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Imagine if Thrawn was the main antagonist in New Star Wars Trilogy instead of the First Order!
🎯 Would that we could reverse the sun….but alas, we can only imagine.
Then there would have been only movie because he would easily win against the weak and incompetent New Republic and Resistance.
Yeah, they could even call the debut movie heir to the empire.... oh wait we already had that trilogy decades ago.
That would require competent writers
Imagine Thrawn as the emperor
Going to have to agree with the space smerf.
The deathstar was a waste of resources and time. That's not including the fact they could have made planet killer weapon on much smaller scales.
I mean in Legends they did. One was called the Sun Crusher and was classified as a fighter. It had special missiles that could cause a star to go supernova
Bruh, it was the 70’s. They did what they could. 🤣🤣🤣
I remember watching a vid where they did say that the Death Star weapon itself was actually a small portion of the battle station. They could hove built the thing on an asteroid. More stealthy, easier to staff, natural protection, and much, much cheaper.
A fleet of ships that could simply lower power level superlaser other ships on the other hand...
Just take Venators (Or a similar ship that would have that much room/space etc.) and make small superlasers like Anakin did - a whole fleet of those fuckers - but with dedicated lasers and gravity wells and cloaking devices and black hole generators.
Obviously you'd be adding more power, .6 hyperdrives (or just making .5s) and a LOT of turbolaser and point defense laser batteries... which you'd be able to power just fine, because you're not doing any ground landings. You have other ships for that.
Then watch anyone stupid enough to oppose you with capital ships utterly decimated.
And still have more than enough room on each one for 50+ TIE fighters.
The Death Star was more than just the weapon. It was a battle station. It had hangers big enough to park an imperial mark 2 battle ship where it could undergo refueling and provisioning and repairs in a protective environment conducive to rapid work. It would also be a major communication and control center for multiple fleets in the galaxy far from the capital. It was a safe and welcoming place for rest and recreation for imperial troops during long deployments and a hospital and long term care facility for the wounded.
The weapon was a bonus since having the Death Star show up in your system would create the fear that the emperor thought would keep restive systems in check since it could blow a regular planet to pieces with one shot.
But as always with despots, they counted on fear to do most of the work and looked at the little guys as not significant enough to worry about. A belief that was prevalent throughout the imperial hierarchy and was made manifest in all of their ships. All of which were designed for engagement with ships of the line in fleet engagements and which is why virtually every imperial ship destroyed, like the Death Stars 1 and 2, were destroyed by smaller ships and fighter bombers.
I've concluded that Thrawn is smarter and shrewder than everyone else. He doesn't do anything without thinking three moves ahead.
Then again, he is stabbed by his bodyguard because he takes his loyalty (earned through deception) for granted. Once the Noghri found out what the Empire did to their planet, Rukh took Thrawn out.
As you should. Lack of foresight is setting yourself up for failure
Thrawn is versed in almost all culture's artistry, and draws a parallel to what and how an adversary's military strategy would be like. He learns too late, simply because he doesn't see them as adversaries, that the only artistry the Noghri possess is their prowess at assassination.
The Death Star was ultimately the biggest, flashiest vanity project for Sideous. He wanted a weapon so powerful to demoralize any rebellion but simultaneously show off the empires fortune, and might. As Luke said in Return of the Jedi, "you're overconfidence is your weakness".
This also caused people across the galaxy to go rebellion against the Empire especially Alderaanian. All thanks to Grand Moff Tarkin who allowed Rebel Alliance to gain power and strength
It should also be mentioned in legends, Vader and Thrawn both saw it as a waste of resources and time. They in this regard were very like minded, preferring more capital ships and better star fighters. Vader also saw the Death Star as insignificant compared to the Force, and said as much in the original film. In legends, he even smiled after the Death Star was destroyed, because although his master would punish him severely, he was ultimately proven correct.
