"This is not basketball it's business" ... If you making 20 Million you gonna play | Emmanuel Mudiay
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Quinn Synder is a real one for even saying something. Some coaches make you feel like you did something wrong and don't tell you anything.
facts
he's also a below average 3PT shooter and barely league standard FG% and not the greatest playmaker so he wasn't outstanding
@@bjrnthebootybandit he still was done dirty tho. But thats how it is you have to be outstanding to override oppression and a faulty system in this world
@thebucketmanj8525 dude he isn't oppressed
@@bjrnthebootybandit it kind of like is. When people are in the way of your shine. Thats opression. Look up the definition of oppression.
This is literally how life is for everyone, everyday.. you do everything right and it’s still “it is what it is” - only ONLY difference is you’re making a ton of money for it.
EM didn’t get the bag
@@poloregal True, but his career NBA earnings are still north of $15 million.
Well not everyone and the NBA is not different. In the NBA there are like 30 jobs available, if at that. In the corporate world that isn’t near the case. And these fringe guys or journeyman are making closer to leave minimum. It’s not as simple as “well they get paid millions for it”.
TRANSLATION - an adult child
finally grew up @ 27 yrs when his reality hit the wall
something he should have known as a junior in high school
every one in the league has talent, the smart ones tend to stay longer
@@johncapo2843
That wasn't the point of the video at all. 🤦🏾♂️
This def what Cam Thomas is going thru in Brooklyn right now lol
Cam thomas is playing behind better players he need a new situation but he gonna be in the league producing somewhere
@@stack504ham cam better than spencer it’s exactly what they’re saying in the podcast Nets won’t give him that full opportunity due to politics.
@@staydiligent7325
No cam is not better than spencer but cam is a straight bucket two different things but even with that being said I clearly said cam just needs opportunity cuz he can hoop but also cam is way better than mudiay ever was while in the league so is spencer
@@staydiligent7325cam was a ball hog
@@staydiligent7325naw it’s not politics with him, his effort on defense and willingness to hit the open man at times is what kept him on the pine
Basketball has always been a business, most nba players don’t realize this until they make it to the nba because everyone is on the same level until contracts come into play
-- most jobs are a business. In the NBA? They just making a ton more of money for it.
I remember a NFL offensive line player being elite and gettin' paid top dollar (10-20m/yr), and he even said, "This is a job. I'm great at what I do. I don't care for it. I know I got 10-12 years in the league and put my body at risk so i'm going to save up and be comfortable for life."
This is life tho. You work hard but it doesn’t mean you’re guaranteed anything.
Yup. You ain’t guaranteed tomorrow and…….Time waits for NO One!
I had a coach like this in college i got NO run, but i was cooking the “ starters” every practice both offensively and defensively but coach had his guys. Constantly told me you’re a great player “stay ready” but nothing i did was enough.
Dang. And I’ve always heard defense is how to stand out, how to get on the court. Things need to change
That stay ready sht kills me lol. Like you sit here most the season not playing but running and doing drills like the starters and randomly be like get in the game, with like 3 minutes left and be motivated.
@@hoopaswagg what’s the worse is when dudes be jacking and turning the ball over and still get PT, smh. Then we i would play i would be so nervous to mess up i would play within the flow of the game and i would make mistakes. Part of hooping is being able to play free to some degree.
@@lawrencebello6177i got you. Either enter the fam business and make 6 figs or go coach hs kids and i chose coaching for shit jus lyke this
Same. The love of the game hasn’t been the same since then
Theo might not be on a team right now but this podcast been carrying all year my favorite NBA podcast by a player
Over JJ Redick pod, all the smoke and Knuckle heads? Theo pod good too, don’t get me wrong.
I just like his slightly more JJ’s is good though
Appreciate the compliment 🙏 I think it depends Theo is more of a casual conversation around the journey with a lot of laughs and fun. While JJ breaks down the game a lot more.
good point@@RunYourRaceTL
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Great discussion guys! Hope only the best for yall!
Cool thing about social media. We learn so much more what behind the scenes is like.
Actually social media distorts your reality of things and makes you have a predictable perspective on everything.
