What Are The Falcons Thinking? (Grossi Perna Show)
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- čas přidán 25. 04. 2024
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Despite signing Kirk Cousins to a 4-year/$180 million contract during Free Agency, the Atlanta Falcons selected QB Michael Penix 8th overall in the 2024 NFL Draft. Brandon Perna & Tom Grossi discuss.
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I actually feel bad for Penix
Why he gets to learn behind one of the best playing currently
@@SunShine-xc6dh 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Coraxery maybe try opening you eyes in stead if closing them before laughing 😃
@@SunShine-xc6dhWell one, Cousins had no idea they were taking a QB and is reportedly pissed, so I doubt Penix is learning anything from him. And two, he's probably not going to be the starting QB in Atlant until he's almost 30 now.
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To me it's not the pick that doesn't make sense, it's the paying a 35 year old coming off a torn Achilles 100 million.
I agree. Penix has a higher upside than most people are saying. I think we should’ve tried to sign a game manager like Gardner Minshew, but Penix is a good pick. Also, it’s way more likely that there’s a generational defensive player lower in the draft than a generational quarterback. I think we’ll finish out drafting mostly defense and we’ll be fine.
Its not that surprising, if you don't have a decent QB, you'll be fired within a year or two as a HC/GM
@@reecypeecy9909 HEY! Hands off one half of the Marvelous Mustachio bros.
I don't think that contract is that bad in the current environment. The pick absolutely doesn't make sense IMO. Anyone picking Penix in the first round anywhere is not a good choice simply due to his age, injury history, and the other available options. Is he a great story? Absolutely. That's irrelevant. Great college player. But it's just a bad investment in the first round even not considering the situation on the rest of the team.
Picking a quarterback is reasonable to me considering Kirk Cousins' age and his having recently a torn an Achilles. But, as Grossi and Perna pointed out, why pay him SO. MUCH. MONEY if you're that concerned? Make it make sense.
Breaking News: Kirk Cousins injured from punching the air
😂😂😂😂😂
Michael Penix: “Don’t worry, I’ll save th… Ow! Never mind, I just broke my jaw from talking”
Perna if anyone should know two QB:s are better than zero. Atlanta sure seemed to learn their lesson only after two horrible years.
A bunch of rich guys in Atlanta are forcing their Penix on their Cousins.
Doesn't sound good on the first pass.
Good, No. But fitting for Georgia? Absolutely.
Underrated comment
It’s the South.
Or as they call it, Tuesday.
So that mean Kirk Cousins MVP season?!?!?!?
No
How the hell would he accomplish that
2 mvps and I could see a NFC championship disappointment in the near future
It means Kirk Cousins a 9-digit backup
Prandon Berna
The question nobody is asking is at what point did Atlanta complete their evaluation of Penix? I can't imagine they decided paying Cousins and drafting Penix was the plan all along. I would love to know at exactly what point did they decide to draft Penix?
This pick remember me of Brett Favre's Pick: This Draft will sting in the Arse for Years to come
Feels a lot like the Love pick too. Love was picked in the 20s, but everyone forgets they traded up a few spots to get him.
is the sound a little messed up for anyone else
Yeah, a bit skippy
In a couple of years it will either be a genius move or one of the biggest blunders.
I am pretty confident they picked Penix with the intention of trading him to another team for 2+ players. After all, 2+ > 1.
Nice thought though
So after sitting on this decision for almost 24 hours and listening to the Falcons explain this, here is my line of thinking that im assuming the Falcons went through. They needed a QB backup because they wanted to avoid the QB drought we had after Ryan left. So they intended to get Penix at some point in the draft like round 2 or trade to ensure they'd get him after another much needed player. When they saw the amount of QBs being drafted early on. I assume that they made the call when they were on the clock to pull the trigger. Im more ok with it than i was last night. I am extremely hesitant but open to the idea. Especially since we've done the same shit for a while now. So doing something different might be good... or im too numb to the bullshit idfk lol.