Thrawn as you said put the empire and his people above himself. In legends he knew the Yuzhazn Vong were coming with gigantic fleets and warships. He wanted to keep the galaxy safe from the Yuzhazn Vong, and wanted a united fleet that could combat them. If Thrawn had any faults, it would be him trying to fight the New Republic instead of trying to inform them of the threat and making a temporary peace until the Yuzhazn Vong were dealt with. Bringing the Imperial Remnant forces under his control and producing as many ships as he could under the circumstances and then fight the Republic when they were weakened.
What Thrawn should have done is take control of the Imperial Remnant by either eliminating or strong arming the warlords to give complete control of the Imperial military while having the Moffs back him into brokering a peace with the New Republic. That way, he could have rebuilt the Imperial military by reforming it into an efficient machine designed to fight the Yuuzhan Vong. Remember, the Empire of the Hand had dozens more sectors than the Remnant. He could have combined the two states into a new Imperial state that is a realization of Thrawn's ideals and pragmatism.
He also had the same failing as the Emperor in taking for granted the loyalty of a subservient. It was his most trusted bodyguard, if I'm remembering the name right, Rukh, who kills him in Legends Canon. He became complacent and never thought the Noghri would find out the truth of what the Empire did to their home planet. That they did find out was what led to his downfall.
On a semi related note, I know that it won't be Rukh vs Chewie, but I really hope the Noghri appear in Ahsoka and there's a scene where one beats down a wookie. I remember as a kid reading g the Thrawn trilogy and rereading the part where Chewie gets his ass kicked over and over. Because I didn't think anything could take down a Wookie that easily.
The problem there was that he saw the Republic as weak, they didn’t have much of a focus on their military and their system of government made it hard to make tough decisions when they need a majority to agree. He calculated that it would be better to overthrow the new Republic and re-establish the empire, then to ally with the new Republic.
A fair criticism of this I've seen is that the empire was so huge that the amount of resources it would have taken to build and crew the ships necessary to police it would have been prohibitive. As it turned out, it still would have been better to invest in the ships but it's understandable why the emperor went the route he did. This is the drawback of running a state without consent of the governed
@@owenb8636 that’s more of a reason to build more fleets then. The Death Star can only bring order and control to a single system at a time, and is the biggest target for rebels in the galaxy.
Darth Sidious: This death star will protect me from any light side threat.
*GETS THROWN DOWN THE SHAFT FROM THE VERY LIGHT SIDE THREAT RIGHT NEXT TO HIM*
When your Vice President and Secretary of Defense both tell you ‘no’ you should probably listen 😂
It also represented about half of the best and brightest that the empire had to offer. Most of the rest went to the Executor, which suffered a similar fate. Not only does thrawn prefer a mobile navy of many capital ships, as it's the best configuration for a force to defend spaces like the empire owned territories, but it also ate a lot of the best personnel in the empire.
What I love most is how Sideus reaction to the Death Star destruction ranged from disappointment to being absolutely livid, even cloning the designer so he could kill him over and over again
Both Death Stars were the bait to expose the light-side forces that would challenge Sidious. They would also work as a symbol of imperial power but would not be very useful as a military asset.
Well said!
It's a very wasteful and expensive bait, which is sort of fitting for Sidious. I feel like it's more likely a gigantic flex and intimidation.
@@SparkShadow212 like building the twin towers and knocking them down, or forming entire countries and dissolving them into a new 3rd country through war or coup d'etat
"Giant bait for light-side forces" what? Cope much? It was just a classic sith mistake, the way of thinking that let the death star be built, is the same way of thinking always resulting in the fall of the sith. Arrogance, focused on power and oh so scared to lose it. Thinking he can control the universe and even the force. It's not bait, it's the reason the sith will ALWAYS lose.
They also both got blown to smithereens! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
On Sidious's view oh the irony how one so gifted in Force destroyed his answer to a rebellion of the Force. On Vader's view, power easily obtained if often easily lost. On Thrawn's view, he was a genius. Although a massive fleet would also consume massive resources, it would allow the Empire to have a show of power everywhere at once, and not just where the Death Star was at the time, and must harder to destroy let alone cripple.
He's a tactical genius! Unlike everyone else in the empire!