@@kaekae1782 it’s duality to everything
@@kaekae1782if social media can distort your reality that just means you need don't know much in reality
4:13 I was just about to comment “From afar it looks like Theo going through the same sh!t. But his attitude is what has kept him around
TRANSLATION - an adult child
finally grew up @ 27 yrs when his reality hit the wall
something he should have known as a junior in high school
every one in the league has talent, the smart ones tend to stay longer
@@johncapo2843lmao as a junior in high school? Some MF don’t figure shit out until they 30 years old so how you figured? You don’t know shit about that man
EVERY nba player goes through this. People who belong will adjust & always find their way back. He didn't or COULDN'T.
Really love y'all perspective of the ins and outs of being a role player in the league.
I like these conversations. We see what goes on behind the scenes. You take any of these players and put them in a foreign league and they’re killing it. The same foreign players that can go head to head with people from the US.
I know this is a business but it has to be more basketball than business.
Imagine it like this: you’re writing a play about basketball. To make the scripted match look real, would you hire people that can hoop or not? It’s an entertainment business. Not a business. Huge difference.
This is very well said Emann. It’s love in Dallas.
Imagine going thru this in high school and losing that love early. S/o to the one who fought through it
A lot of ppl saying real life for everyone is like this, but that’s not quite the case. It hits different when you’re playing a GAME that you have honed and yet you have no control over anything.
My college coach did the same thing to me, even when I played good. Except he never pulled me in his office to keep it a buck with me. Instead, when he pulled me in, he said he’d rather lose with “his” guys than win with me.
That shit hurt my pro career. I went overseas and did great but couldn’t get any big contracts because I kept losing out to “…guys who also played D1 but actually have stats”. By my third season (averaging 20 and 8 in Chile) I just gave up. Haven’t really touched a basketball since. I hate it now
I went through this in highschool...
thats crazy bro. did you try and play in Europe?
@@cmoneyno5 man sorry sou had to go through that. Man college and pro is one thing, but to put a kid through that in HIGH SCHOOL is all sorts of messed up. Like no one is getting paid so you should just be playing the best player. Some coaches just liked ruining kids’ careers knowing they had potential smh
@@bjrnthebootybandit I did man. Tried everything. May agent would get contacts from a team and then a week later they’d say they’re signing a guy who was just cut from the Kings. Literally for one team in Argentina they had me and a guy named Frank Williams, who had been playing with the Knicks for a few years and got cut. And had just been cut from a team in China. We’re both there supposedly “trying out”…all he did was a couple of shooting drills (which I killed him in mind you) then he said he didn’t want to do anymore. Next day they sign him. He takes me out to dinner that night and tells me that I’m obviously better than him at this point but the politics is why he got signed. Told me that reputation and how big your agent is always matter more than skill and talent. And he said he was sorry but he has to pay bills, too. That shit really changed my perspective on basketball
@@cmoneyno5same just with football but I’m the work force it’s similar
We need guys like this coaching on the grassroots and college levels to really give these kids the game. Because now the "business" aka the politics of it all starts as early as high school. We need coaches who have been through it and can tell these kids the truth
Man this speaks volumes, the NBA is wicked
The 20mil guard I’m guessing is Mike Conley, and at that time even with Mudiay playing well, I don’t see any team benching Conley for Mudiay
Exactly its not even close and he played on multiple teams with the same results
THANK YOU
talent gets you to the league
your smarts keep you there
when mudiay was on the knicks regardless of how bad the record was the the few wins we did get was a direct cause of HIS GAME. so that comment lacks insight. its up there with cam reddish hate and the obi toppin hate. politics regardless of how good you are decides ones fate in the nba.
@@donp9144using cam and mudiay in a politics argument is crazy cam and mudiay were highly touted in highschool medicore in college, but got picked high strictly off of talent/potential. Your play on the court completely eliminates the politics of the game look at Austin reaves, 4 year senior was likely to be a second round pick but turned that into making a team USA roster and the 3rd best player on a contender. I don’t know how mudiay deluded himself into thinking he fit into that category. But he didn’t pan out because a fault of his own “politics” is just an excuse
na talent keep syou there to more than others@@johncapo2843
I admire his honesty and im glad he is happier, but you cant expect to make that kind of income and not feel the influence and political pressure of the business part.
