The Funny Fat Girl Trope, Explained
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- Get a full month of MUBI FOR FREE: mubi.com/thetake (With the support of Creative Europe - MEDIA Programme of the European Union) | The Take is launching a brand new merch line! Check out our limited edition designs available on the Merch Shelf now before they’re gone: the-take.mytee... | For years, one of the worst things a female character could be was fat. The fat woman was often portrayed as a cautionary tale, the antithesis to the popular skinny girl. And for her failure to starve herself, she was mercilessly mocked by her peers. But the Funny Fat Woman turns it around. She owns her size-and those laughs. Compared to a history of characters who were made to feel nothing but shame, this might seem like a tentative step forward for body positivity. Yet the trope also reinforces the old idea that women characters should be sexy or amusing-and often we’re still laughing at her, not with her. Here’s our Take on the many complexities of the Funny Fat Woman, what makes her different from the Funny Fat Man, and whether we can ever get over her size.
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Please cover the Makeover trope, and why it's commonly depicted in media! 😁
Please do the powerhouse next I love that Trop please do it
*Video Suggestions:*
-The Sibling Rivalry Trope (examples: Zuko/Azula, Thor/Loki, Romulus/Remus, Cain/Abel)
-The Damsel in Distress Trope
-The Ghost Trope (examples: Crimson Peak, Swamp Thing tv show, Death Stranding)
-The Exotic Lover Trope (examples: Suzie Wong, Pocahontas, Vignette from Carnival Row, Neytiri from Avatar)
That British love story about the heavy girl who thinks she's a 4 to her boyfriend's 11 looks quite good. I see no info on it. Can any one help me find it??
Btw--excellent video this time. I complained A Lot about the Toxic Ross one--not cuz I care particularly about "Ross" but for lack of balance and accuracy. THIS is the kind of well made Take video that keeps me watching...
Dear "The Take". Please, stop watching my therapy sessions, those are supposed to be private. Thank you.
Best. Comment. Ever!
For like, half a second I thought this was gonna be real outrage.
Thank you. Thank you for this.
same
Seriously, I was just thinking about this the other day, and how a video on it would be nice. This is really creepy.
😂 :')
Related to this we have the "hotness gap" in movie couples, the average guy with the gorgeous girl
In every romance movie isn't this flipped? Where the decent girl gets the hot muscular guy? Lol. All she needs to do is take off her glasses. And BAM she gets a stud muffin 🤷🏽♂️
@@Oversurge_ well in those movies the girls are actually beautiful they are just considered ugly for no reason
@@roslyngordon4596 in Some sure. But the guy is still out of their league. Even if they are pretty.. the guy is x2.
It's probably subjective. But every movie I see where women are the target audience. The lead actress is like a 5/10-6/10 just enough to be attractive enough. But the dudes a solid 10
The more I think of this, I can pretty much only think of highschool movies examples or movies with teenage male main characters.
Holly weird Scripts
Can we have the big age gap couples troupe and analyse what is like when the guy is the old one as opposed to when the woman is the older one?
Women don't usually date younger. So it makes no sense. And even then. There was a whole show called cougar dedicated to older women dating younger guys lol.
@@Oversurge_ Women do date younger. My husband is younger than me and I prefer younger men. Maybe it's a culture thing depending on where you're from but generally speaking it happens a lot!
May - December romance. Yep The Take would do excellent work on that.
@@Oversurge_ Errr. I have twice. If you are going to produce no evidence for your thought pattern are we ok to tell random stories to the contrary? They have the same amount of validity.
@@famco_inc737 yeah, when i was little i used to think, due to my surroundings, that women must be with same age or older men.
But this is more probably inherited from the tradition of marring of young women, who now we would consider teenagers .
The way that overweight women are portrayed in the media hurts women of all shapes and sizes. It hurts overweight women, obviously, because it devalues them, desexualizes them, dehumanizes them, and leaves room for ridicule. And it hurts other women because we are basically taught that the worst thing a woman can be is overweight (thus weight obsession, from all sides), because overweight people are not respected or desired (according to media portrayal). It has always bothered me that male leads can basically look like anything, but female leads HAVE to be skinny and beautiful, especially in 'romantic movies'. The message it sends is that men are valuable, regardless, but women are only valuable under certain circumstances. Gross. I will say, though, that overweight men aren't always portrayed in a positive light, and they are often also portrayed as undesirable, socially awkward, gross (in terms of hygiene), nerds (so it teaches society that this kind of man is also not valuable or desirable).
Omg yes. I always say I can be at my perfect weight tomorrow and the way the world is set up, society would still find a way to make me feel like shit about myself because that’s the way the misogynist world is set up.
I used to be *constantly* praised by everyone around me for being skinny. It got stuck in my mind, and I became VERY aware when people stopped mentioning my weight and started praising other girls/women near me and comparing me unfavourably to them. It's nothing compared to the insane vitriol fat women experience everyday. But by praising nothing about me but how skinny I was, the seed got planted in my head that it was the only thing of value I had, so I developed disordered eating. The way women are treated just for living in their bodies is a nightmare
@@Chris-rg6nm what is annoying is how everyone wants you to stuff your face but also look skinny. Trust me, i recently got really ill from something I ate (again, caved in to friends pressure cause I didnt wanna eat that lmao) Got so ill, but not like ever before, i had stomach acid burning me which I thought would be permanent 🙁 It wasn't. I am good, but everyone was saying I should eat a dessert, bread, greasy food, milk, etc I literally cleaned up my diet and ate nothing of that. AND people still wanted to make me eat! Our society is so messed up. Also I have been called "obese" (was not even overweight) and a "bag of bones" (was not even underweight or close)
Ugly Betty?
You’re so right. I’m reasonably thin- not model thin but not overweight. Media and its portrayal of fat women has given me a horrible relationship with my body. Even though my rational mind can say that I’m not fat and even if I were, I would still be valuable as a person, BUT there is ALWAYS an underlying emotion in me that says I NEED to be thin and that I need to lose more weight. I’ve gotten better recently, but it’s been a hard road. It’s a good example of how this media portrayal harms all women, not just fat women.
the sad thing about Melissa, she didn't start with those roles. She started as a loyal loving friend on Gilmore Girls. As Sookie St. James, her weight was never mentioned and she lived a full well-rounded life undefined by it. It hurt to watch Hollywood push her into these "fat, sloppy, funny" roles because she clearly demonstrated, early in her career, that she was so much fucking more. So glad to see her back in more serious roles, she more than deserves it.
She was so great as Sookie. Honestly, I find her over-bearing in roles like Bridesmaids. I cringed. Back then she was still energetic and eccentric but she never made fun of herself.
I'm glad she got fame, but I wonder at what cost.