Penix gonna be working with the Oline on Tuesdays to set up the blitz packages and have to relay all that to Cousins every Wednesday when he decides to come into the building. Imagine drafting a guy that you have to pay like 20 mil a year to do Cousins job on his day off that's wild.
As a saints fan, I loved the pick for the falcons. 😎 this entire offseason I was wondering which edge rusher the saints were gonna face twice a year 😂
As a Falcons fan I love your below average offensive football team let’s see is Carr can have a better season than Kirk pass rusher yours is in a neck brace 😂😂😂😂 I love y’all free agent sign
@@wilbertbarrett433 bro do you English?
As a Bears fan both of your teams STINK 😂😂😂
The crazy thing is not only the money you spend on Cousins, then draft a QB that has a worse injury history than he does…
Why not draft protection for him since the draft was loaded with OLine, OR maybe draft the first Defensive pick of the draft since their D was terrible last year?
The only way I can see it make sense is that the first two seasons of Cousins’ deal isn’t too oppressive.
2024 cap hits - Cousins $25M, MPJ $4m
2025 cap hits - Cousins $40M, MPJ $4.5m
Having a total spend of $29M and $45m for your Top 2 QBs over the next two years isn’t too bad for all injury/form contingencies/flexibilities.
2026 then becomes a weird pivot point. Cousins (Age-38) has one more season until he can opt out and that season’s a $57.5M cap hit for him. 🤷♂️
Penix was the best qb in college last year, that should be worth something
Im gonna play devils advocate here a bit. What if the NFL takes away the falcons 1st round pick in 2025 due to the tampering? What if Kirk has another bad injury and he retires? In case if that happens, you have a solid young guy in Penix (if you're going by packers logic the pick should have been JJ) and you don't skip a beat at QB in a win now mode. We all saw how Rodgers went down and the Jets had no answer at QB. Their answer was just traded to the broncos last week. Its smart by Atlanta so that you don't pull a 2023 jets and you have your future after Kirk
Fair, but what if he's just like Desmond Riddler?
@@matthewhenningervonada9914 given the tape between penix and ridder. Penix blows ridder out of the water. They would have to pull a patriots to ruin penix
This is fair, but still means the falcons are idiots for tampering.
So it’s either stupidity, or trying to make up for stupidity. Either way fans should be pissed.
@@TheCoopMan yeah, I don’t agree with the pick. Even if they wanted a QB, they should have gone JJ. They even had the capability to take Dallas turner which should have been their pick
@@EvanOrNBZ Or a Bears.
First of all as a Packers Fan we did do this TWICE!! and it work, Pay a Vet and develop a Rookie and Denver is Paying a Vet more Money than Cousins and he is not on the Roster it would be nice to get something out of Paying Russell all that money, if he was there to help with Bo he only won a SB and Two NFC Championships. At least Atlanta still has their wash up QB on the Roster to help Develop the Rook.
Petition to get Toma new mic
Is what happens when the owner wants to affect the picks. I feel bad for Penix and Cousins too tbh.
Tbf, the Vikings hopes heading into this offseason was that we would both resign Cousins and draft a QB to train a year or two behind him - which isn't too different than Atlanta.
The _difference_ is:
1) The Vikings weren't going to pay Cousins anywhere close to 4-year/$180 million. Falcons GREATLY over-payed AND may cost them draft picks next year.
2) The Vikings weren't going to draft an older QB like Penix who also has injury concerns. Our top targets were either Maye or McCarthy. Falcons chose Penix over McCarthy.
3) Cousins' cap hit meant that we were always just kind-of treading around the Wild Card Bubble instead of being a true contender, so losing him may have jump-started a much-needed rebuild of our roster. Plus we get Dallas Turner to compete to be our Danielle Hunter replacement... whom the Falcons snubbed at Pick #8.
Saints fan and this pick will prove you all wrong 4/26/2024
All i can think is either they are thinkong about potential trade value, or they severly do not pay attention to how the packers actually work it out with their qbs
My question is that if they were going to switch QBs and get a young QB while looking to the future, why not just trade with my bears for Justin Fields (who’s only a year older than Penix) rather than paying Kirk a boatload and drafting a guy for the future?
