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In my local tournaments when the tournament starts the only ones there are the out of city regs. If you start then you will start at a tougher table. If you start 30 minutes later you end up in tables with the local recreational players that are much softer.
Well, you get to see more cards when you start the tournament with the blinds being so small so that will automatically give you an edge to build your stack without losing your stack. The only disadvantage is mental fatigue. Late regs will have to wait for a hand and push all-in in hope to double up. But like this video say, you don't risk playing all day for nothing. If you gamble and double up, you're in great position to push into the money.
Yeah but you're going to get knocked out 80+% of the time regardless. Late regging did drop your ITM from 18-20% to 15%, but increased my hourly profit significantly. If you play 4 hours before registration closes, that's 16 hours wasted in the 5 tournaments you play to get 1 ITM. I'd rather find out I'm not reaching a final table in 20-30 minutes rather than over 4-5 hours. Not too mention the EV loss of being one of the less fresh and focused players at the final table. I spend the additional hours not early regging playing cash which also raises my hourly/total profit even further.
If you´re a good poker player then you would definitely want to play as much time as possible, because you as the better player will get more value the more time you commit into playing. And if you´re confident in your poker skills, then why wouldn´t you play for as much time as possible? Nothing wrong with late registration in my opinion, but it surely does decrease your chance of winning because you will see less hands and therefor see less possible value spots.
If you are a good player at all forms of stack depths late registration will not increase your ROI %, but it may increase your hourly rate in some circumstances.
Sometimes blinds are so slow and stacks are so deep that missing the first few hours hardly changes anything. It’s almost set up for only coolers and awful play
What I find annoying is you build a stack of say a hundred bb and then you end up on a table full of ten bb stacks and end up in a shit situation. When I’ve registered late usually I’ve noticed you can just double up and maybe steal a few pots and it’s not long before you’re in the money and does feel an bit wrong because there’s a lot less skill involved. You sit down short and shove with the first playable hand or situation and if you are lucky you win and are well in for a chance of a cash. If you register early and tou have to play well for a lot longer
@@26bisket But not when someone late registers. When you enter day 4 of a tournament then yes your chips are in play but as stated in the video, if you register 3 hours late at an even you get a full starting stack.
Re-buys themselves are disgraceful. A tournament is supposed to be a level playing field. That's the point. Everyone should have to start at the same time with the same stack. When you're out, you're out.
I agree. I hate re buys. People with money to burn don't care until re buy period over. They can shove with garbage and crack premium hands. So those that can't afford to re buy are in a bad position. My nearby casinos now ALL have re buys and late registration thru level 7. That's why I am thinking of going late and this video was a HUGE help.
Rebuy tourneys are awesome if you adjust how you play to exploit people donking off chips, need to have a much wider position oriented range (in my experience) to build a super stack early. Plus the more buy ins a person is in for the more the player stays on tilt (chasing the dragon so to speak) and makes poor decisions aka mistakes which can be exploited.
@@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr But with a wider range comes more variance. If the game itself has high variance - which definitely happens if everyone is prepared to re-buy 20 times - it affects you. I totally stopped playing online tournaments because I got sick of 7-8 players shoving every single hand for the first hour. That's not poker. You may as well play a slot machine at that point. Even with aces, you'll generally only have around 17% equity in a hand where 6+ players are all-in.
@@colintimp1372 Wider range ;but position is the priority. I play a ton of rebuy tourneys and have no problem getting a super stack early playing that way. Been highly profitable for me in tourneys.
honestly, it really depends. If you are an extremely skilled player who is great post flop and has the stamina to continue, you should absolutely be there at the beginning to try and rack up a stack If you dont have the stamina to do that, or are just a natural short-stack player that can navigate their way around levels and slowly build a stack and not afraid to jam according to nash charts, it can absolutely be +EV to late reg
@@andrewdoctor6584 I just feel that everyone should start at the same time, face more decisions early on, If you can't make it on time, just get blinded out or don't enter, Casinos too greedy though, I don't like when people try to manipulate things to get an edge or advantage. That is all.
it is a business my man. you pay your money and expect a return on your investment. You get paid based on your skill, these people are not here for fun, they would be at their small time casino for that.
