Question: Is Computer Science a Cool and Fun Profession?
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I recently came across your channel and really appreciate the advice and experience have been providing. I am currently a student in first year studying a double degree in Computer Science and Electrical Engineering (5 years). I am considering dropping engineering and doing just Computer Science (3 years). The reason for this is that, although i grew up with a passion for engineering, I hear that many engineering jobs are mundane and unsatisfying and do not meet expectations. However, being in Australia, i am unsure of my job employability/security having just a computer science degree. Is it worth the extra 2 years of work and fees for the electrical engineering degree as essentially, a backup.
Thank you in advance,
-Jimmy C. - Věda a technologie
I worked at a company with a foosball table, dart board and arcade machine in the lunch room. I used them nearly every day with my co-workers at lunch and I went straight home at home time. There wasn't a single person in there that waited in after hours for a game of foosball.
paddy mcg you could have worked out in lunch. Or read some book.
not gonna lie the orange shirt makes it look like he's doing computer science from jail
Haha
I spit on my keyboard!
hahahah,,
true XD
LOL fun jobs, I live in Brazil and the word in Portuguese for work is "Trabalho" which comes from the Latin word "Tripalium" that is a torture method that involves tying one to three stakes and burning him alive. Fun fact, the words travel and travail also have this Latin root.
+ma ged yeah there was no cars back then
it's more like Spanish.
First 50 seconds and this guy's charm sold it, subscribed.
Funny, I am watching this as I am sitting in Microsoft building 34 cafe. When you mentioned the foosball, pool tables and beer on tap stuff, I had to laugh in agreement.
I do contracted security.
NakedFrijoles really? So they pay u to watch youtube videos haha
He said he's watching it at a cafe... you know, during his lunch break?
Thank you for these videos and advice. So practical, and I love your delivery. Making my senior son watch these as he thinks he wants to go into. Computer Science' - at least he loves math and is good at it. So, let's see.
this is enlightening... Thank you. I'm a CS major and I was wondering about interning at a startup - this was a damn good video :)
Great insight video. One thing I have come to find out working is that I will like any job that pays well and you feel respected at the end of the day. As a programmer it might be boring as hell and your mind is going insane for hours a day, but then when it comes time to submit your work / show your work and the boss and your co workers commend you on it and show you respect, you feel satisfied and that is where job enjoyment comes from.
Thanks so much Eli! I was thinking about switching my major to Computer Science, and I came across this video...And now you've just reminded me how much thought I put into sticking with the major that I'm doing now. So I'm gonna stick with it!
Love your videos man you always keep it real!!
yo Eli, i got a job about a month ago at a computer shop, and i havent even had a computer since windows xp was current.
watching your videos have helped me alot, i really apreciate you and what you do. you are a funny character and highly intellegent, cheers.
wow, this was pretty insightful. Thanks. I never quite thought about the office perks at large companies in that way, so this was very eye-opening. :)
I swear this man tells it as it is . Freaking love these videos !!!
As far as being wooed by various job environments, take a minute to think about boundaries as far as work goes. I've found that boundaries are very important in IT/CS in a lot of ways. Sometimes it takes time to figure them out, so a young person coming out of college may not even know what their boundaries are. One really important boundary I've had to learn that is necessary for ME (not everyone) is that when I am not at my desk during the work day, I am not Sparrowhawk the support tech. I am Sparrowhawk the guy who has his own shit to do. When at work and it's work time, I focus on it, I work hard, I do what I need to do, I deal with stressful shit, etc. When I'm not there, I don't think about it, I don't check email, none of it. Not for me. I'm not saying everyone should be this way but it's an example of the kind of things you need to figure out about yourself. Don't just eagerly agree to do anything for anyone no matter what just because you want to make a name for yourself--if those things end up causing you a lot of stress.
You might enjoy watching Louis. Forgot his last name, he's a CZcams channel. Just google Louis MacBook board repair micro soldering or something like that and he should come up. You'd really vibe with his core philosophies/rants. Enjoy ;)
Always enjoy watching your videos
Great Vid with great advice!
I'm 31, a theoretical physicist, I love it. the grind is something I love.
