Can De Zerbi and Frank manage at the very top?
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- čas přidán 10. 05. 2024
- Both Roberto De Zerbi and Thomas Frank have been praised for their managerial skills, but is it time for one of them to step up to a bigger club?
Ayo is joined by The Athletics Liam Tharme and Jay Harris to discuss the work that both managers have currently done for their clubs, as well as their next potential destination.
The panel also break down the fallout between Brighton’s Tony Bloom and Brentford’s Matthew Benham and if both teams can finically compete with the big boys.
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:20 The Matthew Benham & Tony Bloom fallout
00:02:30 Using data within football
00:08:40 Have Benham & Bloom tried to sign the same player?
00:09:51 The art of data driven signings
00:14:25 De Zerbi & Frank’s philosophy
00:16:53 How industrious both teams are
00:20:06 Who is more appealing to potential clubs?
00:22:42 Brentford’s backroom staff
00:25:30 Are both teams prepared if they were relegated?
00:28:50 Are both clubs finically sustainable?
00:31:45 Which bigger clubs fit De Zerbi and Franks model?
00:35:57 Could De Zerbi possibly stay at Brighton?
00:38:27 Could Frank possibly stay at Brentford?
00:41:30 Final comments
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Love these Athletic pods. Means i can always get my fix of detailed football analysis. I know i'm a junkie. I'm not ashamed
Me to buddy 👍
As a Liverpool fan, I've always really liked Frank and I wanted him as my 2nd choice to Alonso. I still stand by that.
He would just be another Brendan Rodgers.
@@taliamason7986 0 ball knowledge
I concur, even over Nagelsmann who tends to risk more and has no EPL experience
@@taliamason7986 No thats De Zerbi. I'd rather Frank over De Zerbi tbh
@@bluedoughnut1334Its plain simple logic. Thomas Frank would be coming from a below midtable side just like Brendan Rodgers did when he too was doing wonders with Swansea City. How are you not the seeing the resemblance.
I am so happy to hear somebody mention how many corners Arsenal get, I am shouting at my screen every time a commentator says how Arsenal have scored most from corners this season.
It's so funny how this hoster uses the word "fascinating" so often and he really looks and sounds fascinated by things 😂😂😂😂
Keep it on, lad!!
Man Utd supporter here. I’m still Ten Hag in… at least through this season add probably the beginning of next season- as long as they clear out about five or six players (including one or two “untouchable” first trainers. But I am a big Frank admirer. I wouldn’t be happy if Liverpool got him. I think he’s class.
be honest with yourself. Would ten hag be good enough for the Liverpool job. Ignore rivalry, imagine there's no bad blood between United and Liverpool and all yourself if ten hag would be a good choice for a big club like Liverpool. the answer is quite obviously no, so why do you loyal ten hag cultists STILL think he's good enough to manage United. He's an absolute fraud. His second game in charge he got absolutely battered at brentford. He went on to spend hundreds of millions on his own players (usually from Netherlands) and we went to brentford at the weekend at got battered again. He's made absolutely no progress whatsoever. These performances just repeat themselves. He's an awful, awful manager and our fanbase clearly shows itself as delusional by clinging on to this fantasy that he's going to suddenly just develop some competence and be successful at United. let it go, he's a dud. Just because you wanted him to be the clubs saviour doesn't mean he is.
A utd fan/Frank admirer and you want him at Liverpool!wild joke
Reread my post-
“Wouldn’t be happy”
This was so bloody interesting. God, a million times better than the absolute CRAP I've been listening to on talksport all morning. Seriously great work guys.
The table always lies. As a mathematician, I love that statement
I got an F in maths at GCSE, Luton are top, right?
@@rory4605 you missed the point by some distance, come back if it finds you and you have a thought
@@eamonreidy9534 you missed the humour by some distance, come back if it finds you and you have a thought
@@rory4605 your attempt at humour required a sardonic response. But I understand your confusion
@@eamonreidy9534 I'm getting there, eventually I will scrape a D grade.
Enjoyed this, thanks.
Great episode
Do you have link for further brentford content?
Obviously they can, you don't even need to be a great manager to manage at the top. The real question is whether they can succeed at the top
Ohh you definitely need to be a top manager but also a top coach
@@JamailvanWesteringCiro Ferrara Juve, Koeman Barcelona, Lopentegui Real Madrid, Avram Grant and Roberto Di Matteo Chelsea, Brendan Rodgers Liverpool, Niko Kovac Bayern Munchen, every single England manager since Capello.
One can very clearly be a mediocre manager and still manage at the top usually it just leads to a flop.