It’s weird because I never realized Melissa McCarthy was Sookie because her goofier roles were so far from that character I never made the connection.
Maybe she wouldn't have fallen into those roles if she took the opportunity to become less "well-rounded".
@@cloutdracula8401 wtf is wrong with u?
mu boyfriend and love melissa she is great in everything. I only got him to watch gilmore girls because she is in it.
Funny how people complain that fat women are "promoting unhealthy lifestyles." Like sure, being fat isn't healthy, but no one complains when they see Danny deVito, Seth Rogen, Jonah Hill or Keenan Thompson. I think people use the "fat is unhealthy" argument as a way to justify not wanting to see women who don't look like models on TV.
All these actors have female counterparts but there are no plus size male models and no Calvin Klein ad with an obese man wearing their boxer briefs
@@radhiadeedou8286 I have never seen a fat woman in a Calvin Klein ad? Unless you’re talking about Myla Delbasio, the size 6 “plus-size” model
And losing fat is harder for women anyway.
@@sbel6626 no plus at all in the real world. Only average.
@@sbel6626 mm maybe not calvin klein, but i do think they have a point about the modelling industry. plus size male models get basically no recognition at all.
"The funny fat man is seen as more than just his weight. The funny fat woman is defined by it. " Heew, I felt that one
Same - hit the nail RIGHT on the head!
@John Abel they are usually given the courtesy to be part of the joke and not exclusively the butt of the joke. They are also not rejected by society to the same extent as fat woman are.
What hit me even more was the statement of unworthy of love. That was too accurate.
@John Abel nah bruh, people laughing at you =/= laughing with u
peace
Granted they use this quote in a relationship sense, which is a biological thing as women have a way easier time looking pass physical weight to go personality while a men don't even give fat girls a chance and that sucks but it is what it is and if a guy doesn't want to settle for a fat chick he won't.
Donna from Parks and Recreation WAS a slightly overweight woman, but the great thing about the show was that no one, not once in the whole show, did anyone ever comment, neither negatively or positively, about her weight. She was just portrayed as the hyper confident and sexually liberated woman of the office.
wish they also did that with jerry's character.. as in, not mocking his weight constantly or fart jokes..
@@naman6334 yeah that’s so true...
@@naman6334 Jerry is being mocked for a lot of things. He's a punchbag, sadly.
Then there's Tom Haverford, the second punchbag, who's physically opposite of Jerry.
@@naman6334 But...it's funny
Donna was not "slightly overweight". She was fat. If people want fat to not be so negative and defining, why are we afraid to use the word when it applies?
Wow. Yall really went there with pointing out Black men who dress up as plus size women.... Thank you! Way more Black men who have dressed as bigger sized women than anyone else....
I'm really here for it! I don't think that people like to point it out but it is so true that it plays a role in the desexualization and partially in the dehumanization of black women.
@@BolanleJenny Absolutely!
Yet people wonder why I as a black man don't like madea's character at all.
I was like "Daaaaaaamn. They went there. "
@@superafrikanmedialabs8237 My father, a black man, hates Madea as well.
I wish that the "Funny Fat Girl" wouldn't be reduced to the comic relief sidekick of the slim, more conventionally pretty main character. "Dumplin" handled this well, with the protagonist being slightly overweight, but still attractive in her own way.
I understand the problem with fat-shaming when I read comments about this film. The hate the main protagonist received for her grief was disgusting.
"slightly overweight but attractive" is part of the problem
I like that this video hilighted what size hollywood consider fat. I never considered how in Bridget Jones she often mentions her weight which you don't see in Male overweight characters.
Fat and depressed won't make the activist happy either. You can't win 🤷🏽♂️
@@jamiecrucefix4078 also they never diet, the men i mean. Women usually are obsessed with losing the weight or .:•☆transforming☆•.°*. Was Bridget even overweight? Wasn't she just on the upper end of her bmi?
"The funny fat woman"
*Sees Sierra Burgess" 💀
No❤
@Dizi Editleri No❤
@@liamartinez8676 LMFAO 💀
@Dizi Editleri Yes ❤
I couldn´t finnish the series Sierra Burgess.
@@jamiecrucefix4078 It's a movie actually. I haven't seen it either, but from reviews I can tell she's a horrible person.
As a gay man I’m waiting for the day when a gay love story is just a love story. I am sure many larger women are waiting for the day when their stories are women stories.
Yes Collin
I'm not gay but a larger woman. I agree with you 1000%. Or a love story with black leads being a black movie. Rather than being a rom-com.
everybody hates being tokenized
Or bisexuals in just about anything not being either viewed as a lesbian in disguise or else as a girl that makes out with women just to be straight because "a guy fixed her"
And when a trans story is there without it being a drag queen. I mean, I love the fact that drag queens are seen in movies at all, but most trans people are just living ordinary lives, not performing.
“ I mean, a fat, ugly man can still be funny and lovable and successful,” continued Jane. “But it’s like it’s the most shameful thing for a woman to be.”
“But you weren’t, you’re not-” began Madeline.
“Yes, OK, but so what if I was!” interrupted Jane. “What if I was! That’s my point. What if I was a bit overweight and not especially pretty? Why is that so terrible? So disgusting? Why is that the end of the world?”
-Big Little Lies
NO! NO! NO! Many people say I am sick in the head. NOOOO!!!! I don't believe them. But there are so many people commenting this stuff on my videos, that I have 1% doubt. So I have to ask you right now: Do you think I am sick in the head? Thanks for helping, my dear isha
I totally concur! It's an extreme double standard for an overweight man to be treated with respect, in comparison to their female counterparts, who can only ever be the "plump sidekick." 😔
Golden that book and series Is!
I looove Big Little Lies.
@@trinaq when I think of fat men in movies, usually they're portrayed as goofy or beta or stupid, not really respectable
I remember in film class the teacher said that outcasts are first casted as the villain, then the funny person, then the sidekick, and finally the main character.
So true!!
As a gay guy I sometimes feel very self conscious about my weight as most other gay guys I see in media are either drop dead handsome and muscular or thin.
gotta be appealing to the eyes of those straight audiences, otherwise what gives you the right to exist? /s
@@BourbonRose_ that’s how it feels sometimes. We’re just good looking set dressing for the straight main characters. Even in LGBT media most of those characters are portrayed as thin and good looking. One can be both larger and gay after all lol
@@klausoshaunacey8429 good looking people generally make people interested in whatever you are talking about or whatever that good looking person is in it catches people’s attention and makes us associate good things with good looking people on a Scientific note it’s called the halo effect, that’s why the media uses good looking people for jobs like commercials so we can think of their products and associate it with goodness
I think part of that comes from the fact that any deviation from the standard attractive-young-white-straight-cis character is considered to be enough of a characteristic and serves as a defining attribute. You can't have the overweight character's personal arc focused entirely on their weight if they are also gay. It's sad really.
