Laugo Alien vs 2011 (NightHawk Fire Hawk)

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  • čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
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    Due to the friendship and generosity of our friends at @leadsteel as well as Sinistral Rifleman selling his plasma to acquire a Laugo Alien, we had the rare opportunity to put both of these $5,000+ pistols up against one another.
    So...let's do what InRange is best known for: SCIENCE!

Komentáře • 139

  • @peternicol3439
    @peternicol3439 Před 17 dny +148

    I notice Phagan didn't say whose Kidney he Donated 😀👽

  • @cr0ss0ut
    @cr0ss0ut Před 17 dny +43

    Notice all guys shooting the 2011 kept a consistent shooting rate through the drill, whereas shooting the alien, they all sped up after 2-3 rounds, meaning once the got use to the aliens recoil they knew they could drive the gun faster.
    Alien won hands down but I bet if they had more time and practice on the platform it would be lights out.

    • @gregoryfilin8040
      @gregoryfilin8040 Před 17 dny +5

      Should've done another run with the Alien

    • @BillyONeal
      @BillyONeal Před 17 dny +4

      That could also say things about the trigger there since they all said they wished the Alien had a better trigger reset

  • @DeviantOllam
    @DeviantOllam Před 17 dny +55

    This was a really cool test, and even as the data is a little more anecdotal than scientific... I still think it's totally worthwhile and compelling

    • @InrangeTv
      @InrangeTv  Před 17 dny +32

      SCIENCE

    • @monotech20.14
      @monotech20.14 Před 17 dny +2

      @@InrangeTv When it comes to double stack 1911s why don't I see people use the Para Ordnance in .45?

    • @machooke4846
      @machooke4846 Před 17 dny +6

      ​@@InrangeTvAs Adam Savage taught us, you have to write it down to make it SCIENCE. Otherwise it's just screwing around.

    • @brianhamalainen8817
      @brianhamalainen8817 Před 16 dny

      ​@@InrangeTvcould you please post graphs of times for each person/model for when they fired each shot?

    • @esthera3923
      @esthera3923 Před 15 dny

      @@InrangeTv Yeah Mr Karl, yeah science!

  • @VaterOrlaag
    @VaterOrlaag Před 17 dny +25

    Garrett has a cap with Trogdor the Burninator. Clearly a man of culture.

    • @brianhamalainen8817
      @brianhamalainen8817 Před 16 dny +2

      Oh, schnap! I hadn't caught that!
      THATCHED ROOF COTTAGGGGGESSSS!

  • @TheCoopMan
    @TheCoopMan Před 17 dny +19

    I think a lot of people got sticker shock when the alien came out. But this really is what it’s designed to compete with. If you’re not into this level of competition, you would never think of dropping $5k on a pistol. But that’s actually mid range for what someone the guys spend.
    I’ve seen race rigs in the $10k range when fully decked out. As they showed here, $7k is not out of the question for a base gun.

    • @KyussTheWalkingWorm
      @KyussTheWalkingWorm Před 17 dny +6

      The Laugo is also influenced by the EU market where civilian handgun buyers are much less price conscious.

    • @maximusjoseppi5904
      @maximusjoseppi5904 Před 17 dny

      its not sticker shock... the gun isnt worth $5k. plain and simple. its a $1000-2000 gun with an absurd "we're only making x number of these" markup blah blah hype, paid youtube infomercials. someone will copy the design and make it for $1k

    • @m.w.2401
      @m.w.2401 Před 16 dny

      The laugo looks cool but thats it, can't even be used in much of the divisions 2011's can. Also uses proprietary parts. Anything happens to a 2011 I can fix or replace it myself.

  • @somersethuscarl2938
    @somersethuscarl2938 Před 17 dny +133

    So a Fire hawk is almost as good as an Alien and costs almost one and a half the cost of an Alien? Rightio noted

    • @V3RTIGO222
      @V3RTIGO222 Před 17 dny +11

      That was a yikes to me

    • @trvrfx5
      @trvrfx5 Před 17 dny +9

      Sure, but only one of them can compete in the same division as other non-ported guns. If the Alien does not make sense, then you probably are not playing the games it was built for.

    • @V3RTIGO222
      @V3RTIGO222 Před 17 dny +18

      @@trvrfx5 that's not a 'but'' that's 'and also'
      It's blasting overpriced 2011s out of the water. 7k for a Firehawk vs 5k for Alien?

