I wish I liked these new Games Workshop miniatures more
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- čas přidán 2. 04. 2024
- The new Liberators have been revealed and... they're fine. They're ok. They're missing a lot of the personality of the old ones though.
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Stormcasts losing a bit of personality with a new version of them is very meta, considering their lore.
Facts
They had personality?
@@____________838 more than space marines, yes.
@@cooljoe500 I kind of disagree with that statement, as an army they have more personality but individual characters I think there are better spacemarines are better
Which is funny, because some of the biggest complaints about them at the 2015 AoS launch were that they looked like clones without any personality.
We're a real fandom now lads, we actually old enough that we have veterans complaining about how the new models are shit. Brings a tear to my eye. /s
I knew we would get there... soon enough...
You know what brings tears to my eyes? That you all cannot except opninions anymore if they aren´t overall positive. You are the real problem here.
dude I been complaining since second edd.
specially about the prices.
Squidward Eternals.
Squidmarines?
@@yhormthemidget Stormwards. Which actually sounds like a name GW would come up with; the Stormcast and Imperium ranges don't have a lot of imagination.
Tbh I don't see it
Patrick Chaosstar
The vanguard armour is more high fantasy, the old liberator armour has always been a little too chunky, too close to marines.
I think I prefer the old shields though.
I disagree the old sigmarines looked extremely high fantasy and these new guys look like a Fallout 4 mod... aka retro near future.
I actually heard people say that about the new Steelhelm troopers too that they look Fallout dudes cosplaying as medieval infantry.
Oddly fitting since they’re all in a post-apocalyptic setting trying to rebuild on the chaos blasted wastelands.
When Age of Sigmar released I throw the fantasy setting of the old world to cope. And with a little time I started to like what games workshop was doing with it then I felt it went back to its old world roots and left AoS in a weird spot. To me Stormcast Eternals were reborn heroes in forged bodies of magic kinda like Rubric Marines or Necrons. So it makes sense to look like space marines. When they died I imagined there souls go to heaven like when zealot protoss died in starcraft. Then they release helmetless heads and my head canon shattered.
@@ce4879 I honestly wish that the human troops kept that renaissance HRE aesthetic from Warhammer Fantasy.
AoS in general lacks that vibe of regular mortals struggling against inevitable end of the world caused by literal demons and gods. Now it's just superpowered gods fighting each other all around.
You're mentally ill if you think a guy in full plate armour looks anything like the trash you see in Fallout. Apart from being painted silver, and made of metal, you've got nothing.
Re: the helmets being faces, I read something recently that made me like them more. They're not just supposed to be helmets, they're death masks.
Also, Vindictors were always supposed to effectively be Liberators with spears in the lore. The only reason why we've seen them as different is because Vindictors were in the new armor, and Liberators weren't.
I'm not the hugest fan of the nose guard, but it works a LOT better on the model than it did in the video game it was first shown in, a few months ago. I'll hold off on a final opinion on it until I have them on my painting table.
As long as they don't turn green headed and exclaiming "Ssssssmokin'!" all the time, I could possibly live with this MASK for a helmet
That's right Wendy. We all wear masks metaphorically speaking
Glad I'm not the only one that saw that
I actually kinda like it
I like them too, I feel like they have a better weight to them and just look more balanced, which I myself like. I do however understand if others don't enjoy it, that's fair too.
@@SirRoy oh yeah definitely I agree. It's a very unique style that I can see some people not liking it. I like the redesign because it makes them stand out as elite but separates them as lower tier from some of the super elite bulkier stormcast units.
I think what bugs me about this redesign is that all the initial thunderstrike units, while based on the same basic armor design, were obviously different. Vindictors had the short chainmail skirt with no cloth elements. Vanquishers had the cloth skirts. Praetors had the capes and longer chainmail loincloths. Vigilors had both capes and skirts. And Annihilators were BIG. They all had clearly distinct silhouettes. Meanwhile this guy is almost identical to a Vindictor, with the only differences besides weapon loadout (helmet, notches on the shield, chest badge) being so minute that in most armies they would just be part of the slight variation within a unit. Two random battle sisters from the same sprue have more distinctions than this Liberator and the Vindictor does.