@@otto_jk or sometimes the entire isn’t fit together properly.
Sorry but Koeman is decent rebuild manager, one you hire to trim the unnecessary, one who clears house and with the squad he then had that was definitely necessary.
Also under him they actually played great again, especially when he shifted to a 3-5-2
Also a top manager to a mediocre club can cause the same effect.
Ancelotti at both Napoli and Everton, Bosz at Lyon, Van Gaal at United, Mourinho at Spurs and United, Conte and Spurs and Chelsea,
Igor Thiago played in Bulgaria not Hungary.
Igor Thiago played for Ludogorets Razgrad before Club Brugge, Ludogorets Razgrad play in Bulgaria not Hungary.
Igor Thiago was playing in Bulgaria, not Hungary.
As a Liverpool fan, I'd love to see Thomas Frank at Liverpool
The club's clear ambitions and focus on developing players like Ollie Watkins and Said Benrahma have paid off.
Why is this even a question? Is it because he didn't play for a big team or doesn't have a good PR team? It seems that there is a lack of respect for De Zerbi or perhaps a tendency to overlook his body of work. There are even suggestions that Thiago Motta is being considered for bigger jobs over De Zerbi. The prevalence of recency bias in these discussions is quite astonishing.
I'm tactically un convinced by de zerbi. His football looks pretty and entertaining. Yet it does get him into pretty naive and heavy pastings when he runs into managers who can counter it. For Frank in comparison, his team is always had to play against on whatever state you find it. He tends to beaten due to inferior resources. Rarely due toinferior approach.
The clubs we laud now are just being thorough and professional in an industry that never has been before, they're not geniuses, their competition is just Steve Bruce or someone similar shouting "kick them lads!". I actually preferred those days, the football wasn't monotonous computer aided models but it's not a great achievement to be detail focused than managers who are down the pub! They'll be dozens of managers who can coach a well run club.. but it's personality that counts at the elite clubs, they have 30 coaches, they don't need a manager coaching... They need a big, strong character to run the club. Like we all knew Klopp would be a success! But there's not many around! Neither of these two are big enough to dominate a top top club in though. They'll be swallowed up and sacked.
In a way I agree with your sentiment, but I then disagree with your conclusion. Frank has shown that he IS a big character, capable of moulding a team in his image MENTALLY, but being tactically flexible. de Zerbi has not changed anything about this Brighton team mentally, but he has changed them tactically. And are they actually better off for that? Or are they at a very similar level to where they were before he took over?
Plus, most coaching is mental, not technical, and Frank has shown time and again an ability to see something in a player and then get that out of them. It's shown in players like Mbuemo or Norgaard, or Jensen - who has become one of the best midfielders in the league, insane when you think about it.
De zerbi yes and as much as I like Thomas Frank I’m unsure he can at the top level
Why do you believe de Zerbi is more capable than Frank? Honest question: what has he done differently to make you hold that opinion?
They already are.
Already been answered , by Graham Potter going to Chelsea & crashing burning
Either these managers could become new Man United manager
Would be a dumb decision
Ironic Ivan Toney plays for Brentford and the owner is involved in Gambling.
you would wonder why players can't gamble and owners can
and Toney's full name is Ivan Benjamin Elijah Toney - initials IBET
@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere In tears if true
@@mustardegg2 I'm not even joking. Those are his actual initials
@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere I will now always refer to him as IBET from now on
Before Arsenal needed a striker, Brighton needed a striker
Too much data in football, so much so it's ruining it. Shot on target, possession? Fine. Heat maps, distance run, xG and that kind of stuff? Pointless. Players bought on data and not on talent. What people loved about football is gone.
that is the most brexit comment about football I've ever seen. Football of today is far better than it has ever been.
@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere Football today is not better. It's all about data and stats and less about the talent on show. It's been ruined by money. Clearly it was always a money spinner and has developed as such and having corrupt organisations like UEFA and FIFA at the helm are testament to that. Clearly you never watched players like Jay Jay Okocha, Le Tissier or Bergkamp play because you'd realise that football was rawer at that time and was more about skill than data.
@@gentleken7864 that's just how it is in top leagues now.. your version of football is still around tho.. just much lower division or leagues in the bottom 150 nations in FIFA ranking
The only people who think football is better now didn’t watch it early 2000s, now there’s more athletes but less talent
No, maybe just below the top but not at the top.
Someone there is as sick as a dog, master of coughing
Ok. 3 weeks later, we can say No, they can't.
The business industry you say? Tell me more. 😂