Super Single vs Duals - What you need to know about Super Single truck tires
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- What you need to know about the super single semi truck tires! Super Single vs Duals
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Only good thing about the super singles is I can relate to them
Underrated comment
Hahaha 😆 yep
Don’t forget when the tires blows mostly the wheel is destroyed because it hits the ground without another tire to keep it up
Good point!!
Pulse they’re triple the cost tires and wheels both
Not necessarily, I’ve been running them for years and have had blow outs before it depends on if the tire separates or just goes flat and how quickly you can get it stopped safely
50/50 Chance of rim damage, if you blow one lower the suspension and chain the side of the blowout axle to the chassis. Engage diff lock, raise suspension and drive off. Don’t forget the lube, you’ll need it for the bill.
Same here i blew up mine on my tractor 3rd axle 1 time was on i44 in Missouri riding cruises 70 mph downhill doing over 75 + mph full loaded 75k + weight. I came to a complete stop at the bottom of the hill. My tire was almost gone but my rim was okay. If you haven't experienced a super single blowout before, you're not even close to being a trucker yet. 😢 after that i went back to duals.
Retrofitting them on gas tankers narrows the wheel track and makes the trailers tippy.
I run tanker and I agree. They don’t like standing water too much either.
Yea you can feel it on the tractor and trailer
Company I used to work for put these on their frameless end dump trailers.
When one of the rear tires blew (if you dont know, only the rear trailer axle is on the ground when dumping a frameless trailer) it laid the trailer over. The company was very quick to get duals back on the trailers.
The driver still lost his job. "Failure to do a proper pre-trip"
Company I worked for put them on all the trucks and trailers. My problem was my trailer was 20 years old. Super singles are made for trailers with ABS brakes. Scary as hell trying to stop in the snow or rain when empty.
I bet😧, smh.
My first set of Goodyear's lasted 250k on my second set now never had any issues winter psi at 110lbs and summer 95 psi balance and rotate every pm have a wheel alignment at least once a year, SS are primarily for paved roads not for any flatbed operations most failures arise from sidewall damage and not checking cold tire pressure.
How are they in winter?
I’ve been running super singles for about 10 years now on my owner Kw900 and it’s getting me over 7mpg fully loaded a 80,000 pounds with a C 15 cat & 13sp eaton fuller transmission
338 on the rear end And I will never go back to dual tires again
Which Super Single do you buy
smart man
@@truckercatgo Michelin or nothing
My company has tested stupid singles on and off multiple times for the past 20 years and has seen no significant increase in fuel economy on multiple different truck and trailer manufacturers.
Can confirm the traction is trash, especially if you have to drive in snow.
As a technician I am glad to say we are almost done phasing them out of our fleet.
Have run only SS in my short career over 300k miles. never had a problem other than bobtail in snow they can get stuck easier. I have never had a problem when loaded. Never had a blow out. Used to haul 105k lbs on milk tanker. ran on gravel some. not an issue.
you blow tires when they are low on air and get too hott they blow, run supper singles with TPM and you won’t have any issues. Unless your a driver that doesn’t pay attention to your rig
100% only a lazy people run tires low of air.
Thats exactly what i do. My tpms gives me lots of peace
We use them on our trailers only. Tried it on the drive axles but like you said, very slippery especially in the winter. No bueno
Blown tire =trashed rim. Any fuel savings just got shot to hell+lost time waiting on the shoulder. Also, that is a massive belt of rubber that'll do more damage to your truck/trailer and possibly the knuckleheads that hang out beside you while running 70+. Apparently they've never seen a tire come apart or a whole hub assembly come off and really want a good look .
Can confirm, I had a trailer tire blow on me two weeks ago, wheel was trashed and the mudflap and bracket were all bent to hell
@@theesotericworldofjason1661 boss had a couple trucks with supers on the drives and ended up with a bodywork bill because of a tread peeling off.
I’ve been running them for years on truck and trailer for weight savings. Blown a few and have never took a rim out yet. I would highly recommend a tire monitoring system it has saved me a few times. I’ll never understand the guys that say there no good in snow and rain. Either they have never run them or drive way to hard
Not so good in snow i hear either.
We run them here in Ohio they ain't bad after you get use to them. We switch from bridgestone to Michelin last year made a big difference.
Not fun in the rain either.
Wet roads either
@@OffroadCpl I’m the Michelin man that’s why
Always getting stuck in snow if you have to back down a ramp.
Super singles for construction applications comes in handy, it can be pretty easy to get rocks in the duels
We have them on water trucks for just that reason.