I think they’re going to consolidate the vindictors into the liberators and remove the sword options that liberators currently have & replace it with the spears as the current vindicators kit is etb with no options whatsover
I have to admit the loin-tabard thing looked good for the Stormcast main line. I'd actually say the NEW Liberator's chestpiece looks more overly detailed than either the old one, or the Vindicator's. The other two looked more practical by not etching out the SO many muscles. (Though the new Liberator still beats out the old in practicality thanks to the less-ridiculous armor).
Anyway Canoness, I'm just impressed you even remembered all those names, and typed all this out.
According to the Facebook post today they’re a separate kit you can customize with hammers + shields or all dual-hammers & champion prime with Grandhammer. This will all be possible in the starter box.
No Vindictor crossover. I think it’s because they’re gonna be a bit bigger than the spears despite a similar looking build.
Intercessors and Assault Intercessors are identical but have different weapons, clearly GW is doing the same thing in AoS that they did in 40K. It's just so they can have a simple and recognizable design pattern across the range, one that even new players walking in a store can attribute to a single faction.
@@brainstorm90 the problem with that is it’s boring & a way for gw to monetise the same kit but with a different weapon option in it it’s awful value for money as it’s essentially just a weapon swap kit with it still having less options than the previous one had its what makes the primaris line so awful & it will suck here to if that’s the path gw are taking with aos
Why? Probably because they got sick of people calling Stormcast "Ground Marines."
So they made them look even more marine like?
you mean sigmarines?
Eh they look better overall now@@LSOP-
Sides, helmet can always be swapped since i like both helmet sculps equally, cuz i like face casted masks in fiction armor but the armor is waaay better now
Fatcast
@@LSOP- *less
The nose guard looks like it’s taken inspiration from ridge helmets, I don’t mind them!
Reminds me of the man in the iron mask. Which fits thematically as they slowly louse their identity.
I like it a lot. It feels more medieval and gritty.
This actually solves my big problem with Stormcast in them feeling like Fantasy Space Marines. I mean, it's still there in their DNA, but it's buried deeper now
Well at least its more believable that a goblin could take one of these down
They simplified them to be easier to paint as the launch faction
That's true, they are very easy compared to old Liberators now. I don't know why people said old Liberators were easy to paint. I had easier time painting Chaos Warriors or Beastmen. Many more armies are easier to paint than Stormcast, cause they don't have golden trim, and flat surfaces everywhere. But these new Vindictors, and Liberators too, are at least a bit easier to paint than old Liberators and Sequitors (these are even a level harder)
Yea I was thinking they would be a lot easier to paint for people who are just getting into the hobby.
I think it looks fine, much better then the older ones imo.
I like that they look more like golems and less like Space Marines, make more sense with their lore and make them more distinct.
I really like this new helmet, with a Hood they will look like DR. Doom
Man in the iron mask vibes. Totally agree the cloth would have changed them up a bit. Slightly longer shield or even given them a smaller round shield could have been cool.
Thats why these are the only sigmarines i like. Or rather these are the only ones i am aware of that look good. It wasn't until the World of Warhammer-ification of the old (?) models was pointed out in this video that i realised why i dislike the entire aesthetic of the range. Spent way to many years and hours in WOW, i dont need to be painting up WOW style models.
@@jamesmaybrick2001 hey if you like them dude. More power to you. Get an army going. I just wish I liked them more. I want AOS to succeed
in concept i completely love the idea of unspacemarining the stormcast range further. in that regard they look fine, great even. still feels strange to completely loose their signature chonkiness, and the way they softened some aspects of their design indead loses them quite a bit personality. ceeping the loin cloth and maybe more aspects of the helmet device would certainly have helped. i would even gone farther and make armored loin cloth their thing and add it to the back too.
All my stormccast are bare heads, its the sundial fins i'm not massive on. But I like these minis updated to the newer armour.
