A Wikipedian explains Wikipedia to Bill Ackman
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- čas přidán 5. 01. 2024
- Bill Ackman claims not to know how Wikipedia works after his wife, Neri Oxman, was accused of heavily plagiarizing the site in her PhD dissertation. This comes after Ackman was vocally calling for the resignation of Claudine Gay over - you guessed it - plagiarism allegations. Here's a video to help explain a few things he apparently can't figure out himself.
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He wasn’t expecting his wife getting exposed. Hypocrite
Why would any Phd candidate lift passages from Wikipedia? That's more of a elementary and junior high school kind of thing.
Exactly what I thought.
Remember. At any time, Oxman could’ve talked to her husband about leaving Gay alone about Plagiarism and admit to her own plagiarism. Instead She felt smug and safe in her belief she got away with plagiarism and wouldn’t be caught, now she wants to fake apologize now that she’s under 1/100th the microscope Gay was under
Remember: Claudine Gay is a plaigiarist.
Well, I'm glad that she did not, this is just too much bloody fun.
Neri Oxman had a career before marrying Bill Ackman. Operative word: Had. I hope he never gets divorced from her, because that's gonna be one interesting and bitchin' divorce case.
@@nosouponhead Remember that is irrelevant now, because so is Ackman's wife and so is he.
@@nosouponhead says who? Under this witch hunting scrutiny , pimples turn into mountain ranges.
He sets them up, you knock them down. Thank you for taking the time.
He threatened to check all of MIT leadership’s work for plagiarism, as a preemptive attack to try and prevent them from taking action against his wife!
Imagine how many enemies he has at U Penn, Harvard and MIT, many in a position to examine much of his and his wife's written work, And don't forget all the enemies he likely has in the investment/finance community.
@@stevensica89 exactly. And here’s the good thing; powerful, ultra wealthy a$$holes like him often get cocky and forget that they actually have to say the quiet part quietly, which leads to their downfall. Can’t wait!
He threatened all of his wifes colleagues? Jesus! I bet shes having a swell time at work now 😅 id10t!
He loves his wife so much, he just wants to make sure she gets kicked out WITH her colleagues, and also for those colleagues to hate her and have nothing to lose.
A PhD really, really should be way beyond the stage of cribbing Wikipedia even if just for definitions.
As a PhD student finishing my dissertation, thought of cribbing from Wikipedia would have been unthinkable to me before hearing about this story.
It was beyond definitions. She is a plagiarist.
yeah exactly. Even an the undergrad level, lecturers frown upon students using wikipedia. These people are a joke.
@@francisejones1915 assuming she wrote the dissertation. While it is sloppy, the academic level is far higher level than her undergrad work.
@@farqueuemanno kidding. Wikipedia is a great starting point, but it is extremely... Basic.
It is utterly shocking for a person on the PhD level to even be considering using Wikipedia.
Using the article for "Sycophancy" to disprove Ian Miles Cheong's point is the extra level of shade I love in your work
That's one very beautiful example of poetic justice.
I assume there are many beds in his mansions. Otherwise, that couch gets uncomfortable fast.
Business Insider on Thursday initially labeled four passages of Oxman’s dissertation as plagiarized - without any attribution - from Wikipedia entries. But by Friday, the outlet had found at least 15 such passages, a turn of events that was similar to that which led to Gay’s ouster from the Harvard presidency.
I came into this video expecting to be disagree with its contents, but I left the video agreeing that Oxman did commit plagiarism especially after looking at the examples BI provided.
As someone who warred in high school over the dean of students of my prep school writing the entry for it and deleting several relevant well-sourced criticisms and scandals of the institution, keep fighting the good fight.
Also I'm restarting community college on Monday and had to go through a plagiarism module which provides all the principles to answer these questions without knowing anything about Wikipedia's material. Copying material without citation is always academic dishonesty, and pretty much anyone with a formal education has had this explained to them potentially dozens of times.
She probably contracted out the writing to someone who maximized their pay/hour through such copying and pasting, and now she’s angrily trying to track down the grad student she hired back then.
Knowing how university works, you wouldn’t even need to pay anyone to do the writing for you
😂😂😂😂
That is a good theory.
