie,Sonax.... Many say they are excellent, but their products are confusing, They have many similar products with small changes, I don't know what to choose...
You don’t have to over think it. If it’s a reputable established brand known for producing good car paint compounds, chances are it’s going to work just fine regardless of which specific one you go for. The bigger impact is going to be you, in using it with a good method and technique which takes a little practice to get good at - just like everything else in life. Maybe the video below will be helpful:
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@@CarCraftAutoDetailing Thanks for the quick response! Your videos are excellent, I've seen a lot of them, and I'm very good with my hands, I just need to know "how" and "what to do" it's just sometimes confusing, I've been researching what to do for a few days, what are all the steps from start to finish...
Which compound have most cut out the 3 didn't heat when u say it ???
Hear
It wasn’t completely consistent, but as a whole TLC+ seemed to cut more overall.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing what wasn't consistent
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing huh ??
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