How Much Time Do Express Lines Actually Save? Are They As Fast As We Think? | Part 1 - A Division
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- For some people, taking express trains over locals is the obvious choice, and I can agree with that, but do we know how much time taking express lines can actually save? Are they actually worth taking? Are they as fast as we think?
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0:45 7th Avenue Line
2:38 Lexington Avenue Line
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For you wondering, the IRT Flushing Line Exp saves around 8-10 minutes between Mets - Willets Pt & Queensboro Plaza! ;)
I love riding the 7 Express Train 😅
I agree!! I like the 7 express so fast!! I also like the 5 express. It’s really fast from Flatbush to Dyre during rush hour.
@@ariesmichaelsayan4013 5 goes to nereid via white plains road express
Its going to save 0 minutes now
@@Vryheid fr… 😐
Definitely would like to see the B division… especially on QBL and Broadway
Yeah, I have a feeling that QBL/CPW might save the most time, while Broadway might even be a LOSS by taking the Exp.
@@MysticTransitI would like to see 6th avenue express and 8th avenue express on the B Division
@@MysticTransithaha I agree the Q train goes so slow idk why. The R and W is much faster
Maybe tack on a Peak Direction Video
@@MysticTransitCPW Exp saves 3 minutes… 💀 ☠️ 💀
Not surprised that the Lexington Avenue line is much quicker. It goes express at 125th, while 7th Avenue Express Service starts at 96th Street. The 7th Avenue Line also has an Express Stop at 34th St-Penn Station.
Do note the 7th ave only meet up At 96 so they can’t be capable to make express starting from 125 unlike Lexington
This is why I prefer to take the express long-distance, then backtrack 1-2 stops with the local to get to where I need to go most times. Very enlightening.
IND/BMT might be a different story though, looking forward to that
After you make the B divison for manhattan, you should also make A divison for Brooklyn, and B divison for Brooklyn, as well as one for queens. You could also cover skipstop if you have nothing else to make a vid abt.
Hi Mystic, I'm not from New York (or even the US), but I've always admired the NYC subway! Your videos have given me a lot more information on the subway and how it works. It's such a complex system and quite unique. Thanks!
i remember sometimes vibin' on The 7 Train when i was a kid/teenager when i lived in the NYC tri-state area but the express lines were f a s t & kinda unique.
See Mystic this is the question that *no one* is asking. It really has you thinking about the time gaps, the skip-stops, and everything else in between. Like that you brought this up though.
Well not necessarily, most uh, “civilians” will get into arguments over taking the express or locals
I never take the 6 express in the morning because it ends up getting held up at 3rd Ave 138. Only in the Afternoon. I just take the express train on any branch line because of SPEED!
You should cover IND Express Lines as the IND Trains are much quicker. Great Video.
Agreed
Oh I definitely will!
I don’t think IND trains are quicker, they’re riddled with timers. While they may have considerable express sections outside of midtown, in midtown, it’s a joke.,
@@HesJustSteventhe IND Lines have less stations therefore less lcl stations for the exp trains to bypass so I doubt it’s faster than the IRT or even the BMT for that matter! ;)
@St4rBoyRailfanning The fact that there's less stations should mean it's faster.
The 6 train should run express between Pelham Bay and Parkchester but it never does that unless it is train construction
Express vs Local isn't about speed. It's about capacity. The original designs of the routes had expresses starting farther away from downtown Manhattan or Brooklyn. At certain points in the lines, locals start at some point where the planners determined the "express" would be full and to provide boarding for passengers from those stops into the "business districts." The B Division (BMT, IND) better exemplifies this than the A Div (IRT); especially the IND which had the benefit of knowing what worked and didn't for the previous services. That expresses can save few minutes vs locals is rather inconsequential.
Very interesting. I would be interested to see how the B division lines stack up.
For those who are wondering the time saves for the 5 Express between East 180th Street and 149th Street Grand Concourse, it saves around 2-3 minutes.
the time saves are kinda minimal here due maybe to either the slower speeds that the 5 express would take near the 3av-149th st curve and the interlining that the 2 and 5 have to do there
when the 5 express happens in the PM rush where it is heading up to Nereid Avenue, the 5 express can save up to 5-6 minutes
Slowest express run in the system, from my experience
As a Brooklyn native, I’d be curious to see which line gets me to midtown the fastest. The Q is far fewer stops, but crawls along the bridge while the R races under the tunnel…
I’ve been thinking although on paper I feel like the 3 runs way faster than the 2 meaning driving wise. Those on the r62 really give the 3 the red rocket name gassing the trains. I feel like they drive slower on the r142 express. In my opinion based on my traveling on both
Words aside the Express trains are always to me a great addition to the subway so that way I can get to a stop a little more quicker.