Bare heads as in naked? Or with the head crests removed?
@@Raygun9000 helmetless heads, I can't be bothered with filing off all the crests 😂
Old liberators were a bit better for golems in d&d likes. New liberators look better to me, less Space Marine.
This is just the first step In making all the redeemer units the same warscroll with a different weapon in hand.
Not complaining just can see the writing on the wall for an edition or two down the road
Between the lack of specific ornamentations, the occasional way that the helmet and war gear is structured, and the silver color scheme of the Hallowed Knights, I think that they are trying to communicate the grimness and more dour nature of the Warhammer settings. I think it is a fantastic and very interesting choice, that they need to do when the next edition of 40K comes around.
I prefer them, honestly. Nice to see them moving more towards something I could buy as real armour, and away from the old Warcrafty "so, you want Space Marines, but prefer pure fantasy" look.
I even prefer the scalemail skirts replacing the loincloth-tabard-things (they're not quite either, but eh). Those tabards have always felt like a cheap way to disguise the wonkiness that you often get around the groin when casting minis in plastic, IMO, so having actual armour instead is something I'm a fan of.
i strangely see some interesting opportunity with these new helmets. if you sand off the lips sculpted on the helmet i bet they would start to take on an interesting dehumanized feel that would definitely fit the lore about how they have magic super dementia that's changing them from the inside out.
they would immediately become like 20x more horrifying if you put a blindfold/metal band over the eye holes- like some horrible silent hill creature especially with some more barbed wire and brutal weaponry. Could be a really fun ‘Fallen Stormcast’ army
green stuff makes it so
@@eryk335 yessss lmao
I actually like thst it's similar to the Vindictors. It makes the army feel cohesive. I much prefer the chainmail to the long loincloth. The hammers are a touch on thr large side but yhr the lsdy with the grandhammer is perfect.
As for the whole Primaris argument, I thought the thing people hated about them was the lore. The new liberator is like a new mark. It's the same Stormcast getting refitted with new armour. GW have said you can still use your old models.
This is exactly what i needed to be conviced to start a Stormcast army. The 4th edition box will not be shared for me lol
Gw really just did primaris ground marines
Can't make this stuff up
I would like to turn these stormcast into hammerguard veterans fir my salamanders.
Id have loved it to go the other direction. Have them be death masks blood angels style. The expression they were making when they first died.
Proportions look much better, feels like the Stormcast and AoS are coming into their own. Sure the heads could be better but you can absolutely swap them out.
It looks like a Knight from WhF/tOW with a sigmar head.. it doesnt look like a stormcast eternal
i'd also argue this is easies to kitbash as space marines than the last lot
But you can't swap the heads if older liberators are no longer sold.
There are always recasters, of course, but not everyone will follow this logic
Why are the hammerheads twice the size of the original Liberator ones. They look like bricks.
I'm glad someone agrees with me on helmets with realistic faces. It's a fairly normal trope in fantasy armor designs and I've never thought it looked good.
It looks more robotic to me. Also scaling them down makes the base look massive
When AoS released Stormcast Eternals look like their armor trapped the soul of a reborn hero of the old world. I think it was Dope, like a medieval rubric marine or necron and in the new setting a Sigmar Angel. I always liked the idea that there were no bodies inside the armor just pure thunder energy and the soul and when they died they get released and fly back to heaven in a light stream sorta the Noah movie with rusell crowe when the rock fallen angels got killed. Man I remember getting so depressed when GW released a photo of a Stormcast without a mask/helmet just the bare head
The piece of chainmal between the legs made them look more like knights or paladins, which I found fitting.
Stormcast are not really my favorite faction but I have them because of the starter boxes and with this one having Skaven I'll get it because Skaven are one of my favorite, but I still prefer this design for Stormcast over the previous ones so I'm still happy
I’ve been 3d printing 3rd party proxies and started blowing them up to like 42 mm scale and they look so lovely and demigod like at that scale.
And are easier to paint as I get older.
Im pretty sure that they will make the spear guys and hammers guys a dual purpose kit, hence why they look so similar now.
