What if Obi Wan Led the Jedi During the Clone Wars
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You seem to forget that Ukraine is a dictatorship just like Russia, I hope the people's of both countries throw their tyrannical leaders out of power and embrace democracy.
could something like moon fall happen?
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What you're doing is grand, and important. You should be proud of what you're doing, because we are proud of what you're doing.
The "High Ground" doctrine would become the most important doctrine of the jedi, emphasizing the important and exploitation of the high ground on all battlefields
Importants?
@@DMSProduktions It is essential to learn the High Ground, wouldn't want to end up ike poor ani do you?
@@milky_oreos Woosh! But you are right, however, that was NOT the aim of my reply!
Not only physical, but he would also take the moral high ground
I mean yeah, orbital supremacy around a planet you're fighting on is critical, no question. That's what you're talking about... right?
I could sort of see Obi-Wan as a Optimus Prime-esque leader for the Jedi Order. He's a true Jedi, a great leader, and his heart is always at the right place. Just like Optimus, sans the Jedi part. Also Optimus was better than his predecessors in terms of morale, they weren't great Primes.
What a way to kill Yoda đđ
Right? The most anticlimactic end.
I think that a Jedi leader, more than helping the Republic should help the other Jedi to connect more and better with the Force. The best Jedi Master would have been the one who works the most on Jedi arrogance so that humility shows all the darkness that surrounded the galaxy at that time.
He would also be in a better position to properly counsel Anakin regarding Padme. Far better than Yoda's "lmao, get over it."
Yodas advice made a lot of sence and if Anakin was able to follow it, he wouldnt have fallen to the Dark Side. Remember that Yoda, other than Obi Wan, didnt know about Anakins strong passion towards Padme.
@@abraham2172 Telling someone not to mourn loss is terrible advice on every level.
@@antman1001000 Anakin was not a regular guy, he was a member of the jedi order. One can not judge Yodas advice from a normal perspective.
@@abraham2172 No wonder they all died if apparently they can't be judged with basic common sense that a normal person can understand.
@@antman1001000 Normal persons are not in danger of falling to the dark side and kill everyone off, like it could happen to jedi getting emotinally attached to loved ones, hence Yoda advices Anakin to not get attached in the first place. Maybe he didnt know it was already to late for that kind of advice because Anakin kept his relationship with Padme a secret.
I do feel like Obi-Wan as the Grandmaster of the Jedi Order would have led to him deciding to change so many things within their doctrine, as well as ending the war as soon as possible
I hope so, though you might be right. By the time A New Hope, he was talking smack about how the Jedi sucked.
Well the Jedi didnât decide when the war ended palpatine quite literally did and would prolong it as much as possible in so many ways even if obi was cunningly unmatched on his strategy the separatist forces were beyond trillions and they werenât really trying to win the war just prolong it so they still could if they wanted to and I donât think heâd change the Jedi code because he was a follower of it but he might change there philosophy and how they view things
@@11bluekitkats he would've changed it, and that would have essentially forced Palpatine into changing his plans
@@adamd5849 there code no there philosophy maybe the war yes to change the code the whole council at least would have to agree
I agree with this tenfold. I too believe in democracy over War I firmly believe that Obi-Wan Kenobi could have made things a lot different
Obi-Wan for Chancellor!!!
@@theawesomeman9821 I second that motion!!
Diplomacy*
@@xminusone1 Diplomacy over Anarchy!!!
It was Obi-Wan who noticed a celestial anomaly in the Jedi archives. By researching the movement of stellar comets and Asteroids, Obi-Wan noticed that a large gravity body was missing from the star chart. It was there that he found the planet Kimono.
He wouldâve been one hell of a leader.
The master of the plot armor and the high ground (and trolling) as the leader of the Jedi Order... poor saps...
And if we take at part of legends without the bio-chip, I believe more clones would have gone against order 66.
Fugging hate how much stuff was just brushed aside into being 'non-canon'. Don't care, RC series is still canon.
@@DetectiveLance rc series? Republic commandos?
@@daltonevans3412 aye
So happy I'm not the only 1 who sees Kenobi as the best case scenario in any what if series
They would all start trolling the CIS
I suspect they would drink tea more often. Just a feeling.