For the 1, it's all about the timing of the transfer to the 2/3 at 96 St. If it's a?3 to 4 min wait I transfer. If it's like 5 to 6 min wait, I stay on the 1 train.
Now I live near the 2/5 so I'm always going express. And the 5 is for when I'm really in a hurry.
Definetly would like to see the B Division, especially the Brighton Line.
I'm a yes; I'll always take the Express if it's available.
Thanks Mystic for the shoutout, looking forward for the B Divison time frames.
The most important thing is the superiority complex when you skip stops and FEEL like you're saving time
Nice upload! I love your content!
Thank you. I found this useful. Can you do a video in the changes of service for Met & Yankee games (or other events) at Willets Point and 161st Street? I recently went to each stadium. At Willets Point, they ran a train straight into Manhattan (but I was on the wrong track to catch it). I didn't notice any change of service on the 4 or D trains. I'm interested to know what transit does to help support local teams. I guess that would extend to the Brooklyn Nets and NY Liberty as well. - Please keep up the good work.
You should still do the diamond services, as well as the 5 peak express service in the bronx compared to the 2.
Rumors always had it that on average it saves about 2 mins between express trains versus local trains. However, clearly express trains come in handy, especially between 71 Ave Continental and Roosevelt Ave, Roosevelt Ave and Queensboro Plaza, Euclid Ave to Broadway Junction, 59th Street Columbus Circle to 125th Street, Myrtle Ave to Marcy Avenue, and Woodside 61st Street to Queensboro Plaza
We needed this
Cool video! sometimes it feels like to 5 is going slower than the 4 so I wish you a check the distance on that
I appreciated the coverage of the A division. Especially with longer express sections within Manhattan compared to 8th Ave, 6th Ave, and Broadway.
But I'm particularly curious about each of the corridors in the B division outside the CBD. Fulton, CPW, 4th Ave, QBL, Brighton, Concourse, even Culver north of Church Ave… Another commenter also brought up Eastern Pkwy on the A division.
I am waiting for the video for the B division. From 168 St Washington Heights to Euclid Av, as well as from Forest Hills-71Av to 47-50 St Rockefeller center
We’d have to take account the frequency of the 1 and 2/3. I think the 1 has a shorter frequency so it may be advantageous to take the 1.
B division next please
I read somewhere years ago that when the Independent Subway Company built their Eighth Av Line, it was purposely built to make it inconvenient to transfer express to local-local to express. If you think about sections especially between W 4 St to 125 St, I see where this thought process comes in.
Where do you see the inconveniences? I know IND felt local should remain in one bougouh. Hoyt Scho has the outer platforms for the purpose of getting everyone off the C onto the A before the C train terminates at Court Street (now the transit museum).
The current service pattern of having the C train merge onto the express track be a bottle neck.
Some are proposing the Second Ave subway should come to Brooklyn using these tracks
@@stevenroshni1228 Tell me why there aren't any express stations between 59 St and 125 St?
@@sparkswolverineshould be one at museum of natural history at least and 96th
Why would they do that?
Hey there Mystic
Sup
Great Video Topic
Good video nephew!
Hah, I was so used to the London system that I had no idea about these when I visited in 2010. I think I rode everywhere on the slow lines.
My dad let me have a few afternoons of free exploring because he felt like reading books in Central Park and I wanted to go to the Rockefeller Plaza and Fifth Avenue shops. I was a teenager but I’d proven myself responsible alone in London, and I had my phone on me if I needed to contact him, so yeah!
Of course literally no one gave me a second glance just travelling, listening to music, and reading.
Also funny story, the Subway staff lied to my dad about not being able to transfer funds between Metrocards, so we had a bunch with like 20¢, 30¢ on that weren’t enough for a ride at the end of the trip. But yk what he could afford it, and I don’t begrudge the MTA getting a % of a % of extra funding. It’s kinda funny because apparently it was actually really easy to transfer them? But you can’t do that on Oyster cards to my knowledge so he just bought it.
Yes… but what about if you’re only going 1 or 2 stops?
For short trips like that, the local is almost always the best option, but if the Express is there, why not take it?
How about a comparison between the run times of the "A" express and the "B" express between 59th street Columbus Circle and West 4th street (the "B" runs express from 34th street to West 4th just like the "D" it is interlined with). If both are at 59th street abd leave exactly the same time, which is faster to West 4th (and visa-versa)?
A has less stops at the beginning stopping at 42nd 34th 14th then west 4th while the other has 7 av 47-50 42nd 34th then west 4th so around 45 seconds faster and r68s take longer to reach its top speeds I see the A be entering stations around 35 mph while the B does it slower .
I wonder how long queens blvd on the B division saves express. It's a lot
You should do the eastern pky lines next
Imo, unrelated to train speeds but i feel like local trains have more stations with better designs then a full express stop.