My answer is Fields sucks.
fields rookie deal is ending soon so it doesnt look like they had enough faith in him to be a franchise guy. so they go get a proven qb
Penix should be the starter
yeah but the thing with the packers is they didnt know if Aaron was going to retire he always threaten that he might. The Falcons know Kirk isnt going to retire soon and if he does in 3-4 years you can always get another QB possibly in FA as a placeholder, or become a Baker situation where he is good enough to start for you for another 1-2 years or you draft or move up in the draft to get a QB. All you did was now you pissed off the locker room and the QB at the same time.
The Falcons tampering charge better be a first.
yeah or Brady
They drafted Penix for the playoffs
Penix was a great pick up. Regardless of if it’s 20 or 8. They could have traded down YES, but Raiders probably wanted him.
Cousins was a stupid pick up
Toms audio was very choppy for me in this vid.
It would’ve made a lot more sense if they did McCarthy instead of Penix
IMO drafting Penix could turn out to be a brilliant move. Signing Cousins for that amount of money was the bad decision here
LMFAO Matt Millers pro comp for Penix is Tua. Holy.... That dude is either blind or trolling.
Keep hearing "They could've traded back" - says who? The infamous 'trade back' requires a team coming up who DOESN'T want to take the player you want. The teams that wanted to move up, wanted a QB
They’re not taking any chances, gotta respect them for that
Do the falcons realize you either pay a qb a ton of money and draft well with high impact players on rookie contracts or win while your qb is on their rookie contract and be able to spend money at other positions and they had the opportunity to do that cause all their skill players are on rookie contracts and just draft penix instead of paying cousins and be able to get a Wilkins, queen or greenard or any free agent defensive player
So the Brett kollmann thing that Tom mentioned (it was actually EJ not Brett) goes like this:
Falcons will receive a punishment for tampering in free agency to get cousins.
The theory EJ proposed is that the Falcons believe this punishment will be losing their first round pick next year.
If Kirk doesn't work out, the falcons will want to get a new QB through the draft (because of cap space limitations), but won't be able to use their first rounder to do so and they'll have to wait until the year after (2026) to try and get one.
This way if Kirk works out and the falcons succeed, no one really kills them for getting a QB and if he doesn't, they already have a backup plan which they would've had to wait 2 seasons to get instead of the usual 1.
Why they made this decision is anyone's guess. Maybe they really didn't like the day 2 QB's AND really didn't like the 2026 QB draft class, maybe they have extremely reliable Intel from within the NFL, maybe they think penix is just that dude. But that was EJ's theory about the logic behind the pick
I keep trying to see the Falcons perspective on this but I keep coming back to the fact it is a GIANT WASTE OF RESOURCES....
Their perspective is that they saw what happened to the Jets last year. Season over in 10minutes. No Plan B.
If you think the $100million they spent on Cousins is a waste, it’s going to be an even bigger waste if he goes down again or isnt the same QB anymore.
If he ends up being good no one will be complaining about rhis pick. Cousins is only there to make the team look competent, also penix will push cousins to play the best he can. Its like when the pats drafted jimmy g and when green bay drafted love, both pushed starting qb to play their best football, and with love greenbay got a franchise qb.
Not the same at all bro. Favre was old and had been with the franchise. Same as jimmy g. Tom Brady was there and had been with the franchise. Kirk has never been with the falcons. He also signed a 4 year contract worth 180 mill. Let the dude get on the field before you look to replace him. This made no sense at all
@@rozzey1321 Kirk is old too and only half the contract is guarantied they could start him for two years then dump kirk.
@@jameswinslow8540 bro 100 mill is guaranteed. That’s a lot for a two year starter one and if that’s your plan you’re at number 8 why not go that route in the first place ?
@@rozzey1321 They can pay him that in the first two years he makes 45 million a year. After the first 2 years they only have 10 million on the books if they want to cut him.