BRIâISH
So civilized
Coffee, is an EARTH drink! (NO 'Earth' in SW univese! )
@@DMSProduktions but tea leaves could exist or it isnât earthy tea
@@DMSProduktions in legends at least I know they have "caf" which is similar
"Mr. Speaker, we are for the big."
What if Qui Gon Gin had been in charge? Would he be a better leader and strategist?
I don't think he would have let the jedi even get involved in the first place if he had full control.
The Jedi were set up in every way, when it comes to the war. When they would fight the Separatists on a captured world, even if they won, they were not able to stay and help the local populations recover. They had to hurry and move out to face the next battle.
This caused the peoples of the Galaxy to see the Jedi as warlords who aren't helping the people at all. This was Palpatine's strategy to turn public opinion against the Jedi. Of course in his mind, I'm sure he felt he was simply showing the galaxy the true nature of the Jedi.
After all, the Jedi were always known to have claimed to be nothing more than peacemakers on the Galaxy. Now they looked like they were liars all along.
This war also had the effect of distancing the Jedi from the Force. This happened, in part, because the Jedi were serving the needs of the war, instead of the needs of the Force. This steady decline hindered their ability to use the Force completely.
Weakling their powers helped Palpatine to hide in plain sight.
And if the Jedi tried to stay out of the war to reconnect with the Force, the general public would take this as the jedi essentially abandoning them in their time of need. This would lead to the general public to turn against the Jedi sooner.
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Obi wan is my favourite jedi and i feel one of the wisest and strongest. If he was a grandmaster it would be really cool to see in a what if episode
Question do you think Obi-Wan would have been able to figure out who Darth sidious was since he would been the leader of the Jedi?
He didn't trust Palpatine, look to his conversations with Anakin. He would've figured it out.
@@koelekahuna9370 Feel like it was more that they couldn't prove he was a Sith then them not knowing he was a Sith
He would have had suspicions and jedi would only interact with him as necessary
I believe he did sense palpatine in the phantom menace when he mentioned something didnât feel right, he was the only jedi to be able to do so
Palpatine wouldve stopped him before he found out his true identity.
I think while he is intelligent I donât think he would figure out palpatineâs plot as palpatine is incredibly cunning I do think he would unknowingly put a stop to his plans without even realising who palpatine actually is. I also think that Obi-Wan would bring peace talks with the CIS. Once he talks to them as Iâm sure he would do, he would realise the CIS isnât all bad just the people behind them, and all they want is support and to not be used by the republic and that they had genuine reason to hate the republic and I think Obi-Wan would help relieve these planets in the CIS
He was good. But dunno if he'd faired too well trying to lead the WHOLE war effort AND Order. In MANY ways he proved to be great mid to high level management. But there was alot he never seemed to get or be willing to do if it meant the best for the war or sometimes given situations
Every clone would have to greet their commanders with "Hello there"
This needs a part 2
Forget the Jedi Order, Obi-Wan should have become a politician and ran to become Prime Minister or Chancellor of the Galactic Republic on a populist platform.
I need continuous parts to these kinds of videos. These are really cool and fix so many issues I had with the Jedi.
They honestly need to make a what-if for star wars
id go nuts for a series of just this topic but for a lot of other stuff it could be cool too
Iâd love to see qui-gon.
His maverick ways definitely pose a complete different scenario than what happened
What about the droid attack on the high ground?
I love these what ifs you should do more!
I really enjoyed this one. Could we get a Part 2? This is a really neat idea that I think deserves more than a single 12 minute video exploring it.
Also, didn't Obi-Wan once say that he wasn't brave enough for politics? I guess that's how he feels about it beyond his allegiance to democracy. So I guess he probably wouldn't want to hold any kind of political office himself. Even though being in charge of the Jedi is kind of a political position anyway, at least in this era.
If Obi Wan had been made honcho, he would have posed a threat to Palpatineâs plans and the future emperor would have had him eliminated.
A bit tricky to do that without endangering Anakin, but I'm sure Palpatine would have found a way. Maybe play off Anakin's impulsiveness, separate them in battle, then run the Grievous's Jedi-killing function.
@@samueldimmock694 Or thegood ol' hiring of a skilled Bounty Hunter. Except, unbestknown to EVERYBODY, he'd be arranging an entire situation to favor the Hunter as much as possible.