Would like to see some from Brooklyn and Queens combos
Thanks for the info! Is there any particular reason wny the northbound express trains are faster than the southbound ones? Track conditions, signals, anything else come to mind?
The shuttle would always be faster than the #7. The first thing that comes to mind is access. And the shuttle runs as a priority service. Although the #7 is the most frequent line during the peak. It just sit below all the subway lines, while the shuttle sits above them right below the street. It is just very difficult to compete with this setup.
Another thing is the #7 terminal is no longer time square. You have to wait for it. Than it stops at 5th Avenue. So people prefer the shuttle.
Well hello there Mystic Transit friend. Long time no see. I hope you're doing great so far.
Yeah, I'm doing well. I hope the same can be said for you.
@@MysticTransit Yes I am doing good as usual.
So interesting and super fast and super Duper efficient they got across the city
u should do a video on the most busy lines
Trying to think how much time the N or Q can save going Express from 57th St to Canal, and if you think about it, I don't it'll be by much when you have slow speeds south of Union and Prince
As a general rule of thumb I would say each local station skipped saves approximately 45 seconds of travel time
I think you should’ve included the 3 train, given that it runs a different rolling stock than the 2. Perhaps the 142s are a tad quicker than the 62s
Yeah, the R142s are faster, but generally, it should not be that much of a difference in time savings.
Rolling stock isn't considered with run time. The C train is a mix of both and it can be faster with a r46 depending on the crew.
pls do b divisoin version in this order:
1: 8 Av from 168 St to Euclid Av
2: 6 Av from 47-50 Sts to West 4 St
3: Broadway from 57 St to Canal St
4: 4th Av (Brooklyn) from Atlantic Av to 59 St
5: Eastern Pkwy from Boro Hall to Frankin Av
6: Brighton from Prospect Park to Brighton Beach
7: Queens Blvd from Queens Plaza to Forest Hills
From my experence, DO NOT TAKE THE 4 OR 5 trains southbound after 8am. Train traffic bulds a lot, and therefore its more safer to take the local. By safe, I mean you'll garuntee your self a solid eta.
The express will always win! Especially the uptown express. The #1 has a lot of extra stops. Even the #6 would beat the #1. And you can't find 18th Street anywhere but the #1 line.
Where the #1 shines is after 96th Street. The #1 is a straight line mostly. It goes from 157 to 168th than 181st.
In compare to the #2 which goes via White Plains Road, it is much faster to 96th Street.
I ran a test between the #2 Gun Hill Road Station and the #1 231st Street Street.
I lived west of Jerome Avenue. I took the BX1 bus for the #1 train and the BX28/30 for the #2 train.
I know they don't cover the same area. But they are really not that far from each other. The #4 is actually just a little bit closer to the #1 than the #2. Especially if you are considering the station entrance.
I'd like to see a B Local and Express speed test
I have another idea for this type of series if your down,
-does the bx12 sbs save more time? And if you are interested please do this during rush hour so theres more traffic to see if the sbs variant really makes a difference
As a Gun Hill operator who's done the Bx12 local and select, it depends on number of passengers and traffic. There have been many times where the local and select stay together throughout the entire local portion. When I did the local, often times, I pass a select when they pick up like 50 people and I only pick up like 10 at the stop. Most people prefer taking the select because they probably need to get to Bay Plaza/Manhattan or they think the select is faster lol
@@josephnyy86I prefer the 12 local over the 12 sbs, because it’s not that badly over crowded and I get to my destination slightly faster
Could you test the ABCD trains between 125 Street and West 4th Street for comparisons?
Me personally I believe the A would win it tbh because of its train fleet and the amount of stops for example it has 125 59th 42nd 34th 14th then west 4th compared to the D stops at 125 59 7th Ave 47-50 Rockafeller 42nd Street 34th then west 4 and to make it worst if there is a b train in front of the train it will hold in the station compared to the A it is alone on the express track and it's fleet r46 r179 and r211 are faster than the D r68 because it is lighter which can make it reach top speeds quicker than the r68.
A little surprised here. One would think that express service saves at least 10 - 15 minutes in Manhattan given that so many people seem to prefer it. I wonder, which stops on the Lex and 7th would people be willing to give up to get faster end-to-end service?