@@jameswinslow8540 bro that’s fine it’s still too much and qb was not a need. Defense was. If you’re not looking to build around what you have your already setting your team up for failure.
My only justification is that ATL has 3 key arguments that ALL need to be true for it to make a lick of sense:
1. Kirk's injury is worse than they thought when they paid him.
2. The best way to get your future franchise QB is to sit him for a few years to develop.
3. They're losing picks next year that they would have needed to get a good QB in the draft.
Only if all 3 of those are true does it make sense for them to think "ok, well we may need to have insurance on our Kirk Cousins decision, and we need to do that now because we think we'll be screwed trying to recover from this decision later" which is still, at best, scary to be so concerned that you messed up with a major contract.
True, but the guy they picked has a worse injury history than Cousins. So they've potentially shot themselves in both feet.
Handing Kirk that much money coming off an Achilles injury when he hasn’t done anything in the league except get handed Justin Jefferson, is VERY crazy.
Falcon fan here. First thing I said after the cousins signing was we still need a qb. People are so stupid. We have a great young receiving core. We added Mooney and Rondale Moore. Cousins is 36 coming off an Achilles tear. Hopefully he makes it through this season. Sure we could’ve used odunze. And we damn sure need a pass rusher. But the way we’re set up right now we’d probably make the playoffs a couple years and then be desperate for a qb again. Completely wasting the young talent we have on offense. Penix secures a winning future.
Penix is insurance or a savings account and actually forward thinking. Better to to be a good team with depth at QB than a great team with risks at QB. We won’t know if this was smart or not for years
its Cousins first year with the Falcons, he just got off a torn achilles, you need someone in the wings, this isnt as crazy as everyone is making it out to be. the more crazy story is Belichick
It actually is as crazy if not crazier than people are making it seem. You give Kirk 100 mill in guaranteed money. You could have gone with a bridge option like Gardner minshew for 10 mill and picked up 😊defensive pieces. Danielle hunter, Christian Wilkins Jonathan grenard all pieces that could have been had for some of that money. Nope you pay it all to Kirk which is fine. But now you go to the draft and could have gotten a generational defensive talent and you go with a back up qb ? So you strike out on defense not only in free agency but also in the draft. Not to mention Kirk is signed for at least 3 years. That’s 3 more drafts even if you don’t get someone next year you can try the year after. Then let’s look at who they picked. Michael penix jr. he’s a great player but he’s the player that was injured the most out of all these QBs and that’s who you’re going to have back up a guy coming off an injury. So what if he comes in and gets injured after a few games? You have to go to free agency or trade for another guy. Then he’s 24 he will be 28 when he gets a chance to play that’s old. This sets the franchise back. But hey it’s not my team 😂
@@rozzey1321 if the falcons don‘t have a QB who can use Kyle Pitts, Drake London, Bijan Robinson , who were all top 10 picks , effectively, it just makes no sense to have bad quarterback play in terms of past draft planning to current day. To me its clear that the falcons have been building exactly for a moment like this, because the NFL is an offensive league, so we just bought the best insurance to have for years to come. If offence doesnt score , then the defensive efforts are worthless. Offence gives momentum .
The fact we payed Kirk so much ?
Well thats just how NFL works today, with them huge cap spaces. It will keep on growing , so the qb‘s will always make more money since its the most valuable position. Even Daniel Jones got like 45M$ contract and dude is decent at best.
@@jetmirkorani852 bro your not going to convince me that this wasn’t the dumbest decision ever so stop. Even when you go get insurance you go get insurance that protects you. Tell me how does an injury prone old rookie help you as insurance ? Two you have no defense how can you tell people you going all in to win it all then you go make a move for the future. That makes no sense. All that tells fans is you don’t know what you’re doing and you have no real plan. The point you just made is exactly why the decision is dumb you said if the falcons don’t have a qb who can use those weapons then it would be crazy right? That’s what we thought Kirk was. So you have all those weapons you go get a guy who knows how to use them, why go get another of the same guy ? Insurance is not the 8th overall pick. insurance is the 3rd or 4th round after you filled much needed holes. 8th pick is starter not insurance.