The Bounty Hunter and everyone else would think Obi-wan's death was entirely on the CIS' order and the Bounty Hunter's own merit, when in reality Palpatine had the whole place and event at the palm of his hands.
@@MrDibara That would work too, so long as Palpatine was able to keep his nose clean--no easy task, given that it is the assassination of the lead Jedi in the middle of a war and that the best bounty hunter in the business (at least as far as killing Jedi was concerned) failed to kill him before the war started and also died at Geonosis, but probably no harder than engineering the war in the first place.
@@samueldimmock694 Not harder then anything else he had to pull from the shadows with nobody noticing.
Palpatine could easily create a situation on some battlefield (with Dooku's help) to create a tough enough situation for Obi-wan and his forces. No reinforcements under the pretense they were "unexpectedly intercepted", a lack of supplies to help the long prolonged battle, an intel from Republic intelligence that "tragically proved to be wrong", leading to further losses and a harsher struggle... all this while simultaneously opening up an oportunity for the hired Bounty Hunter to better assassinate him.
And not only that, but also making it seem like the CIS simply hired the Bounty Hunter and the guy or girl simply took advantage of the chaos on the battlefield.
No one would suspect a bigger conspiracy, whether the attempt was successful or not.
On the topic of Jango Fett, *his purpose was never to kill Obi-wan, but instead to lead him to Geonosis and make the Republic aware of the CIS' army.* (so the Clone Wars could start)
_If only good ol' Jango knew that._
By all estimates he was caught completely off guard.
- he was apperantly hired to assassinate a Senator, only for the whole thing to fail because of two Jedi protectors that "conveniently were present for the occasion".
- he is suddenly visited by one of the same two Jedi that thwarthed the assassination, even though it was supposedly impossible for him to be tracked back to Kamino. _(what good fortune that Obi-wan's pal was familiar with their tech)_
- while attempting to leave with his son before shit hits the fan, *he is once again met with that same Jedi, this time trying to apprehend him.* I honestly give Jango props here, he fought well considering he and Boba were caught unprepared while trying to leave. _(facing a Jedi is no small deal)_
- he and his son flee to Geonosis, back to his boss, *only to find out that same blasted Jedi was on his tail again.* He tries to shake him off and kill him and is actually convinced he succeeded, _which of course was not acyually the case._
- then of course we have the skirmish on the arena. Now Jango indeed should've been smarter here. The whole place was a chaotic mess and _at that point when he entered,_ things could've gone 50-50. *And so they did, when he flew in to disarm Mace Windu of his lightsaber, only to fail and get rammed over by a space rhino.* _(how the hell he was still alive after that will always be a mistery to me)_
- And as luck would have it, that ramming broke his jetpack. Sadly, Jango didn't notice this and when he saw Mace bull rushing him he decided to try his luck with his marksmanship shots before bailing if things got tough. *Which didn't work, cause said jetpack got broken.* And you know the rest. _(homie probably should've gone for the flamethrower)_
So as you can see, using Jango Fett is not an adequate argument here.
Literally EVERY SINGLE SITUATION was against him during the events of Attack of the Clones.
Expert Jedi killer or not, Jango still wasn't going to pull out a miracle against so many odds working *against him.*
This is the complete opposite of my suggested idea of Palpatine setting up an entire situation *in favor* of the hired Bounty Hunter, while simultaneously creating all sorts of disadvantages for Obi-wan. Yes, it could still fail, but the chances of Kenobi dying are suddenly miles higher now.
And as I've mentioned, orchestrating such events while making it seem like he had zero involvement is basically Palpatine's expertise. He successfully done this multiple times throught the Clone Wars.
@@MrDibara I'm pretty sure that's what I said. It would be difficult to engineer the right situation without anybody realizing, but far from impossible, and Palpatine is a master at such machinations.
Based on how Jango Fett acted in the movie, I'm pretty sure he was trying to kill Obi-Wan and thought he had succeeded, though I doubt he would have made such a mistake if he'd done the sort of careful research he probably did on all his targets. I don't doubt that Palpatine manipulated events so that the Jedi just so happened to learn of the clone army and the Separatist threat, but I do doubt that Jango was aware of this. Therefore, I conclude that Jango can't reliably beat Obi-Wan in a fair one-on-one fight without favorable battlefield conditions or special tactics developed to fight Kenobi specifically (both of which he is more than capable of doing), and that Kenobi could successfully fake his death if Jango weren't at the top of his game (which he likely would be).