No
When you blow a tire on a set of duels your empty or very light, you can always take that tire off the rim and go to where you need to go as long as you don’t go over the weight limit of the tire
I did roadside for years, 90% of the time a super single blows it takes out the wheel also.
Only real reason they blow is because of they get abused by crappy drivers
@@j.m.5995*crappy owners
Let’s talk about the amount of destruction to the underside of the trailer, the back of the bunk, the torn off rear fenders, bumpers, etc and the danger to other motorists when they come apart and flail around. AND up here in North western Canada, nobody has any in stock. Speaking from experience.
No scrubbing either. But they suck in anything that isn't perfect road conditions
I've been told super singles also make each wheel end lighter so you can haul a little bit more weight
I saw lots of them ten years ago. Im on the east coast, and im NOT SEEING many of these tires anymore, as of may 2022
How do you like your earpiece? Can you talk clearly in a loud environment and still be heard? How long does the battery last? Can you hear music? I'm looking for one. I work at Firestone
Anything with no traction is terrible to move around with. They are used daily by fleets in order to maximize fuel economy. And when they blow, not only are you handicap until further notice, but the pressure release from a super single that blows can take out a mud flap and completely destroy an APU.
They become like a boat when driving in the rain.
😂
If you’re having that problem you have to much air in them
@@truckingandfixing me too...worst...idea ...ever!!!
Not if you have proper tread on them
Not true. I've driver all four seasons on a set of these, didn't have any issues in rain
Where I’m from they really only use those on trailers that get back down to lawns for like a turf tire like for dumping big loads of material
Michelin singles with proper maintenance have never given me problems. I team coast to coast and often run the PNW through the winter.
They have their place run a front tag on a 3axle tractor with the supers youll save 1500 lb +- id run then with active tire pressure
If i had supers on my chassis thats 2200 lbs off my tare weight.i coild then put 49 000 lb in a 20 ft container and scale 80000 gross.
I will never run a super single again. Blow one tire tire and the road call just are up any fuel savings. The truck also feels tippy due to side wall flex of only one tire vs two. They also float in snow instead of digging in.
Ya but if u have ten trucks, chances are you'll still only have 1 road call, which means you still get the fuel savings from the other 9 trucks. Plus the tires are cheaper and the weight is less. So you're ahead of the game right out the gate and the savings keep adding up, with any blowout just being a fairly minor blip.
In fact the blowouts would probably be negated by the lighter weight. If you spend $2500 to make your truck 500 pounds lighter, and that 500 pounds makes a difference just one time, it could pretty much pay for itself right there. Then if it makes a difference a second time, it's pure profit. It doesn't happen every day but I bet between 10 trucks it would happen often enough to cover the blowouts. So then you're just left with lower initial cost and better fuel economy. The fuel economy alone would equal thousands of dollars extra per year.
@slowrider if they're so great, why aren't all the major carriers using them? I had 2 trucks spec'd exactly alike except for the tires. The fuel mileage was within a tenth of a mpg. I live in a snow region and traction became an issue more than once for the singles. I'm sorry but you won't sell me on any benefits of them. I tried them and absolutely hated them.
@@donmunro144 I don't care if I sell you on a benefit. All I care about is whether or not that benefit exists. A tenth of a mpg is still like 600 bucks per year.
And most major carriers ARE using them. But they're also using other tires too, because they're always doing cost-per-mile studies on any new models that come out, so they never have all one tire.
@Buck Nekkid so?
There’s nothing good with the super single they have design flaws. When they blow they destroy everything!you can buy 3 regular tires for the price of 1 of the super single
True!
Tell the dip squirts make them with tread , and start making the M + S floatation tires again ..
Hypotectically both don't blow however often one blowing often blows the other
I’ve never blown one. Blown lots of duals. Got 230,000 off of my last pair of Michelins. Got 100,000 on my last pair of Goodyears. Those were junk. Snow has never been an issue.
I started seeing these around 2008-2009 iirc. I thought they created less drag and saved weight over duallys.
Then the trailer side skirts, rear extensions, and the tractor v-shaped aerodynamic pieces on the fairings, all came out a little later.
I thought they all were made to combat the high fuel prices of the time.
Most fleets run them for the fuel economy and the fact that they don't want company drivers driving with a blown tire. Which I don't blame them. I've had calls were a wheelbearing came apart and they lost the drum. Chained up the axle and driver was supposed to go directly to our shop. Dude decided he was 150 miles from home and he'd just go ahead and go home. His boss man was pissed. He had a driver swing by our shop to pick him up and take him home. Needless to say the truck came to our shop on a wrecker and a new guy picked the truck up when it was fixed
You didn't mention the hydroplane hazard or how horrible they are in the snow and tire chains don't stay on them really they should be outlawed at least where it snows
I LOATHE entirely super singles!!!