More then that, he is a pragmatist. He doesn't care, or understand, what the other leaders feel. He sees the battlefield without the social pressures and politics that may hinder others. To him, it is all a big chess game.
There were some very brilliant tactician who were part of the Empire for a time, if unwillingly. In legends canon, there's Garm Bel Iblis. In the current canon there's Ackbar who was forced into it. I believe, though this may be legends canon, that he was under Tarkin. There was also Pelleaon, though he was not nearly the tactician Thrawn was. Another great one was Natasi Daala.
Apologies. I think I'm mistaken about Iblis. He was not an imperial officer, he was a senator who, I believe, found the remainder of the Dark Force fleet of dreadnaughts.
Honestly not a high bar to clear, though.
Thrawn has an odd way of knowing the tactical background of a species or a culture, simply by studying their artwork. Paintings, sculpture, mobiles, artisanal weaponry, etc. It is almost as if he has a bit of Force intuition, if I didn't know better. But he has studied art for as long as he has strategy, has drawn a parallel between the two, and he is always right. At one point, he acquired some Mon Calamari art, and a particular piece uniquely accredited to Admiral Ackbar himself.
Moral of the story, always listen to Thrawne.
The Death Stars were to me an obvious analog to Schwerer Gustav and Schwerer Dora. Really impressive weapons that sucked way too many resources from other needs because the arrogance of the leadership thought they could simply morale bomb their enemies into submission.
or the Maus
or the V2
or in this day and age at least capital ships in general (with our current technology submarines outclass everyone else in practice; seriously, look at the training exercises the USN had with Sweden and Germany (one Swedish submarine even decided to just surface in the middle of the escort fleet and was undetected until then))
Originally the first railway guns were made to smash holes in the Maginot Line but became useless when they just bypassed the whole thing. However after France fell they continued to make more of the things for some reason.
This one was fascinating. I knew neither of them liked the Death Star but this lays out some very compelling specifics. Love the part about Vader “earning” his power through suffering
This video explains why Luke said to Darth Sidious in Episode 6 that "Over Confidence" was 'his' weakness. However, this video proves that it's not just over confidence that led to Sidious' downfall, it was his arrogance towards the fact that he believed that since the Jedi were all but defeated after the Clone Wars, nothing would stand against him, not even the Rebellion or the Force itself. It was also his ignorance towards others who expressed their concerns towards Sidious' plans including Thrawn and Vader.
Overall, it was a combination of different factors that led to the downfall of both Sidious and the Empire. Had he heeded the concerns of Thrawn and Vader, the Galactic Civil War would have turned out differently.
There's also this to consider. When people hear of the Death Star, will indeed submit in fear. Others, however, will throw everything they have at it because they have everything to lose. I think Sidious severely underestimated the Rebels resolve to fight.
No. The rebels would have lost if it were not for the efforts of Luke skywalker. He’s the single most important factor in the rebels success. And it’s cuz he’s force sensitive. Without special magic powers the rebels lose 10/10 times
@@darbyohara A. Sidious knew jedi survived. And jedi are exactly the type to join the rebllion. Sidious not only knew that, but found out about Luke and STILL continued. Also, he and Vader both had the force. So it wasn’t a one sided thing.
B. Sidious only got to where he was due to the force as well. If he didn’t have it, he would have failed before the empire even existed.
@@firstnamelastname9237 not necessarily. His force sensitivity was important but not a requirement to his rise to power. Much of the effort he took has nothing to do with the force. It doesn’t take magic powers to hatch a takeover plot and scheme in the shadows to effect a government crisis. The CIA does it all the time
Biggs could have done it had he not gotten shot down. He was best friends with Luke, so he probably used to bullseye womp rats with his T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than 2 meters.