    • @somersethuscarl2938
      @somersethuscarl2938 Před 17 dny +6

      @@V3RTIGO222 Yep almost as good, or to put it another not quite as good for over $2000 more ....... Hum .... Yes ... Hum

    • @hornmonk3zit
      @hornmonk3zit Před 17 dny +6

      @@V3RTIGO222 They're still both ridiculously overpriced, that 2011 cost more than four of my last five cars combined. Pretty much any other manufacturer could get the cost of either under a grand, PSA could make them $450 MSRP but there'd be a 50/50 chance they'll market it but never release them.

  • @fuzzyreticle
    @fuzzyreticle Před 17 dny +75

    The Glock guy gets it.

    • @blshouse
      @blshouse Před 17 dny +18

      Complains about the reset and gritty triggers... Yep, that's Glock alright. 😅

    • @mageyeah7763
      @mageyeah7763 Před 17 dny +14

      He gets that the Glock is one tenth the price. Most important feature for most people.

    • @blshouse
      @blshouse Před 17 dny

      @@mageyeah7763 why buy a gun when you can throw a -glock- err, a rock. ;-)

    • @SpartacusColo
      @SpartacusColo Před 17 dny +6

      @@blshouse Yeah, but for the price of an Alien, you can get a Glock plus a nice aftermarket trigger kit, a nice AR, an ACOG, and a bunch of ammo.

  • @BurningMonkey
    @BurningMonkey Před 17 dny +10

    SCIENCE!!
    I totally enjoyed watching the video

  • @moosemaimer
    @moosemaimer Před 17 dny +18

    Blood for the blood god
    Livers for the Laugo fund

  • @armor1979chev
    @armor1979chev Před 17 dny +5

    very interesting seeing the recoil in rapid succession across, and im feeling that the sight moving with the slide also caused extra lift as its mass added to the movement as the owner mentioned at the end. Great video!

  • @peternicol3439
    @peternicol3439 Před 17 dny +26

    It'd maybe interesting if Karl has or can acquire the 9mm kit for his FK Brno PSD (If he still has it) to see how it compares to the Alien as it started out as a competition pistol.

    • @bdsmchs
      @bdsmchs Před 17 dny +5

      There's simply no way a PSD can compete with the Alien. I own both, and the recoil system on the PSD is way too slow. Awesome gun though. Just completely different designs and use-cases. The PSD is just a big CZ75 with a very heavy slide.

    • @lupis42
      @lupis42 Před 17 dny +4

      PSD is not in the same league at all. Bore axis is higher, more recoiling mass, tilting barrel, it's not playing the same games at all. The PSD makes 10mm feel like 9

  • @pa3gungal
    @pa3gungal Před 17 dny +37

    I didn’t really “get” the Alien until I shot one with irons at a local match where the Laugo USA guys brought out some demo guns.
    A good 2011 can keep the dot within the window under recoil and shoot within shooter’s margin of error just like the Alien (as this video shows), but with irons the difference was night and day.
    I regularly shoot a 2011 with irons in 3 gun TacOps division, and the Alien with non-reciprocating irons blew it out of the water. It was the same effect that a “Limited” 2011 with a front sight block would have, only more so because the rear sight doesn’t move either.

  • @lcplfoust668
    @lcplfoust668 Před 17 dny +7

    I love Russel he is just like yea I got an alien no big deal. Legit every video it’s like someone killed his dog.

    • @SinistralRifleman
      @SinistralRifleman Před 17 dny +8

      24 years in the firearms industry will do that to you.

    • @CZ65
      @CZ65 Před 14 dny

      It was the atf for sure.

  • @tab8201
    @tab8201 Před 17 dny +1

    That was a fun head-to-head. Looking forward to hearing about the Alien later down the line and whether it's still as good after a year or more.

  • @userJohnSmith
    @userJohnSmith Před 15 dny +1

    Karl, that was science. It was a simple survey, but it was science.

  • @alexcapps9290
    @alexcapps9290 Před 17 dny +12

    I think if anything this is a win for the laugo alien design. I mean it's flatter with no ports compared to a gun with over 100 years of optimization and a large port

    • @alun7006
      @alun7006 Před 17 dny

      @@alexcapps9290 cheaper, too!

