SeánBonella They’ve changed monumentally, nobody can really say they haven’t. Semi final and a final in the last two tournaments, they will win something in the near future.
@@FannyShmellar For me, England have been making hay while the sun shines in a poor period in international football, while at the same time, the lower standard of the current crop of English players seems to help them play as more of a team (rather than the old English thing of 11 individuals and forcing all the Galacticos into the same lineup), so in a way it's a bit like one step back in quality, two steps forward in team play.
Drum Tracks Direct Probably some truth in saying that certain nations haven’t been at their pinnacle of late, but England are doing things they would never have done in recent times. They would never have won a penalty shootout at a tournament, they would never have beaten Germany and they would certainly never have made a final. I’m not sure you how can say they’ve taken a step back in talent, they have an absolute glut of quality. Even lads that don’t make the squads are absolute quality players.
At this particular time no one knew how good this German team was. With Ballack's injury they lost their only star. Mueller, Oezil, Neuer, Kedhira were still very young and unknown, even Lahm, Klose and Schweinsteiger weren't the superstars they would become afterwards. They were extremely relieved when they beat Australia, lost against Serbia, played poorly against Ghana (1:0). The matches against England and Argentina showed what they were capable of but they lacked continuity and stability, maybe some self confidence too. England had great players, some good moves and opportunities but poor team spirit and a lack of discipline. Every team has to overcome setbacks but they didn't, maybe because of a lack of confidence in themselves or the manager's strategy.
I agree to an extent, but we had Heskey, Upson, Johnson, James, etc. in our first team, and that is not a team that's ever going far in any tournament, unfortunately.
Are you kidding me. I watched EVERY England qualifaction match and they were awful at home. Away from home they played quite well. Here's what's wrong with English football - typical routine: Joe Hart humps the ball up to rooney who wins the header and knocks it back to Lampard. Lampard passes it back to Ashley Cole. Cole goes back to Ferdinand who panics and passes it back to Joe Hart. Hart hits the ball up field the ball goes out and or/Andorra/Luxembourg/Liechtenstein get the ball back.
@@SuperTed19021 so does that excuse getting battered 7-1 on our own turf in a wc semi final? That's one of the most shameful defeats I've seen in sports never mind football?
Capello was a decent manager. He led a team that was lucky to get out of the group stage to the round of 16. Unfortunately for him, the English fans and media expected way too much from their subpar team, as usual. England is similar to teams like USA and Mexico, skill-wise. The difference is that USA and Mexico are happy to get out of the group stage while England is disappointed not to make it to the quarterfinals. Because of this, England usually disappoints while USA and Mexico make their fans happy. England is not a world class team that can make it to the semifinals, and should not be treated like one.
English ppl always have high expectations because the English clubs dominated more or less the CL back then, plus the PL was the best league in the world ...so its normal they have high expectations.They dont realise much of the English clubs success comes from the foreigners, the drogbas,agueros,van persie....And tbh i veer understood whats whith all the hype with capello.He is a decent manager yes, but he is no mourinho or guardiola..And you are right when you say this is a subpar England team.This generation really had its peak in 06 world cup .Remember how good the english clubs were in 05-08 period in the CL,Thats when gerrard,ferdiannd...peaked.Unfortunately for them they missed euro 08.
TheLusianPopa I really don't see how someone can consider a team like Chelsea or Man City and English team. They rely almost solely on foreign players. I think English teams should start actually using English players. Maybe then the national team might not fail miserably every major tournament. The English fans and media compare their team to the likes of Brazil and Germany, but in the end, they have a hard time reaching the quarterfinals of the World Cup. Also, I wouldn't say the English teams dominated before the 2010 World Cup. Barcelona, Milan, and Bayern were all better than every English team at that time. Man U was good too, but the rest of the English teams were not really that great either.
TheLordoftheRavens What are you talking about ? 2005 Liverpool a team who only finished fifth in the league won the champions league. 2006 Arsenal made it to the final and only lost because they were down to 10 men, 2007 liverpool made it to the final again, 2008 it was an all English Final between Chelsea and Man U and Liverpool were in the semi finals, 2009 Man U made it to the final again. That was 4 years of total dominance by English Clubs. With the exception of Arsenal those other 3 relied heavily on English players, Chelsea had Terry and Lampard, Liverpool had Gerrard and Man U had Rooney and Ferdinand amongst others. Of course people were going to expect more from England at that time. 2004 and 2006 were the tournaments where on paper we were one of the best 4 teams in the world, were it not for terrible management by Sven then we should have made at least the semis. Even with the terrible management Portugal only beat us with a penalty shootout. Yes 2010 was one tournament too far for that generation of players, in hindsight now that is easy to see but at the time the only German Club who had done anything in europe was Bayern Munich who I think only had 1 good tournament in 1 year out of the last 5. (semis or better ) Compare that to 4 English Clubs reaching the semis or better 10 times over 5 years.
Mick W It's true that the Premier League had a lot of world class teams in the timespan you just described, but again, they relied heavily on foreign players, like Ronaldo on United or Lehmann on Arsenal. Did you know 68% of players in the Premier League are not English, compared to 39% foreign in Spain and about 45% foreign in Germany? So don't go telling me that English clubs don't have a massive influx of foreign stars. Now, if England was really as good as you described, then they should have actually been successful in those tournaments. But it was always pretty obvious that players like Zidane and Ronaldo were much better than every English player, so on paper, England really did appear to not have such a great side. It's just like in 2010 before the Germany vs. England game, where the English media distorted the facts and claimed English players were better on paper than German ones. In what world were the likes or Rooney and Lampard ever better than Klose or Schweinsteiger? It's outrageous to say something like that. Everyone knows that the Germany players were better overall, and that they played well as a team and had much more success in the group stage than England. So tell me, on what paper does it say England had a great team?