Grossi needs to check his microphone. Btw: how can you tell somebody, that you do not trust him? Falcons: here we go!
According to Spotrac, Kirk Cousin can be released after two years. Have Penix sit for at least two years, develop and look to the future. People need to chill
The problem is that he doesn't need to develop. Outside of Williams, he's arguably the most NFL ready QB in the draft. He's played in college for 6 seasons.
Once two years is up, Penix will be 27-28 and on the third year of his rookie deal. If Cousins stays for the full term, Penix may not be the starter until he's 29-30, and the rookie contract is basically gone.
The only way this would've worked out well publicly (and potentially internally) is if they never signed Cousins in the first place. It basically shows that they wasted $100 million guaranteed on something they didn't need.
I legit think they're worried about getting a QB in before the franchise somehow goes further to shit. They've got Cousins and Taylor Heinicke, two NFL starters who have experience among a wide range of defenses, but are both over 30. To play the devils advocate, I suspect they saw something in him that they think will allow them to coach him for a few years and have him reach the level they want. However, unless we see a contract detailing how much he's being paid (and it showing he's taking a reduced salary), this is unfounded. All I can say is, let's see what he can do. He's got a lot to prove and I want to see him rise.
Wtf are you even talking about
I really think Perna is wayyyy off with this. He cant comprehend actually trying to develop a guy behind a good QB instead of waiting for your good QB to retire then pick a guy destined for failure. (shout out broncos) Why wait until they need a QB in 2-3 years just to wait even LONGER because chances are that guy wont be ready year one either when you can have 2 years of Kirk and if all goes well a long time of Penix. QB is the most important and premium position in football so I don't understand why so many teams handle them like good QBs just grow on trees and that "Well, we will just draft another in 3 years if this guy doesn't work". That's how trash teams stay trash.
Falcons are trash.
They blew up both Super Bowls they’ve been in. Besides that their history is pretty irrelevant.
They will stay trash if they keep paying QBs like Cousins 100+M$
Brock osweiler. Remember that?
Found the idiot
funny how the people who know nothing say bad move but your top gms and scouts say good move hmmmm
here is a theory. the tampering thing is what drove this pick. lets say the league wants to punish them with a 1st round next year. Here is the theory the league allows the Falcons to void his contract for a lesser penalty, kirk is now a free agent and the Giants sign him since some thought they would Draft QB. instead of Nabers. Way out there theory but it is the NFL you never know
They made it so all the qbs would be gone by 13
They lose their first round pick next year for tampering, this pick was a precursor just in case they can’t draft a replacement next year
Maybe they were thinking of getting a new QB but the class for next year isn’t supposed to to be great and then you are waiting for two years to get your next ‘guy’ it was the wrong pick at the wrong time with the right thought in mind?? Sympathies to Falcons fans
I don’t understand why this is a big deal I LOVE KIRK however Hess old and he had a season ending injury last year even if Kirk says health Michael can develop if he doesn’t you aren’t in the same boat as the Vikings
Packers made this same move twice and no one complained half as much.
Even if hes insane you wasted 130 mil so it is dumb no matter what happens
The real person should be pissed is Taylor Heinke
Only negative is his age. If he was 20-22 nobody would have a issue with it but cousins
My guy you were celebrating picking bo nix
Hate it for Penix
Why didn't they draft J.J if they were gonna pull a Packers
Good point.
They'll be trading him in a couple seasons
the way the QBs were going, there was no way he was going to make it to the second round, i think that made the falcons scared when they really wanted him
There are going to be quarterbacks available to draft after Cousins career has ended why draft one now why???! We could have had a ferocious pass rusher for right now for Pete's sake! This is airheaded!
This pick shows that their plan is to develop Penix over the next 3 years and dump Kirk before his 4th year. Cousins got paid, but the Falcons f'ed him from winning over the next 3 years.
As a Buc Fan, I fully approve of this pick. It's Raheem doing Raheem things. And please...Falcons...KEEP FONTENOT! We want to keep winning this division. Thanks in advance!