  • @herddog2807
    @herddog2807 Před 15 dny

    Shows alot about the optics position,thanks guys

  • @Gunge-vq2ik
    @Gunge-vq2ik Před 16 dny

    GREAT INFO/ANALYSIS!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!

  • @commandZee
    @commandZee Před 17 dny +1

    I have lots of other guns, but for around $400 lightly used with tons of aftermarket support, I'm still a Glock guy too.

  • @GentleGiant-tt2uu
    @GentleGiant-tt2uu Před 17 dny +8

    Good you skip cringe intros that other guntubers do.

  • @linus11vf1j
    @linus11vf1j Před 15 dny

    I would have thought Karl would carry a Schofield, not a SAA 😆

  • @mooktemas6800
    @mooktemas6800 Před 11 dny

    Question: What did you have for lunch?
    Answer: I’m still a Glock guy! 😂

  • @markswann
    @markswann Před 17 dny

    Hardcore science, what do you feel 😂 awesome 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

  • @nickneider3428
    @nickneider3428 Před 17 dny +2

    Riding the reset, the fastest way to get trigger freeze 🥶

    • @critaper328
      @critaper328 Před 17 dny +2

      seriously, if you have a solid grip, slap that trigger like it owed you money

  • @BillyONeal
    @BillyONeal Před 17 dny

    Neat side by side

  • @alialwan4587
    @alialwan4587 Před 17 dny +18

    sick scarf karl ! great video !

    • @laladoodieincarnate
      @laladoodieincarnate Před 17 dny +6

      Its a shemagh, theyre cheap and easy to find. The one Karl is wearing is cool indeed

    • @rhubarbpie2027
      @rhubarbpie2027 Před 17 dny

      ​@@laladoodieincarnateor a keffiyah.

    • @FirstDagger
      @FirstDagger Před 17 dny +3

      @@laladoodieincarnate Watch out for Karens claiming that you are a t****rist though when you wear it.

    • @R._B._Victor_Hugo_Ashford
      @R._B._Victor_Hugo_Ashford Před 17 dny

      ​@laladoodieincarnate it may be a keffiya, can't really tell through video as the difference between the two is fabric weight, and afaik there's some overlap

    • @alialwan4587
      @alialwan4587 Před 17 dny +2

      @@laladoodieincarnate haha yes bro I'm Arab, I have many myself !

  • @jollyrodgerfabrication
    @jollyrodgerfabrication Před 17 dny +2

    Lmao harvesting organs to buy pew pews 😂

  • @pmgn8444
    @pmgn8444 Před 17 dny

    As I'm not a competitive shooter, the scientific result is that I have better things to spend my money on!
    But still an interesting review.
    (Double checks to make sure The Sinister Rifleman hasn't harvested any of my organs...)

  • @davidvincent5701
    @davidvincent5701 Před 17 dny +1

    Night Hawk vs Fire Hawk. Is this the Honda vs Suzuki thing all over again.

  • @jg-ub4ek
    @jg-ub4ek Před 17 dny +1

    Neat!!

  • @Snuffy03
    @Snuffy03 Před 17 dny

    I have been a 1911 guy for over half a century. But I do believe these custom companies gouge their customers. A well maintained standard 1911 that has all its parts polished and cleaned up, functions just as well as the $5,000 "custom" variety. That being said, I think the Alien is one of the coolest sidearms on the market. But, being retired, I can't afford that either these days. And I do not have access to vital organs to sell on the black market.😁

    • @eddyguizonde401
      @eddyguizonde401 Před 17 dny

      you're obviously not trying hard enough to access organs, then. rent out a field and say "free dirt bike trail". then get a bucket

    • @Snuffy03
      @Snuffy03 Před 17 dny

      @@eddyguizonde401 Now THAT is an idea. But as I've gotten older, I'm just too lazy to put forth the effort. Guess I'll just have to admire from a distance and live vicariously through the experiences of others.😭

  • @kobeh6185
    @kobeh6185 Před 17 dny

    Over some graph paper, and doing the drill, say 5 times each rather than just 1 (and keeping say, the best 3 from each shooter) would probably illustrate this better.
    When the gun isnt yours and you havent gotten used to the trigger, that induces a lot of variable thats pretty palpable in this test.

  • @tengu190
    @tengu190 Před 14 dny

    Need a Korth PRS and Grand Power X-Calibur in that as well. What would a comped alien be like?