Englishmen are very proud of their beloved PL, they asume that if rooney and lampard have wages twice as big as schweinsteigger and klose then they clearly are better players.England doesnt really produce top class players , while the spanish and germans produce dozens of great players.English players play better in their clubs than in their national teams,same happens with messi, ronaldo...its soemthing i've been noticing in the past decade or so...i think english players also play better in their clubs because there is less pressure there.Well lets face it back in 2010 no one had ever heard of khedira,ozil,and a few others....i mean they werent completely unknown but no way they were stars, and also , back then the bundesliga wasnt as good as now, so very few ppl watched it, quite normal they didnt know many of the players. The percentage of foreigers is huge in England, but i would be really interested in how many are in the first eleven.Because chelsea might have 19 foreigners but only play 5....get it? English media always overrates its players, clubs,national team...nothing new.
I don't care if england was up 3-2 at half. Germany still would have won. The far better team throughout the tournament. They played much more attractive football and were always exciting to watch.
to be fair, the pundits right around england did not claim they were robbed ny the disallowed goal and instead heaped praie on germany and blasted their squad, immediately after the match the BBC and SKY were relentless...
Exactly, on Sky Richard Keys and Andy Gray were in LA covering the World cup and I know Andy is Scottish and they generally don't want England to do well but he went to the fact that the goal shouldn't have been disallowed but it shouldn't be used as an excuse and Richard agreed, and I agree as an England fan. Sure the game might have changed in the second half and I do believe that there is a difference between going into half time 2-1 down and at level scores but at the end of the day the Germans were too strong and too powerful for us
Pretty much have to agree with that. England have also had a succession of defensive minded managers. The FA have spent millions on managers without thinking of the teams long term goals. The vision of the Germany FA has to applauded, over losing the 2002 WC, they changed the way club players were developed and have succeeded. A strong German team, and two finalist in the ECC.
It's. good thing that Germany scored the 4, because that took the excuse of that disallowed goal... I can't believe england were made favourites for the game and it would have been a travesty if Germany were knocked out by england
Savage Gamer please. That England team was overrated. The Golden generation were always made the favorite at tournaments and they always failed. That Germany side could have won the world cup in 2010 unlike England
So interesting watching this in 2021 after Euros final. Thank god for Southgate both in coaching development from 2010 and then just turning around the culture and structure in just 5 year and now the only team to get to the semi-final of both the last Euros and World Cup, losing the Euros final on the slimmest of margin. The new team is almost unrecognisable now
Just needs to work on getting the best out of his most creative players coming through and lose his conservatism (could have *defiantly* beaten Italy at Wembley in July to lift the Euros, and got a rare WCQ win in Poland yesterday if he did that). Agree *completely* with your other points, especially about team ethic/culture.
@@Al-ji4gd I don't think Gareth is worried. He is experimenting and playing everyone out of position to try new combinations. France have been doing the same and yet to win a game too.
Germany was dominant throughout the tournament. England had below par performances. Back then in 2010, most EPL players were foreigners. That didn't help the England national team.
It is not that simple. England simply do not have the technical skill to compete at that level. There are only 4 teams in the EPL that actually play passing football like what the Germans, Dutch and Spanish are capable of. Both Gerrard and Lampard are two of the most overrated players I have ever seen. They cannot pass the ball and they cannot control the game with vision. I am confused as to what they actually do for the team. And this is only two players and not mentioning the rest of the squad.
bighands69 Gerrard and Lampard scored shitloads of goals. That is the hardest thing to do in football. It is very hard to leave out prolific goalscorers.
bighands69 i agree to many teams like watford who just lump it up the pitch. At least we have teams like everton and tottenham who promote english talent and play nice football
Carrick, Gerrard and Lampard would have given a very good game to this Germany midfield with Gerrard going up against Khedira (the two box-to-box midfielders), Carrick against Ozil and Lampard against Schweinsteiger. Carrick would have been responsible for providing the platform and setting the tempo, Gerrard would provide the energy and up the tempo and Lampard would have been the 10. Considering all three of those players have won the CL, it would be very defeatist to think they could not match the German midfielders.
@SoLazy100 I agree - I think Mourinho would do the best job but cannot see him leaving Real Madrid at the moment. As for English managers, all I will say is Revie, Greenwood, Taylor, Hoddle, McLaren. Venables too dodgy off the pitch to have been kept on for 1998 (hence Hoddle's appointment), and Sir Bobby eventually did well after many years trying.
why do you guys talk about the english team needs an english manager or every nation should have a manager from their country? what would you say if you got mourinho, hiddink, scolari?
its not the culture of the English game thats the problem Teams like Man city Arsenal etc are encouraged to keep the ball and play a possession based game, its that the creative players in those teams are foreign. There are no English players in the premiership who are creative players.
At international levels, you need players in a team who understand the opponent and prioritize the short possession game because that's what gets you to win knockout games. Not 11 names and headless chicken kick-and-hope football. Exactly what you are saying.
@ThaReaper01 I agree...i know the final score was 4;1 but don't over do it...i don't know that last 20 mins of the last half but the last 10 mins certainly and the first 10;15 mins of the second half Germany looked frail.............