+WintersunForever can you please tell me what's the field of theoretical physics like? i'm really interested is developing our view of how the universe really works while learning what others discover. i heard about working through university politics, is that a big part of the job description? please, enlighten me on your job.
-- somewhat lost teenager
Well, for what you are specifically interested, cosmology or astrophysics would be your study of choice. As a theoretical physicist most of my time is spent creating problems that will then be solved; as a tool of information expansion.
Working through the university is usually the best way to go to tackle the big problems.
In the private sector, you'll make more money but, probably, less of an impact.
WintersunForever
can you please give me an example of a problem?
and i was thinking theoretical physics because i mean more our view of the universe than the particulars of it's parts - crazy mind bending theories that explain more than it seems they should are where it's at.
thanks for the response.
That sort of setup always made me question where the focus was for the business. This makes a lot more sense.
Keepin' it real. I love it.
Thanks for the talk.
the background is awesome!!
You hit a very good point about startup culture and how the business revolves around you being practically living there. This was talked about in forbes magazines, and what's also interesting you lose some other benefits such as 401k, bonuses, and good health insurance plus PTO.
Thank you.
As someone looking at computer science, you should be asking yourself not is it a cool and fun profession, but rather do you enjoy solving logic problems, doing algorithm analysis, and designing data structures that solve sometimes new, often mundane problems? If the answer to that is yes, then you should definitely go for it.
justus4justice nobody purposely solves problems for fun. Nobody does math for fun. Everyone normal rather watch netflix, play with friends, hang out, and play fortnight. So do you enjoy doing it? No because it's not what I want to do. The better question is whether it tolerable.
you have a way different pov my friend, you mean to tell me you don't get a slight dopamine rush when you figure out how to structure something?
DaemonPhoenix42 i mean you feel smart. But i still rather play fortnight.
+Anmol S - downloaded it, relized how popular it was getting and never played it.
@@daephx that's all I get tbh but I think that is enough, a lot of the theory and stuff can be a drag but when your code does what its meant to do and you solve the problem it makes it all worthwhile imo
Eli, are you thinking of getting a lapel mic? Or do you prefer the acoustics of you in a room?
I'm a graduate engineer in Australia and I reckon my job is kickass. I work in a small company that manufactures specialised transportation solutions, and this means I get to do a wide variety of different projects each week. But since I'm also a self-taught programmer, I also get to write software tools that make life easier for everyone else. It's a fun learning experience for me, and people love it when their tablet does all the tedious calculations automatically.
I'm looking forward to starting university in July and find that I have a lot of these questions as well. I hope that computer science students and professors are fun, enjoyable people because we all know how hard it is to program in high school. haha ehh
I'd choose between one or the other, what I'm really interested in. Dedicate your time to that one thing, every day contribute towards becoming better and in the end I bet it will reward you. My path is to study and learn as much about programming and computer science to start thinking about my own business and once that approaches I learn everything there is (actually am learning on my way there) about business and managing a business.
Hi , what happened?
Thank you
The good thing in computing is you can automate the true grind. Python & PowerShell is my friend there. But I do say this, you have to have a very spersific mind to work in this industry as otherwise it will do your head in.
Electrical engineering is a real great profession to move into, I mean with both those elements you can work on some really cool stuff like power plant control systems which is unreal.
I see a lot of jobs that say "We work with or for startup companies", so I was wondering is that the same thing as working for the startup even tho the company that's making a job offer isn't a startup?
Keep up the vids !
Eli, who good does it do having a computer science minor? Will some companies take a minor in computer science?
This video reminds me how much of a procrastinator I am when I go to my College's game room with the HDMI TVs and the Billiard tables. Thankfully, I made the decision to grow out of that, but it's still a phase I'm going through.
Hardware startups are getting easier? I'd like to hear more about that.