That's what he's explaining he didn't know that coming up these guys are young and just want to hoop not everybody is schooled on business agents and politics of the game its when you get there you find out, if you have no stewardship tim Duncan the legend and kg got robbed by their agents some people learn the hard way he's just giving a testimony
@shabazzprophet makes sense. If I was 19 in the NBA, I'd had made the same mistakes. However, I think they all go through financial literacy classes as rookies. Not sure how extensive it is.
Played against both of these men in highschool. Killas 💪🏽
Theo played against lower level talent. Wasn't that good
@@wack8589 my boy when I played against theo it was at a event called the chic fil a classic. Some of the best highschool players all over the world at the time was there. A few guys who play in the NBA played in that. I wouldn’t necessarily call that lower level talent.
is you will barton? Lol
@@wack8589Just a lil anecdote, Theo went to my middle school (Southeast Guilford), he was like 3/4 grades ahead of me but I went to all the games cause my sisters were cheerleaders. First ever time I seen anybody in my life dunk. On a middle school court, I kid you not seemed like buddy was jumping from the free throw line and now that I look back at it he was only like 12/13 at the time. Crazy.
Mudiay didn't have the mental make up to be a great player and this interview confirms it.
Now he wants to blame everyone else for his downfall
Yall so jealous it's crazy yall projecting cause mans didn't say that
@@wack8589 he’s making very reasonable points tho. You can’t disregard them lmao
You have to be down with the brotherhood. The G
Shoutout Theo Pinson man one of my favorite Heels of all time! Ik he can play & be that scrappy lead guard
It really does suck but it just is what it is. I'm sure every person who has ever made it to the NBA grew up with that vision of the clock counting down with the ball in their hands to take the final shot. You then do all the things you need to do to make it to the NBA, the league where that dream you had growing up takes place, just to end up not even being to get minutes because another guy who makes money is also on the team, and the best your coach can do is basically tell you that his hands are tied
Found out the difference between Basketball and PRO basketball. Its Professional Ball for a reason
Context clue ( Professional Basketball )
TRANSLATION - an adult child
finally grew up @ 27 yrs when his reality hit the wall
something he should have known as a junior in high school
every one in the league has talent, the smart ones tend to stay longer
Na it's a business entertainment and a popularity contest
@@johncapo2843 yea but you gotta think most NBA players are the best player on every team theyve been on until that point. To just be told "Your not playing" can be traumatizing and demotivating but you are correct that the SMART players know this coming in and GREAT players transend that obstacle..
We grew up playing basketball but the NBA is sports entertainment!!
Tough ..& theo had some big games in Dallas. Looked like a good fit.
when?
@@johncapo2843 last season, I think it was the last month or so. Before they tanked
I’d take this 1000 percent over dealing with corporate America
I just went through this playing my first season of ABA .. team was 4-4 before I joined .. we finished the season 14-5, ending on a 10 game winning streak .. I averaged 20ppg, 3 rebs, 4 asst, 1.5 stls .. championship game was this past Sunday and I played 6 total minutes! I was shocked and hurt .. not to mention we lost by 30 .. bad coaching and politics can truly ruin a team/player/season 🤦🏾♂️
I can relate went thru this same stuff in D1 football
Emmunial mudiay was the 7th pick, he legit has no excuses outside of his own play😂
He stunk. He couldn't dominate better talent. Didn't work on his game
He the type to blame everything else but him. He should have dominated out the gate but expects playing time behind an established starter in the league because he’s cooking him in practice? Poor millionaire..
He said he fell out of love with game. That is taking some responsibility. His coach said he did everything right .? That will send most into a mental breakdown.
@@wack8589he had 30 versus Booker, scored 24 in a quarter, and 34 versus Kemba Walker as a Knick. In Utah, Mudiay was actually respectable. Mudiay was viewed all throughout his Nuggets stint to be a blanket to ensure Murray grows because Murray was really Denver's cornerstone point guard. They cannot utilize the strengths of his game because their bench was bad plus Will Barton was taking away his touches.
This is the reason why I stopped pursuing professional basketball- I was playing pro in the TBL league and you have to remember these teams have to produce money / sell tickets - My minutes we’re going to a 5’9 guard that had a big instagram following- smh this is when basketball becomes frustrating dealing with the politics
Dang that’s crazy, this is side of sports you don’t see or hear about.