Another issue with super singles is they are more likely to hydroplane than duals
I have ran them all most 1 million miles without a problem on road and off road and if you are putting more than 97 pounds of air in in them you will have problems and I get around 350/400 hundred thousand miles out of them
I carry a mounted spare under my trailer. If i blow i tire i just swap the whole assembly and get back rolling in under 45 minutes
Also ,1 super single costs as much and usually more than a set of duals.
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I would definitely not consider super single ever for my truck
Also, it's hard on wheel bearings.
Good info. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I for 1 learn from your vids 👍
Not for long hauls, mainly for local deliveries
Don’t forget if you’re loaded and put them in a bind jacking it in a tight spot you can break the bead. And then you’re stuck! Don’t ask me how I know….
And they look sick on custom builds.
Trucking companies say safety is first and priority. Super Singles are horrible and not safe in inclement weather. But better fuel economy and more payload overrides safety
Very expensive too twice the price of 2 singles so you pay for 4 singles tires plus no one stock in small towns
They only work great on lift axel's
You put you to 4x6 boards and your truck and you put you a good log chain couple of good log chains in your truck you have a flat tire you pull over on the shoulder to road you put those two four by sixes stagger stacked pull that flat tire up on top of there that compresses let the air out of your airbags your air ride now the flat tire the axle is compressed up close to the frame chain it up really good now you add you some air back to your airbags back off the boards but your boards back up now you can ease down to the next truck stop where they have a shop why you eating or taking a shower you can have a tire brought out and put on that truck and you didn't get stranded there you go straight from the mechanic
Yeah their also a mother too pull off a TRL after they've been on for a while and your trying to do a brake job.
I heard of a guy who ran these on a single drive axle fedex truck, ballsy!!
Agree.
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Wow this is the first video where i can actually hear what you're even saying.
You can legally drive with one Duallly tire as long as you don’t overload that one tires weight rating
As long as you don't get caught...😁
Correct, however, they do want you to take the blown tire off so you're not tossing rubber all over the road.
I have seen people limp super singles as well. You dump air, chain the axle on that side, air back up, lock in the power divider, and go down the road. Again, legal if you're not overloaded, as long as the rubber is off.
Super single suck. I had one blowout on a converter Dolly while pulling double trailers. It almost caused me to flip the rear trailer over because it pulled so hard. I was lucky to stop the truck that was the last time I ever used a dolly with super singles on it. In fact our company doesn't even use them anymore
It's a DOT violation to drive a flat tire down the road. The old saying I can drive my duals down the road if I blow one is a bad argument.
Damn and here I thought I was the only super single
The tire shops come out with a new rim when you blow one of those because they know it’s gonna get damaged, so you’re paying for a new rim with that new tire.
I have the best of both. I have one on one side and two on the other.
They are what they are. Drive the truck responsibly and pay attention to your environment and do your pre and post trip inspections and the only one who's gonna cry is the guy who has to muscle the ss when you get a flat or blow out.
Exactly
They wear funny above 65 mph too!
Dual tires 🛞 all the way.
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They are good for States that have a tire tax
I actually preferred them. Might have to do with the particular tire and I don't remember what the brand was. But I drove the same make and model of truck with duals they eventually switched to some newer trucks of the same make and model but had super singles on them and traction control. I was very surprised how much better it went in snow, they rode better, and because we were constantly driving in unpaved industrial areas. We had a lot of problems with large Stones getting stuck in between the duels. They're almost impossible to get out and if you don't notice them you'll destroy the tire or toss The Rock once you hit highway speeds. The reality is for a company driver if you get a flat tire on a dual you're going to end up waiting for tire service anyway. The odds of you being close enough to drive to a tire shop is very low. And if that trailer is loaded it's also illegal to drive it on the single Tire. So if you got to wait to be serviced on the side of the road for a new tire anyway then it doesn't really matter but you have all the other benefits of the Super single.
They are better, that’s why they were designed.
@@eln0n01
That was my experience at least with the ones I had.
