Tim Vickery’s tribute to Pele - the king of the global game
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- OTB’s Michael McCarthy was joined by football writer Tim Vickery to examine the reaction to football legend Pele’s death and the legacy he leaves for Brazil and the world.
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Pele was super important for us who are descendants of slaves, in his time we didn't have teachers, nobody in the media, Pele was the only one. He made me a little girl, focus and dream that everything would be possible, I stopped focusing on the negative because of Pele I started to dream. I love Pele
Beautiful tribute well done.
Wow.
So well put. He meant more than I think he knew.😭
Well said and agreed !
Pele was born in a time that black people did not have any voice. He, even not in a conscious way, he represents black people not just in Brazil, but worldwide. I am Brazilian who love football despite not seeing he playing in a stadium, he is the most important image of Brazilian football. Thank God Tim lives in Brazil and know how to explain our society so well.
Pele is the GREATEST and here's why..
These are just a few thoughts and facts of my own to add to the many outpourings of love and appreciation to the man who first described the game of football as... "THE BEAUTIFUL GAME"
As well as being only seventeen during the 1958 world cup, Pele did not play in any of the group stage games because he was recovering from a pre-tournament injury, yet he ended up being the tournament's second-top goalscorer with a total of 6 goals.
In other words, all his goals were scored during the business end of the tournament (the knockout stage) and breakdown as follows...
His first goal was scored in the quarter-final (the winning goal), he then score a hat trick in the semi-finals against France, and two more goals in the World Cup final against tournament host Sweden.
Think about it, 6 goals in the 3 most important games of his 17-year-old life (and the 3 most important games every professional footballer dreams of getting a chance to play in (wow!!).
A SIDE NOTE: I was a little bit disappointed that nobody appeared to notice the trivial but nonetheless very interesting fact about a particular game featured in the recent 2022 World Cup...
There was an awful lot of fanfare surrounding the Wales vs USA matchup, because it was the first time Wales were to play in a World Cup finals competition since 1958, where they suffered a hard-fought 1- 0 defeat to Brazil at the quarterfinal stage.
And who do you think scored the single solitary goal?... yes you guess it, 17 year old Pele!!
Pele's very first game (and goal) in the 1958 World Cup would be Wales's last world cup game for 68 years. And as fate would have it, he would get to witness their return just before he died.
Brazil was just another country in 1958, with no name or reputation to speak of on the world stage. By 1970 (just 12 years and 3 world Cups wins later) Brazil was known and celebrated by one and all (to this day) as the best, most important footballing nation in the world. A reputation that has enriched the Brazilian nation with billions of Dollars in football-related trade and sponsorships. I doubt that anyone person has had such an impact on his countries reputation/economic situation in such a short space of time.
Neymar's response to Pele's passing was to point out another very simple fact, "Before Pele, the number 10 was just a number"
Maradona or Messi, it doesn't matter. The skill Pele's displays in his football highlight reels is the most impressive of all (in my opinion) or at the very least stand-up alongside the compilation videos of the best wearers of the number 10 shirt and R9 and CR7 shirt.
But Pele's played in the late 1950s and 60s when only major games were recorded and televised, so his compilation videos are only made up of about 40% of the games he played in, meaning that most of his best work was either not recorded or has been lost (his greatest ever goal for example). So what we see in his completion videos are not even a full and frank reflection of what he did on the football field. In other words every great thing that Maradona, Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar etc has ever done on a football field can be found somewhere in their many completion videos. The same cannot be said for Pele.
There are lots more facts that could be added such as Pele only played 12 years for the Brazilian national team, the world cup winning years (1958 to 1970). They would not win another world cup for 24 years. His club side Santos won 27 trophies during Pele's era (1957-74), having won only 1 trophy before his arrival and none for the 28 years after he retired.
And this might also surprise you...
Santos is the biggest name in Brazilian club football and one of the best know football clubs around the world, yet Santos home stadium has the capacity of a minor league football team that you might expect to find languishing in the second or third tire.