💯
TRANSLATION - an adult child
finally grew up @ 27 yrs when his reality hit the wall
something he should have known as a junior in high school
every one in the league has talent, the smart ones tend to stay longer
@@johncapo2843bro get a life you commenting this under every body post 😂
Facts he’s saying big big facts.. this is a business
Emmanuel Mudiay? Yoooo he don’t even look the same
You mean you didn’t watch him play as much 😂 he look the same his hair just grow
Dude had so much potential but couldn’t learn how to shoot consistently therefore being unable to truly open up his game
@@maxdubs2241 he came into the league 2015 right when Curry range shooting became a priority. He never adjusted almost everyone that plays his position/role has a 35%+ three ball
I want to clear things up a little bit. What he is saying is true to an extent. There are politics in professional sports but at the end of the day, the name of the game is winning. Winning is good business, and if you’re good enough, you will be on the court! He may have been more talented than certain players on the team but he may not have been exactly what the team needed. It is that simple!
also in Utah they were trying to trade Mike Conley, if they benched him he would have lost value (also no way Mudiay better than Mike lol)
And EM was a ball dominant scorer who wasn’t elite or a starter. Most teams look for role players e.g 3+D archetype and it didn’t seem like he could fit into a role that helped the team.
They gave this brother the keys in New York and I can only remember two or so games where he shined.
He was 2 way playmaker for the Knicks. Payton and him.
What he won’t talk about is him being the 7th overall pick and not being able to shoot the ball efficiently. He had keys handed to him in Denver and he didn’t maximize his potential. You can keep the excuses it is what it is. Stand on that
That's why he is out the league the dude wouldnt even take accountability........ not only was you drafted , but you also had the keys handed to you and even when that didnt work out you still had multiple opportunities to still be in the league....... it's clear dude didnt figure it out the nba...... dude thought just because he was cooking dudes in practice it was gonna be easy.......
Will never forget that tough ass buzzer beater he had on the sixers
Hilarious he’s talking about Mike Conley in 2019-2020
That's why heatculture be hitting different
He wasn’t destroying his opponent in practice.!!!
This one my favorite player when he was in high school
It makes total sense he didn’t love it, you could tell by how he played.
TRANSLATION - an adult child
finally grew up @ 27 yrs when his reality hit the wall
something he should have known as a junior in high school
every one in the league has talent, the smart ones tend to stay longer
@@johncapo2843He didn't work on his game. Got that money and lost his focus. Now, wants to blame everybody else
That's not what he said
@@johncapo2843he should have known as a junior in high school? Ridiculous
Eman been good for so long it probably was a shock that he wasn’t the greatest and he shrunk from competition and ran from the grind
This is deep
It’s facts both of theses guys are ballers in high school
Theo Pinson was Cold asf at NC THE LEAGUE BE BLACKBALLING
This man needs a reality check. Conley, Donovan and Jordan Clarkson were all objectively better than him, and the only one making over $20 million that season was Conley, who was an all star the following season. This isn’t a conspiracy theory. He just wasn’t as good as he thinks he is.
It's business!
Yeah im grabbing it now
Respect to all the driven folks in the comments. Stay great.
Man this why I kinda stopped trying to play college basketball. I was better than some dudes but bc coach gotta long relationship with you and kno ya family he looking out for the cookout. Freshman in HS I worked harder than a lot of mfs but had to “pay my dues” bc ima freshman
What happened to me in high school was I was balling out but I kept getting benched for other players come to find out my high school only played the players that payed to play on his aau travel team that killed my love of the game for me
@@justinmonk3522 man that’s a real kick in the nuts dawg, sorry that happened to you
@@justinmonk3522The only people that got playing time on my highschool team was children of the faculty or booster club kids
@@justinmonk3522 forreal and the crazy thing is the coach knows this but he try to lie and say the reason why you not playing because you not good enough. Knowing good and well thats not the reason why you not playing.