The worst thing is when people then apply that reasoning to real life. I once watched a video of a CZcamsr who was accused of lying because "You can't be autistic, gay AND suffer from a painful chronic illness. That's too much to be believable !".
@@filiaaut what youtuber? Im curious
Thank you for this. I also wish that society would stop acting like fatness is a moral issue. You're fat. Ok. If that's a health issue, then you can address that. But you didn't kill anyone. You didn't steal anything. You're not a bad person. And if you lose weight, you'll be the same not-bad person you were before with a couple less pounds.
THIS!!! I wish people would stop treating fat folks with the same level of disgust they'd give a pedophile or something.
Thank you! I am sick of people assuming I am lazy or weak of mind, with no self-control, and bad eating habits, just because of the way a look, and at the same time some thin people that eat worse than me and never exercise are treated with respect. Eff them, they don't know how much or what I eat, how much I workout, what are my thyroid issues, and yet they come give "advice" unasked and act all concerned because they judged me for a lazy bum
@@ComfortablyPlump God, I've never thought about the pedophile comparison. But you're right. I have done nothing wrong but I had wrong done against me. I used food as a way of coping and have a very unhealthy relationship with food. But like that girl said in the video that I hope if I'm nice enough people will like me. I have to work so hard to be seen as human.
Unluckily there are many hard-to-die stereotypes, like " fat = lazy, stupid and unreliable".
Yeah expecially Americans!
If you don't live in a society that has universal healthcare, there's no justification for the idea that someone else's weight is your problem!
*Video Suggestions:*
-The Sibling Rivalry Trope (examples: Zuko/Azula, Thor/Loki, Romulus/Remus, Cain/Abel)
-The Damsel in Distress Trope
-The Ghost Trope (examples: Crimson Peak, Swamp Thing tv show, Death Stranding)
-The Exotic Lover Trope (examples: Suzie Wong, Pocahontas, Vignette from Carnival Row, Neytiri from Avatar)
Sibling rivalry is a fact of life. Just ask my brother
@@trevor3013 Don't need to, I have two brothers. Both older than me.
Yep, the sibling rivalry trope would be a Brilliant topic, and I reckon that ANYONE with siblings could easily relate to it! 😂😉
The exotic lover trope was pretty muched touched on the Spicy latina trope video
@@Oversurge_ Touched on, yes, but not fully explored. A video talking about how women of color in general are fetishized would be interesting.
My favorite role by Melissa McCarthy is Sookie in Gilmore Girls. She’s a chef, her best friend is conventionally pretty (even though she eats nothing but junk food and never exercises), her coworker is obsessed with weight and his looks, her husband also works in the food industry. Everything is ready to make her weight the butt of the joke but it never is, not even a single time - and that’s so refreshing ♥️
Yes! Such a well rounded, complete, likable real character. It pains me how Hollywood has dumbed down roles for her when she's a gifted actress!
Yes!!!
Kat from Euphoria is a welcome change.
YEEEES. Kat was the best portrayal of the fat girl I've ever seen.
I agree but Kat is annoying af tho, cant stand her character
@@cristiperez2203 thats unfortunate, because she was my favourite character along with Jules.
@@cristiperez2203 but she isn’t a stereotype. She’s a human with personality and flaws, you may not like her but the show doesn’t define her by her weight and I love it
ugh i love kat. she's so empowering to me
I noticed a few days ago, a Kay jewelers commercial had a plus size lady getting engaged. You never say that in a commercial. As a plus size lady...i was impressed
Can you make a video about the "opressed" arab/Muslim girl trope and how they are always portrayed as weak and unfree in shows and movies
I wonder why that might be?
@Hanan Yeees this one
It would be nice to see some muslim representation full stop. The more rep for everyone the better.
@@HAL-vm3wn even though a lot of Muslim girls are oppressed doesn’t mean u should generalize.....smh
I wrote a story where the Muslim girl doesn’t change who she is but gains the interest of 2 men out of her religion working in a restaurant
The 90s show Living Single was a great example of a body positive show. Queen Latifah was one of the main characters and her weight was never a plot point or part of her comedy.
Ugh, that is my show, and ALL the black love in it too! 💅🏿
Being bigger is definitely more normalised in black shows and tbh in the black community I don’t think Queen Latifah is really seen as fat lol
@@user-tn6fg2du6v Yep, you're right. I really meant plus sized...whoopsie
Yes!
It makes me cringe so much every time 'obsession over food' is shown as a personality trait for fat people. It reinforces the idea that people are only fat because they eat too much. I wonder how many people with body image issues has developed an eating disorder because of it.
I think most (not all) people who are obese are so because they eat unhealthy foods, which is often due to stress or depression, and their bodies just genetically handle it badly. However, lots of skinny people also eat unhealthy and are stressed. It seems their bodies react differently. As to the obsession over food, I never actually saw a fat person obsess over eating, they are usually ashamed to talk about eating at all, as if they could bring more criticism upon themselves :( On the other hand, I've seen skinny people talk constantly about food, and eat a lot of it without any shame. It's really sad how it affects us all :(
@@iguanaco21 Yes, that was my point exactly, science actually doesn't totally understand why different bodies react differently to food or exercise. I know many overweight people who are very healthy, and very unhealthy skinny people. I'm not saying there isn't a relationship between weight and health, but it is a very small fraction of what goes on in our bodies.
@@rachelsanchis this is from someone who lost 30 pounds. My personal experience and what I learnt from research. the research shows it is calorie related. Eat the calories that you should for your height and get good rest and you will maintain your weight. Eat less and lose weight but not too much. 400-600 calories less than your recommended amount a day but I would suggest getting to it slowly. If you are over or underweight, dramatically decreasing or increasing calories immediately can have consequences for your health. So do so over 1-2 months - 50 calories less a day. Exercise is also not something for weight loss but for good health. These two are related but not the same.
@@samanjj As someone with PCOS, there are millions of reason why someone gains weight or can't loose it. With all due respect, your experience and research (specially since it seems you are not a professional) doesn't speak for everyone's experience, and you shouldn't just asume that because something worked for you, it would work for everyone. In any case, that is definitely not the point of the comment. The issue is assuming that a person who is overweight is unhealthy and that they are either on their journey to loose the weight, or eating too much and caring too little to change their weight. Which is not true and not the point.
@@rachelsanchis agreed. there are exceptions and you need to check with your doctor but if they start prescribing drugs that you wouldn’t need if you were not over or underweight then that’s a good indication. Unfortunately too many doctors don’t talk to their patients about weight anymore.