Where Man Utd, Real Madrid, AC Millan, Barcelona etc all have stadiums in excess of 60 thousand, Santos Stadium capacity is less than 17 thousand. This is because Santos is, and always has been a small town club, that Pele put on the map and made big in the eyes of the world.
BUT WHO IS THE GREATEST FOOTBALLER OF ALL TIME????????...
Ok, I think we can tidy up that discussion here as well....
All boxing fan agree that Sugar Ray Robinson is the best pound-for-pound boxer of all time...
.. but everyone knows that Muhammad Ali is the GREATEST!!
Yes it is actually possible to be the best but not great or be great but not the best. Sugar Ray Robinson is great and clearly is the BEST boxer that ever lived (his record and impressive fight footage speak for themselves) but in light of what Muhammed Ali's achieved and his impact both in and out of the ring, Sugar Ray cannot be considered greater. If what Sugar Ray did in boxing makes him the greatest boxer ever then what superlatives must we use to describe Ali's legacy????...
THE BEST vs THE GREATEST
Who is the best and who is the greatest, are more often than not, one and the same, but not in all instances.
Sugar Ray Robinson is undisputedly the BEST pound-for-pound boxer ever (Ali said so himself) but Muhammed Ali is (and will always be) the GREATEST boxer/sporting personality to ever have walked among us.
You'd have to be so much more than the best in your particular sport to even be considered a worthy contender to Ali. Sugar Ray was a great fighter but Muhammed Ali was something even more, he was greatness personified.
Less we forget that in 1999 a huge voting campaign was launched across the world to discover who the world considered the greatest sports man of the 20th century. Not only did Muhammed Ali win the public vote, nobody even came close. He scored more votes than all the other great sporting celebrities of the last hundred years (including Pele) "COMBINED."
The point I'm trying to get across is that, you might be able to make a stronger case for claiming Maradona, Messi, or Ronaldo the BEST footballers ever but Pele's legacy as the world's first truly global SPORTS icon (not just the first global footballer, or black icon), his skill and ability on the field, his impact on the beautiful history of the beautiful game (as stated here) should leave no one in any doubt as to who is footballs GREATEST son...
Edson Arantes Do Nascimento (Pele)
RIP
By Mr Arthurs.
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Fantastic read! Thank you, Mr Arthurs.
64! Years
@@DuderinoDeux 64 yeas, I stand corrected.
Ps. You're the only one that noticed that.
Such coherent and beautiful analysis,Mr.Arthur.I'm nearly certain Pele himself is blushing(if that's possible) reading this.I think he humbly would even say that he may not be the best,but he was the greatest!
You said all that for which shows how deep Pele runs in our hearts. Yes... 😭😭
We all know who the greatest player of all time is! Pele and no one comes close to the King of football.
No one. PlayStation players say that is Messi or CR7. If Ronaldo fenômeno played at the time o Messi, he would be the one compared to Messi . Pelé is alone on a different level.
Pele and Maradona came from similar backgrounds in tough places and rose like eagles to soar. Pele THE GREAT RIP
Not many people can be considered a living legend pele most definitely was and more
I've been watching loads of tributes and career appraisals on Pelé the last few days, but Tim Vickery's has been the best of the lot! Both here and on Sky.
He's spent years covering football from within South America. And his passion clearly shows.
Pelé was a role Model and meant lots of hope to young Black guys in Brazil during the 60's. My father lived in extreme poverty in his childhood in Salvador da Bahia, Brazil. His father abandoned the whole family in misery, in 1950. Pelé and Sidney Portier saved my father's self-esteem and life. He ended up a Teacher instead of dying... and I had the best father of all (Painho in Portuguese from Bahia) I am really greatful. In a simplistic way, Poitier was like an archetypical father and Pelé like an older brother to so many black Brazilians... people in Europe has no idea of being black and poor in racist Brazil...