I. Would bet you are 100% right. Good post.
@@stevensica89 and it happens. There is a big step up, in academic levels between her undergrad work and the dissertation, which is atrocious, but still of a much higher IQ level.
Absolutely brilliant! One of the smartest talks I've ever heard. Ackman is floundering, and desperately trying to deflect, but all his money can't save him.
THE OLD SAYING: 'the sword has 2 sides.'
or the OLD saying: ' if you dig a grave from someone; dig one for you'
or the OLD saying: 'if you point a finger at someone; 3 is pointing back at you'.
or the OLD saying: 'dont throw stone in a glass house'
The ancestors warned us. ....dont be that guy
Is his wife the president of harvard ?
Ackman isn't the one deflecting. You people are.
And your envy of a man who has money is not going to poison all of us. I'm not 5 years old anymore. Encouraging envy doesn't work on all of us.
The issue is Claudine Gay. Not Bill Ackmans wife. You are the ones deflecting.
Don't forget, he has THE ULTIMATE TRUMP : he can play the Anti-Semitism Card, and he does so with reckless abandon.
@@TheFertoledoNo, not smart enough. People make a big deal over her because she is good-looking, an Israeli, and has a billionaire husband.
“I hope he’s enjoying his marital bliss with his wife”😂😉 I love ur takedown of that azz 🤡. Their hypocrisy has no bottom.
He doesn't seem to understand what copyright is either
Thanks for all the clarifications on Bill Ackman's response trying to wiggle out of applying his attack on Claudine Gay on himself or his wife.
And thank you for all your Wikipedia work.
I've always tried to understand the (way too common) phenomenon of people accusing others of what they are secretly doing. I've personally know serial offenders of this. There are studies, if I remember correctly, that people are more likely to cheat if they think others cheat. If you've been watching fox news for 20 years hearing everyone cheats screamed at you every day (just image that), you're more likely to cheat. Also if you're just a born cheater you're drawn to the idea that other people are cheating and you want to point the finger at them to make yourself feel better about yourself.
It is a societal problem publicly enacted by celebrities…the Shadow…which typically escalates them into being celebrities in the first place. A vicious circle…
Based on this statement alone, you seem like the type of person that doesn’t know how to accept when you are wrong, and then goes on to justify your actions/statements as if they were allowable while at the same time surrounding yourself with people who will enable you. On another note, you personally knowing these “serial offenders” implies some kind of authoritarian mindset that you are the arbiter of truth. Furthermore, if you turn to MSNBC you’ll find those same arguments and barbs being religiously thrown at any dissenter of progressivism.
@MelBelle55….yeah, just look at djtRump
Wikipedia is awesome but it’s for use in fact finding for discussions not to be used in scholarly papers
Ackman is now calling for the immediate resignation of his MIT professor wife for proven plagiarism. No hypocrite, is he. LOL
she lifted 😂😂😂😂15 passages from her 2010 MIT doctoral dissertation + stolen from Wikipedia. -I ❤love 2024
most billionaires pay people to edit their wikipedia page so i am surprised Bill either doesn't have those people or didn't think to ask them
Thanks Molly! Well argued, Bill Ackman think he's above the law... him and his wife look stupid now!!!
Also, re: 5:35 - copyright or lack thereof has nothing to do with plagiarism. Someone absolutely can plagiarize from works in the public domain.
E: Note to self, watch the whole damn video because Ms. White covers exactly this at 7:20.
Excellent response to Ackman, Ms. Molly White. Well done.
So Business Insider, like Claudine Gay, is now antisemitic because they published the article on Friday night during Shabbat? Is there anything that Ackman doesn't regard as antisemitic?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
These big universities should learn how to say no to “donations” from blackmailers and other shifty types and also give their dirty money back. Harvard should give his money back now.
How naive.
@@donjindra 😃😃just you watch. “Naive” things will happen so universities can save their souls:
@@victoriankambe3070 When people tell you they expect public policy to save their souls, brace for evil. I don't care if they say that from a church pulpit or an ivory tower.
Point 1: he doesn't know there's an edit history? What a loser.
Point 3: So he does know there's an edit history! Color me shocked! 😱
It's open season on plagiarism. A lot of stones being thrown by people who live in glass houses.