@@snerdterguson na the force was not strong with him
Imagine Thrawn with the starforge. He'd be unstoppable
AM so excited to see Grand admiral thrawn in ahsoka series this summer
I’m not surprised thrawn opposed the Death Star. In Rebels he was portrayed to be a very quiet imperial operative. Plus it wouldn’t fit his personality, he was never very flashy despite owning hard to acquire artifacts
I agree with Thrawn
Very interesting as always i find sidious and thrawn's interactions very illuminating
a planet has so many resources that would be wasted once it was destroyed, something that could set a planet's atmosphere on fir would be a much better option
but the rakatan star forge would be thrawn's favourite superweapon
Another figure in the Empire that didn't like the Death Star was Grand General Tagge, his views probably would have supported Thrawn's stance as he believed that the station was a major waste of resources that would have been better off allocated in the military for example the amount of Super Star Destroyers that they could build.
wasnt it said also in legends that the true purpse of the death star was to repel the Yuzhazn vong ? i remmeber seeing that some were
pretty sure that was in-universe speculation... no-one could prove it, and of Palpatine's various superweapons, the best one to defend the Empire against the Yuuzhan Vong would have been the Galaxy Gun; primarily because it doesn't have to be anywhere near its target to destroy it
He is the reason why my first toon in SWTOR was a Chiss. Such an inspired character. I'm happy he's finally getting a real treatment in a live action show on Disney
Fun fact: Thrawn met Vader before but he was Anakin at the time and Thrawn respected Anakin at the time
Great vid with solid analysis and commentary. Thx for this!
Thrawn was my preferred choice of the villain after Return of the Jedi. He used art, logic, and characteristics of people to be ahead of everyone. Mitth'raw'nuruodo was a genius.
That original Thrawn series was just loaded with great characters. Grand Admiral Thrawn, Gilad Paelleon, Mara Jade, Talon Karrde. Plus the birth of two others in Jacen and Jaina. Legends Canon wouldn't really even exist if it weren't for Zahn laying the groundwork and introducing key characters. I may have to read it again soon.
@Quarter Productions I haven’t read the newer thrawn books yet. I read all the ones prior to Disney buying SW.
@Quarter Productions I’m not, NOT, reading it. I have them on my shelf, just haven’t had time.
The idea that Sideous made the Death Star as a means to fight against any Force divine intervention is awesome and puts the Death Star into a new perspective for me
Thrawn was right from a certain point of view. He was short-sighted about the deathstar as a psychological weapon, which could be used far more effectively than an entire fleet of star destroyers.
I completely disagree. The only thing a weapon like that can do is drive people to rebel. Its not like the leaders of every planet had total control of their people either. A planets leadership may submit, but a chunk of its people may join the rebels, what then? Blow up the planet just because some of them rebeled?
Other than that at the end of the day, it is still just one station, that could only be one place at a time. A powerful fleet on the other hand is another story. ISDs are fully capable of utterly ruining a planet, not outright destroy it, but certainly a fleet of them can cause wide spread destruction, more than enough for a psychological effect and with several fleets they can be all over the galaxy.
Exactly. One Death Star is worth a lot more than a larger fleet
It was more counterproductive DUE to that fear though. It was ultimately that fear that drove the rebellion to where it managed to destroy TWO death stars (massive resource sinks by the empire) AND made Luke who he needed to be to change his father.
@@firstnamelastname9237 thank you. Fear is far from an effective tool of management. At besy it may work for a while but people will lash out at some point. Hell many imperals jumped ship after tarkin blew up alderaan. In my head canon i like to think people who made mistakes also joined the rebellion due to the fear of failure.
The Death Star should have aways stayed a contingency or a Feet Hub. At the very least they should have never used its main weapon against a member world unless to deplete it's planetary shield (witch could do at half power), and they should have put a lot more point defense or anti-fighter defense in place
Thrawn has a weakness, actually several. He expects betrayal, and weakness in others, and keeps things close to his vest. That will eventually trip him up.
Legends canon also says that the death star was also a weapon to use against the yuzzhan vong.
Another reason Sideous was ahead of the game and Lord Vader & Thrawn.
@@salsaspartan7 You say "ahead of the game", I say "shortsighted". The Death Star was expensive to build, even more so to maintain, and was Palpatine putting all of his eggs in one basket. Once it was gone, the Empire had nothing left. No backup plan, no secret ace in the hole, nothing.