@sandman I do not discuss personal opinions, everybody is entitled to have one, but regarding facts, as far as I remember, he dated Deise Nunes, Who was miss Brasil in the 80's, a Black lady... indeed.
Fantastic listen, it's always an education listening to Tim Vickery
100% agree. This was the obituary/discussion I was waiting for.
As always, he's brilliant and love listening to him for all things South American football
It is wonderful to listen to someone who knows the history of football.It is beautiful to read the volume of tributes in favour of this man. I do not recall tributes in such volume when Maradona died.The fact is that Pele transcended football,listening to ESPN two nights ago,a female commentator quoting Johann Cruyff stated the following ,"Pele was the only footballer to surpass the boundaries of logic." She then quoted the legendary Ferenc Puskas who said that the best player he ever saw was Di Stefano.Puskas went on to state that he refused to classify Pele as a player because Pele was above that.Shaka Hislop smiled while these comments were read.I am glad that you mentioned that 1962 Intercontinental Cup between Santos and Benfica in Lisbon where Santos destroyed Benfica 5_2 .Pele scored 3 goals and Coutinho scored 2.There are those who say it was one of his greatest performances,he was a force of nature.There are those who say he never played in Europe, my response is so what.Pele did not play in Europe, he played against European clubs touring with Santos.Santos were in demand,everybody wanted to see them.They were the eqivalent of The Harlem Globetrotters.In 1961 Santos was invited to participate in club tournament in Italy.Among the other teams present were Juventus and Inter Milan.Remember that this is Italy home of il catennacio.That is ultra defensive style of football,it means the bolt,they slam the door shut.Santos would defeat Juve 2_0, with a glorious long range left footed strike from Pele bending the ball across the goal to the far side.In the final Santos defeated Inter 4-1 with Pele scoring a double.The fact is that Santos toured Europe defeating some of the biggest names in Europe. Spending his career at Santos never affected Pele's technical skill and prowess.Mr.Vickery,you are one of the few football scribes who knows footballing history.The fact is that Pele is the yardstick by which we measure greatness in players.Would you believe that this 52 years after 1970.Pele was to football what Muhammad Ali was to boxing and what Sir Gary Sobers was to cricket.The most complete allround player,the greatest.
I agree Patrick Welling, They never moaned Maradona's passing like the way they are doing with Pele. His death is even plastered all over American TV news. And unlike Pele, most of us got to actually see Maradona play at his peak. Having seen Maradona play and there being much more clear footage to analyze and appreciate, Maradona should be the more popular of the two. But now that both great men have passed on, it is clear to see who left the bigger legacy. Because as you rightly pointed out, Pele is the yardstick by which we measure the greatness of players.
TV you are the best of the best ..always love listening to you ...tks mate ..JR
Pelé was a human being
And quite honest he was and will be the best ever footballer in History of the game
No matter what
What Pele was to football,Tim Vickery is to footballing sports journalism.Thanks Tim for a great in depth education surrounding Pele
And Brazil.
This was brilliant Tim made some valid points here
Pelé was so important that he became an adjective. When we see someone exceeding the standard performance we say he/she is the Pelé of… Great tribute. Thanks Tim!
Respect 🇧🇷Tim
Always insightful to listen to Vickery and a great tribute to Pele
When Di Stefano,Cruyff and Beckenbauer considered Pele the greatest.They should know.
Always great to hear the Legendinho
Tim Vickery is just a consistently amazing listen. Thank you OTB for providing this.
Wonderful and insightful comments Tim.
The best journalist talking about the best player.
3:16 Tim is right when he said that. Pele was alwags more measured in his approach, which there is no problem at all. But people identified more with Diego Maradona and Garrincha because they were so relatable to the ordinary people on how they conducted life.
Garrincha and Maradona were just to wild to properly appreaciate their God given gifts, Pele actually got it, that's why he did not abuse it.