As an overweight person (not that much, but still, and i'm also in a very skinny family, so you can imagine) i hate the stereotypes about overweight/fat people. Thank you for covering this topic
I wish we as a society could start lowering the obesity rate by promoting actual health, (both mental and physical) without demonizing or ridiculing plus-size people.
Say it again but louder!
That’s why it pisses me off when people make fun of fat people at the gym or jogging. Like wtf do you want them to do, stay on the couch and eat McDonald’s? You’d make fun of them then too!
We've been eating food for millions of years, and yet we still don't know what makes us fat or how to lose it besides time-consuming exercise. Get on this, science!
Nah bro bullying works.
@@rushopolis Yeah! If you can't get them to spend their whole lives exercising or spend a fortune on surgery, just get them to kill themselves. Less fat in the gene pool. /s
Amy in Pitch Perfect literally exists only to make people feel better about themselves for laughing at fat people. I mean, she's constantly making fat jokes about herself and calling herself Fat Amy, so it's ok to make fun of her, right?
Also, how could being fat be so rare on a college campus that being the fat person necessitates its own name? If Fat Amy calls herself that, what are you supposed to call the plenty of other fat people on campus? And even if there aren't many fat students at orientation, just wait until the end of the semester. There will be then.
One of the many, MANY roles Rebel Wilson had in movies which is the 'Funny Fat Girl' trope
You mean Fat Patricia?
No, this is to make it our own and filter out the bad ones and also make people uncomfortable with this jokes while simultaneously protecting ourselves from being ridiculed, at least on the outside. Being bullied you learn that bullies enjoy in making you feel bad. So by taking over the jokes, you don't give them that satisfaction
Rebel has lost a ton of weight now And so I'm guessing the fat amy jokes will be done. Lol
Other tropes I'd love to see:
The Lighter Girl/Guy - colorism, and how in ethnic films (and beyond) the most attractive person still is the lightest. I'm finding many white people who aren't super involved in black or Asian culture are unaware of this.
The descent into madness trope
The Mr. Mom trope - when mom leaves instead of dad
The stepmother trope
The sex addict trope
Thissssssssss bruh. Especially in the black movies the black community tends to love so much. Notice how the woman is always lighter than the man. Always. The only thing that broke that trope was the little Bill books.
Why does the "HOT BLACK GIRL" always have 3 feet of WEAVE ..
@@willdpe1256 examples??
Most of the women who consider themselves fat are honestly not even fat. I am a skinny person and I've just reached the point where I can look in the mirror and tell myself the same thing, I am not unhealthy and that's all that should matter. Guess the world tries hard to make us feel uncomfortable in our own skin no matter what shape, size or gender we belong to.
I think there’s a genuine difference between someone who’s actually fat and someone’s who scared Others see them as fat or have body dysmorphia, a lot of it is from toxic media portrayal. It’s sad in all these cases because in the end even if the woman isn’t fat she’s always scared she’ll one day become fat and then no one will respect/desire her.
@@The-bi5ry I agree with you
"Not even fat"... Hm. Sounds like you have some.more thinking to do on this.
@@KRfromthePaleozoic I wasn't talking about people who are considered overweight or obese according to a scale and are, indeed, fat. My comment was about fat phobia being so prevalent that even some skinny or healthy weight people worry they are fat. Body dysmorphia, basically.
*spoiler alert* it’s because they want to make money off of you. If you’ve got a low self-esteem, you’re gonna buy things to make you feel better. Not to mention the cost of fashion, makeup, waxes, diet plans, etc. billions are made off of female insecurities.
I would love to see one about the disposable partner, that gets dumped for a love from the past.
This would be good. Complete with just a bunch of James Marsden roles.
the mother from how i met your mother is an extreme example of this
oooh yes I'd love this!
Omg, this is the entire plot of the movie Serendipity.
13 going on 30
I would love to see your take on women with muscles being the butt of the joke as well. I believe they have a similar treatment to the "fat girl" by making fun of their "masculinity" or "dominatrix" persona.
Great suggestion! I would love to see the take tackle this trope.
You should see She-ra and the princesses of power. I know it's an animated series but they have the best representation I have ever seen.
or 'the mate' who dies in the first half of the movie((
@@tiarezavaleta8850 I got the show recommended before, and I enjoy cartoons, I'll certainly give it a look. Thank you!
Agreed! Great idea for a video. Boxing women in this way I assume, must be very frustrating
It’s not fun when people constantly comment on your size, whether you’re big or small. And it’s especially frustrating when you get told that you need to eat more or eat less. Food is not the only thing that determines your weight and body shape. Medical conditions, genetics, financial stability, stress, and other factors contribute to how you look. If only popular media focused less on the appearance of their characters and concentrated more on developing well-rounded, non-stereotypical characters with unique goals and memorable backstories.
This
I feel everyone needs to watch shows like Superstore and Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, these shows flip this trope on its head
@@gabrielaalejandraneiraitur9782 I was thinking more in terms of Paula, rather than Rebecca. Much of Rebecca's self-hatred (and humor) stems from her weight (and how she perceives how others view her); Paula, on the other hand, rarely if ever mentions her own weight, and is allowed to be desirable and sexy as a plus-size woman, rather tha "in spite" of it.
I think both Rebbeca and Paula are great examples of how being fat can be represented with diversity and respect. I love that they show two different examples of the fat woman: they are aware of the norm and that they don’t “fit in”; for Rebecca, this is an issue, not on itself, but along all the other aspects of her self image that are painful to her, while Paula may make one or two jokes about junk food, but this only becomes an issue when it’s genuinely related to her health. It feels truthful - there’s a pressure to be thin and not all of us are confident with ourselves, even if we are feminists who accept others and truly believe weight shouldn’t be an issue
@@lulyfernandess1 Absolutely. And Paula and Rebecca's views of their own bodies come from very different places. Paula's dad treated her more or less as "one of the boys;" while that's problematic in it's own ways and an entirely different discussion on it's own, she wasn't raised with a hypercritical view of her body. Rebecca, on the other hand, had her mother constantly harping about her weight, forcing her on diets, and attempting to make her "ideal" marriage material. This results in Paula relishing in feeling desired and seen as a woman, living vicariously through romantic shows and Rebecca's love life, and resentful that her dad has always treated her like a buddy, rather than a daughter. Her weight has never really come into play because she's mostly been viewed as a non feminine, nonsexual being, where her body doesn't really matter.
Rebecca was exposed to the opposite. She's almost hypersexual due to the focus on her appearance and the importance of her appeal to men, and she's far more critical of herself and focused on what she's "supposed" to look like because she's been conditioned to see thin beauty standards an inherent value and a viable commodity.
I would love to see The Take do a side-by-side analysis of Rebecca and Paula, and expand further on how their upbringings play into the portrayal of weight and femininity in media.