  • @viclange3826
    @viclange3826 Před 6 dny

    Not the 2011 I was expecting, tbh

  • @m00nraise
    @m00nraise Před 17 dny

    So why not throw a compensator on the Alien for a fair comparison.

  • @GA-br8wj
    @GA-br8wj Před 17 dny

    Yea!! Science!! 😁

  • @purplepenguin43
    @purplepenguin43 Před 17 dny

    The thing that appealed to me about the lago which they have yet to support is the fixed barrel would be let you run a supressor with no booster.

    • @spocknasty
      @spocknasty Před 17 dny

      Gotta love the B&T Alien specific suppressor that just screws right on!

  • @HeiniSauerkraut
    @HeiniSauerkraut Před 17 dny

    @Russell Phagan Did you need an adapter for that Optik on the Alien? I am looking for a closed emitter RDS for my Alien. The original optic mount is for C-More like optics, which I consider as to fragile for hard use.

    • @SinistralRifleman
      @SinistralRifleman Před 17 dny +2

      Yes there is a adapter plate to use ACRO style sights available

  • @PilotMichal3d
    @PilotMichal3d Před 13 dny

    @leadandsteel- which optic adapter plate do you use to mount the pandora onto the alien slide?

  • @soylentgreen7074
    @soylentgreen7074 Před 17 dny

    Recoil looks very similar. I wonder if the dot not moving on the alien is the biggest difference.

  • @alexbrown7665
    @alexbrown7665 Před 16 dny

    Is he going to let you mud test the Alien?

  • @ethan5.56
    @ethan5.56 Před 17 dny

    Hell yeah

  • @angusmatheson8906
    @angusmatheson8906 Před 17 dny

    I REALLY want a laugo alien.

  • @ANobleRabbit
    @ANobleRabbit Před 17 dny +2

    Ahmad's shirt is awesome

    • @509Gman
      @509Gman Před 17 dny

      Can you explain it? I figure it’s an outline of Palistinrael, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    • @ANobleRabbit
      @ANobleRabbit Před 17 dny

      @@509Gman it's Palestine 🍉

    • @509Gman
      @509Gman Před 17 dny

      @@ANobleRabbit that’s it?

    • @ANobleRabbit
      @ANobleRabbit Před 17 dny

      @@509Gman yes, Palestine's borders are defined

    • @509Gman
      @509Gman Před 17 dny

      @@ANobleRabbit I mean, there’s no further significance?

  • @Malikken
    @Malikken Před 15 dny

    everybody was faster with the Alien

  • @wadewilson6135
    @wadewilson6135 Před 17 dny +1

    I am currently doing the same thing by selling 10-12 guns to get an Alien Creator. IMO its one of if not the only pistol to come out in the last 30 years that it truly innovative.

  • @gregwright392
    @gregwright392 Před 17 dny

    Would of liked the light removed from the 2011. Seems it added weight the other didn't have that may have mitigated a minor amount of recoil!

  • @eargesplitten9876
    @eargesplitten9876 Před 17 dny +5

    Karl Bad Man

  • @TheOlsonOutfit
    @TheOlsonOutfit Před 17 dny

    Is it just me or did the 2011 seem to recoil more on the first shot?
    Like the shooter didn't quite know how hard to drive it until after the first shot.

  • @WaterZer0
    @WaterZer0 Před 17 dny +1

    I'm curious how the Alien would do with a port or comp.

  • @Just_Some_Person
    @Just_Some_Person Před 17 dny +1

    Garrett gets Glock

  • @shark_actual
    @shark_actual Před 17 dny

    SCIENCE!

  • @TheCosmicGuy0111
    @TheCosmicGuy0111 Před 17 dny

    Woah

  • @lfz2946
    @lfz2946 Před 17 dny

    More recoil comparison

  • @Alyeska23
    @Alyeska23 Před 17 dny +2

    Alien has less reciprocating mass. The slide weighs less and the optic doesn't add to the momentum.
    I'd love to see even more fixed barrel gas system pistols.

  • @templar804
    @templar804 Před 17 dny +3

    2:22 - 2:54 DING DI-DING DING DING DI-DING DING DING DING.

  • @morbidsnake
    @morbidsnake Před 17 dny

    Who the hell is Carson?