Well, Bill, there ought not to be a time limit on plagiarism?
Brilliant response to his melt down on twitter
Awesome video. You completely dismantled each "hypothetical" question with real concrete answers that are, ironically, almost all available on Wikipedia. I learned a few things about Wikipedia in the process.
Yep
Wow. This needs to go viral. Such a good video Molly!!!
I was hoping someone had updated the “Plagiarism from Wikipedia“ page to include Ackman’s wife before I finished this video 😄.
Well, she's there now.
@@imightbebiased9311 Wikipedia provides!
Superb take down of one pompous billionaire!
The most cutting part of the video was when you just referred to Ian Miles Cheong, twitter's number one Malaysian-Larping-as-an-American, "this particular person" lol.
oh, wow, this is hilariously brutal. I truly hope Bill watches this video!
Minor point, our friend Molly (I once met her at a Wikpedia picnic; genuinely very bright and very nice) has correctly dated the Berne Copyright Convention to 1887 (or '86 or '88; it was a long process). However, several countries including the United States disliked it and formed the Buenos Aires Convention of 1910. Eventually other countries started defecting to Berne. The USA, facing a lonely prospect, acceded to the Berne Convention in 1988. Why does it matter? The question is relevant to works created before that date. Why do I know? I have been editing WP almost as long as she has, and have had to deal with it a few times.
And no, I do not intend to be elected to the Arbitration Committee, which as she says is the Court of Appeals of English Wikipedia, kinda sorta like. I have chatted at WP meetings with a few Arbitrators; sometimes I suspect they might all be as smart as Molly; maybe even as nice. It's rather a terrifying idea.
And yes, at least one article I wrote was plagiarized; I know about that one because years ago, our internal copyright police investigated me on suspicion of copying it. That case was dropped when I looked in the Article History as Molly suggests. That was when this kind of investigation was a new thing; in more recent years our copycops haven't made that error.
Also hundreds of my Wikipedia photos have been used in various newspapers, books, and other publications. They have my permission, as granted in the Wikimedia Commons page about each picture. Possibly thousands; they don't have to notify me.
Great explainer Molly! As a long-time contributor to Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons myself, willful ignorance about these projects annoys me to no end as well.
Wikipedia, the Bible of the grassroot ignorants and lazy goats. Open a book and start studying something for real.
Great Q&A by Bill and Molly. Would love to see these two pair up for another Q&A!
Great video. I hold out hope in my idealism that nerds with facts win. That's not a given, but there's no other acceptible alternative but to continue the pursuit.
What is it with billionaires having way too much time on their hands making an as* of themselves on Twitter?
And it is so much fun seeing them just dunked on on CZcams!
Great video, thank you.
I was #420 Liking this video LOL.
These video is awesome. Also thank you for your service. One of the last vanguards of the golden era of the internet!
Thanks. Very informative. If I understand my teenage daughter it is frowned upon at school if she takes or references material from Wiki. She has to source it at the original source. Wiki isn’t always accurate but that isn’t because of the excellent editors.
15 edits per day since 2006 is uh, quite a lot.
this is some fantastic journalism...thank you for all that you're doing with this story (and overall with Wikipedia, that sounds pretty legit too)...and this is clearly driving him nuts, per his bananas post last night and follow on tweet this morning about how "This is the best and most important thing I have ever written." what a fn
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He made a very big deal about his Herbalife short, as it went against him. Anyone who shorts, uses limits or hedges, so you don’t have massive losses. He does not like to be shown to be wrong. Plagiarism is black and white. Does it matter, he has found a new crusade. I would bet this story is going to be headline news for months, unless his wife files.
Plot twist. It was never about "plagiarism", it was about stifling freedom of expressoin on campus.
Baloney. It was about a a woman who got her position through politics and lost it for the same reason.
@@donjindracry harder.
@@farqueueman No, I'll laugh harder.
@@donjindra are you laughin at bill's wife? I bet they're giant salty tears you're shedding.
@@farqueueman I'm laughing at the failures of DEI. People are finally opening their eyes to this new road to Idiocracy. As to Bill's wife, I don't know much about it. I will keep my eye on it. I don't have any sacred cows in either academia or politics.