@@mst3khaleesi943 yesssss! I would also love a take specifically on Paula and uer relationship with motherhood - towards her own kids, towards Rebecca and also Naomi. To be honest though, I’ve asked for a CXG take so many times that any video kernel the girls give us - I’ll take it
@@lulyfernandess1 A video on Paula's approach to motherhood would be incredible! But you know what they say about video kernels; a handful is the proper serving anyway
"She's like a butterface but for personalities." I love Booksmart.
So funny!
it is so sad how Hollywood has reduced Melissa McCarthy to this trope, when in Gilmore girls, 20 years ago, she was portraying such a good character as Sookie, she was funny and quirky but also she was an amazing chef, a really good friend and she had her own love story and during the show never ever her weight was mentioned because it was not relevant at all
She chooses to act in these movies. As that trope
Charlie Sheen did basically the same...
What about Penelope Garcia from Criminal Minds? She’s definitely curvy and doesn’t conform to the “rail-thin” standard either. In all the episodes I’ve seen, I don’t think her weight has come up once, and the whole team would honestly be lost without her.
That’s a good example
I was just thinking about her! She’s awesome and such a fan favorite
Criminal minds is my favourite show and honestly I never thought of Penelope as fat I was surprised when you mentioned her here. yeah she is curvy definitely 💜
@@matematicarka I never really thought of her as fat either. I’m just mentioning her in reference to the defying the standard/stereotype portion of this video.
great example! I also love the dynamic between her and Morgan; its nice to see a plus size woman be called things like “baby girl” and “beautiful”
suggestion: the punching bag character (ex toby from the office, jerry from parks and rec, boyle from brooklyn 99 etc) who’s usually the butt of a joke and is pretty mercilessly ridiculed (often by their friends) but they rarely react, only take it
This trope actually makes me really sad. I find it so cruel and shitty every time to trivialize bullying like they do
Another example is Britta from Community.
me lmao
Doug from House of Lies
me read the title: omg is this.....me? oh wait, I'm not funny.
Your comment made me giggle a bit so I think you're funny! 👍
Why do I relate to this so much, lol? 😥😂
You made me laugth so i guess you are !
SAME
LOL
If I remember well
Carrie form the Stephen King novel is plus sized
But in movies she's always skinny
Gosh I love Mo'Nique. One of the original big girl icons to own her size and beauty. She deserves so much more respect than what she gets...
As a former obese child (and slightly overweight pretty much ever since), i have struggled a lot to let my romantic partners see my naked body (as in Bridget Jones 2, when she wraps herself in her sheets so that Mark doesn't see her wiggly bits). I also had to fight some internalized fatphobia when i watched 'My mad fat diary' because I too thought the handsome romantic interest was out of her league. We have been internalizing these poisonous ideas about fat people, about what they can or can't or shouldn't do--based solely on their body image, and it's time to stop. We're hurting ourselves, and we're hurting others.
Drew Carey made it a point of not making any jokes about Mimi’s weight in “The Drew Carey Show.” They could joke about how mean she was and her tacky clothes and garish make-up but her weight was off limits.
I never really noticed that before, thanks for bringing it up. I gotta rewatch that show, the trash talk between Drew and Mimi is legendary.
I just googled it and it has Kathy Bates! Thank you Ruth, now I have a new show on my watchlist 💗
Mimi was always my favorite character from that show. I know the joke was that she was "tacky" and overly garish, but I always loved her outfits and aparments decor. Like, yes girl, own your look.
He himself would be throwing stones from his glass house as it were
The thing about melissa McCarthy's typecasting is that I first saw her on Gilmore Girls and I don't remember her character being reduced like this. Sookie was complex and an individual who's story didn't revolve around her weight.
Came down here to say this! She is still a funny sidekick character in GG, but it has nothing to do with her weight. Rather they actually developed a funny, quirky character, instead of going for the lazy and rude choice.
I'd love to see the "I can fix him" trope analysed? I think it's harmful for both men and women.
Didn’t they do this with the manic pixie dreamgirl already?
Can we also discuss the difference between owning your body and your sexuality, and desperately trying to convince yourself that sex = approval, love, being liked because that motivation comes through in too many female characters.
"Big girls need Big diamonds" Elizabeth Taylor
I agree, I wish that more "big" sized actresses could play leading roles, as it would depict a sense of realism to audiences, in that not EVERYONE is glamorous and gorgeous! ❤️
@@trinaq I agree.
@@trinaq But fat women can be glamorous and gorgeous.
Amen!! Been waiting for this video!
The trope of the gay best friend would be nice for next
I’m pretty sure they already did
SO glad The Take featured My Mad, Fat Diary clips. Spoiler alert: The main character never loses weight AND she finds love AND she ends up ending her relationship with the “hot guy” because it wasn’t right for her.
I just would have wished some more references to "My Mad Fat Diary". That series went full on the complexities of the fat girl trope. Yes it had its faults and and yes, it also had some very clever writing on all aspects. Sadly, it's not on the spot since it was a short-lived Britsish series.
that show was great I like how it showcased her "hot" friends insecurities too
Yeah. I wish Channel 4 covered all of Rae Earl’s story but considering that the real Rae stopped writing her journals at college, it makes sense why they couldn’t go on unless they went OITNB with it and took a lot of creative liberties (which can be a mixed bag as OITNB proved with the dramatic difference between IRL and fictional Piper Kerman).
This trope can be very damaging. I love everyone no matter how much they weigh. Everyone take care!
Yeah. It lies to us. Saying fat women are funny. 🤫
Your profile if funny lmao
You wouldn't say that if a fat person sat on you which coincidentally can be very damaging
In New Girl I liked the storyline with Schmidt choosing between his ex-girlfriend Elizabeth who is overweight, and his current model girl Cece. Though he still ended up with Cece, they treated Elizabeth with respect and she actually played a role in bettering Schmidt as a person.
Though in essence it really didn't have to be pointed out that she was bigger than Cece, it tied into his own past as an overweight man. And even though he lost the weight he is still not necessarily projected as hot. Or maybe that's just me 😏
I know! Schmidt liked Elizabeth because she was a free spirit who didn’t care what other people thought, and she helped him feel confident no matter how he looked. And the reason he didn’t like being seen with her wasn’t because she was fat, it was because she dressed loudly and danced badly and did her own thing (and it was really jerky of him to act like that with her, but I’m just saying it wasn’t because of her weight).
EVERYONE needs to watch “My mad fat diary” it’s soooo underrated but Amazing!!!
That's why I love Jo Jo rabbit for taking this trope and turning it around
Watched JoJo Rabbit the other day. Great movie. I recommend What We Do in The Shadows, too (both the movie and the TV series).
