Aeschylus Oresteia and Republic 2 for the Doctors
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- čas přidán 20. 10. 2023
- This will be a discussion of the Oresteia as an example of the cultural consequences of ionian physics. Then we will move towards Plato's Republic Book 2.
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You changed my life with your lectures. I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
I first listened to Professor Sugrue’s lectures on the Platonic dialogues 20 years ago. So good seeing him after all these years continuing to educate. Bravo!
Michael, i listen to your marcus lecture while i go to sleep. Youre a great speaker and it's great to see you still doing it.
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Thank you Brother Mike. Almost every time I watch a video of yours I say a prayer for your soul.
In this age that distrgards, if not disrepects, intellectual honesty, or in other words, the pursuit of truth, I cannot thank you enough, Dr. You remind me I am not alone, nor will be. A remnant survives, and you dispel my inclination toward cynicism. May God bless you.
Thank you, Dr Sugrue. Your fine words are always a treat.
Thank you Michael 👍
Mr Sugrue , I hope that you can continue your magnificent talks for many more years to come. You are a rare treasure
Life has picked up since
lockdowns lifted, but I still enjoy these immensely when I have the time. Thank you for everything 🌱♾
Thank you Maestro, you really bring these 'dry' ideas to life, whether the listener is 'educated' or 'uneducated'. Quite a feat and the role of the true philosopher nay 'Pythagorean Musician' that you are. Best wishes in all that you do and for your own good health and for more lectures for us all
I'm so amazed by the lectures of Michael Surgue. Wish you health and intellectual brightness for ages.
Thank you, doc. You have no idea how appreciated you are. Keep kickin’ a$$, sir 🎉🙏✌️😉
Love ya Dr. Sugrue, never had time to take a philosophy class right now finishing my undergrad but I can debate with my friends about the Presocratics to Sartre because of you!! Please stay on channels like this!!
This was 👏🏽 awesome. Having read these plays a couple times, I was able to follow along easier and learned a bit. Thank you, where ever you are Professor 🙏🏼
You’re the best Doc, much appreciated 🙏🏼
Brilliant
I've been deeply studying the 'presocratics' and Aeschylus recently and it's changing my life. Thanks for your continued work!
I'm taking a mythology 101 class as an elective and these videos have nicely kept along with the course content
I watched Judith Anderson play Medea here on yt 😊 Didn't get any of this at school, unfortunately, I'm making up for it a little bit with these lectures. Thank you professor, regards from Italy.
Thank you! I've learned so much from listening to your lectures! I like to mull and ponder over the many ideas and insights you share! You are so adored by so many Professor Sugrue and I am just one more!
Amazing - - summary and commentary !!
Another amazing lecture. Thanks
Many thanks as always for sharing your time and intellect. I am not a medical professional, but I perform restorative treatment and ‘surgery’ to musical instruments, and I am grateful for the opportunity to observe your lectures. It is disappointing to hear that the doctors did not join your recent Zoom meeting, but please know that there are many of us who hang on every word and genuinely look forward to hearing what you have to share. I hope you continue each of the current lecture series on this channel. You are greatly appreciated
Thank you so much again professor
Aeschylus, the Tragician, writer of Greek Tragedy 🎭
*Aeschylus’ Tragedy Trilogy* 🎭 📚✍🏻
1:47 In Ancient Greece & Rome, Politics & Religion were merged together, inseparable
3:45 Tragic Heroes cause some difficulty _for themselves_ , by making unfixable/irrevocable mistakes.
4:27 Ex. Oediupus, the tragic king 👑
5:12 Good intentions can’t fix an unfixable problem
5:43 Particular People, Particular Mistakes. Creating their own labyrinth that they cannot escape. Ending In Death 💀
7:20 Self-Destruction _“by the time you’ve realized you’ve gone to far, it’s too late.”_ 💔😭
7:41 Dysfunctional Families 🩸🪦💀💀
9:04 Female Characters 👧🏻👩🏻👱🏻♀️🧕🏽
10:58 Ex. Clytemnestra, wife of Agamemnon.
13:17 Tragedy 🎭 *Blood Vendetta, Retaliation* 🩸😡
14:29 Orestes, 🩸😡 revenge
17:19 Endless cycle of Bloodletting 🩸😡🩸😡🔄
18:44 _The Eumenides_ restraining with Reason and The Rule of Law.