England need a strong and aggressive leader who can bring the best out of the players. It has been very long that England has not won any major tournaments like euros and even world cups since 1966.
They need more than a aggressive leader in charge, even the best manager ever would struggle to get a successful England team, the players are just not good enough at international level (in terms of technical ability and skill), we are years behind teams such as Germany, Argentina, Spain, etc, it basically comes down to grass roots levels being 20 years behind the teams I've just mentioned and not enough English players getting a chance in the premier league cause of all the foreign players, granted I know the fa changed the grass root levels about 2 years ago to how they train youngsters in Germany, Spain etc, but we will not see if has worked for at least 10 years, they should have changed it when everyone else did years ago.
Maybe the Golden Generation didn't really underachieve. *They just weren't that good.* Players like Ozil, Neuer, Khedira for Germany in that game when on to win the next World Cup. The only ever time we came close to a Golden Generation was like you said, 1966, but again, that was at home and football was different then. Even then, there were better teams. Maybe if we want a Golden Generation, we haven't *actually* had one and we are still waiting for one.
I see his point but no English people were sitting at home saying ‘they should have overcome that’ when Henry hand balled it against them in the qualifiers. Personal bias shouldn’t prevent you from slaughtering FIFA when they are so corrupt and incompetent.
England your time will come , im sure. You have to implement/improve your youth-soccer education schools. This is what happened in Germany. We had the same problems, old and non motivated players. i dont like WC or European Championships without an english team. Best regards form Frankfurt/Germany!
Many ex-players like Roy Keane and Alan Shearer have been saying this for years. The FA is completely at fault here. Their minds are poisoned by short-term gains instead of long-term commitments. The FA also doesn't support any type of style in the senior team. You watch teams like Argentina, Spain, Germany, and The Netherlands and you can identify their play style. England doesn't have one. Too many individuals on that pitch right now.
@WA192 dont think england need to play like spain ,holland played great football for years and last won in euro 88 ,if englang just play like england but as a team they would do fine
English players lack the stamina to win a great tournament.You need a winter-break guys.Without a break the english team is too exhasted to go through a tournament.One can see it every time in the second half they are totally knackered
@eisenherz188 So at the beginning the main reason for bringing in young players was basically money! And that`s the problem for England: There is too much money involved in the EPL - And the bigger problem is that it comes basically from "guys" who are not english and do not really have an interest in developing young english players! Their main goal is the sucess of the clubs they invested their money in!
*Long comment ahead!!!!* Coming from an Englishman, "The Golden Generation" was overrated as *crap!* The *only* world class players that England produced during that period in my opinion were Paul Scholes, Michael Carrick and Rio Ferdinand (a Man United trio who were all treated *terribly,* with one of the trio finally having the sense to quit and focus on club pursuits instead of wasting time before being driven out like the two latter), Ashley Cole, Michael Owen (when he was fit) and maybe Frank Lampard (if some manager knew that he was a striker and not a striker in midfield). *5 definiates and 1 potential in all!* There were at the time hardly any strikers - Jermain Defoe and Darren Bent at the best of times were both flaky, but Peter Crouch & Emile Heskey? *Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!* The so-called "speed-demons" like Aaron Lennon, Theo Walcott and Shaun Wright-Philips were ineffective. John Terry was average as *heck* and a liability (alas countless managers built the team around him instead of Ferdinand which was *beyond* criminal). Wayne Rooney could have and might have been world class when he was the on the right side of 20, but could never kick on from his Everton years (another Terry in my eyes). Joe Cole, Steven Gerrard, Owen Hargreaves, Sol Campbell, Jamie Carragher, The Neville Bros. were good players, but were *never* world class. David Beckham, while decent at best, was *completely* overrated : great man, great servant and all that, but he could *only* do dead balls, useless Hollywood passes and free kicks (he might as well misinterpret it for "American Football"). Most of the midfielders like Gareth Barry, Scott Parker, James Milner, David Bentley, Jermaine Jenas, Stewart Downing etc. were let's say, "bang-average" at best. A lot of the defenders were below-average to plain horrid, like Glen Johnson, Phil Jagielka, Matthew Upson, Joleon Lescott, Gary Cahill, Wayne Bridge etc. Goalies? *pah!* David James, Joe Hart, Robert Green, Scott Carson, Paul Robinson .... *sums the whole thing up.* What we badly needed was a proper holding/attacking midfielder in a Modric/Ronaldo mould (probably was someone out there somewhere), but because managers were too scared to drop both/or either Lampard or Gerrard, it went unattended. *At the least* have Lampard on his own as an attacking midfield if you must! And when they finally did, they *unbelievably* chose Barry over Carrick. *Don't get me started* on picking Terry over Rio as captain!!!! Just really in the end; terrible management that was built around the wrong players, captains, tactics, formations etc. *No wonder* they never came close to winning anything. Greece had no stars *at all,* but with a good team ethic and coach, they won the 2004 Euros with a previous pathetic record and hardly anyone knowing who Otto Rehhagel was. You *at least* need a functioning, coherent team/management to success at international level, not a collection of *so-called* stars being led a *supposedly* world class management.