@@beyondthepage9389 thats good. But that is the reason why people related more with Maradona and Garrincha. Because life is not perfect.
@@tashrif46 I have to disagree Tashrif. Many like myself loved and appreciate Pele because he had the good sense not to waste his god-given talent, not because he was perfect, because he was not. He just wasn't a total idiot when it came to the way he navigated his career.
Pele had his fair share of scandals and off-the-field shenanigans. He went bankrupt not once but three times so he clearly had his flaws as a personality.
But on the whole, I would say most football fans do not admire great players for denying us the opportunity to really see them at their best because they could not handle being the best.
@BeyondthePage well they didn't waste it though. Maradona is still a pantheon great. So is Garrincha.
It is always a pleasure to listen to Tim! Thanks, Tim!
Top man Tim
Till the present moment, no other player could play football better than Pelé.
Truly excellent assessment by Tim Vickery.
God bless Pele..........for me the greatest ever.
Messi and Maradona won one WC. Pele - and his team-mates - won three.
His goals in the 1970 WC were truly outstanding.........the chest down and pump against ENG was astonishing, as was his headed goal in the final.
Messi has proven himself a sneaky diver and penalty hunter too.
p.s. Not sure he was a better athlete than Ali.
Pointless denigrating of Messi at the end there in an otherwise good comment.
@@paulmallon9292 It’s not pointless. It’s true.
Whilst almost all footballers will go down in the penalty area under any contact........the most cynical thing I saw in the WC was when Messi wrapped his foot against a defenders heel and threw himself to the floor.
Disgusting.
@@jingleballix You could have just left it about the death of a legend instead of denigrating another player. It's completely irrelevant to the subject matter. Would be nice if everyone could drop their bias for 5 minutes, even during an obituary of a sporting legend. Not Messi's biggest fan either but its nothing to do with the death of Pele.
@@paulmallon9292 It’s not irrelevant though is it?
Sportsmanship is part of what makes a player great, so when the question of the all-time great is discussed, it’s appropriate to remark on the flaws of players like Messi, Maradona.
Pele was genuinely a very sporting competitor. The other two not so.
Tim is an amazing journalist!! It is easy to compare Pele with all other posterior players. Just watch the videos
Mr Vickery 's wise words .
I never saw Pele - I was born in 70s, so Messi is the goat of my lifetime but I’ve watched tons of films from the archives on Pele and it didn’t take long for me to appreciate a simple fact- When I think of the skills and qualities that made the greatest players of my lifetime great: Messi and Maradona’s dribbling, visionary passing and free kicks, CR9s explosive speed and body rolling strength, CR7s headed goals and those incredible jumps of his, Zinidine Zidane’s slo motion like ball control, Platini’s speed of thought, Ronaldinho’s flicks and tricks…,
Pele could do everything these players were famous for and then some. The move he pulled on the Uruguayan goalkeeper 1970 WC is up there with Maradona’s 2nd goal (against England) as one of the most incredible things I’ve ever seen a footballer do.
So to anyone old enough to have witnessed him in real time, you’ll get no argument from me if you say - Pele is the greatest of all time -
Tim Vickry is correct when he says that in 1970 Pele has already past his best. I would started seeing Pele to play in 1959, when I was 11 years old, noticef that by 1965 Pele had already started to change his way of playing. Less running with the ball and dribling. his adversaries.
John Amaral. I agree with you. Pele and Ali converged at interesting moments. Pele lost the best of his game to violent tactics. I'd argue his towering achievements were the two Copa Libertadores of '62 and '63. The latter in a baying Bonbonera, saw a team drilled to stop him at all costs. I watched that footage and Pele converts two chances, setting up Coutinho with one and scoring another. The skill is subtle, sublime and so exquisitely elusive. Pele literally opens the defender's legs like a gate, then plays the ball off the inside of the defender's standing leg, surprising an out of position keeper.
Ali lost his best years to geopolitics. Both men knew their place in the sporting pantheon.