@@Vincisomething thanks!
Through that entire video, I saw three women I would actually consider "fat" and, for me, that is a massive part of the problem. Additionally, Rebel Wilson and others discount the contributions of Black Women in this area and yet this video mentions the problem and then *still focuses only* on Rebel, Melissa and others who look like them. 😥
Anyhoo, one of the reasons the "Funny Fat Girl" is such a prevalent (and damaging!) trope is because in real life fat women are not allowed to be fat AND serious or mean or anything else. If you're fat, you *must* be non-threatening; being funny is non-threatening.
Or smart. Fat women in real life certainly can't be intelligent. Because if they were really smart, they would have never let themselves get fat.
@@elliefleming3534 None of any of that is true.
@@mattheston9132, perhaps my sarcasm was not showing. Talking more about how I personally have been treated.
@@elliefleming3534 I'm with you, Ellie!!! Very true. 🤓
@@elliefleming3534 this! It’s so exhausting how intelligence is considered a threat or impossible to cater to.
Another trope that would be great for the Take to cover is the beauty vs brain/brawn idea. The latter is often considered “safe” so long as beauty is not attached to it, thus why we get tropes like the funny fat friend or the buddy cop duos where one’s attractive and the other is a misfit whether by appearance or habits considered unappealing. It hits women hard because society makes as if you can’t be both/all three when there are plenty of examples in real life.
Also, I hope you can do a take on certain love story settings such as Teacher and Student love story or Boss and Secretary love story.
Yessss, weird un even power structure relationship trope
yesss specially in teen media, pretty little liars is the first example that comes to mind
@@spnvpng04 YES!! ARIA AND EZRA!
As a woman you can't be perfect, you are either skinny or either fat, is nothing between, like normal. That's what I see in the movies and personal experience.
Most important thing love yourself and body and don't give and f what other people say!
Except, you still need to listen to doctors.
'Love yourself' should be 'I love my body. I should not harm it. I should keep it healthy.'
I remember when I was 12 years old and watched "Now and Then". The character Chrissy had a body that looked like mine. And all of the other girls in that movie treated her terribly and laughed at her and called her fat. They were always leaving her behind and rolling their eyes whenever she said anything. She is portrayed as a nuisance who is always slowing the group down. The part that is fucked up is it's framed as them being her "friends" She was solely there to be "comic relief" while the other skinny girls Roberta, Sam and Teeny were given more interesting storylines that had more depth. You don't realize how much that shit fucks you up until years later. I thought that because I wasn't skinny...that meant I was annoying and slow and unlovable and I deserved to be treated badly. That meant there was something wrong with me. I'm not saying that it's solely a stupid movie that did that to me....but the messages we portray in media are very sneaky and clever and compounding whatever insecurities we might have.
Could you do the colorism tropes in black movies and tv shows?
A light skinned POC most likely with an All White Mother wants to hear about "Colorism Tropes" in "BLACK" movies and tv shows? If you have a White MaMa you're a Dark Skinned Person Of Whiteness ....
@@willdpe1256 WTF are you babbling about?? And you don’t know her parents’ ethnicity.
@@calisongbird I'm darkskin and this made me laugg. Lmaoooo
Nikki Blonsky is one of my favourite actresses, but sadly, most of her post Hairspray projects typecast her as "The Pudgy Girl", when she's capable of so much more! 😢💔
The weird thing is that one of the reasons I love Hairspray for making the big girl the main character with a wonderful personality, activism, and love life. Even if it does bring up her weight too much.
she's literally racist...
@@tariqthomas9090 I think the play/movie bring up her weight to show how Tracy is marginalized as well. It's not nearly as bad as the scrutiny black people experience, but her feeling like an outcast helps her empathize with and stand up for those who have it worse.
I think that is the reason why she quit tge industry.
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Putting in Rae from My Mad Fat Diary in as being de-sexualized is sort of wrong. She wasn't. That was a big part of the show. Her new friend, Finn, was attracted to her from the get-go. But Rae herself saw herself as desexualized. Even her mom, who was not thin, found a romantic partner who showed her deep devotion.
I think in this case it was more so that she was doing the harsh criticism and desexualization to herself rather than other people doing it to her. It’s an example of how social expectations and in her case a recent eating disorder recovery distorts her self perception. Her loved ones may love her as she is but the bigger plot is her doing that for herself and not looking at her friends and family as doing lip service. Rae obviously wants to express her sexuality but for a while she felt like she had to do it behind closed doors or in her imagination (especially in season 1).
@@JuriAmari - This is true. But it's not really the same thng as the 'fat girl trope' when the show took pains to show that larger women are not desexualized, though the influence of society can make them believe it. It's more of an examination of what being fat can do to a person's internal view of themselves, just based on fat-shaming and the glorification of thinner bodies.
I don't think putting MMFD in the same boat as some of Rebel Wilson's stuff is remotely accurate. Or fair to MMFD.
Loved Queen Latifah's Last Holiday. At the time, I didn't realize that she was playing a "funny fat girl"--I thought she was more like any romantic comedy heroine, with an emphasis on the romance and self-love.
Anything about the Hollywood Fat issue? Like a full video.
Also the Nagging Mom that wants daughter to get married and have kids and never divorce.
That's a wonderful potential video topic! The biggest example that springs to mind would be Mrs Bennett from "Pride and Prejudice", or Mrs Jones from "Bridget Jones", who is actually based on the former! 😅
@@trinaq And deconstruction like Roses mom from Titanic or Serena Joy's mom from The Handmaids Tale
Or Elinor from Brave
@@trinaq Also Lois Foutley as a subversion "Being in a relationship for the sake of being in a relationship is just plain crazy, you gotta let your heart lead the way"
@@trinaq or the mom from Because I Said So. The same film also flips the trope because she eventually falls in love too.
What they do to us is awful. Stay strong girls, you're not the only one, we're together. (':
They laugh at thin people, too, you know.
Te Min, this video wasn’t about thin people.
I dont think the Sierra example fits this trope.
Sierra fits more of the nerd revenge trope. Nerds and different individuals who see the world's expectations and bad perception of people like them and internalize those negative ideas onto themselves. Automatically putting themselves as a victim whether or not they actually are one. To these characters, this perspective justifys their behavior.
Characters that fit this trope include:
Johnny McBride from the proud family, who mistreated Penny Proud and her family because he was in a wheelchair.
New Heather's clan who took the sjw diversity right movement to their own advantage.
Liz Lemon reunion episode who thought she was a bully victim but turned out to be a bully herself.
Whats interesting about this trope is how it overlaps with the nice guy/nice girl trope where people think the only reason they don't have a boyfriend/girlfriend is because they don't fit the stereotypical version of pretty. They also think that just being the minimum of nice owes them a SO.