When I said that Jango was already dead, the only thing I meant was that he was not available to take the bounty on Obi-Wan, so Palpatine would have to settle for a less capable bounty hunter and would therefore have to give said bounty hunter greater advantages. I did not mean to imply anything about his capability or that of Mace Windu, especially not when Windu has a Force ability called Shatterpoint which sometimes allows him to see weaknesses in things that are otherwise invisible and exactly how to exploit them, and sometimes does nothing useful at all.
Best jedi decision of the clone wars: etan ordering dar to countermand any stupid decisions she makes.
If more jedi had had that humility and understanding of their limitations (especially in a role they have never attempted) the clone wars would have been over in weeks.
And boy, palps would have been pissed lol.
Best vlog ever
Well done
You guys are legends
If I remember correctly the trade federation (and other larger businesses with seats in the senate) were required by law to be neutral in all forms of warfare, and equally have a representative among both sides so food shortages could be limited. I think it was called the law of 1838 or something similar. Also I do believe Nute Gunray was on the separatist council yet he was also a member of the trade federation and the republic knew that.
In hindsight, we know that the events that transpired led to the balance of the Force, with Anakin "The Chosen One" Skywalker playing the instrumental role to bring out that balance. That's not to say if Obi-Wan led the Jedi Order, this would not have happened. I'd like to think that under Obi-Wan's leadership, Anakin "The Chosen One" Skywalker would've had the support and stability he needed to overcome Palpatine's persuasion. This would ultimately lead to Palpatine's defeat at the hands of Anakin "The Chosen One" Skywalker.
Knowing this would break Original Trilogy continuity, I'd like to an alternate history series where Obi-Wan leads the Jedi Order during the Clone Wars.
I love democracy too! Also great video, Obi Wan would have a been a formidable leader of the GAR and the Jedi. He was not so aloof and stuck in the metaphysical like Yoda, and much smarter, emotional stable, and more thoughtful than a lot of the other Jedi.
Maybe the Jedi could of survived order 66 if obi wan was the grand Master
Make more of these what ifs
Amazing video tech. Obi-wan would definently make all those changes and it would irritate palpatine so much that he would make a mistake and reveal himself.
If Obi-Wan Kenobi wants the head of the Jedi and the Grandmaster could he have turned Count Dooku back to the light
Quick thought, do you think Dooku sensed Obi-Wan when he was spying overhead? Don't know why I have never thought of that...
Why don't just have Yoda retired and somehow, Obi-wan is given the position instead of Mace Windu? After all Yoda was ready to retire by the time of the Clones Wars according to source of canon.
How would mandalore have responded to obi wan being the Grand Master?
Wow, you should make more what if star wars videos
the Most Compassionate General of all times...
I keep expecting the Droid army to come over the rise on that screen behind Alan. I guess one can only hope.
could we get a part 2 or a what if about plo koon being the grandmaster?
For some reason, everytime i here Obi's name, my brain goes into its own version of Rap Name by Obie Trice(also, the intro to Without Me by Eminem).
"Obi-Wan, real name, no gimmicks...."
So Obi Wan becomes the savior of the galaxy. I like it. He calls out Anakin about his relationship with Padme and swears to keep it a secret and help where ever he can, Anakin's loyalty never faulters and he finds evidence against Palpatine and brings it to the senate where the whole order is lying in wait with a battalion of clones with removed inhibitor chips.
Cool fact, the structure of the Jedi Order was based on the Crusader Knights Templar which was ruled by a celubite Grand Master Knight.
What do you think about the trandoshians feeling towards the empire and if they decided to help the empire hunt the Wookiees or if they decided to fight against the empire
In a perfect timeline
amazing
There's another thing because of Obi-Wan leading and having the Jedi move to Grand strategy, the Jedi would be so much harder to take down and kill so many padawans and Masters because they would be on ships full of more clones they would be leading multiple different troops of clones to go and do their grand strategy and because they're not on the field technically the sith would need a lot more assassins versus general grievous because he is a blunt instrument versus Ventress, a perfect killer. Also, grievous might have a more challenging time if he's on the field because clones do not care if they kill him and the Jedi weren't killer enough. Grievous.