19:22 Every Scientific Revolution Updates The Whole Culture.
19:43 The Eumenides does NOT end in death. Law is made important.
21:01 The Jury is split in decision, Athena breaks the tie, acquitting Orestes. 👩⚖️🕊️⚖️
22:52 Cognitive, Vocabulary, Legitimation.
*Plato, Plato’s Republic*
23:46 The development of the Platonic Drama 🎭 they cannot be performed. They are meant to be cognition.
24:20
24:47 We start out on a sort of journey. Socrates vs Thursemicus
25:57 (silenced by a third-rate argument 🤭)
26:33 Polemicus and Adamantis
27:18 Glaucon is not satisfied with Socrates arguments. Justice is not pleasant. Doing Justice is not pleasant.
28:10 Unjust Man gets the pleasures. Why is a punished Just Man better off than the heavy pleasures Unjust Man?
30:04 3 Kinds of Good Things:
(1) Health
(2) Work for Pleasure
(3) Justice
31:33 Show us Socrates, that Justice by itself is good!
*The City Is Like The Man* 🏙️👱🏼♂️
33:03 The City Is Like The Man
34:03 Village, Hamlet. Humans are Social Animals, found in Families. Families congregating together to form villages (small economies) (communities)
36:52 Luxury 🏙️🍷💎😵
*Guardians* 🗡️⚔️🛡️🛡️
37:07 Guardians
38:33 Society.
Sheppards 👨🏻🌾
Sheep 🐑 🐑
Dogs 🐕
40:11 Inequality, Greatness, Olympic Competition. Best among all. 🥇
40:58 Be Good Sheppards, Be Moral. Be Ethical. 😇🥺
41:38 If Art leads to Bad Action, it’s Bad Art. Art should lead people to be Good.
41:59 Ex. _Sesame Street_ , a children’s program 📺
+ Caring means Sharing
42:42 Greek Myths are messed up (horrifying tragedies)
*Bronze, Silver, Gold*
🥉The regular people
🥈The Heroes, The Warriors
🥇 The Wise, The Knower
44:37 The Myth of The Metals
47:39 🥇Quasi-Hereditary Priesthood
48:25 Truth is not equally accessed by everyone, people have inequal amounts of truth.
48:40 Rulers must not become arrogant and avaricious, they ought to be moral/noble
📚Thank you, Professor Sugrue.
Thanks for the content mate 🤙
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Wow, you are a bad ass professor…
Thank you so much!
Much love to all…
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Badly want to see Dr Sugrue talk to Jordan Peterson. Survey’s knowledge of history and philosophy would be great for a discussion of religion and faith.
Jordan Peterson is not in the same league when it comes to history..
True @@juliunofaquitaine .I still think it would be interesting. Maybe they could they could discuss the idea of god. whether god is just reason or something else.
@@jacobprout4246 yes that could be interesting, but history and philosophy are not Jordan Petersons expertise..
Thanks Mike! we always appreciate your time and teaching!
see you at the Q&A in a bit :)
I'm on zoom but nobody else is.
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Thank you!!!
Are you a ghost?
Just a genius!!!
Nietzsche moving forward with histories.
@@dr.michaelsugruehow is that possible, I’m definitely going to get on the next one!!
@@dr.michaelsugrue🤣🤣👌Is that a metaphor…? I agree you are a step ahead.. oh s#%t no that is a pun..head up.. plough on my friend👍With you all the way!
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We love ya Dr. Sugrue. I remember you from our overgrad studies..
Dr Sugrue! I listen to your lectures every other day. Thank you so much for allowing us to stand near the sun so to speak. Would love if you could help explain. Luke 16 The parable of the dishonest Manager. Specifically verses 8-10. All the best, Leonard
Thank you!
It's really great to once again hear your lessons on Plato's The Republic as you are now. There is much more elaboration on your explanations here per book as compared to "Athens to Rome/Great Minds" Series. Thank you!
What year was the great minds series
You should do a video about your own personal philosophy. You've read so many philosophers, have you put something together from all of it? One has to imagine that it's somewhat cohesive, even if one or two ideas can't be reconciled. I consider myself a Stoic Buddhist, is there something you would label yourself as?