Very good analysis from non english media. when you listen to English pundits, it's " were gonna win world cup, we have very good players". but then when they get knocked out, there like, what's wrong with england... simple fact england can do simple passing. they need to practice passing
They won the world cup 47 years ago! You're saying this like they usually win stuff and they just had a poor game. The current England squad as a team is dung! All the players who play for England don't want to work together. They have a mindset where they think "I'm the best so get out of my way!" They don't work as a team and in future they will be equally as fucked because the FA can't manage to set up a youth system where kids work together and play football
What did you *expect* when the FA are run by businessmen who have *never* been influenced by sport in their entire lives and expect international football to be like club football. They expected Capello to wave a magic wand on the England squad like he did with Real Madrid, forgetting the fact that it *IS* a completely different plate of pasta compared to club football. Germany are/were run by people who understand football of all kinds. England were run by people who held no difference to football *then* let's say running a cod factory, along with the fact they were completely cowed by the ever-mighty Premier League. They also dithered on St. George's Park in Burton (which opened 10 years *too* late), and employed the likes of Stuart Pearce (a journeyman left-back who struck lucky internationally during an era of Lineker/Gascoigne/Shearer) to run England youth teams who *himself* had *little to no* interest in youth development aside giving him something to do until management in club football (probably just ending up at a League 1 or 2 team) came calling again (not to mention Pearce was an *almighty* follower of Charles Reep's hoofball bible). He and his FA employers *alone* were the epitome of 2002-2016 England national team in a nutshell.
@eisenherz188 Well you should tell the whole story: Indeed Germany didn`t do its homework after the 1990 World Cup and indeed Germany changed its you development system after EURO 2000 - But the big breaking point was the so called "Kirch crisis"! The "Kirch group" was a german media company which had signed a huge TV deal with the Bundesliga - This company went broke and this forced the german clubs to cut costs and bring in their own young players!
@producethegoods21 So if Ronaldinho or Pele had been English, you wouldn't have picked them? Hmm. Don't you think it's more likely that culture has more to do with football than race?
98, England were good, 2002 lost to Brazil that won it .. Lost to Argentina on penalties.. Even 2006 again penalty loss.. The worst team is this 2010..
Collectively as a team I agree for the most part but as for some of the individual players in this 2010 squad it's not true. It was kind of a mixed bag. Yes Terry, Cole, Gerrard, Lampard and Rooney, and even Milner and Defoe seemed very good, but on the other hand you had Upson, Johnson, Barry, David James, Heskey, Lennon, Wright-Phillips who were not good enough to play for England at big tournaments
England expects...Poland/Ukraine....3 Lions on a shirt, One Nation-One Goal, Cant wait for all the bullshit hype again...and again...and again. Schadenfreude...cant beat it.
I'll explain my opinion once and for all. I don't think that England will be "back" anytime soon because the England squad as a team don't play well. I believe that this is because 1) the players are individuals and although many are talented they lack teamwork skills. 2) the youth system in england is corrupted and needs to change. Look at the best teams in the world. They all have a "B" team where youth players get experience. My logic isn't crippled and if I was gay, there would be no problem
That is probably one if the most racist things I've ever read........does Brazil not win with the diversity they have? Sone of the English citizens have African roots.
Brady just summed up Gerrard beautifully.
These pundits all made very insightful and valid points. Let's give them all a big hand.
While they *secretly* smirked......
@@SuperTed19021 I read my original comment from 10 years ago and I honestly can’t remember why I posted that.
Brady, the legend, got it spot-on. The culture of the game in England has to change!
Careful what you wish for
and ten years on after italy beat them after euro 2020...they still havent....they wont change
SeánBonella They’ve changed monumentally, nobody can really say they haven’t. Semi final and a final in the last two tournaments, they will win something in the near future.
@@FannyShmellar For me, England have been making hay while the sun shines in a poor period in international football, while at the same time, the lower standard of the current crop of English players seems to help them play as more of a team (rather than the old English thing of 11 individuals and forcing all the Galacticos into the same lineup), so in a way it's a bit like one step back in quality, two steps forward in team play.
Drum Tracks Direct Probably some truth in saying that certain nations haven’t been at their pinnacle of late, but England are doing things they would never have done in recent times. They would never have won a penalty shootout at a tournament, they would never have beaten Germany and they would certainly never have made a final. I’m not sure you how can say they’ve taken a step back in talent, they have an absolute glut of quality. Even lads that don’t make the squads are absolute quality players.
At this particular time no one knew how good this German team was. With Ballack's injury they lost their only star. Mueller, Oezil, Neuer, Kedhira were still very young and unknown, even Lahm, Klose and Schweinsteiger weren't the superstars they would become afterwards. They were extremely relieved when they beat Australia, lost against Serbia, played poorly against Ghana (1:0). The matches against England and Argentina showed what they were capable of but they lacked continuity and stability, maybe some self confidence too. England had great players, some good moves and opportunities but poor team spirit and a lack of discipline. Every team has to overcome setbacks but they didn't, maybe because of a lack of confidence in themselves or the manager's strategy.
I agree to an extent, but we had Heskey, Upson, Johnson, James, etc. in our first team, and that is not a team that's ever going far in any tournament, unfortunately.
Klose was 32, he was a veteran at this stage. But I agree with the rest of your point.
Good point, that German team well and truly came of age in 2014
Hamann speakes some really proper Liverpool english.
Love Didi. He has such a unique perspective on football.