@@xlj12345678901 appreciate it bro
He’s probably referring to Mike Conley
Real basketball fans know it’s real politics involved some people have a whole career on the floor and others have to fight just to touch it …. We watch these players since high school probably even earlier and in this social media area we literally see the work they putting into the game in real time so that bust stuff isn’t as transparent anymore …. Teams will draft a player knowing their game and not appreciate their game …. They’ll drop people in the g league and completely forget about them , they’ll starve them of playing time and highlight every mistake they make when they do get a little …. Only a few teams in the league excel in developing young talent the rest play mind games chew players up and spit them out … for the sake of the team and business…. It’s funny how all this happens to players who love the game just as much as the stars getting the spotlight and everyone alike just writes it off but the whole NBA community advocates for mental health when the higher ups and fans alike are really truly causing it
That’s real. Politics in basketball is so dumb to me
Fam during that Process Era..... I wanted you on the Sixers... keep working bul
I don't make any value judgment regarding the mindset of any particular player or of one era vs. another. However, I think that long time basketball fans sense that today's players don't love the game, on average of course, compared to players from the past. All sports have more competition now from the increase in entertainment options, international sport like soccer, MMA, etc., but NBA ratings are way down over the last 20 years. That's not good for the game and I think the feeling that today's players don't really love the game has something to do with the reason that March Madness is so huge. It just seems like the college players care more about the game. When they lose they look devastated. They have that fire in their eyes we remember from the Celtics/Lakers/Pistons playoff games. This is a problem that the NBA needs to deal with and I don't claim to know how to do that. It's possible that some of today's players would never have been pros in the 80s given the lower salaries. Maybe you had to really love the game to play for 250k a year (which was still a pretty good salary in the 80s or even for anyone today aside from tech CEOs, surgeons and athletes).
God is good. God bless
This is how I felt when i started playing college football lol.
Man thats why you got to be so good where they undeniably cant ignore you.
Nah I just wasn’t good enough
@@thebucketmanj8525if a coach has favorites and don’t like you personally even that won’t be enough to get you the shot u deserve . Tough
He gotta be talking about Mike Conley Jr.
Mudiay was supposed to be a top 5 PG imo ,but i 100% get not wanting to play the "industry games "
You got the wrong sources lol never heard that before
@@andrew15stewart Mudiay was praised as the top pure PG in his draft & was a lottery pick. Saying he was expected to be a top10-15 PG isn't farfetched, but top 5 is pushing it 😅.
@@andrew15stewart czcams.com/video/wH8JGChhEjE/video.htmlsi=xQZX48uO917YMw0M
I’m not a casual fan
They all play the industry games even if they don't fully make it
@@mxhughes can’t say I disagree but at the same time I don’t have the opportunity to change my life forever playing a game.
I can commend him for seeing it for what it was and stepping away
This is why I have no issue when players push to get paid in their respective leagues.
How do the greats stay at the top.. what’s the difference??
Business is cutthroat no matter how you look at it. I guess for the NBA it’s super strict; 15 guys to a roster so there’s little room for error. Guys at the end of the bench are probably grinding in practice every day just to keep their spots.
There’s actually PLENTY of room for error when you’re making more than certain other players as Emmanuel said 😅
Must depend on the organization because every year there are random dudes and undrafted guys that get a shot and end up with a contract
And then you have guys like evan fournier sitting on bench for 2 seasons straight and he costing the team millions
Bruh you playing behind Conley !
He found its control
If they saying that now just imagine how it was in the 90s. Players were literally controlled on the court and business-wise.
Mike Conley was way faster , could shoot , and had winning experience from playing in Memphis he definitely was going to get 20 mil n minutes
damn that really mf sucks, im sittin here really feelin for mudiay… i used to rock wit bro on 2k n all and when he disappeared i did no research and just wondered but hearing this hurts the heart man… losing love for basketball in basketball’s highest stage… i can’t even imagine
this is the 4th podcast in 2 days where I heard a player say this
remembered dude from prime prep
Guess doing the grind to convince them is pointless, go where you are loved only.
I always followed him and wonder cause I’m from Dallas also but say it’s same thing at work to Brodie
I went to the Jordan classic game that he played in the Barklay and he was the best player on the court easily
no he was not
he was the flash
best players make the league and stay in the league
athletes flash, then crash
@@johncapo2843 dam you said that cause basketball take so confidently lol
Not true……it depends on the coach and situation for example Evan Fournier makes 19 million a year and is out the rotation
Evan didn’t just sign that deal over the summer. Think you have to take in account when the deals are signed as well. Like when Luol Deng signed his deal. He was getting paid for years after that initial sighing bt wasn’t getting playing time because it was clear his abilities weren’t up to par
There’s always gonna be an exception
I slick thought that was Corey Holcomb in the thumbnail for a little while
I mean, Jordan Clarkson a hooper too
The "so and so" he said Quin Snyder would play ahead of him seems like Mike Conley but it's probably Jordan Clarkson on Bogdan Bogdanovic
What he is saying is the Cam Thomas situation with my Nets
Yea but i feel like if you’re really that much better than your peers and/or your game fits the team and times. You will get paid more and therefore play more. Mudiay was good but maybe his game didn’t stand out or fit what a team needs for them to what to pay/play him more?