These guys are basically Primaris Intercessors of AoS whereas the old ones were sternguard.
Took everything interesting and ornamental out of them.
Id have to disagree, the old stormcast in my eyes were busy and overdetailed. Esp for an "intro" faction
I don't collect AoS, but your feedback seems fair. It seems that they were put in line with the Vindictors and it's weird how some parts of them stand out. The comically large hammers are fine if they are meant to represent their greater strength, if paired with a shield that can match the size. The more slender knight builds are also a bit unfortunate because I always considered Liberators to be kind of the Space Marines of AoS in that it gave bulky standout "human" units for the forces of Order; they worked as a beautiful counterpart to the typically bulky warriors of Chaos armies (and yes, I know that them being an AoS counterpart to Space Marines is a complaint for some). In contrast with these models and also with models like the Vindictors I feel like I just see a horde of Balthasar Gelt's, lol.
As for the line down the middle of their helmet... at first I wasn't bothered by it but the more I look at the models the more it starts to bother me. It's like they absolutely wanted them to resemble some sort of Spartan helmet or any helmet with a nose cover... by reinforcing it on the outside? Like, it literally looks as if it's riveted on there. Why? At least the halos represent a sun, light and order (despite being impractical) and historically speaking there were armies that on occassion used impractical helmets to intimidate their foes, but the reinforced nose seems like... they just wanted a nose (cover) riveted on? I feel like this is the typical artist mistake where you keep adding fluff for your fantasy character/model and thus end up making something worse. If the thing itself doesn't explain why it's there, you probably shouldn't add it in the first place.
With that said, the lion shoulder pad looks cool. The lack of scapular/groin armour/tabard and being replaced with like an armoured skirt is fine from a practical and historical usage of armour point of view, but it does feel like the model lost some character. It's all a bit of a mixed bag, really... but thematically the old Liberators look like a more complete, more fitting and faction identifying model.
I wouldn't go as far as to call them a "beautiful counterpart" to chaos warriors. If anything they utterly nullified the intimidation factor of chaos. Stormcast have always been mistake in that regard. Now they're a better proportioned mistake, minus the goofy hammers.
I like them, I think the new ones look more imposing, like something that is human, but kinda off.
If anything worries me, it's probably the rumours I am hearing that they won't come with a sword option, I quite liked the variation.
I find their lack of Loin cloth disturbing
I think I’ve realised my main problem with them is that they now look like the same squad from dominion just with different weapon option. What might have helped at least for me is if the Pauldron, shield etc looked more like the original but with the proportions and main body from the new armour. Giving them that upgraded proportions and sculpt but a bit more distinct
Maybe I'm a bit strange, but I look at the sprues of the Stormcast Liberators and they say 2014, and then I look at the sprues of the Eldar Dire Avengers and they say 2006. Still, GW has chosen to put out new Liberators instead. Warp Spiders, Fire Dragons and Swooping Hawks aren't even plastic.
I know these are two separate systems with two separate teams, but I guess the Liberators just FEEL newer to me, more than other models that been getting updates.
As a stormcast fan since 2016 I absolutely love the new changes and can’t wait to get my hands on these new models
I really like the new design. Proportions seem to be better, less under body suit and more Greco style armour. Put one next to a cities of Sigmar human and they’ll look huge!
The shields are the only thing I think don’t match the lore, although they look cool.
Liberator shield walls are a thing and those newer ones look more for massed melee than regimented shield wall.
But overall looking mega!
I wonder if the bulkier armour of other new ‘retributor’ style units will fill the gap for you?
Sometimes I would like it if the Stormcast helmets end up looking more like Anglo-Saxon style helmets
The face-helmets have ‚always‘ been my pet-peeve with the SE - which is why I started changing those with 3D-printed knight-helmets. Makes a ton of a difference. That‘s why I am not to worried about the weird new heads, but I do like the very rest of the resculpts. I think the tabard might have been to bulky for their slimmer silhouette now.