It's nice hearing my words from someone who does what I want to do for a living. the first time I heard about Google's awesome office I was so impressed. I still am and I would still accept a job if I got a job there, but after doing few presentations on work settings like the ones offered by Google and Facebook it hit me. if Google provides everything, even shuttles that have Internet they where people do work on the way to their work, Google probably wants me to work for them and stay in that office all the time. I know they have the whole 40 hour rules and they probably have lots of nice compensation and I still would like to work there one day but I think work settings with so much benefit probably wants your life to be their company
I disagree about a few things on this.
I've only had an internship so far, so maybe this will change later on as it might get repetitive, but I actually find coding very fun and rewarding on it's own.
And the company I was interning for was actually a startup, and it was nothing like you described. Lol. The only person who worked an excessive amount of hours was the CEO. Everyone else had pretty typical 8 hour days. They allowed everyone to essentially make their own schedule. They preferred people to come in by 11am, but there wasn't really any serious issue with coming in later as long as you put in a good amount of work.
I did choose to stay late sometimes, but that was of my own accord. I enjoyed my work.
And Thursdays were game night, so a lot of people would stay late, but there was no pressure.
And yes, there was a beer tap. Lol. I can't drink though because of liver problems. There were free snacks though, so that was nice.
Idk, maybe it's just because I'm new to the industry, but I don't see anything wrong with the work environment. Lol. It was an incredible job, and I'm hoping they end up hiring me eventually after college.
I'm going computer science but I want to become a network engineer there are some modules with networks but not like cisco based, there were courses with Cisco but that I decided to stay in my home town so is it necessary for me to learn ccna stuff?
..it may not be...but..what if it was..and you didn't have it? Too much knowledge is infinitely better than too little....things change in companies..sometimes virtually overnight...it is wise to have as much under your belt as you can get, so if those changes happen in Your place..you are prepared for it
You can't really have a backup, once you get started in some field it's going to be really hard to basically throw away everything you did until then and start from scratch. Experience is worth a whole lot more than 2 years college and is very hard to get. Go with the double degree if you for example want to solve electrical engineering problems with computer science or any way that you can synergise all that you learn, otherwise it's going to be a waste of time. Or maybe you could just learn it because you find it interesting and just want to know stuff and might find a use for it later, you never know.
If I may expand on your thought process 1.5 years after the fact:
@10:12 ...Or the hardware startup pitch that you want to raise VC funding around, grind on for a year, and then exit to Google/Tesla/GE/whoever in a massive liquidity event.
I should go crack an EE textbook.
A Lot People's Get Confused By Mixing Electrical Engineering and Electronics Engineering, Go for Electronics Engineering if You Want Build IOT Start Up
+Jimmy a Geek Why do I see you in every comment section on Eli's channel?
João Areias Do You Have Any Problem With it ?
+Jimmy a Geek Not really, kinda like your comments, is just funny how you look like Eli and comment in every video of him
Why do you capitalize the first letter of every word?
I don't agree with the fact that fun work environment is a bad thing. Lots of studies have proven that after basic needs have met to the point where an employee no longer has to worry about financial problems (ie, bills, food,etc), the quality of work from said employee does not increase with pay incentives. While in comparison having a playful and enjoyable environment can definitely increase the quality of work. I like a lot of your content, but to make a blanket statement advising to run for hills from this environment is ignorant. The most successful tech companies create fun work environments to motivate the employees to produce exceptional work. If you really care, don't take either opinion as fact, research the psychology of why big companies are introducing play into the work place.
No. I dont think you get it. Google has those things to keep their employees from literally going insane.
"Do the work you love and you'll never work a day"
imho, he means those environments that introduce such..playgrounds..have a Much Much much much higher level of stress entailed..and that Matters...a Lot. Before entering such a place You must ask Yourself if the financial gains are worth the cost to your mind & body...stress is a killer
Especially when you start a startup you really need to love what you are doing and not just be after the money and so it is in the rest of the IT world.
What hes saying about places being 'too comfortable' is a trillion-percent true when it comes to the gaming industry (and, yes- I have worked in it). The buildings tend to look like this magical wonderland of free/low cost food/drinks, entertainment and even showers(!) because they don't expect you to ever leave. Beyond this, boredom is relative. I can't stand programming anymore (complete burnout) but someone out there surely loves it. It all comes down to what you can withstand. Work is work, but it shouldnt be so bad you start having depression or anxiety like my sister did when she found out her job was inspecting 600 stool samples per day, every day in Microbiology. She told me about being reduced to tears after a while- this is too much and she wisely switched professions.