  • @joeputn7956
    @joeputn7956 Před 17 dny +1

    loot drop

  • @joe125ful
    @joe125ful Před 17 dny +1

    Laugo Alien win easy.
    Tech,design,accuraci...
    Nighthawk is soo boring to me but good too.

  • @j--b7
    @j--b7 Před 17 dny

    🧪 SCIENCE 🔭

  • @mattheide2775
    @mattheide2775 Před 17 dny

    Mud test for the alien? I'm kidding of course, both are Competition guns and they are not designed for military use. Please don't do it😊

  • @maximusjoseppi5904
    @maximusjoseppi5904 Před 17 dny

    i cant imagine someone paying $5000 for a production line pistol.... for that much money, it should be fully customized and you talked to the gunsmith who hand finished it and picked your serial number.

  • @YERAFirearms
    @YERAFirearms Před 17 dny

    Alien may flip less. However, it is not worth the extra cents

    • @alun7006
      @alun7006 Před 17 dny +3

      The 2011 is MORE expensive than the Alien!

    • @YERAFirearms
      @YERAFirearms Před 17 dny

      @@alun7006 It depends on which 2011
      I have Para(s) and SVI Infinities
      I used to have many Staccato/STI

  • @JimTempleman
    @JimTempleman Před 17 dny +2

    Just add a muzzle brake to the Alien.

    • @ostiariusalpha
      @ostiariusalpha Před 17 dny

      Except the muzzle brakes on the market are designed to compensate for conventional pistols. You don't want to put any old brake on that will dip your muzzle down with every shot, it should be specifically engineered to work with the Alien.

    • @joe125ful
      @joe125ful Před 17 dny

      For what exacty?
      It have minimum climb..

    • @ostiariusalpha
      @ostiariusalpha Před 17 dny

      @@joe125ful Right, you would be using it less as a muzzle compensator, and more to simply reduce overall recoil.

    • @joe125ful
      @joe125ful Před 17 dny

      @@ostiariusalpha Laugo and need reduce recoil?
      Are you kidding right?

    • @JimTempleman
      @JimTempleman Před 17 dny +2

      @@ostiariusalpha Exactly. And yes, it should be designed specifically for the Alien.

  • @recoilrob324
    @recoilrob324 Před 17 dny +2

    If someone actually used one of these guns for 'social' purposes....not having a brake barking back at you might save your hearing. Competition guns vs street tools should never be assumed to be the same.

    • @eargesplitten9876
      @eargesplitten9876 Před 17 dny +1

      Guns loud regardless, your hearing is going to be damaged either way, not convinced that a few rounds with comp vs a few rounds without comp would make a difference.

    • @KurtAustin2448
      @KurtAustin2448 Před 17 dny +4

      Because non-comped pistols are somehow hearing safe? Is that what you're trying to say? Sure seems like it.

    • @hornmonk3zit
      @hornmonk3zit Před 17 dny

      Unless you're dumping thousands of rounds in a phone booth that's literally a non-issue. FPSRussia still has his hearing and the closest thing to hearing protection he ever wore were gaming headsets as a joke. You WILL NOT notice a difference in damage to your hearing if you only fire two rounds with a comp versus a bare muzzle, you won't even get any noticeable damage. I know because I've shot way bigger guns than 9mm without earpro both indoors and outdoors, and my yearly hearing tests all say I have excellent hearing. My hearing is so excellent in fact I can hear plug in pest deterrents, which don't work btw they just annoy the shit out of me while the rats and spiders ignore them.

  • @bigbearrunfast
    @bigbearrunfast Před 17 dny +2

    I’m surprised you would promote lead & steel. They sent FocusTripp a C&D over a negative review and had a back and forth response videos

    • @roguewavetraining2499
      @roguewavetraining2499 Před 17 dny +4

      They've addressed that before previously. FT was being dishonest and not giving all the info...

    • @KurtAustin2448
      @KurtAustin2448 Před 17 dny +7

      focustripp's identity is just burning bridges and then complaining when he can't go anywhere.

  • @chadmckinney8465
    @chadmckinney8465 Před 17 dny

    Who cares. Both are hideously overpriced

  • @davidvincent5701
    @davidvincent5701 Před 17 dny

    Night Hawk vs Fire Hawk. Is this the Honda vs Suzuki thing all over again.

    • @AkiSan0
      @AkiSan0 Před 17 dny

      what? those are two very different things. thats like comparing ford and mercedes or so.