Great video. Ackman doesn't appear to be nearly as smart as he thinks he is. He didn't foresee this coming back on him and is flailing to try to deflect. He also runs a hedge fund that barely beat the s&p last year (I'm talking by 0.4% or something), and after his fees netted his customers far less than they'd have gotten if they just put their money into a Vanguard s&p fund. One of his biggest holdings? A little company almost nobody has heard of that he ferreted out through in-depth research, no doubt: Chipotle! How did this guy get billions of dollars?
Neri husband began this drama with his comments on Dr. Gay. Harvard cleared Dr. Gay. Now all eyes on Neri Oxman. She cannot be happy with what her hubby did. People, like me, will now assume her Ph.D was outsourced, and done by someone who rushed it and used a ton Wikipedia material. I cannot think of another explanation.
"Harvard cleared Dr. Gay."
And now their indefensible apologism has caught up with them. I'm glad to see both Gay and Oxman get the scrutiny they deserve.
Plagiarism is a sickness.
Thank you, appreciate this breakdown. After hearing your interview on Higher Learning, I wanted to see the full breakdown
7:14 Wikipedia plagiarism vs Creative Commons license defense (ignores attribution requirement)
The face you’re making on the thumbnail is hilarious. Good video! Super informative.
Could you make a video about the Wikipedia "supreme court" and how it works? I remember reading about how the Wikipedia Arbitration Committee elections use Combined Approval Voting and I find that really cool as its the style of voting I think all elections should use.
Thanks Molly. You have a new sub. I will look at your previous videos as well. You definitely just want to inform viewers for their own benefit.
I enjoyed this video a lot more than I thought I would.
" Wikipedia is not a reliable source " wikipedia itself 😂
Don’t go on a witch-hunt when you are sleeping with a witch.
"and torpedoed her career"... LMAO.
8:30
«This particular person looks like he just Googled until he found an answer that was kind of like what he was looking for but his statement is completely incorrect.».
This particular person, Ian Miles Cheong, is infamous for being bad faith actor and should never be taken seriously. I would not choose to give them more exposure.
I'm glad Gay and Oxman are both getting the scrutiny they deserve! Thank you Bill Ackman.
Who new it was all about plagiarism and not genocide.
Ackman is one of those super rich dudes, who probably thinks he is too smart than everyone else and knows what's best for the world. Reshaping or fixing the world to his image and or liking.
Would someone explain just what the heck is plagiarism anyway?
Ralph Waldo Emerson, I think, once said something like the following.
"I cannot remember the books I've read any more than the meals I have eaten; even so, they have made me."
Does that mean that his ideas were all derived from his reading other people's ideas in books. Was he admitting to plagiarism? If your assignment is to write an essay "in your own words", are you going to invent new unique sounds and call them words? No. You will, for the most part, use (plagiarize) words that already exist in your language. Same thing with ideas.
You do understand the difference between paraphrasing content, which isn't plagiarism, and just copy-pasting the exact text, right?
This will have an enormous effect on the future of the e/plag movement
Thank you for a balanced view.
This is unbelievable - so prosaic!! Cribbing from Wikipedia! Very grade 6! Thanks for your work and intelligent explanation!
Thank you for the KNOWLEDGE, Molly.
Brilliant analysis of a pompous billionaire couple!
If Hbomberguy's huge recent video on plagiarism can teach us anything about plagiarism, it's that people who plagiarize tend to do it a lot before they get caught.
good work and very informative , i already knew that attribution under common creative licences for Wikimedia images is required since i am used to read them before using the images and you are absolutely right even if the licence allow the commercial use for example often it is pinned with the requirement to attribute it to its creator , and by the way, people need to understand that there are several types of licences under different reference numbers, so before using any material read what it does allow you to do and what it does not and under what conditions
Dead on explanation of basic copyright law, public domain, Wikipedia history, Wikipedia copyright licensing and how all of that relates to basic plagiarism, scholarly publications and attribution (citing). In other words, there is nothing particularly special about plagiarism from Wikipedia. Great break down!
This excellent work. Well done!
8:00 ... Sadly, there are quite a few movies that have a 0% Rotten Tomatoes score.
In fact, there's a Wikipedia page that lists them.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_with_a_0%25_rating_on_Rotten_Tomatoes
Of course there is! I should have known.