My early years were shaped by these two giants. When I was growing up I wanted to be like Jairzinho, crossing for a Pele's downward header against an imaginary Gordon Banks. I perfected that cutting off of the fullback, then crossing right on the byeline. Later I learned how to cut inside, but there was never any Pele to receive my cross. People cannot imagine how far above the rest Pele was unless they attempt to emulate any of his moves or goals, THEN the gulf yawns! Then the realisation hits you that like a Capablanca chess game, this guy found this solution in milliseconds, while you've had a lifetime to prepare. Likewise Ali, diverging from Dundee's script to engineer his solutions against men often bigger, stronger, more experienced and with less to lose.
We shall never see the likes of these men again.
Much more humble than many other footballers of the new generations
Pay cheques
Long live the King, I am proud to be Santista as Pelé.
increadible interview
absolutely fantastic
Tim Vickery is an absolute legend
I mean, as the Queen Elisabeth already said...:the incomparable Pelé"
Esse Tim lacrou ao falar do Pelé. Tudo q ele disse é verdade
Lá se foi a maior e última lenda desse século... Descanse em paz Rei Pelé 👑🥇🇧🇷
PELE is without doubt the greatest of all time. As a black man he was never given the space to make mistakes.
The King of Football
As a mixed race kid growing up in London, England in the 1970s where football was one of the main unifying cultural forces I can say without doubt Pele had more cultural impact and was part of the everyday consciousness of people growing up then than either Martin Luther King or Muhammad Ali.
Pele transcended race at a time when there was a lot of crass ignorance and stereotyping, you kind of felt with Pele and the magic of those Brazilians teams left something special indelibly ingrained in people's consciousness that defied any of the racial stereotyping they had hitherto inherited. The Brazilians had a huge impact on race relations in the 1970s and beyond in a way no activist spouting the politics of race could touch.
Mix Maradona, Cruyff, Eusebio, Zidane, Ronaldo Phenomenon, Messi and you get Pele
Add in George Best and Rivelino Zico Socrates
People always say good things when someone dies but for PELE ALL THE GOOD ARE TRUER THAN TRUE
Pele will always be king 👑 of football
Valeu Tim!
5:30 like how Tim sounds Irish for a sec when he says "fair"
Thank you tim
Diego got a 3 day state mourning and his coffin was kept at the parliament building I belive for everyone to get a chance to say goodbye. Pele will have the same I am sure of it in Brazil.
Buenos Aires concentrate the country .Brasilia where is the parliament , is 2 hours by flight from Sao Paulo. Not high chances that paulistas and santistas arrive easily to the parliament.
Beautifully said Tim Vickery great analysis from a different perspective 👁 👀🤔👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽💞💞💞💞😱😱
very interesting points here, to give us some more perspective of the situation’s of Brazilian History, it definitely does get overlooked outside of Brazil.
EDWARD DUCAN, OUTRO JOGADOR FANTÁSTICO
10:16 that was borderline heated for so long. I am glad they were able to mend their differences in their latter days.
Pele the goat
They should call the 1962 footage - The Sasquatch tapes, Evidence of La Grande Pied
I'm Brazilian. Brazilians in general by far are NOT racists at all. We don't see color. The fact that we have no black coaches is irrelevant, nothing to do with race.