Great video! Fascinating stuff. What is the name of the dark ominous music playing in the background? Please let me know.
Thrawn does have a point to hate the Death Star: it could be pointed at his home people, it would destroy many cultures alongside the planets, they decommissioned the entire Clone Army to make the project more affordable, and they even disbanded the Senate (after he was banished to Peridea) . You could see how the Death Star would backfire on Palpatine
Sidious thought it was a good idea cuz he was a psychopath.
4:55 Like he said in A New Hope "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed."
Trawn was the smartest imperial there was. He saw all its flaws. Yet he still worked for them. What if trawnwas a rebel?
Tenebrous' grand plan made more sense. He wanted to merge the Dark Side with Supercomputers. This would allow him to predict the future, use the Force as an energy source and create a post scarcity planned society. No Order 66, no Death Star. The Jedi would fade from relevance, and the galaxy would enter a new age of prosperity.
Lmao Palpatines face around 2:57 😂
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Centuries ago the Spanish built large ships with multiple rows of cannons along each side, built to overwhelm enemy ships with dozens of shots crashing through the enemy ship it went against.
The English decided to build smaller ships with fewer cannons, and lots of them.
When the conflict with the Spanish and English came to a head the Spanish sent their fleet into the English Channel to attach the English ports and invade England.
The English fleet met them there and the battle begun. The smaller and lighter English ships were also much faster and were able to literally sail circles around the Spanish ships at speeds that made it very hard for the Spanish to time their shots so that they would hit and were further hampered by the fact that their cannons were designed to either hit other ships at a distance or similar sized ships up close.
So by getting up close and maneuvering at high speeds and with multiple smaller ships for each smaller Spanish ship, the English were able to put enough holes in the sides of the Spanish ships at the water line that they were able to sink the majority of the Spanish fleet.
In an attempt to escape the English and with their path south blocked by the English fleet, the remains Spanish fleet sailed north, right into the stormy North Sea which tore their sails apart which made it impossible for them to maneuver and let waves crashing into their sides roll them over and the seas to crash over the decks and sank the remainder of the Spanish fleet.
The English were like small birds going after the fearsome hawk and driving it away, only much deadlier.
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And this is why I hate the British.
With the ability to "glass" a planet like was done to Mandalore with the Imperial fleet, why is there a need to blow one up completely? Kind of a logic error, but maybe just because it's more fun.
Usually planets have shields and planetary defenses to prevent stuff like this. Death Star can break planetary shields.
Thrawn had balls of beskar.
Not having any actual knowledge, but yet he pulls up to palps like "sir-bro, we gotta talk."
I just find it funny that Sidious openly says he doesn't wish to rule over an empire of the dead and yet his go-to is these planet killers that eliminate billions.
I doubt that the ones that wrote Episode IX knew about Thrawn.
They did. The plot of Episode 9 is repurposed Katana fleet idea from Thrawn books, just poorly done. Chris Terrio I think literally had The Last Command on his desk in the writer's room.
Honestly the emperors biggest mistake was switching out the clone army for some regular people in white armour and wielding blasters
The Death Star was simply the Empires "Dora" Gun. The largest train artillery ever build - and which actually saw use. The resources spend on it have been massive. And it really saw only very little combat.
The psychological effect of it however particularly on the own troops was massive though. Ultimately it was a waste of resources though. A display of gigantomania.
if the money that went into the death star went into the TIE defender elite project the rebels would have been swiftly obliterated, the TIE defender elite had and I quote""speed, weapons and shields superior to any fighter in our fleet" and their analysts had yet to find a weakness in the design, 20 of those could have wiped out the rebel base on yavin.
Thrawn specifically wanted to shift funding from Project Stardust to his TIE Defender fleet.