2:20 "You saw Steven Gerrard trying stupid shhh... shots" Hahaha LMAO I bet you Liam Brady was about to say "shit" on live national TV right there 😂
Are you kidding me. I watched EVERY England qualifaction match and they were awful at home. Away from home they played quite well. Here's what's wrong with English football - typical routine: Joe Hart humps the ball up to rooney who wins the header and knocks it back to Lampard. Lampard passes it back to Ashley Cole. Cole goes back to Ferdinand who panics and passes it back to Joe Hart. Hart hits the ball up field the ball goes out and or/Andorra/Luxembourg/Liechtenstein get the ball back.
R u dumb?
4-1 is much better than 7-1 :D
+omegavalerius it should have been about 7 - 1 to be fair I mean those chances they had in the 1st half lol...
*At least* Brazil have history.
@@SuperTed19021 so does that excuse getting battered 7-1 on our own turf in a wc semi final? That's one of the most shameful defeats I've seen in sports never mind football?
Capello was a decent manager. He led a team that was lucky to get out of the group stage to the round of 16. Unfortunately for him, the English fans and media expected way too much from their subpar team, as usual. England is similar to teams like USA and Mexico, skill-wise. The difference is that USA and Mexico are happy to get out of the group stage while England is disappointed not to make it to the quarterfinals. Because of this, England usually disappoints while USA and Mexico make their fans happy. England is not a world class team that can make it to the semifinals, and should not be treated like one.
English ppl always have high expectations because the English clubs dominated more or less the CL back then, plus the PL was the best league in the world ...so its normal they have high expectations.They dont realise much of the English clubs success comes from the foreigners, the drogbas,agueros,van persie....And tbh i veer understood whats whith all the hype with capello.He is a decent manager yes, but he is no mourinho or guardiola..And you are right when you say this is a subpar England team.This generation really had its peak in 06 world cup .Remember how good the english clubs were in 05-08 period in the CL,Thats when gerrard,ferdiannd...peaked.Unfortunately for them they missed euro 08.
TheLusianPopa I really don't see how someone can consider a team like Chelsea or Man City and English team. They rely almost solely on foreign players. I think English teams should start actually using English players. Maybe then the national team might not fail miserably every major tournament. The English fans and media compare their team to the likes of Brazil and Germany, but in the end, they have a hard time reaching the quarterfinals of the World Cup.
Also, I wouldn't say the English teams dominated before the 2010 World Cup. Barcelona, Milan, and Bayern were all better than every English team at that time. Man U was good too, but the rest of the English teams were not really that great either.
TheLordoftheRavens
What are you talking about ? 2005 Liverpool a team who only finished fifth in the league won the champions league. 2006 Arsenal made it to the final and only lost because they were down to 10 men, 2007 liverpool made it to the final again, 2008 it was an all English Final between Chelsea and Man U and Liverpool were in the semi finals, 2009 Man U made it to the final again. That was 4 years of total dominance by English Clubs.
With the exception of Arsenal those other 3 relied heavily on English players, Chelsea had Terry and Lampard, Liverpool had Gerrard and Man U had Rooney and Ferdinand amongst others.
Of course people were going to expect more from England at that time. 2004 and 2006 were the tournaments where on paper we were one of the best 4 teams in the world, were it not for terrible management by Sven then we should have made at least the semis. Even with the terrible management Portugal only beat us with a penalty shootout.
Yes 2010 was one tournament too far for that generation of players, in hindsight now that is easy to see but at the time the only German Club who had done anything in europe was Bayern Munich who I think only had 1 good tournament in 1 year out of the last 5. (semis or better ) Compare that to 4 English Clubs reaching the semis or better 10 times over 5 years.
Mick W It's true that the Premier League had a lot of world class teams in the timespan you just described, but again, they relied heavily on foreign players, like Ronaldo on United or Lehmann on Arsenal. Did you know 68% of players in the Premier League are not English, compared to 39% foreign in Spain and about 45% foreign in Germany? So don't go telling me that English clubs don't have a massive influx of foreign stars. Now, if England was really as good as you described, then they should have actually been successful in those tournaments. But it was always pretty obvious that players like Zidane and Ronaldo were much better than every English player, so on paper, England really did appear to not have such a great side. It's just like in 2010 before the Germany vs. England game, where the English media distorted the facts and claimed English players were better on paper than German ones. In what world were the likes or Rooney and Lampard ever better than Klose or Schweinsteiger? It's outrageous to say something like that. Everyone knows that the Germany players were better overall, and that they played well as a team and had much more success in the group stage than England. So tell me, on what paper does it say England had a great team?
Englishmen are very proud of their beloved PL, they asume that if rooney and lampard have wages twice as big as schweinsteigger and klose then they clearly are better players.England doesnt really produce top class players , while the spanish and germans produce dozens of great players.English players play better in their clubs than in their national teams,same happens with messi, ronaldo...its soemthing i've been noticing in the past decade or so...i think english players also play better in their clubs because there is less pressure there.Well lets face it back in 2010 no one had ever heard of khedira,ozil,and a few others....i mean they werent completely unknown but no way they were stars, and also , back then the bundesliga wasnt as good as now, so very few ppl watched it, quite normal they didnt know many of the players.
The percentage of foreigers is huge in England, but i would be really interested in how many are in the first eleven.Because chelsea might have 19 foreigners but only play 5....get it?
English media always overrates its players, clubs,national team...nothing new.
I don't care if england was up 3-2 at half. Germany still would have won. The far better team throughout the tournament. They played much more attractive football and were always exciting to watch.
But football is football, and the best team doesn't always win on the day.