really
When you talk of number of goals he scored you are not including the number of goals that were disallowed which were perfectly fine that should be added to that list and which are so obviously goals, and how many more goals would have taken place if he was not hacked down with impunity and no interest in the ball just before he took his shot to score. Without this his records would have been extended even further. 126 goals in a season!! You can compare Pele with players today despite the period difference because everything he did then would have worked now against present defenders as the same skills are being used against them now and it is the same skills against defenders still working now and the conditions were much harder in that time with the ball, the shoes, the ground and the having to deal with being hacked down blatantly with no sending off or cards. It's an insult to ever say 'Pele was arguably the greatest player' or 'one of the greatest players' (as Lineker likes to say), because forget football, there is not a sportsman in history that has ever been so influential to a sport. He affected the game, not only in the standards he set and records he achieved which still to this day half a century later have not been unachieved by anybody else who has played the game, but also in how the game should be played by him doing everything every other football player has ever done since in a recorded football match. It's astonishing how he managed to do and cover everything and every skill outside goal keeping, and you cannot find another football player that can make this claim even today however great people may say that football player is. Pele's standards for the game were such that he did not just take attacking play to the highest level an attacker can take it, but he participated in defensive play and tackling to levels even the best defenders today would be proud of which is something that even today is unheard of for any attacking player. That is what his standard for what a great football player is and a standard the future of football aspires to reach, but it is a standard others cannot even dream of achieving today and so standards are diminished or dropped to what is achievable for others so they too can be called great. Even with this compromise his standards are still too high for others when he says that to be great you must be great at everything to do with the ball, for example 1) your ability to use both feet as good as the other and to the greatest ability including, controlling the ball and shooting near or long range (just as is expected of a great pianist to use both hands as good as the other), 2) heading the ball to the greatest ability, be you controlling it or attacking the ball in various ways such as jumping, diving or standing still when heading the ball, 3) dribbling to the greatest ability past one player, through a crowd of players in close proximity or running at speed dribbling past dispersed players, 4) passing to the greatest ability, to create assists, accurate short and long passes, 5) tackling to the greatest ability, 6) acrobatic achievements such as bicycle kicks to solve difficult challenges, and so on. These are the standards that brought Pele 3 world cups as one of the great records he achieved that have proved almost unbreakable. But here again standards are dropped and diminished because these are standards expected in one player only he could achieve and do so to the greatest ability. Indeed Pele showed us the future of football and what is achievable for a player to become and though it has been great and taken football to great heights following him as he led by example, there is still the dream that one day we can see a football match where every football player on the pitch bares the standards set by Pele and we will no longer have to lower the bar or diminish or drop standards on what a great football player is or can achieve. That is the dream and that is Pele's dream. What a crazy football match that will one day be. Pele taught us the beautiful game and we are still learning to make it as beautiful as he dreamed it could be, but he has also shown us a football dream we hope one day can be achieved. It's like he is colour television and we are all still playing in Black and White. He is football and he is the dream. The greatest football player ever and of all time without a question. No one is equal, better or greater, not even close. When other players retire, it's over, but Pele and his influence on the game and every player that plays it lives on and shines after every whistle is blown to start a match. Thank you God for the gift that was Pele. Rest in peace. Peace and love
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That is accurate, precise.
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Not a word out of place. Pele was also Santos' reserve keeper! He replaced Gylmar if he got injured in competitive fixtures. No less than Cesar Menotti said Pele was a football encyclopaedia; that's it in a nutshell really, the Footballing A-Z.
@@a.m.armstrong8354 exactly,Pele was a good goalkeeper.This man could play any position,on the pitch he had no weakness.
Pelé is God
there nothing grainy about the 1970 ,World Cup it was on television and broadcasted in colour
ive got the full 90 minutes of all of Brazil matches on dvd
you can get whole 90 minute matches of pele in the 60s were he was at his peak not difficult if your truly a football. aficionado
You can compare Maradona to MLK because both were regional figures loved by the locals. Pelé was a GLOBAL figure. Pelé was knighted by the Queen, he was a UNICEF ambassador, among other things.
Mohammad Ali is not greater than Pelé, that’s an absurd.
Tim is probably the only English native speaker that knows and understands what Pelé meant to the world.
Ali is known world wide
P.S.Equivalent.