Thank you!!!🎉
I write this comment before viewing the video only because I am very glad to know that you are still active on this channel and in your lectures, Professor Sugrue:
Having seen (or rather listened to) a number of your video lectures on both the Bible and its meaning as literature and a videos of yours on classic authors, I would be very interested to know your opinions on the Bible and Shakespeare in response to - or opposed to - Harold Bloom.
If there is not much to be said, then fair enough. I only ask this as a layman who has, in his personal journey to understand classic literature, come to respect both you and Harold Bloom greatly, and wonder if there are significant differences in interpretation.
Regardless, thank you very for all that you give to us curious minds on CZcams. You are as good a man as any teacher can be. I hope you are healthy and well.
Apparently, CZcams won't let me edit my comment to fix any typos.... Oops. My layman is showing. Better zip that up.
This sounds like today's society. Thanks again, Professor Sugre.
Poor Gilgamesh. Lol 😊
"Blood Merridian," by Cormac McCarthy, can not possibly be made into a film. If they try, I will sue Hoolywired.
George Orwell's, "Animal Farm." It is not banned yet in my small town library, nor any others yet. No one goes to my library hardly at all. My papa loved libraries and gave me the support of reading.
My cellphone just said that an error occurred. I agree with Professor Harold Blume, Yale Professor of literature at Yale . He did care for computers either.
This is the second time I have listened this one.
Thank you!!
This lecture was so over my head, all I could do was look up, squint my eyes, and try to follow the contrail as it left the atmosphere.
Thank you for all the content. I miss the thematic (I'd say time based, or era based) playlists that I was using to follow along, though. Any chance to redo them? Thanks again
Raucous swag, professor!
Extending Plato's argument, children in the Ideal City should be educated with Sugrue's lessons.
Justice for Clytemnestra! I loved the first play and hated the other two. The first play explicitly mentioned several times - and not just by Clytemnestra herself - her totally justified reason for killing Agamemnon. The other two plays didn't mention it once. The moral dilemma of Libation Bearers should not have been "I might not be able to kill her because she's my mother" but "Everyone tells me I have to do this, but she killed for revenge as well. When will this endless line of revenge killing stop?" And then the third could've been where it stopped, and it was but again it did it in a way that was needlessly insulting to Clytemnestra. With only the most minor changes it really could've been a masterpiece, at least for modern sensibilities, but as it is I only like the first play and lament what the other two plays could've been.
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Y a-t-il une chance que vous fassiez une discussion sur René Girard?
How can we access these Zooms?
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Tantalus The Wise? I thought not. It’s not a story the ethicists would tell you. It’s a Sith legend. Darth Tantalus was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life...
Does anyone know where we can buy his book History of the World? Is it available already?
Cool 😎 shirt :)
I'm new to this channel. Is this man the older version of the professor with glasses, the younger one?
Yes
For seeming the future is to weep in advance
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44:35
Would love to hear your thoughts on the ongoing war in Israel. It might not be your domain, but the philosopher should 'come down' to the physical world and shed some knowledge.
25:25
16:27 It depends on what she did
The title is incorrect. Book 2 + Aeschlylus the Orestia is not for the doctors, it is for the general public. There is another course for the doctors.
3:16 tragedy vs comedy
I always hate it when I have to kill my mother to avenge my father.
Inshallah
Hamdullilah
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21:53 All they did was shift the "vengeance" somewhere else. And the idea that the law holds everyone to the same standard is laughable and even factually incorrect based on real world evidence
Wow, with insights like that I see how you earned your 3 subscribers.
Nothing is perfect in the real world and our current legal frameworks are no the end all be all. You sound like a cynic
Compelled to append another attaboy and add that I wish I'd have discovered you sooner. I would be very interested in hearing you apply any of the stuff for which you have been an interlocutor on our behalf to some of the problematics du jour. That's a lie. What I'd _like_ to do is get soused near you while you were getting soused and feeling didactic, frankly. I trust you understand this is high praise from someone with low character like myself.
Soused?
@@goofyahhh254 Intoxicated with alcohol.
The whole thing was nuanced and filled with wisdo-I’m just kidding I didn’t watch okay bye
Watched or not, you're still right.
He's trans now?
Huh?