@@Revelian1982And your point is irrelevant because in this case, the best team won.
to be fair, the pundits right around england did not claim they were robbed ny the disallowed goal and instead heaped praie on germany and blasted their squad, immediately after the match the BBC and SKY were relentless...
Exactly, on Sky Richard Keys and Andy Gray were in LA covering the World cup and I know Andy is Scottish and they generally don't want England to do well but he went to the fact that the goal shouldn't have been disallowed but it shouldn't be used as an excuse and Richard agreed, and I agree as an England fan. Sure the game might have changed in the second half and I do believe that there is a difference between going into half time 2-1 down and at level scores but at the end of the day the Germans were too strong and too powerful for us
the lampard goal was just the perfect revenge for wembley.
Pretty much have to agree with that. England have also had a succession of defensive minded managers. The FA have spent millions on managers without thinking of the teams long term goals. The vision of the Germany FA has to applauded, over losing the 2002 WC, they changed the way club players were developed and have succeeded. A strong German team, and two finalist in the ECC.
It's. good thing that Germany scored the 4, because that took the excuse of that disallowed goal... I can't believe england were made favourites for the game and it would have been a travesty if Germany were knocked out by england
England on paper had a better team
Savage Gamer please. That England team was overrated. The Golden generation were always made the favorite at tournaments and they always failed. That Germany side could have won the world cup in 2010 unlike England
On paper doesn't mean anything. You have to perform on the pitch.
00:54....i bet you thought your fone was about to go off to:p
Spot on they are
spot on
Liam Brady legend!
So interesting watching this in 2021 after Euros final. Thank god for Southgate both in coaching development from 2010 and then just turning around the culture and structure in just 5 year and now the only team to get to the semi-final of both the last Euros and World Cup, losing the Euros final on the slimmest of margin. The new team is almost unrecognisable now
Just needs to work on getting the best out of his most creative players coming through and lose his conservatism (could have *defiantly* beaten Italy at Wembley in July to lift the Euros, and got a rare WCQ win in Poland yesterday if he did that). Agree *completely* with your other points, especially about team ethic/culture.
Yeah, getting hammered 0-4 at home by Hungary is very impressive.
@@Al-ji4gd I don't think Gareth is worried. He is experimenting and playing everyone out of position to try new combinations. France have been doing the same and yet to win a game too.
@@carlybishop6160 Haha ok.
@@carlybishop6160 Yet, France is still in UEFA Nations League Group A while England were relegated to Group B.
Germany was dominant throughout the tournament. England had below par performances. Back then in 2010, most EPL players were foreigners. That didn't help the England national team.
It is not that simple.
England simply do not have the technical skill to compete at that level. There are only 4 teams in the EPL that actually play passing football like what the Germans, Dutch and Spanish are capable of.
Both Gerrard and Lampard are two of the most overrated players I have ever seen. They cannot pass the ball and they cannot control the game with vision. I am confused as to what they actually do for the team.
And this is only two players and not mentioning the rest of the squad.
bighands69 Gerrard and Lampard scored shitloads of goals. That is the hardest thing to do in football. It is very hard to leave out prolific goalscorers.
bighands69 i agree to many teams like watford who just lump it up the pitch. At least we have teams like everton and tottenham who promote english talent and play nice football
Carrick, Gerrard and Lampard would have given a very good game to this Germany midfield with Gerrard going up against Khedira (the two box-to-box midfielders), Carrick against Ozil and Lampard against Schweinsteiger. Carrick would have been responsible for providing the platform and setting the tempo, Gerrard would provide the energy and up the tempo and Lampard would have been the 10. Considering all three of those players have won the CL, it would be very defeatist to think they could not match the German midfielders.
The thing that always bothers me is Gareth Barry never gets any blame for this match!
Dietmar Hamann legend!
Well, what a nice person.
Didi avoids talking about Stevie.
7:01 this problem is still holding England back in international tournaments
@SoLazy100 I agree - I think Mourinho would do the best job but cannot see him leaving Real Madrid at the moment. As for English managers, all I will say is Revie, Greenwood, Taylor, Hoddle, McLaren.
Venables too dodgy off the pitch to have been kept on for 1998 (hence Hoddle's appointment), and Sir Bobby eventually did well after many years trying.
why do you guys talk about the english team needs an english manager or every nation should have a manager from their country? what would you say if you got mourinho, hiddink, scolari?
Yay Germany
its not the culture of the English game thats the problem Teams like Man city Arsenal etc are encouraged to keep the ball and play a possession based game, its that the creative players in those teams are foreign. There are no English players in the premiership who are creative players.
At international levels, you need players in a team who understand the opponent and prioritize the short possession game because that's what gets you to win knockout games. Not 11 names and headless chicken kick-and-hope football. Exactly what you are saying.
Germany were miles better, England were robbed of a goal. To be fair, England did NOT blame the disallowed goal for their exit.
@72krikri yeah he talks like a native speaker, fantastic.
@ThaReaper01 I agree...i know the final score was 4;1 but don't over do it...i don't know that last 20 mins of the last half but the last 10 mins certainly and the first 10;15 mins of the second half Germany looked frail.............
technique & teamplay , thats all
England need a strong and aggressive leader who can bring the best out of the players. It has been very long that England has not won any major tournaments like euros and even world cups since 1966.