I'm brazilian and I'll add two cents in a sensitive theme you brought there. Pelé was famous and represented lots of peoples, but he wasn't the first nor the last well succeeed afro-descendant in Brazil. We had a negro president in the 1910's (Nilo Peçanha), our most beloved writer, Machado de Assis, was black (in the XIX century, during slavery), our music (not only in samba, but in chorinho and many other styles) and our vocabulary are plenty of African contributions. Brazil has its issues and racism exist, but it is not in the way leftists like to sell for their own purposes nowadays. Trying to racionalize this country is a hell of a challenge specially in that sense. Pelé was a force of nature, a symbol as an athlete who dared to be the best in a country with serious "slumdog" issues. He didn't have that relation Maradona nurtured with the Argentinians in a sense of representation because he was above all this. He was a role model and it is harder to identify with them, I agree. Said so, Garrincha had some issues during his life that caused him to die too early, with 53. He was not more admired than Pelé, nor less. The Alegria do Povo ("Happiness of the people") was a descendant of black, white and native folk, and we couldn't have cared less about that. Ethnicity was never a thing when it concerns to those guys. Zico, the guy Pelé considered his successor, was a white dude whose father and mother were portuguese. As with Pelé and Garrincha, it was never a thing with him, he was the best player from the most popular team in the whole country, praised by people of all races. Before Pelé, we had Leonidas da Silva, the 'Black Diamond', and Friedenreich, the Fried, both with african ancestors. Even then, in the 20's and 30's, it was not detrimental to them. Leonidas had his peak in 1938's world cup, 20 years prior to Pelé.
I have arguably jewish, arabic, portuguese, polish, dutch, native american and african genetic heritages, and I dare you to find out that looking at my face. Brazil have lots of problems to deal with in daily bases, and the majority of the people simply don't have time to care about ethnic checkboxes. The exception are those weirdos from the left I mentioned earlier.
I wonder about that
i am not so sure
TIM MENCIONOU GARRINCHA QUE FOI UM JOGADOR TECNICAMENTE LIMITADO E JAIRZINHO COM MAIS FORÇA FÍSICA, ENTRETANTO, O GÊNIO SIR STANLEY MATHEWS,NEM CONFIGURA NOS COMENTÁRIOS. UMA TREMENDA INJUSTIÇA
Garrincha tecnicamente limitado? hahahahahahaha No jogo mais dífícil da Copa de 62 deu 34 dribles, era um exímio finalizador, brilhante nas bolas paradas, e até 62, teve uma insana média de 0,6 gols, para um ponta isso é absurdo. E em 62, provou que podia jogar em todas as posições do ataque. No mais, com o joelho estourado, pesquise o gol que ele fez contra a Bulgária na Copa de 66, nenhum jogador no mundo é capaz de colocar a potência e direção no chute de trivela como ele fez.
@@saulolessa5 Por gentileza, confira no CZcams,a apresentação de GARRINCHA,no FLAMENGO em 1968, quando então, mostra GARRINCHA fazendo embaixadas somente com a perna direita, entretanto,nem domina com a esquerda. Evidentemente,fica claro que GARRINCHA não tinha habildade, ainda por cima, ressentimento-se em dominar com a esquerda.
Acontece que não obstante,sem sombra de dúvidas, GARRINCHA nem sabia DRIBLAR,, aliás,fica evidenciado,em um dos vídeos de GARRINCHA, contra o Vasco,cujo o mesmo, FICOU sassaricando de um lado, a outro
@@saulolessa5 GARRINCHA 34 DRIBLES!!!
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Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk k
GARRINCHA nem sabia DRIBLAR, DEPENDIA exclusivamente do arranque até a linha de fundo e SÓ
@@saulolessa5 Exímio finalizador!!!!!
Contra a Bulgaria,bateu na bola, como qualquer jogador mediano como GARRINCHA havia sido então, natural bate daquele jeito.
Zico fez inúmeros gols de faltas, nas mesmas proporções
@@saulolessa5 Média insana de 0,6 gols!!!
GARRINCHA fez um gol de cabeça, outro de esquerda, aliás, finalizou aleatoriamente. Testemunhei GARRINCHA inúmeras ocasiões, tropeçando sobre a bola, ainda por cima,perdia gols incríveis, até mesmo,com as metas desguarnecidas!! Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Tim’s family need a ticking off. The guy is working. They had one thing to do - be quiet!!!!!