Agreed, Sierra was not funny. I actually enjoyed the protagonist not being all perfect and sunshine for once, she was so relatable to the hate and injustice I felt in her age and the bad decisions I made from that anger
I'm closer to 40 than 20, I've been thin for my entire life, & my mother _still_ scrutinises what I eat, because I enjoy my food to a degree she seems to think is dangerous, or at the very least anti-social. My best friend is twice my weight, super self-conscious about food, & amazing.
I wish we could all just get over it.
I hope big girls will be included in movies more often.Just like in real life. They're just normal girls .
One of the best examples of the confident fat woman is Nessa from Gavin and Stacy, her weight is barely mentioned and she is unapologetic in her personality. She was the best friend character but she had depth and actual storylines, not to mention the actress co-wrote the show. Showing that stories written by bigger women often don’t include the jokes
I watched Dumplin' yesterday. Such an amazing utilization of this trope. Smart, honest and brave.
Hi, The Take. I hope you noticed this comment for trope suggestions (I'm not sure if this is what they were called)
Outcast/Silent Kid Trope
Ugly Duckling-to-Beautiful Swan Trope
Ps. Also, please do a discussion about less emphasis on cheating on films. Examples are the one in The Notebook where Allie is already engaged before meeting Noah for another time and in Me Before You wherein Louisa were also in a relationship while she falls for Will. There's a lot of films but I can't mention them all.
I hate that the self confidence of the fat woman in movies is usually a joke in itself. It is usually supposed to look like a gross lack of self awareness, the audience is never encouraged to admire her as much as she admires herself. Because of the way the character is framed, the audience gets a feeling of superiority: "We know she is supposed to hate her body, but she doesn't. What a fool". Self love is painted as self delusion in those movies, and fatfobia is painted as common sence.
This is a *perfect* way to describe this. Happens too often with Rebel Wilson movies
Am I the only one who starts fangirling when they see a show they've watched playing in the background of the voice over 😭
I love My Mad Fat Diary, that show was so good, I am glad you included it.
Omg my mad fat diary moment in the beginning took me back when I was obsessed with that show 😭
I wish weight wasn't so forced on women, it is so damaging to women's health and mental care
It seems weird to point out that Rebel or Melissa are discounting the contributions of black women to this trope, and then, proceed to do almost exactly that for most of the the rest of the video, by focusing on Melissa and Rebel. It just feels like black women are used as a "disclaimer" here and in many other videos rather than as a meaningful exploration centered around how they're portrayed. Idk, seems like a miss to me
Completely agree--I really enjoy The Take, but they need to do deeper and richer collection of films and TV shows---this one was less effective because of exactly your point.
The writer even brings up Rebel's ignorant quote but also fails to bring in all the film and television references that Rebel and many audiences seem clueless about...these analyses try to deconstruct a "universalist" stereotype but often use the same old cultural touchpoints. Instead celebrate and share deeper on Black, Latina, Asian, Native/Indigenous actors/characters as more than "disclaimers" as you aptly wrote.
How about Elaine Miles [Cayuse-Nez Perce] who played Marilyn Whirlwind on Northern Exposure, circa 1990s? Not only was her weight never an issue, she provided an intelligent commentary on alternative ways of being in the world from neurotic and materialistic? Miles' character was powerful because she educated show runners and costume dept. on Indigenous representation, moving out of the "braid stereotype" in season 1 to authentic design in later seasons. Marilyn had a real love affair and sustained a beautiful sense of self.
There are myriad media and cultural writers these days but they all cite the same films and television. There are treasure troves from diverse artists and their representations, and way more coolness from different eras (1950s-1990s). Thank you so much for your comment!!
@@jenm3056 Yup super valid. I completely agree! For a media youtube channel, it is dispiriting to see mostly similar, middle class, white shows and movies be critically analyzed. Whenever they show more positive diverse ones, its mostly from the past 7-10 years. Yes, Hollywood has been really bad and rare with BIWOC portrayals before, but women of colour existed in media fairly positively before, like you said! This channel needs to diversify its appetite.
I need to see Northern Exposure though. Will add it to my list. Thanks a bunch for your reply too!!
I agree. I know partially it’s time, but there are other aspects of the trope they could’ve explored as well. They did cover a snippet of how fat women are often not considered a “threat” when it comes to romance via the use of exaggeration of humor and personality. But one thing I wish they covered was how women had to compensate by leaning into/downplaying feminine presentation or intelligence - the latter being a prominent story where an idea is either unacknowledged or stolen by a more attractive producer. It’s especially common with BIPOC characters.
I’m glad that I’m not the only one who remembers Northern Exposure! I really want to rewatch it!
Oh totally true. Definitely a fuller exploration of this trope, particularly those parts which impact more BIPOC characters, could be done. This version of it is just a bit disappointing.
Who knows, if we're lucky, we'll get a part 2 of this trope, analyzing the other things. I'm not hopeful about that though.
Could you guys do a video on yellowface/brown face in the media? No one seems to talk about it.
Be Kind Rewind has a great video about the history of Asian women in cinema.
@@zucchinigreen I think I saw that. Thanks!
I really love this channel, it breaks down things we see on screen and it helps explain why society is the way it is this si what’s portrayed I like how they dig deep into stuff
Honestly, the only movie that really dives into someone's out look on appearances and talks about what beauty means is an underrated movie called Red Shoes and the Seven Dwarfs.
Shallow hall does this
@@Oversurge_ shallow Hal is still a fatphobic movie. Hal still imagines the Rosemary is beautiful the whole time because he thinks she’s slim. Therefore he still thinks slim is beautiful in is mind. For its time the message was progressive but in 2020, it’s still majorly flawed.
Red Shoes is a good film. It’s a shame the marketing team wasn’t able to express the appeal correctly. I’m glad it’s getting more positive attention nowadays!
I was actually hoping to see this trope!!!!! Hope you can do the 'Mary-Sue' trope
"From John Belushi to John Candy to Chris Farrelly,"
Me: And now I'm even sadder.
[sits in the corner and cries] WHY MUST THE GOOD DIE YOUNG??!!
I have to say as a girl that’s been overweight her whole life, I’ve always been infuriated by “the funny fat woman” trope. Mostly because a lot of people never took me seriously in work or school because I was big. People always expected me to be cracking self deprecating jokes and laughing along to fat jokes or when I would be clumsy.
Please do asexual representation in movies and tv!
3 shows
That'd be cool! Like in Bojack Horseman, Game of Thrones, Shadowhunters, Sex Education...
Yes!