They need more than a aggressive leader in charge, even the best manager ever would struggle to get a successful England team, the players are just not good enough at international level (in terms of technical ability and skill), we are years behind teams such as Germany, Argentina, Spain, etc, it basically comes down to grass roots levels being 20 years behind the teams I've just mentioned and not enough English players getting a chance in the premier league cause of all the foreign players, granted I know the fa changed the grass root levels about 2 years ago to how they train youngsters in Germany, Spain etc, but we will not see if has worked for at least 10 years, they should have changed it when everyone else did years ago.
Maybe the Golden Generation didn't really underachieve. *They just weren't that good.* Players like Ozil, Neuer, Khedira for Germany in that game when on to win the next World Cup. The only ever time we came close to a Golden Generation was like you said, 1966, but again, that was at home and football was different then. Even then, there were better teams. Maybe if we want a Golden Generation, we haven't *actually* had one and we are still waiting for one.
@@SuperTed19021 To be fair as a team they weren't the best but individually they were mostly top players
I see his point but no English people were sitting at home saying ‘they should have overcome that’ when Henry hand balled it against them in the qualifiers. Personal bias shouldn’t prevent you from slaughtering FIFA when they are so corrupt and incompetent.
hamann alter was hat der fuern english drauf...like a boss
England your time will come , im sure. You have to implement/improve your youth-soccer education schools. This is what happened in Germany. We had the same problems, old and non motivated players. i dont like WC or European Championships without an english team. Best regards form Frankfurt/Germany!
Fuck off Jack Ass..
Many ex-players like Roy Keane and Alan Shearer have been saying this for years. The FA is completely at fault here. Their minds are poisoned by short-term gains instead of long-term commitments. The FA also doesn't support any type of style in the senior team. You watch teams like Argentina, Spain, Germany, and The Netherlands and you can identify their play style. England doesn't have one. Too many individuals on that pitch right now.
Didi kann ja nich mal mehr richtig Müller aussprechen...der sagt auch schon Muller...xDxDxD
Wirklich wahr. Traurig !
Juckt keinen meter
@WA192 dont think england need to play like spain ,holland played great football for years and last won in euro 88 ,if englang just play like england but as a team they would do fine
Hamman's face @ 3:06! LOL!
hamman still going is mad
da hast du recht... like a englishman
3:07..awesome twitch
I'm English and England are crap. We do not have the technique....the only world class player we have is Wilshere and he is always injured.
How’s that turn out u horrible pessimist, on our way to euro victory.
English players lack the stamina to win a great tournament.You need a winter-break guys.Without a break the english team is too exhasted to go through a tournament.One can see it every time in the second half they are totally knackered
@eisenherz188 So at the beginning the main reason for bringing in young players was basically money!
And that`s the problem for England: There is too much money involved in the EPL - And the bigger problem is that it comes basically from "guys" who are not english and do not really have an interest in developing young english players!
Their main goal is the sucess of the clubs they invested their money in!
"Ozil gets it, BANG its 4-1" Welcome To Arsenal
*Long comment ahead!!!!* Coming from an Englishman, "The Golden Generation" was overrated as *crap!* The *only* world class players that England produced during that period in my opinion were Paul Scholes, Michael Carrick and Rio Ferdinand (a Man United trio who were all treated *terribly,* with one of the trio finally having the sense to quit and focus on club pursuits instead of wasting time before being driven out like the two latter), Ashley Cole, Michael Owen (when he was fit) and maybe Frank Lampard (if some manager knew that he was a striker and not a striker in midfield). *5 definiates and 1 potential in all!* There were at the time hardly any strikers - Jermain Defoe and Darren Bent at the best of times were both flaky, but Peter Crouch & Emile Heskey? *Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!* The so-called "speed-demons" like Aaron Lennon, Theo Walcott and Shaun Wright-Philips were ineffective. John Terry was average as *heck* and a liability (alas countless managers built the team around him instead of Ferdinand which was *beyond* criminal). Wayne Rooney could have and might have been world class when he was the on the right side of 20, but could never kick on from his Everton years (another Terry in my eyes). Joe Cole, Steven Gerrard, Owen Hargreaves, Sol Campbell, Jamie Carragher, The Neville Bros. were good players, but were *never* world class. David Beckham, while decent at best, was *completely* overrated : great man, great servant and all that, but he could *only* do dead balls, useless Hollywood passes and free kicks (he might as well misinterpret it for "American Football"). Most of the midfielders like Gareth Barry, Scott Parker, James Milner, David Bentley, Jermaine Jenas, Stewart Downing etc. were let's say, "bang-average" at best. A lot of the defenders were below-average to plain horrid, like Glen Johnson, Phil Jagielka, Matthew Upson, Joleon Lescott, Gary Cahill, Wayne Bridge etc. Goalies? *pah!* David James, Joe Hart, Robert Green, Scott Carson, Paul Robinson .... *sums the whole thing up.* What we badly needed was a proper holding/attacking midfielder in a Modric/Ronaldo mould (probably was someone out there somewhere), but because managers were too scared to drop both/or either Lampard or Gerrard, it went unattended. *At the least* have Lampard on his own as an attacking midfield if you must! And when they finally did, they *unbelievably* chose Barry over Carrick. *Don't get me started* on picking Terry over Rio as captain!!!! Just really in the end; terrible management that was built around the wrong players, captains, tactics, formations etc. *No wonder* they never came close to winning anything. Greece had no stars *at all,* but with a good team ethic and coach, they won the 2004 Euros with a previous pathetic record and hardly anyone knowing who Otto Rehhagel was. You *at least* need a functioning, coherent team/management to success at international level, not a collection of *so-called* stars being led a *supposedly* world class management.
haha Lampard ...Engerland fans rammed 66 in our faces, so heres karma
what does RTE stand for by the way.......