I think had they stuck to a Clone Army (verified that there were no chips or way for the clones to rebel against the Empire) and opted for an even larger fleet with a "third variant" of the ISDs and more SSDs I think the Empire would've lasted forever. (If they stuck with no more clones then sure more recruit) More flexibility, control, but most importantly presence. It's the presence of the Empire that has the people on its toes. Also, if Palpatine did not disavow the senate I think we would've seen more success. If they had granted access to Imperial Resources (troops/ships in exchange for materials) his Empire would have been secured from a political standpoint as well. (Imperial Senate using ships/troops to quell pirates, unauthorized movements within Imperial sectors, rebellions, etc)
Vader also likely had issue with the Death Star being created via slave labor. He expressed this to Palps when he heard about the Empire using slaves.
The Death Star is really the perfect weapon.
The engineered flaw aside (easy to correct), the battle station is better than using the resources for a larger fleet. The simple fear of planetary destruction alone forces planets into submission. It’s too large to attack with capital ships as no one has a fleet big enough to succeed.
Vader didn’t like the Death Star because it was ultimately a technological superior over the force. The force is an energy field between all living things and the worlds they exist on. Destroying the worlds, destroys the force.
OK, soo, was the other Death Star being built concurrently or directly after the 1st one was destoyed?
Which game is that at the end?
I'm not surprised Thrawn was right. Brilliant tactician and strategist. I agree with Vader too. Death Star was operated by people who didn't deserve to be there,to operate it. It should be operated by those who deserve it. I completely agree with Thrawn. And Vader. Both were so right. May the Force be with you too :)
Thrawn was right.
Where is this info from?
It's brought up in rebels briefly how so many resources are going to "project stardust" when Thrawn really is pushing for his tie defender program to continue funding.
Maybe he wanted to create the 5th imperium from dahak series. Each ship was moon sized and had gravitonic warheads. Beams broke things down at molecular levels.
the death star is a failure from any conceivable viewpoint, i remember vaguely on wookieepedia reading about how the hutts also had planet destroying weapons that used large asteroids as the ammunition, there have existed either a few or many things in the star wars galaxy that can destroy planets and even more, all sidious had to do was scrounge around some old sith ruins to find a bunch of old anti force stuff if he wanted protection from a light side jedi.
I wish/love to see Palpatine versus the Yuzong Vong
A fleet of ships could easily destroy a planets surface. The total demolition of a world and it's resources makes no sense in terms of effort and cost. Additionally a large navy can be flexible and deployed in many ways simultaneously to fight and destroy the rebellion on multiple fronts. The Death Star was intimidating but not tactical.
Amazing
Makes sense. Cool.
Tagge was against it as well he was the guy vader force choked in ep4 movie. Just like thrawn he said it was better to make more ISDs
That was another admiral Vader choked.
(Can't think of his name right now.)
@@grisom5863 No that was tagge. There is a comic with him. For a time after the first death star was destroyed vader was placed under his command by sidious. Due to tagge being the only one speaking out against the death star and his fleet being mostly intact.
No, I think that was Motti, not Tagge.
@@eren34558
Thanks for pointing that out.
@@outlaw0987654321
Ok here's the clear up.
Motti was the one choked by Vader in episode four. Tagge was the one arguing with him. (He was choked to death in the Disney canon Darth Vader comics.)
Ultimately even though Vader made all the wrong sacrifices, he was still proven correct for anyone who for any reason wants power and control to any degree must be willing to sacrifice and be willing to do anything to attain it and keep it. Even Sidious made sacrifices and accepted his consequences for what he wanted, so quite literally they both proved that they indeed earned their power and control, despite not making overall good choices, they at least proved they were "higher, more powerful ", beings because they put their personal relationships and their physical wants on the back burner and valued their long term goals and their loyalty to their power and in essence the Dark sides wishes, because despite Palpatine foolishly thinking he had complete control over the Dark side itself all sith are ultimately subject to the Dark side period and Vader especially during the time of a New hope, he understood that much deeper than Palpatine ever did, mainly just because he never foolishly thought he was actually in control of the Dark side, but instead honored the Dark side and respected its power and it's will, in that way he actually exceeded Palpatine in terms of actual control the only reason he never overpowered Palpatine was because of the sheer amount of knowledge of the Dark side that Palpatine had and the simple fact that Palpatine was taught by one of the most knowledgeable of Sith in Darth Plaugouse. So quite literally if Vader had not been as physically limited as he was he could have very easily overpowered Sidious just in his natural force abilities which in his full power would have literally overshadowed the Emperor in terms of sheer might in the force.