That is basketball and life! Happens all the time at the playground or Gym The hoopers dont always get picked up guys tend to pick up players they’re comfortable with. A couple book suggestions for this topic:
‘The 48 Laws of Power’
By Robert Greene
‘How to win friends and influence people’
by Dale Carnegie
‘The art of the deal’
By Donald fj Trump
‘Think and Grow Rich’
By Napoleon Hill
Just to name a handful.
Visualize what you want to become write a plan and execute take Action.
Focusing on what you want rather then what you do not want.
“The grass you water will be the greenest”
Will make a list. Thanks man. And if you didn’t already know, Jesus Loves You
I thought he’d be so good. 6’5 pg from a mid major d1 school and overseas
This is probably what Ben Simmons been feeling like
Bro had work
I thought it was Corey Holcomb 😂
Being a really good player on AAU teams growing up many dont have to see the business side until they get to. Some high schools, college and Professional sports. Spending 10+ yesrs like that is hard for anyone to adjust as you have been succeeding and not being denied opportunities because you know you deserve it and are putting the work in.
I find it funny that a guy who went to play pro basketball in China as a teenager to get paid suddenly doesnt love the business of basketball when it no longer suits him...sounds like major denial and lack of accountability
BINGO
Ding ding ding
How is that even comparable tho lol? First off he went to China for family reasons and was not going there to spend his career. If he went China and didn’t ball out and was on the bench getting paid i hear you. But he wasn’t.
@newrecruit100 He didn't ball out in China he got injured an only played 10 games lol and I'm sure in the CBA there was plenty of players who understand the league is better when American players come to play I'm sure plenty of them felt personally that they are more deserving of a roster spot then an 18 year old who's leaving in a few months but that's business so hearing his little story about averaging 7 points then getting benched sounds hollow 😂 the business of basketball was fine when he was a top pick and a top player in the country now that he's a 13th man shits unfair 🤣🤣🤣
That's not the full picture.
Yes, went to China to get paid and support his family. NIL wasn't a thing at his time like it was no.
Had he gone D1 and did a one and done what difference would that of made? I'm sure there would still be people accusing him of playing for the money
Theo is a Goat 🐐🔥🔒🗣💪👑
Huh?
Goat at what 🤔
At least you made it to the NBA. Be grateful
All of a sudden the way some nba players act makes sense
Kenny Atkinson a real one tho
Now y’all See what goes on behind the scenes some ppl choose to go overseas for this very reason
He wouldn’t be saying this if he was still in the league ‼️
This isn’t the “business part of it”…. There’s a high school coach in every city saying the exact same thing to a player right now. We’re just looking at a player who has prolly been the best growing up and got to the NBA and found himself in a position where so many get to with basketball. There was probably somebody he started above in hs that was in the same situation - Good enough to play but Quick got all the minutes!
Man I thought this thumbnail was Corey Holcomb lol
Long story short he was in his feelings, and didn't understand NBA business/politics
Dude getting emotional instead of getting that check
Every year there is a draft ,and every team has 15 players in roster. What do you think will happen? The player that was good to make the roster will no longer be good no matter what the following year because someone younger or better is coming. That's the name of the game.
rinse wash and repeat.. great comment! the old cars get put in auctions when the lot cant fit them because the new cars come and cars that used to be new are now the pre-owned or used and the ones that are from the 90s most times are put in auction or if its very special kept somewhere off the lot or all the way in the back or garage.. like udonis haslem.. the oldest car that was special to the owner but eventually they had to let go of it.. to make room for a shipment of new cars.. its like instagram models and baddies.. they get pushed aside for younger baddies and models once they become old and used..
It’s time for the NBA to expand with more teams for players like them and for young players just rotting on the bench the rockets and the pistons , OKC , etc got too much young talent to be wasting