Hello there friends welcome back to another episode of Generation Tech, my name is Allen
brilliant
I think it would be a net negative for Obi-Wan to take leadership of the Jedi military operations, primarily because his new responsibilities would have kept him further from the battlefield, and unable to have the operational freedom he enjoyed as a General. Like it was said in the video, he was aware of his responsibilities to his troops, so he would have been tied up with logistics, supply lines and strategy, effectively taking one of the Jedi's most gifted general off the board. I also think Obi-wan would be more susceptible to the machinations of Palpatine than Yoda, and the Sith Lord would have been able to manipulate him just as easily, if not more so, than he manipulated the Order under Yoda. Also, the emperor would definitely have exploited his relationship to Annakin, using him as either a spy or a foil against the Jedi and Obi-wan. I think at the end of the day you get the same result, The Jedi are killed off, and the Emperor ascends to power, only it happens faster under Obi-wan's leadership, not because he's a bad leader but because he's so good that few Jedi could reproduce his success as a general and diplomat, so victories he secured under Yoda's leadership would not happen under his, because he's busy in Coruscant leading a massive galactic scale military operation.
I wonder if you have ever thought about the fact that we often see Star Wars sagas branded by the starships?
The Clone Wars we think of Venators, the Original Trilogy-Imperial Star Destroyers and so forth. What Iâm asking is, what if we saw an Victory class SD in the background over the battle over Coruscant, would it have changed anything in some peopleâs minds? I often look over Ansel Hisaoâs artwork and I think, how could the Imperator class have fit into the GARâs operational philosophy. The Jedi must have been ignorant to the fact that the Clone Wars were nearing itâs conclusion and all of that fire power and crew numbers had to seem to have dark overtones. Maybe youâve covered some aspects of these topics but updates for old material never ends! I really believe the Jedi just couldnât wait for the Clone Wars to end so they could go back to lounging around, eating cheeseballs and watching pod racing in the temple!
Youre in desperate need of more knowledge about the jedi order and its activities before TPM. I highly recommend the book Darth Plagueis, there youll get to know everything that happened.
Hey Alan, if by chance you notice this comment, you think you could do an analysis on Imperial Task Force 99 to determine if it's a more effective unit than Clone Force 99?
Everyone is short sighted compared to Yoda.
I think he would have been great as leader đ thanks
How would it affect Anakin's turn to the dark side?
I like this Star Wars what if
What if a kyber crystal used to channel an matter\antimatter in place of dilithum crystal?
Can you please continue the sepratist alliance vs earth series please
Fun thx
We need more people like you Alan
What about how yodas death would have effected events down the line such as Lukeâs training?
I would stand by master kenobi I hope he is able to reform the order after the war so we have more warriors instead of peacekeepers.
Yoda's cruiser wasn't destroyed it left the system, after he escaped to the moon with thire, rys, and jek.
Its a what if, in this scenario they where destroyed in the canon episode that is what happened.
@@matthewal9545 oh
Well this should be interesting.
Obi wan speedrun to Grandmaster
When is he going to do part 5 on Earth vs the separatists?
Find a way to get the earth in star wars by boofire to review.
A little bit of projection of what you would have done on what Obi-Wan would have done but still, not bad.
Obi Wan Kenobi is the man! :D
What would happen if obi wan joined the separatist when he was captured during episode 2
What really bothered me is that the fact that Obi-Wan found the clone army during an investigation on a bounty hunter linked with Dooku didn't got massive red flags for the Jedi council. How could there not be a massive investigation in Kamino, Syfo Dyas, Tyrannus. A full overview of the fabrication process of the clones by temple healers. Why didn't the council just put Obi-Wan or any other Jedi investigator on this 24/7? Surely the possibility of a Trojan horse seems more dangerous than a Jedi missing from one battlefield. I understand that Jedis like Yoda waited for the Force to give them a serendipitous revelation and Mace Windu just wanted to kick ass. However it bothers me that Obi-Wan the rational minded investigator just dropped the very suspicious series of coincidences
I think events just overtook them. Immediately afterwards they found themselves embroiled in the greatest war in hundreds of years, and every Jedi was needed on the front lines. It's also quite possible Palpatine ran interference, creating tailored crises or assignments to Jedi that might be on the case. Maybe Obi-Wan starts an investigation, but before he gets anywhere a crisis arises on Mandalore or a nearby system that needs his attention. There's a lot you can do running both sides.