Not only could the two deaths stars budget have made a bigger star destroyer fleet but could of also made a much better tie fighter design and upgrade
This is why every manager should listen to there employees
The Death Star was literally a shortcut to a long term goal. Thrawn was a master strategist and saw everything wrong with it. Plus the Death Star actually made the empire weaker. Kind of how a Mandalorian is dangerous to any and every type of fighter, but they are too reliant on their tech.
The irony that both the dark and light side of the force turned on Sideous because of the Death Star.
Not only that but the spirits of the ancient sith lords lingering from the Old Republic era hated Sidious, although they had some respect for Vader.
Little tip, if the two most iconic Characters of your verse think something is a bad idea listen to them !!!!!!
As a machine that has a lot of small moving parts so does a weapon great enough to destroy worlds. Vaders thought of the the Death Star was short sighted. Every bit of personnel on the DS had, in some way contribution to the effective operation of the station
Too many star destroyers means factions can break out. The empire collapses under warlords.
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Thrawn cared more about his own people the Chiss, more than he cared about the empire.
Thrawn joined the empire as a spy, to evaluate the potential danger they present to his people.
At the end of the day, he is loyal to his people.
Thrawn is the universes ultimate threat.
But if Admiral Thrawn said this to Emperor Palpatine directly to him offering his opinions, he'd get force choked if taken too far.
He literally did that 😉 No one force choked him
Palpatine was not an idiot. He didn't kill his subordinates just because they expresed their opinion. If he didn't agree, he just rejected their ideas, but killing someone just because the have different ideas to help the Empire would make no sense
@@rodrigoperez5073 to Palpatine, yes. To Vader? no.
@@eren34558 to be fair with vader the officers that are incompetent as fuck die quick but no matter what you dont see him kill competent ones or try to harm them like when thrawn kept mentioning anakin infront of him any other officer would probably instantly die but since thrawn is useful he didnt even harm him but instead got so angry he just started shouting instead of choking
Mentioning TROS is straight poison to me but Thrawn is worth it
the rebels put all their eggs in one basket to spring the trap on endor too.. although the emperor was dumb enough to personally oversee that battle.
Thrawn knew the better idea was to put planet killing lasers on every star destroyer. But those star destroyers should be buried first. Because something.. something.. darkside.
This is why I always liked legends reason for the Death Star better holding a space gun at people all the time is not going to create stability it’s going to just show the galaxy how much u should join the rebellion his hole thing in the government was being seen as the good guy u can’t manipulate people if you’re crazed dictator
Star Wars: The deathstar was a massive target and drain on resources and ultimately helped lead to the end of the empire.
Disney: what if we made an even bigger death star?
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WTF man 😭😭 2:56 my eyes. what have you done?!
rebelion could come from within. a large fleet could slpinter into factions and rip the empire apart. maybe palps feared that?
Imagine if they made super ISDs rather than the death star. Each fleet has one with a swarm of regular ISDs. They could wreck a planet if they wanted to. Not blow it up but more than powerful enough to send a message.
The Death Star was better. It’s a more effective tool of fear. It also requires less manpower than a fleet of ISDs
@@darbyohara The problem with that line of thinking is the complete lack of regard for the fact that fear can also make people rebel, which was proven after they blew up alderaan. The empire basically gave the rebellion a free promo. Many imperials rebelled as well. Now imagine if people with deep know how of the DS rebelled and spread out details about it. They don't even need to blow it up, just destroy the cyrstals powering the weapon and steal their supply of them and all of a sudden that weapon becomes worthless. The darn thing would cause more issues than solve, rebellions poping up all over the place and remember, it's just ONE assest.