They should do Good Omens too. Many people in the LGBT+ community consider the main characters asexual. 🙂
@@amandak.5967 GoT? Can't remember anyone who was asexual in the books or the show
If Archers Pam was a real life person it would 100% be Rebel Wilson
Which reinforces "Fat people are gluttons" BS when most fat people I've ever known eat less food than any skinny person I've known due to having a slower metabolism.
Lmao. Skinny People on average eat healthier options and are active. So they built muscel. Muscel burns a lot of calories even if you're just laying there. Eating 6 slices of pizza the whole day is more calories than eating 3 big balanced meals. Calories and activity is everything. I lost 90lb. I can now see my abs. I eat more food now then I did when I was 230lb
@@Oversurge_ I know lots of skinny people who eat like shit and aren't active. My point was body type isn't indicative of a person's diet but Hollywood acts like it is.
I have seen a fat friend eating the healthy meal you describe being mocked for eating while the person doing the mocking was eating junk food.
@@Oversurge_ Good for you! That is your story, you do not represent every fat person on earth.
And you happen to look male in your picture, so how does that apply to women?
I know many slum/skinny people who survive on coffee, red bull, cigarettes, and junk food. Nobody comments on their health, since their body 'deems' them healthy.
@@SweetPercs 1. I am Male, but weight-loss works the same for all genders. Male, female or circle.
2. I didn't give my story. I just said I lost 90lb and I'm able to eat more now then I did before
3.The person I was replying to IS a male
4. The skinny People who survive off that still probably consume less calories than a fat person. And probably burn off a lot of calories with all that caffeine in their system. Plus black coffee and cigarettes are 0 calories.
5. I never said being skinny means you're instantly healthy. Ofcourse being skinny and unhealthy is probably still healthier than being 500lb but eats salad all day.
@@Oversurge_ it does NOT work the same way for both genders. Look it up.
Not sure if anyone here watched The Vicar of Dibley but I always loved how Dawn French played a confident, plus-sized woman who the townsfolk genuinely adored and cared for, plus she always got hot guys! It was a really quirky show with occasional nods to her body size, but never with a cruel, malicious tone. Her character was 100% accepted and loved for who she is (coz that's how she treated herself).
I don't know what the movie is but when the plus size girl told her thinner boyfriend he should date the skinny girl I had serious middle school flashbacks! I don't know how many skinny boys I pushed away because of the toxic view I held of myself.
It was my mad fat diary - SUCH a good show!
These videos always leave we thinking the variety of representation in films and tv. This one is definitely my favourite.
My Mad Fat Diary is one of my favorite shows and I love that it’s mentioned here! I love how it deals with Rae’s journey through accepting herself and putting it in the back instead of how much it affected her in the first two seasons.
When Melissa McCarthy played Sookie, her weight wasn't even mentioned. Gilmore Girls was amazing for stuff like that.
It's great that you have made this video cause it explains a lot of problems bigger people have. Cause a lot of people still think that plus size people are just funny and ugly and have no discipline and i am very ashamed of it... Fortunately times and media is changing.
I'm so tired of the gross fat woman jokes/bits in movies and tv shows, it's always refreshing when the overweight/fat woman gets to be a proper character without the show/film always honing in on or mocking her for her weight, especially when she's allowed to be confident and feel/be desirable. Same goes for women and age in movies and shows. I'm thrilled whenever a middle-aged or older woman gets to act and be viewed as desirable (and not have it turned into a joke). It just becomes more interesting than the typical Hollywood-standard looking characters, because it ends up feeling more real, rather than an unobtainable fantasy.
Well, there is always Cat in "Euphoria" she is one of the most confident characters and is attractive af because of it.
But uncle Phil was a judge in bel air and he did seem to be like a good father and husband
What blows my mind about movies, it makes it seem like talking about other people's weight is totally normal. I would never bring up any of my friend's or family members weight. I would never walk up to a stranger and tell them to lose weight. I know there's people out there like this but I don't think it's common for adults to be that openly rude.
As someone who has been size 16 and size 6, yes, yes it is that common. COMPLETE strangers commented on my size, my groceries, what I was drinking, how much weight they think I should lose so they would deem me attractive (with zero invitation). It started in grade school and never stopped until I did some very dangerous and unhealthy things to lose the weight and then was congratulated by everyone for being "healthy".
@@shandiana that's fucking terrible! Excuse the language but that's inappropriate of them. I've never done that to my friends or family and would never. I'm sorry people think it's okay to talk to you that way.
@@quarantinedcosmonaut4082 No offense taken, I agree, fuck those people. But yeah, it was constant and insidious and unless people experience it firsthand, it's very easy for decent people to dismiss that kind of cruelty because it literally would never occur to decent people to do that.
If only...! Some people, especially on the internet, feel like it's ok to randomly comment on someone's weight. Like, thanks, random person, I'm sure the overweight person didn't notice that he/she has a few kilos too much before you said it...
I totally agree with this, it's just tough because there *are* really people or women who are overweight or obese, who literally *need* to lose weight because their current weight is genuinely unhealthy. It's a real thing. Their stories need to be portrayed too. It's not fat shaming for a doctor (because only health professionals should be able to make this health decision with the person; no one else, including strangers, viewers, etc) to tell a person that they need to lose weight or they will have a heart attack, get diabetes, etc.
This is a real question: how can media portray those kinds of people without "making it all about their weight" and while still portraying body positivity? Honestly I thought that's what This Is Us was/is trying to do. Or is it just impossible to do that now? Is it impossible to have body positivity while still knowing you have to lose weight to be healthy?
Disclaimer: I don't think there's a perfect weight or body type. There could be a weight for one person that is healthy and for another person that is unhealthy, and it doesn't *just* depend on something like height.
We are waiting for the best gay friend trope. From Rupert Everett in 'My best friend's wedding' to Jaclk Porter, from 'Dawson's creek', and Kevin Keller, from 'Riverdale'.
I had a chubby friend in middle school who got bullied often. Her mom came to get her and the vice principal had no sympathy, saying "well if she wasnt fat, she wouldnt be bullied"
As a girl who used to be fat, can confirm IRL expects this as well. I only ever got comedic roles for theater when I was fat.
I'm always surprised by how much negative attention being fat gets in the media, especially where portrayals of fat women are concerned. If you look around at real life, the world is full of fat people just... living life. Far from the life-defining struggle that is depicted in the media, fat people (myself included) mostly seem to marry, have kids, have jobs, have complex relationships with family and friends, have hobbies and aspirations and, well, just your basic life, really. Why does the media depict the shame and struggle of weight and body image issues as being so much more significant in fiction than it is in reality? I'm not saying I don't occasionally struggle with my weight or appearance. I do. But... I honestly usually have more important things to worry about!
I loved that I’m Isn’t it romantic it didn’t matter if Natalie was fat or not, she’s fat just because it’s the opposite of the classic romcom trope