Dual tires are better traction in the snow and rain.. these tires I have experienced them and had to leave the company in winter for another company bc that’s all the truck with tires they had for me
But they look straight gangster polished up wearing some knobby tires on a lifted F250 or GMC Denali 2500
Super singles are never on light duty trucks🤣
From a tire man's stand point I like super singles because you only have to change one tire at a time and I don't have to unbolt them from the truck and I don't have to change two of them at a time if I'm putting new one in that particular spot
Love to hear your standpoint👍
I like supers on the tractor not trailer. Mostly because people mess up trailers.
800 lbs of weight savings, if your worried about that
How is it 800 pounds of weight savings? You mean having all 4 drives?
@@londonoalex 8 drive tires weigh 800 lbs more than four super singles, most of it is the rim weight
that tire tread is directional and it's on backwards
U get more nails with them tires🤣🤣
I just was looking at some trailers for sale From Gypsum and They have the “Stupid Singles “😂 I passed
I don't even like them as steers. Ground pressure equals grip and wider is less rogee
I was gunna put them on my dually
Well your dually isn’t a semi, they’ll be fine
@@eln0n01 yes I know that I was just saying
@@jessejames9443 and even semis are fine, it’s all about preference i run them on my truck and I’ve never had a problem, however I don’t go over the road, I am regional, i have 300k miles on them all around and they are holding up fine.
@@eln0n01 ya I like them I think they look pretty slick
Defiantly looks cool
Why is everyone hates them. The reason why is most company use retreads the worst idea ever plus driver don’t watch tire psi, other then that weight reduction, fuel economy, better grip and so on with duel you constantly need to watch same psi for two tires and if one is bad you’ll have to replace two I been using them for years and had no problems besides I didn’t know I retreats that caused blown out but no rim damage only tires and I use halo system
Another Pro is: These are preferred in weight saving applications
They're semi trucks
@@hggryrdchgcfor bulk haulers, they pay by how much weight you can legally haul. If you can shave 1000lbs off the rigs empty weight, that's another 1000lbs you can haul and get paid for.
Neither am I Ryan.
They're definitely not for Swift or CR England these tires have their benefits
It's Awesome when you get a Blowout. You get to go to the Strip Club and get Lap Dances for 2 days while your Fleet Managet looks for a Tire Man that can replace your Tire.
Def may have most certainly not pulled a few trailers with a flat back to the yard 😉 def not a pass inter that I didn’t notice
Miss Your Videos!
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Wide base tire 😜
Chaining up probably take up all your drive time 😂
THOSE ARE MADE FOR THE FON 2 TIRES 😆
SUPER TIRES RULE!
So you never blow a front tire?
Saw a super-single blow, lifted the whole back of the trailer off the ground about 8 inches. I think it was over inflated. It looked like a balloon just before it went.
Wow!
I always wondered if they tend to hydro plane worse. Anyone know?
That's a cute Bluetooth headset. I can understand why you couldn't take it off to make this vid, it makes you look soooooooo cool.
Lol, thank you!
Who hurt you
What do you use?
@@truckingandfixing hell yea its cool!!!
They look waaaay cooler
Well you aren't meant to run um on your tractor, we don't in Europe, duels on unit. Super singles are on all our trailers because they run better at full load and don't pop by 'kissing' or get bricks sticking between um if you run off road.
Easier to chain up though
That one tire cost is much or more than two tires
No it’s not
I always carry a spare & rim
Duels are the only way to go, Shingles get too hot
Great in snow and ice and in uneven road construction if ya pull tankers ya learn how stable they are very stable and they last 200 to 250 k miles been running them a million miles when ya drive duels after running the first thing you will notice is how the truck jumps around in the back or how the duels catch the edge on uneven terrain and with weight on them more surface patch more traction just some facts from a real driver not a rookie
Saves 400-700lbs over steel duals,.
My company runs these on everything I don't mind them as long as they virgin I usually get a new truck before I get recaps since recaps usually blow about after 2/3rds of use and you just have to be more on point with your PTI and check tire pressure but it don't matter if you have duals or singles the blow the same If they low on air
Also 1 Super Single is twice the price of a 11R22.5 or 295/75R22.5. Why pay the cost of 2 tires for a failure?
Good point
Ain't a a driver . just a wrencher . never seen a use except a mixer or something heavy on steers. Not otr
@@marktiitto7616 I have 30+years in tires and mechanical. Spent 15+ for Goodyear& Bandag. Super singles are most common on steer axle , but they are also becoming more popular on drive axles on OTR, & line haul application's. Also guys are raising the tag axle and using the on there
Not supposed to drive on a flat. Cop will remind you. One tire but it costs twice as much
Well if u know how to drive and if u do proper pre-trip and post-trip inspection you shouldn't have no problems with them