@@youtubestayatyourrootsforfsake no it wasn’t. It took ethereal magic powers to defeat it. Nothing tangible. That’s why the force is in the story, any viewer knows the prospect of defeating such overwhelming power and strategy can only be done with magic
@@darbyohara You're looking at things purely from the standpoint of the movies. Even if the empire got the plans back the rebelion would have happened. It was already underway and it was more organized than you think. There is a reason why they were able to form fleets and secure fighters and the like. they operated in cells that were not aware of eachother. The DS may had make the rebels think twice for a few years but that's it. Again the DS is a single asset, even assuming the first one didn't blow up and they had 2 it's still just two assets. Assets that at the end of the day couldn't even be used because if they blew up planets as they pleased more people would rebel.
The rebels employed a stateless strategy, the empire would have a VERY hard time beating them because The empire had no real target to attack and the rebels could end up popping up anywhere. At least with a fleet more places could be defended. The share size of the empire makes single powerful assets a foolish thing.
@@darbyohara How did the force defeat the tarkin doctrine? Luke used the force a bit to guide the missile on the first DS but a none force sensitive blew up the second.
Thrawn in canon, probably:
I thought I would never again see Imperial minds create a project as idiotically vain as the Death Star... and then I heard about Gideon's plan to clone himself into an entire army.
Thrawn was probably the most valuable commander the empire had. Even more so than Tarkin. Thrawn approached everything from a pragmatic perspective and wasnt afraid or blonded by idealism. He wasnt power hungry either. He was on poont how absolutely wasteful it was to put everything onto the death star
He was right tho 😅
Curious... the Death Star's weapon is powered in part by kyber crystals. By forcing that kind of hate/fear from the Death Star through them, shouldn't that make them bleed? Wouldn't that make the blast from the Death Star red instead of green?
I don’t believe machinery could make a crystal bleed. It takes a great amount of dark side energy from a force user focused into the kyber to accomplish. Some evil person just wielding a light saber would not change the crystal (bleeding or purifying) either.
It made sense that the empire needed the tie defender the normal ties don’t have shield or hyperdrive.
Its worth mentioning that Thrawn wasn't the only Grand Admiral who saw the downfall of the deathstar. When at least 2/12 of your Grand Admirals hold concerns, it's worth listening to them
Both of whom are far from incompetent. This isn’t like they’re some random senators who got voted there.
Really starting to regret your decisions huh, Palpatine?
maybe thrawn was out trying to get fleet bigger to and thats why we dont see him on deathstars so palpatine controlled vader and built deathstars but other second in command thrawn was building fleet bigger
So here's a question. If they had the ability to streamline and confine the power of planet killer to a single gun on a Star Destroyer...why did they WASTE so many resources on not one, not two but THREE Planet Killer bases?!!!
And it can't be because the technology wasn't there. Cause it's too big of a leap tech wise to go from a Moon sized gun to a far smaller gun on a capital ship.
Better than drinking water at 3AM
Ah. This actually explains a few things about superweapons in general, when combined with your movie about why the Force (including the Dark Side) hated the Death Star. It was not just a weapon to crush any rebellion. It was a weapon to crush the Force itself, should Darth Sidious consider it neccesary. That would indeed explain the difference in vision between him, Thrawn and Darth Vader. And why he might've considered their visions lacking.
Seems all similar super weapons seem to meet the same fact throughout the universe's history. The Force/Darkside fights back against them and destroy them, I guess because too much death at once isn't like by them, or causes some issue with the Force/Darkside that it finds a way to wipe them from existence every time.
Fully operational and all.
I don't think Thrawn cared for the empire as an end, at least not at this point in time. What he put above himself was his people, the Chiss Ascendancy. The empire was but a means to achieve his goals ; protecting his own kind against the Grysks.
I don't know much about admiral thawn is he somewhat sith or force sensitive or he just very tachical
thrawn is essentially one of if not the best tactical mind in the galaxies history, with close follow ups probably being the super tactical droids
Thrawn wasn't force-sensitive, just a very intelligent strategist.
The empire did not need more Death Stars they needed massive numbers of smaller ships like Cruisers Destroyers, and Torpedo boats and not more battleships. You don't need a sludge hammer to kill a fly.