Great video :) but the sound in this video has alot of echo :(
reminds me of the lifehack company missions in gta v, lol
*LifeInvader
i was thinking of that the whole length of this video lmao
Love this Eli. I've totally worked at said ping pong startup and ended up leaving. I should have watched this video first.
Woah woah woah, i've agreed with you in every single video I have watched of yours, but as someone who is self employed, I would love to have beer on tap in my office. Hell, a ping pong ball table would be pretty cool too!
me to
I want him, omg I want him lol. Finally some honesty.
you sound like markiplier
Whoa! Like 4 minutes into this video I suddenly realized your wall is a map!
What does ari Shaffer know about cs
"There's an idea that certain professions are just an amazing party." lol
speak the truth brotha
the back round
Bet being an Adobe CC developer is more fun than being a MS Visual Studio developer.
Why do you have two channels named "Eli the Computer Guy" and "Eli the Computer Guy live"? I almost thought I had unsubscribed.
should i choose computer science or computer engineering? in todays job market
in my country the most in demand I.T. jobs are networking admin. ,software developer and web developer which course do you think i should go to?
mark angelo Garcia hh
computer science
CS is more diverse
YodaWithASoda you will learn, it ain't that bad. It makes you appreciate how computers work too
This beer loving thing has reminded me of a well spotted joke by Eric Idle: "Frankly over here we find that your American beer is a little like making love in a canoe. It's bloody close to water!"
Am I the only one who saw the orange shirt but not the collar and thought it was an orange jumpsuit?
When you started talking about foosball tables, I instantly thought about google headquarters. Keep up the good work
i guess "paid work" started like a boss saying i need that to get done hi is there anyone who would like to do this for me please , at the end he added ok am gna give you some food if you do it for me , you see there is a reason why no one accepted to do it for free , work is not fun but sure you can make it by chalenge and ambition and office affairs drama/gossip .
Im a SE. I work 14-16 hours a day. If you hate grinding and have short attention span, any computer and engineering job is not for you
14 hours??? How does your life look, and why you work such a long time?
I like what I do plus I'm a workaholic
you need to spend your time with friends, family also if your young have fun go to parties take drugs (only the legal one).
but i don't know anything about you.
....you know there are other things besides work.
anyways do what you think is better and keep it up :D
why are you telling someone what to do with their life? lmao
Justin, then thats all that matters, eh?.....im the same way. Life is Good.
HISSSSSS
If I want to be cs do I have to be good at maths?
Bieber Purpose You need to at least be capable. Your first year will probably include some mindbending mathematical stuff (you get used to it), and algorithm design will often involve a load of logic and at least some maths.
a good baseline is calculus, if u can do calculus u should be fine
Yes, we have four pure math modules in our cs degree.
Anectodal
Anecdotal
8:27 Looooooooooooool
He's a natural
4:00-5:00 ahaha ...subscribed
I almost went from computer science to acting
lol
True story
that's not as funny as the inverse.
kkknotcool well if I were trying to be funny I'd say BA (hons) in Basket Weaving or Women Studies
LMFAO
i tell you Computer Science is worse in aus then engineering
Why
Arent pretty much ALL jobs trying to enslave you? Isnt the very idea of working for someone else pretty much slavery?
No. You're getting paid for working.
If someone loves to code he does it because he loves it. I guess it all depends how you view it, if you view it as a slavery then yes for you it is. It is all about the mindset man
You can live on your own in the woods too, it's your choice...
Actually you can't because you'll get put in jail haha
Kant would say that slavery is wrong because it treats another person as a means to an end rather than an end unto him/herself. Merely hiring someone to do a job is not wrong like slavery as long as the employee is treated differently from a slave in that respect.
ok good luck I herd it is hard I'm 11 and I'm realy good I'm a child genuse
Eric Flores maybe spend less time on computers and more on syntax and words.
Eric Flores a child genuse huh...