Once again thank you Kirioth for yet another deep design analysis. For me as a concept artist it's very helpful in growing my skill
For simple troopchoice I like them very much, like the vindictors they look like easy to paint a lot of them! I might greenstuffing their tabarts back onto them, though...
The libirators and that were fine. But some other things like decimators and protectors definitly needed a fresh update
I think they were going for an iron maiden look to tie in with them playing more into the souls trapped to a metal suit thing but I can see why it would seem silly
because the old chonkcast look like disproportionate fischer price toys, and the new thunderstrike armored stormcast are gorgeous.
I plan to replace the helmet with 3d printed ones anyway, so I’m not bothered by it. A Viking or knight helmet looks pretty cool with the armor. I do agree that the tabard is a loss.
I agree, i kinda wished the shields and the mail tabard would look closer to the older models
Looks very much like the pariah model head from the first DoW games. Particularly the ones from the necron cutscenes in dark crusade
Pariahs were exactly what I thought of when I saw them.
this is a Medieval Cyberman from Doctor Who
I kinda love the fatcast its grown on me overtime so ill probably get one of each unit before they get replaced
I adore it way more than the old one...might actually grab some models for painting reasons
I do love the new ones - Thunderstrike, actually female models now - but I do agree the scale skirt is maybe a step far.
I think I'll have to try sculpting over it with greenstuff, turn it into a short cloth skirt instead - that might help set them apart enough.
I actually kind of like the new helmets. At least they are better than the existing Liberator ones, I always hated them.
I loved the slimmer weapons and chunkier shields of the old models. I loved the, kind of, next gen in the form of the Sequitors, slimmed armour, but still impressive weapons and shields. These guys feel a little off.
I already have 30 old ones . These don't make me want more
Man, I had a whole rant I was gonna do about the Eldar, and ya just nipped that in the bud right at the end. Cheers!
Is wrong that I kind of miss the chunkier Stormcasts? If they had more typical knight helmets rather than the death masks, they’d probably be one of the best factions aesthetically.
Kitbash them then
Honestly I thought the old ones looked like obese men, rather than strong soldiers.
I'd just flat out replace stormcast with cities of sigmar, normal humans just fit the setting better, feels like fantasy arc berserk.
I really hope the evocators and sequitors don't get hit like this in the future.
Well I guess I'm in the same league.
I liked the old liberators, got into AoS with the them at the very beginning. I like the greco-roman-fantasy take, the large surface for the shields (my scheme includes a gradient on them), the helmets. But I also felt they were a bit bulky, especially the shoulder pads (which were a pain to assemble). So it was ok to have a newer kit...
But I, too, dislike some aspects : the loss of the tabards, the shields too small (especially vertically) and the hammers too big, the notches, the pointy helmets. And I would have preferred if they had deopped the double hammer. I like the fact they're more slim, and the thunderstrike is cool... but it's also too different.
In the end, for my armour-painting itch, it makes me think about turning to Chaos ! 😄
Edit : on the other hand, the new clanrats are very cool and mix much better with their previous iteration.
As someone with 300pts of libs, I don’t need any of the new ones and will stick to my old chunky boys! I see them as the walls so I like the chunk!! The only thing I’ll do with the new ones is give them 2 hammers/ great hammers and imagine them a attack libs vs the shield libs
All I see is them finally becoming something other than ground marines
As someone who really like helmets that look like faces, the giant ridge down the center is not helping asthetically.
Agreed with everything you said. The original Liberator's are much more aesthetically pleasing to the eye, and yeah, face helmets are a no go. I've just put the bare human heads on all of the Stormcast I've painted because the helmets look stupid.
Give them the old shield design and swap the head with a knightly helmet, then it'll look great.
Cool that the new shield has a notch for the lance... oh.
The reinforcing strip is cool IMHO. It looks like it would strengthen the design as far as making it effective armour.
They're a lot cleaner. Wondering if Vandis and the Paladins are getting a remodel too.
I got into Warhammer because of the original Stormcast Eternals. I really like the OG Liberators! I'll get the new starter set and the new Liberators will most probably be in it so I'll end up with a unit or 2 but I'll probably stick with my already painted old ones. Then again I don't have any wielding double hammers...