1. Pele
2. Maradona
3. Messi
Enough said.
Pele' and Brazil and o jogo bonito at the 1970 final: czcams.com/video/M5HbmeNKino/video.html (46 seconds).
Is that the policeman from the Alan Partridge flick?
Someone peacefully sleeping somewhere has three world cups from four world cup campaigns. On the other hand Messi has one world cup from five campaigns! It is fraudulent to have the GOAT debate and totally ignore Pele! It is criminal.
Remove emotions from the GOAT debate. The world cup is the greatest competition and the biggest in soccer. To be the greatest you have to win the biggest challenge. The bar has been set for the GOAT and that is three world cups(wins). There's a desperation to re-engineer the foundation and the structure of the GOAT debate so that it is biased towards Mess, it seems like rigging the debate in favour of Messii!! Can someone tell me why Messi hasn't won three world cups when he's infact been to several? It is because it is very difficult to win one! Three world cups is a very high bar for Messi! And it is not like Messi hasn't been to a world cup, he's been to a couple! Messi wins one and he's the GOAT!! No, there's someone who has three world cups.
Winning one and being declared the GOAT is really lowering the bar so that Messi can get over the line, this makes Messi look weak! Messi is great but not the greatest. Being the greatest is not easy, Messi and Ronaldo would tell you that. There is so much bias, bigotry, prejudice etc in the GOATSHIP debate, so the best way to overcome all that bad stuff is to look at the numbers, numbers don't lie! Look at Messi's, Ronaldo's, Pele's and Maradona's numbers then decide. Numbers are the fairest way to compare!
Not the most perfect but the best way to compare players that removes bias, prejudice, duality etc and different eras is numbers. Here are the numbers:
czcams.com/video/mAjWwTVGZoU/video.html&feature=shares
Pele won 2 World cups and he didn't score 1000 goals
@Tony Williams, I humbly ask you to do a little more research before you push down the keyboard buttons on whichever device you’re using ! Your statement is factually fraudulent, it is also called clutching on straws!! Can we say Messi didn’t win a World Cup because it is the keeper’s heroics (penalty shootout)that gave Argentina a win over Holland and it wasn’t Messi who helped them go to the next round and also in the final the keeper was more influential than Messi and therefore we can say that Messi doesn’t have a World Cup? Or can we take away Messi’s wins and trophies when he was at Barcelona because he played in a stacked team where they had the best player the world in every position e.g. Ronaldinho, Samuel Eto, Iniesta, Xavi etc?!! I personally won’t allow that even though some of the Champions league victories were spearheaded by Ronaldinho and Messi was reduced to a sudo cameo role until he was fully developed !! Pele is the gold standard and it is three World Cups. No one has stopped any player from putting him/her self in a position to win three World Cups but Pele did it.
@@tonywilliams7152 hw won three world cups he played twice in 62
italy franco causio played for 3 minutes in the 1982 World Cup final and got a World Cup
try again mate
Would that Santos of '62 beat the Benfica of today?? Never in a million years.
Being black has never been an identity in Brazil up until just a few years ago so the “myth” you talk about is not quite incorrect. Although there has always been racism in Brazil, unlike America there has never really been much of a racial tension. Now there is, but it is a byproduct of the woke brigade. It is not part of Brazilian culture.
thats not what i hear from afro brazilians
has being white been an identity in Brazil
Bla bla bla.. Tim starts a nonsense boring speach..
"Where are the Black coaches in Brasil?"
Well.. there were thousands of black players in Brazil that could became coachs actually.. nobody prevented them to become one.
There isn't a law forbidden black people become a coach in Brazil.
What does Pelé have to do with It ?
really how would you know that
nothing nonsense about ,tim was on the money
touched on facts you rather pretend doesnt exist