Awesome video. Thank you! ❤
Could not imagine a better version of this video. Guess I'll have to plagiarise it
A Master Class in taking down a bully. Well done.
He's a hypocrite, but he was right about Gay.
8:26 "It had a 3% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, which feels like some kind of record"
*cough* [[List of films with a 0% rating on Rotten Tomatoes]] *cough cough*
Oooh. That last comment was designed to stab deeply....
The CZcams algo is getting scary.
Loved it.
Thank you! Excellent explanation!
Suddenly Bill Ackman's wikipedia page is Extended Protected so you need a minimum of 500 edits to get edit access. How does that happen? And why doesn't Neri Oxman's page have similar status?
Great video!
He whining and b#tchin about Hamas but turn around and have a Black women removed from her position.
Brilliant take down of Ackman's smug allegations. Thank you Molly!
As a longtime fan of Web3 is Going Just great and the co-sign with Higher Learning, that’s an automatic subscription. Keep up the great work!
I subscribed because #1 you are a fabulous nerd! Thanks for your Wikipedia work, #2 you support Claudine Gay, and #3 I love the way you broke down the hypocrisy without actually calling it hypocrisy! 😂
Check out who is editing her Wikipedia page on behalf of Mr. Ackman. His name is Samuel Klein - a professor at Harvard who is bought and sold by Bill Ackman. If you have pull at Wikipedia ... you know what to do.
You’re a Star ⭐️ Thank you for this.
excellent responses indeed! Thank you!
THE ENDING AHAHAHA you are a legend
thanks molly!
Harvard University has had three Jewish presidents. Neil Rudenstine served from 1991 to 2001, Lawrence H. Summers from 2001 to 2006, and Lawrence Bacow served from 2018 to Gay's appointment. The Chair of the Harvard Corporate Board that chose Gay is also Jewish. Meaning, Harvard's leaderships is much more inclusive to Jewish leaders than the Republican Party. Not only is there no Jewish Republican Senators today, but as of January 10, 2024, there are only two Jewish Republican congressmen serving in the United States House of Representatives. These two representatives are: Rep. David Kustoff of Tennessee and Rep. Max Miller of Ohio. The republicans have 246 seats! Why are they not more inclusive of Jewish leaders?
You'd go "According to Wikipedia example means bla bla definition bla" and if you think that would sound shitty in whatever you're writing then perhaps you should not be copying their exact words.
Also, I've become a monthly donor to Wikipedia recently after listening to you big them up for a while. So how about them apples.
Everything that can be said has already been said. Get over it. We build on the foundational works of those who have gone before us. Simply acknowledge those whose works have been referenced.
Great video. thanks.
Excellent information Thank you
Upon learning that you are, and have been for some time, one of the (many) editors on Wikipedia, only reinforces my long held trust in Wikipedia as a reliable source for information
Volume please!
It corroborates the opposite for me. I've always known Wikipedia is an unreliable source.
Ackman's wife is so bad at plagiarism that she even copied other people's plagiarism.
😂
Thank you! I have heard from some teachers to not quote Wikipedia, as if it shouldn't be so, for any reason. Are you able to explain this prejudice? As you said, "as soon as you copy something verbatim, you;re committing plagiarism," which is invalid oversimplification. Plagiarized material is re-published material, with the underlying purpose or intent is to deceive its reception as being authentic. It's hairy 4D chess that I like to consider, but it is possible to excel at 4D chess, too. Why shouldn't Wikipedia be quoted?
Also, I liked and subscribed to this video, thank you!
It's interesting to see pseudo-intellectuals preemptively blame their victims for behavior that the pseudo-intellectual actually does, such as Gay's accuser. Plagiarism is easy to detect, exactly when a word is used incorrectly or asserts a judgment or conclusion that is plainly contradicted by other arguments made by the same plagiarist. I don't know of a time on my life (54 yo American) when so many individuals of a political party have clearly supposed themselves to have understood something that they actually have to use other words than the very words people use to describe themselves. It may not be due to plagiarism, but it is certainly an attempt to appear authentic.
I am truly mystified why teachers allege that Wikipedia "should not be quoted" or cited.
Excellent breakdown