Tbh I could of sworn downtown express service from 125th to Bklyn Bridge took slightly less time to get with zero delays or dispatcher holds
This is why lex is getting cbtc because the capacity of lex isn't so good which is why it's usually crowded on the 4 and 5 and with being able to run more trains with cbtc then it will be less crowded and trains can run faster
Since the 6 and the 1 end before the 2 and 3 and the 4 and 5 maybe see which one is faster the 4 or 5 and the 2 or 3.
yo what is the fastest (no shuttles) subway line from main terminal A to B? (North-south, then South-North)
What about the 6 avenue and 8 avenue line the D Was express going to Manhattan and then it was local in Brooklyn for Coney Island stillwell avenue bound and the 8 avenue line which is the A was express and the C was local with the B Train too
I believe it when it comes to the 4 out of Woodlawn to 125th. Urs slow AF.
I am definitely for exploiting disused express tracks as more express service is good for longer distance traveling.
Dam wat about the 8th ave or broadway lines
Hmm I wonder if you believe the 1 train should run express some day.
No, not really. The (1) is fast enough as it already is.
@@MysticTransit okay no problem.
Lex line is super quick. I get to work in 12 minutes
It takes the 2 12-13 minutes to get from 96 to chambers, in my experience
Cool video, but you are only looking at the MTA schedule. A better way is to get on an express train and remember the local car number across the platform, then when you arrive at your destination wait for the local to arrive -- to see how much time you saved. Depending on your distance, it usually amounts to nothing -- maybe 30-50 seconds. Going to a Mets game is probably the only time you can save actual minutes, but that is only during games, no?
Concourse express saves 8 minutes from 145 to Tremont then fordham not bad for the morning rush but it gets less train running express in the pm rush so cant really tell a good or negative impact. It should of been made quad tracked with the d express and c local like back then
Didn’t you upload this yesterday?
Not everyone riding those trains travels from 96th to chambers or 125th to Brooklyn Bridge
What is quicker? BMT or IND
I mean, yes.
White plains ?
I like both cuz some express trains are fast and slow
They should remove 72nd as an express stop to improve the 2/3 express.
I disagree. 72nd St is a valuable stop for the 2/3 riders.
@@MysticTransitI use that station a few days a week. Sometimes the 2/3 are so pack that people can’t get on at 72nd. I just feel it would speed up express service on the west side. If the A/D go express from 125th to 59th… it would not make a huge difference if the 2/3 goes express from 96th to 42nd. Going express from 96th to 72nd is really not express service.
@@MysticTransit That reminds me of a plan the MTA tried to do in the 60s and 70s to change the 72nd and 59th street station into local and express stations respectively. I don't know how much good nor bad it would do the 1,2&3 services though.
i know this is not important but is the thumbnail 150ST (4) Tunnel
Yeah I know. I decided to use it since it shows the (4), which is an express line, and its a cool photo.
What’s up with the fake r211 wraps on the r160’s now? 😂
B division 8th av south of 59 st 😂
The 2/3 lines are not the best express service but with no diamond express service and the 9 was not really express it was skip-stop and I think that if the M was on Nassau it could be local, Z skip-stop and J express. People say how the 3 is the fastest line on 7th I agree it is but has a lot of stops and for me does not have the best reliable service like stopping 34 and 42 twice like that but in a row instead and people say that it should stop at 59 but I disagree, because then it would be almost 3 stations in a row and then it would only skip 66 and then stop at 72 only skipping 86 and I also think they should make the 123 and 456 on the same street at 86 or 96 then that’s where they split off from the 1 they only really skip 103, 79, 66, 59, 50, Canal, Christopher, Franklin, and Houston.
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The A express is the fastest on the 8th Avenue Line.
Why you don't upload at 12 anymore?
I haven't uploaded at 12 in a long while. I feel like 11:15 is a better time, so more people can see the video in their subscription feed.
@@MysticTransit you can pick any time to upload transit News if you like?
are the times averages of multiple runs? if so how many? what about the day of the week or time of day ... how does that come into play with the times?
Express could be faster. And I guess express is also for some convenience if you don’t want to sit through every single stop. Very annoying to sit though EVERY SINGLE STOP.
There's no interlining in the A div and the lines are straight. B div however especially the BMT is trash.
Rule of Thumb to me. If you are skipping more than 3 stops, take the express train. Less than 3 will be similar amount of time.
You're comparing rush hour intervals. Middays, the differences are less.
The 6 express train i think should run express on the Lexington Avenue line so theres not so much of a delay with 6 lcl and exp at 3rd av 138st and 125st you could also have 6 exp trains bypass 138st as well going straight to 125.
During Late nights since the 5 doesn't go to brooklyn and the 4 is LCL we could extend the 6 train to brooklyn running Lexington av EXP to Utica.
The Lexington line is good enough as is transfer if you want express so badly or just extend the 5 .
Express trains don't run as fast as they used to decades ago when the system was really "rapid transit". Speeds have obviously been slowed down.
Express trains aren’t for fast travel. They’re for crowd control.
Express trains were never intended to save you time. Their purpose is to allow the MTA to run MORE trains. Four tracks are better than two.
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