Raidió Teilifís Éireann (Radio & Television of Ireland).
I am not a racist either - Bazinga!
Very good analysis from non english media.
when you listen to English pundits, it's " were gonna win world cup, we have very good players". but then when they get knocked out, there like, what's wrong with england... simple fact england can do simple passing. they need to practice passing
They won the world cup 47 years ago! You're saying this like they usually win stuff and they just had a poor game. The current England squad as a team is dung! All the players who play for England don't want to work together. They have a mindset where they think "I'm the best so get out of my way!" They don't work as a team and in future they will be equally as fucked because the FA can't manage to set up a youth system where kids work together and play football
john hesky :D
Schön war's!
na klar
What did you *expect* when the FA are run by businessmen who have *never* been influenced by sport in their entire lives and expect international football to be like club football. They expected Capello to wave a magic wand on the England squad like he did with Real Madrid, forgetting the fact that it *IS* a completely different plate of pasta compared to club football. Germany are/were run by people who understand football of all kinds. England were run by people who held no difference to football *then* let's say running a cod factory, along with the fact they were completely cowed by the ever-mighty Premier League. They also dithered on St. George's Park in Burton (which opened 10 years *too* late), and employed the likes of Stuart Pearce (a journeyman left-back who struck lucky internationally during an era of Lineker/Gascoigne/Shearer) to run England youth teams who *himself* had *little to no* interest in youth development aside giving him something to do until management in club football (probably just ending up at a League 1 or 2 team) came calling again (not to mention Pearce was an *almighty* follower of Charles Reep's hoofball bible). He and his FA employers *alone* were the epitome of 2002-2016 England national team in a nutshell.
@ole941 Should have it every 2 years instead and ditch a big chunk of club football.
Özil
@eisenherz188 Well you should tell the whole story: Indeed Germany didn`t do its homework after the 1990 World Cup and indeed Germany changed its you development system after EURO 2000 - But the big breaking point was the so called "Kirch crisis"!
The "Kirch group" was a german media company which had signed a huge TV deal with the Bundesliga - This company went broke and this forced the german clubs to cut costs and bring in their own young players!
Wow, Didi's really got that Liverpudlian accent... ^^
let's face it, england deserved to win..arf
The maxim Divine Right of Kings ( Mon Dieu et Mon Droit ) falls flat on its face over and over again. Pity to be so deluded.
This is Irish tv, not British
4:15 to 4:30 is wat england are all about its y dey dont win shit
Germany/Deutschland is playing successfully. 4 x ⭐⭐⭐⭐
@producethegoods21 So if Ronaldinho or Pele had been English, you wouldn't have picked them? Hmm. Don't you think it's more likely that culture has more to do with football than race?
Irish slagging england off..haaa
Hamman is Irish?
@Mezzo396 England players give their money as salary for playing for England to charity...get your facts right....
Woy Hodgson will improve that. He encourages quality footie.
Oh no, wait...
I'm watching football since 1976 and the only time I've ever seen England play well was in Euro 96......they've always been massively overrated.
Martin Kelly true
98, England were good, 2002 lost to Brazil that won it .. Lost to Argentina on penalties.. Even 2006 again penalty loss.. The worst team is this 2010..
I'm watching football since is a nice German expression. Ich schaue Fußball seit...
Collectively as a team I agree for the most part but as for some of the individual players in this 2010 squad it's not true. It was kind of a mixed bag. Yes Terry, Cole, Gerrard, Lampard and Rooney, and even Milner and Defoe seemed very good, but on the other hand you had Upson, Johnson, Barry, David James, Heskey, Lennon, Wright-Phillips who were not good enough to play for England at big tournaments
England expects...Poland/Ukraine....3 Lions on a shirt, One Nation-One Goal, Cant wait for all the bullshit hype again...and again...and again. Schadenfreude...cant beat it.
I'll explain my opinion once and for all. I don't think that England will be "back" anytime soon because the England squad as a team don't play well. I believe that this is because 1) the players are individuals and although many are talented they lack teamwork skills. 2) the youth system in england is corrupted and needs to change. Look at the best teams in the world. They all have a "B" team where youth players get experience. My logic isn't crippled and if I was gay, there would be no problem
Fast forward 12 years since the World cup in 2010 things have improved alot regarding the youth system. The England team now looks much better
im fuming Germany have qualified they have disrespected Austria in a football match they deserved a 2-0 lost
be*, *after
The Irony is, The Irish Republic has never won or done Fuck all.
Lol England winning
England made a dogs bollox of it. I dont rate Capello. 6 m a year for this shite.
That is probably one if the most racist things I've ever read........does Brazil not win with the diversity they have? Sone of the English citizens have African roots.
I don't think Brazil has ever hired a non Brazilian manager,,, and all of the most successful nations hire managers from within the country
I agree but I think we also need to get some Turkish and Polish players and give them new passports.
Half joking :)
I am not literally black.. but whatever floats your boat.
I am quarter black myself, so how am I a racist?
Germany dint diserve to winn!!!!!!
You are no english. At least I hope it for England.
MrDekkert who told u if im english or not and what does it make difference if im enlish or not
Your misspelling told me.
MrDekkert if im misspelling in english languague it doesnt mean im not english!!!!!
*****
Therefore I wrote: At least I hope it for england. 3 Faults in five words is heavy.