Maybe we can keep our old heads and just use them in place of the new ones: new bodies w/ old heads.
I get it, but as whole I much prefer these to the old ones, more medieval and gritty, yet it still has that ridiculous high fantasy flair.
Imo the only thing I prefer about the new model is the scale mail groin cover and the speed being on the left hand side.
Now you've said its like world of warcraft style it makes me like the old ones more
Stormcasts had Strikings which are basically equivalent to space marine Foundings. They had different shield designs and shoulderpads to show the striking. A lot of that now seems to be getting lost. Any one interested in what these look like can try searching for Celestial Warbringers Upgrades, Tempest Lords Upgrades or Knights Excelsior Upgrades. There probably were others.
I prefer it, anatomically it looks better than the previous one, if they are remaking the squatted models to look like this then I'll be happy
The lips are giving Overlord from the IDW transformers comics
I think the helmets don't look that bad, they remind me of helmets on Protectors. My problem is with leg armor, as well as shield, and shoulders, as they are exact copy of Vindictors. I would like it if they made these Liberators more unique looking. Right now if you want that, your only option will be conversions, to make them more interesting
I'm a massive fan of helmets that look like faces. I just wish they were a bit more creative with it.
One of those where I don't feel a massive need to rush out and buy a bunch of the new version of the thing. I quite like this new design having said that. I would be very happy if they do this revamp for Judicators as I had held off on picking up the old ones, I like their design a lot less than classic Libs.
I loved the old sigmarines and these new guys look out of place in the high fantasy setting of AOS... Like very grounded powerarmor looking like a near future version of Fallout power armor.
I really like the original Stormcasts, in particular their tankyness. And although I never played AOS, I bought a few boxes of their first wave of release. To me, the general new design makes them lackluster, faceless (pun^^), beanpoles and, if not for their height, but for their looks, watered down to some kind of mortals with an armor that wants to imitate the immortals.
The new helmets look like Forte from the Christmas version of Beauty and the Beast. I can’t not see it.
For the squidward vibes specifically, the art above the model has a way more proportionate feel. Not sure if its the "nose" or something else but the model's head looks elongated almost
Kinda looks like Dr Who Robot Men.
That said... love the armor. I would just do head swaps.
Well, at least they seem to have learnt from the Primaris outcry and are just updating existing models (because they want to sell minis and make all the money) rather than making tons of new ones. I agree with another comment that maybe they’re simplifying them to make them easier to paint, the loincloth added an extra level of difficulty for what would be a beginner’s first model imo
The one with the Topknot is likely the unit's Prime, I do agree, the Norman style nose stripe doesn't suit their helmets at all.
I just can't with the storm cast the closest I came to liking them was when they gave them capes. But the fully metallic and kinda generic armour doesn't cut it for me, it lacks personality but not in a way that let you easily create your own like for the generic space marines
Well they seem more medieval looking than the older models with more figure hugging plate like the later full plate sets. I think they are better looking for the purpose, the older ones are too chunky
For me they look really, really good. Although i can follow you on the shield size.
I always hated painting the tabards of old SC. I paint mine as if they're living statues now anyway so it's not a real issue anymore. I'll be getting the new AoS edition but I'll probably sell the skaven
I think some grey knight/deathwing termie helmets on these guys would be really cool
Not sure about the GKs, but the deathwing helmets would be extremely goofy, they are really elongated to fit the terminator plate.
@@yhormthemidget I think the scale difference would compensate for that a bit, but I won't actually know until they release these models lol
@@torrentstridestudios6928 true. But I still think it will be iffy. At the very least you have to sand off the gorget to put on the huge beanheads, and the big pauldrons might screw with the head positioning. But if you can make it work, it will look awsome.
I wish they'd kept some nods to the old Liberators. I think it't look pretty cool with the loincloth of the old model or perhaps a similiar helmet. I never really liked the scale mail skirt the Vindictor armor.
Looks like the 1998 "man in the Iron Mask"....