It also does not help that a lot of Jedi knights and masters were killed on Geonosis, dropping the number that could be spared for an investigation.
@@CaptainKeen Probably this, Palpatine started the invation of Coruscant specifically because the Jedi where getting too close to his identity and needed to distract them. It would make sense that he also did it a number of other times.
the morality bothers me more. How conveniant that at a time of war pops up a multi milion army of "expendable" clones.
Basically human lives made to die for someone else's battles. Lead to battle and death by peaceful protector of live- the jedi order.
I understand from writing point of view that it was made to show how far has the jedi order fallen but the lack of thought a morality of it also takes me out of immersion when we have space monks do it. Especially Anakin, who was a slave as much as these clones are.
@@miqvPL Remember that the Jedi don't have autonomy, they didn't chose to be generals in the army, they didn't chose their soldiers. The senate made the choice for them. The Jedi themselves where essentially drafted.
Did Ezra bridger\maul lead the inquisitor to obi-wan by accident?
Hello there.
Basically really fuck up sidious plans even more than he already did lol sidious must hate him more than yoda
What if Rahm Kota was the Grand Jedi Master? He wouldâve had Jedi Masters and Padawans lead planetary militias while knights would act as commandos, intelligence officers and missionaries. He wouldâve left the clones under the command of Republic officers while using volunteers and having secret redoubts for the Jedi and their allies.
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The Jedi would always have the high ground
You could say that Obi-Wan would hold the moral, tactical and political high ground if he was the Grandmaster...
What if Palpatine's treacherous actions were outed to Dooku and Grievous? (Killing Grievous's GF, and replacing Dooku with Vader.)
I could see that resulting in chaos.
Dooku splits with Palpatine and tries to take personal control of the Separatists, he outs Palpatine to the Jedi to undermine his former master, resulting in essentially a second civil war within the ongoing civil war.
Grievous takes as much of his army as he can muscle control over and goes rogue just killing Republic, Separatist, Jedi, Sith, and everything between and beyond.
I like to think of this all starting because Palpatine forgets his mic is still on while giving them hoody-orders.
Obi Wan Kenobi would have been vital against the fight against Emperor PalPUTIN
The problem here is that the Obi Wan we see throughout the Clone Wars and later is the direct result of the experiences he had from all the events that transpired. He would not have been the same Jedi had he not gone through everything he did and have all the experiences that arose from the decisions made by others. Obi Wan was forged in the crucible of those experiences. A young, inexperienced Obi Wan would not have made a good leader. He would have lacked a meaningful frame of reference.
Therfore he would need to be involved in the clone wars as general, getting experience on the field. This won't help the jedi and clone relations to start better or losing less troops at the beginning, but when he is put in charge the changes would be far more visible and his policies would gain more support in comperison to generations techs vision.
...if Obi-wan had never uncovered the existence of the Clone Army...were they going to be used to defend the Republic...or in a surprise attack...?
How could the clones be "more" resistant to Order 66? They had chips installed to directly carry out Order 66? Kenobi wouldn't have been able to stop the downfall of the Republic anymore than a mosquito could stop a rhino. The Sith had a plan as perfect as any created before. Turn the army against the Jedi, and if they wised up to it, claim the Jedi were trying to murder the "President of the United States", in a way. It's genius really...
The clones would be more resistant to the inhibitor chips because they'd be closer to their Jedi allies. Rex's close relationship with Ahsoka is a good example.
Hogwash. My allegiance is to Generation Tech!
The Jedi would be in Bascar and Kenobi would have Satine
If he had trusted Jedi do investigations and those Jedi (by the time of the investigation) had respect for the clones, they may have started snooping around Kamino a lot more and uncover the corruption there, possibly discovering the chips and removing them from the equation.
What would Thrawn be like if he was a jedi/sith? Or otherwise had to rule over his own group of force users?
Do you think he would have let Anakin become a Jedi master?
âWe have morons among us.â Well said.
Obi Wan would have been a far better leader, which means Palps would have him assassinated.
Nothing really would be different. The jedi as a whole were flawed.