You will eat those words at the end of this upcoming season, remember this !
Nah, I think this was a smart play by Atlanta.
This is an insurance policy that's all. I don't understand why this is even news. Keep in mind that there was 66 QB'S that started last year. What does that tell you? And he's coming off of an injury. It's a win win for everyone involved.
Penix is more injury prone than Cousins is. He's had two acl surgeries, as well as both shoulders operated on in 6 seasons of college football.
Achilles injuries and acl injuries are on par for the worst injuries to have for athletes. So they're didn't really put in a health backup.
It’s news because they had the eighth pick in the draft. And they are already spending like $50 million a year on Kirk cousins. It’s just head scratching to spend that high of a draft pick on what is effectively an insurance quarterback.
If you are trying to win now, this is not the movie you would make.
People are just puzzled by the ownership and managements decision to waste a draft pick
Feel bad for penix hes in a terrible situation . unless Kirk gets hurt or is washed he's not playing until likely year 3 probably year 4 . falcons fans gonna be calling for Kirk to be benched the moment he struggles its gonna be funny
how is that bad he has time to sit and grow.
The NFL is a copycat league. After the Packers' season this year with Love, it was inevitable someone else was going to try this
Its about as smart of a pick as they could have made.
Seriously.
Cousins wont finish the season out before getting injured. I figure he will miss at least 10 games between the next two years. Meaning they had the need for a solid Backup QB which is what Penix gives you.
Penix will also be learning behind what is basically a lesser version of Cousins with 15% more mobility. So they are clearly training cousins replacement and its Kirks job to lose. Its a damned logical fit.
Im just glad we didnt get him, cause hes a 3rd round talent meaning he WILL now be a bust whereas he would have been a mid pick had he been picked mid rounds like he belongs.
Can The Seattle Seahawks Have Penix Please!
Everyone is freaking out, but this strategy has worked for Green Bay for decades.
You can't really just say it's worked for decades when it's literally only happened twice in that time
@@joshwilner5622 And because it worked twice, they got decades of great QB play. Therefore, it worked for the team for decades. 5-6 years total of sitting and developing for decades of great QB play seems worth it to me.
@@joshwilner5622 what you can say is that Green Bay hasn’t had a quarterback problem in over 30 years. If having a succession plan means it only gets tested twice in three decades, I’d say it works for decades.
Still isn’t as bad as Weeden
Penix is too old to give the Love treatment, he turns 24 in two weeks, and wont start for 2-3 years. Love started at 24 this past season. He was 22 when we drafted him
Doesn’t make sense
It Should've been The Seahawks. It Should've Been the Seahawks To draft Penix
One of the worst picks in years.
It’s like the Daniel Jones draft pick but somehow even dumber.
It’s not that big of a deal
The falcons like penix
Thank you Buffalo. Denver still sucks.
The Giants would've gladly taken Penix. DERPY JONES IS TERRIBLE AND NEEDS TO BE CUT FROM THE TEAM!
the should had not got kirk cousins and got penix but both is stupid
Tom must be a fake packers fan.. Rodgers was one of the higest paid with love being drafted..
Perna thinks it dumb but he was out on high paid russ
Sorry the falcons weren't good enough to get a +20 pick.
Bro is not a fake packers fan, he bleeds green and yellow, and the reason they took love was because Rodgers was rumored to be traded or retire
@KingDededeeznuts lol you mean because he was the same age the kirk is now...
See how easily you justify it because having a replacement qb in training makes sense to packers' fans 🤔
Finally someone else knows MY MAN!
@@SunShine-xc6dh Jordan Love wasn't 24 years old. if they don't pick up his option he's gonna be a free agent the same time as Kirk. I think Penix will be solid. But it just was not a smart pick.
@KingDededeeznuts who gives a shit about a year or two when any successful player will long outlast any bust...
How many 2021 rookies qbs have already been traded and relegated to backups?
Kurt Warner didn't enter the league until 27 he did hof fine.. brady played til 45, multiple others have made 40..