Late reg is only a good idea for smaller tournaments imo. It gives you a higher chance to cash. Larger tournaments it's not that important unless you know you don't have the mental stamina for the long days of playing and sitting one or 2 days out will leave you mentally fresh to play the last few days. However, I've late reg several times and was blinded out due to having no good cards at all and blasting a desperate all in at the end to lose to bigger stacks. If you register early you have more chances to get good cards and make plays. Even early regs sometimes get crap cards and get blinded out so imagine on day 2 or 3 you're the small stack getting bullied by many larger stacks? Math doesn't add up. So in my opinion if it's a long tournament don't get involved unless you can play it till the end. A perfect example is Zhang or other players who lose the lead or make stupid mistakes due to mental fatigue and trying to get it over with compared to making different plays if they were well rested and more alert on the table. 🤷♂️
Its good idea if you cant play deep stack and thats what start of tournaments are. There isbt really any advantage to it, i see it all the time and sometimes people cash after buying in just before registration closes but huge majority of time they dont get anywhere near payouts. I have good example of older lady i used to play very often in local tournaments. Cant tell you how many times i was in final 3-4 players with her. For several years now she is buying in at very end of registration period and its usually after the brake that she would buy in. Field is usually cut in half by then, from 50 players starting there are around 30 left but at the same time average stack is almost double what she is starting with and some stacks are 4 times the size. She is pretty much handcuffed between real shortstacks shoving all in pre flop and big stacks she cant play a pot without committing majority of her chips. Anyway i seen her at the final table maybe once in last few years since she is buying in late and she was on 3 final tables a week when she was buying in at the beginning of the tournament. Its basically survival, waiting for monster hand or all shorter stacks to go broke before you can gamble your 10 or 15 bigs.
Agree with you 100%. If you're a highly skilled professional player who presumably is used to playing in deep-stacked cash games, you really should WANT to be there at the table playing when the tournament stacks are at their deepest and the most recreational players are likely to be there at your table!
@@gorillacypo6899 only true in turbos. How many day 2 main event players have you seen run deep since they started letting you do it? Not many if at all Also building a stack early gives you a margin of error or extra wiggle room in case a bad beat or cooler happens. You’re done if you late reg and lose a big pot that you can’t get away from
To me it's negative EV, if I have to pay the same price to start with 60k chips and the tournament average is now 80k chip stack. Of course I also don't believe in rebuying a tournament for the same reason.
Tournament average stack doesn't matter at all...if anything it should mean its +EV because that means people have busted already so your chips have increased in ICM value as the video illustrated
Late registration does need to be toned down a bit, I feel its almost stealing from people. On Wsop you will find games that will be 10-50 dollar rebuy and addons. One buy in will be 4kchips 8k for double buy in, problem is they will let late registration go when the blinds gets up to 1k or more. SO they let people buy in that are basically forced into an all in situation on the first hand they play. Which also can suck for the people who have been playing for 2 hours already. You will also see the opposite where a late buy in player with no choice ends up sucking out a huge pot and suddenly has a chip stack in range of the money. This causes a point in the game right before late regi ends where poker doesn't even get played, just becomes a shove fest.
A shove fest is part of the game. And if you think you have no choice with 8BB, then you can‘t have a clue about poker. 8BB from UTG should be open jammed about 18.4% (Nash equilibrium). 15BB you should have no open shoves till it hits the CO. And also your point makes no sense, you could be card dead till late reg ends and have 8BB even if you start at the beginning. Also it’s not unfair to other players! If you have an edge, you realise that in playing a lot of pots and avoiding coin flip all ins as good as you can. If you have an edge, and start from the first level, there is 0 disadvantedge from players late regging. You have to play against 8BB stacks eventually and just play your ICM or Nash adjusted ranges against that. No harm no foul.
@@matthiasrudigier3336 it seems you don't understand poker yourself to make such unequivocal statements. How does what you've written account for the difference in value between chips in different tournaments? 10bb in my local casino tournament has a very different meaning and value to 10bb in the Main Event at the WSOP and should therefore be played differently for optimal outcomes.
@@Tom_Bee_ That depends. If it´s the same spot, with the same ICM implications it´s played the same by the machine, no matter if there are 10Million up top or 1k. Yes the Main Event spot will make you more money, but you don´t calculate with the raw money. You calculate with the sturcture. Also 10bb in the main has a very diffrent meaning depending on the stage. But there comes a point where you have no more choice and push fold becomes the optimal play, even in the main event. And that spot is around 10-15BB.
This misses the a big advantage of late rege. For a good player the early stages may only provide a small additional edge to going deep in the tournament, whereas they can find a greater edge by skipping day 1 for their regular high stakes cash games, especially if the tourney by in is small relative to their usual games.
5:34 No dude. It is simple arithmetic. You dont need a supercomputer. You just a pocket calculator and patience to enter all the data about the remaining players chip stacks after day 1.
That what I came to say. If the other 5 have 20k and you have 10k, their chips are worth in icm is $20 while the 11th entry has 10k for $10 worth. How could he not know that and be making videos
i like ACR but i simply cannot play from the start with how long late reg is. It's 3/4 hours of late reg, 2/3 hour of bubble play, then another 2/3 hours of late stage play.
This is so dumb, people be talking about ICM and value of the stack 4 levels into 7 day long tournament. That sit&go example is so useless, if you buy in to tournament that has e players left you will usually make money, if you could buy in to final 5 of main event you would be all in 6 times automatically just because your stack is like 10% of BB. You can start bringing up ICM near the bubble not on day one of main event and thats pretty much when late registration ends i would guess
I got screwed hard by late registration in the home warming tourney…. 300K stack…. 4pm hits 3 late registration come to my table…. My AK beat by A10 50K gone My pocket 10’s beat by a flush 50K gone My KQ spades beaten by JQ off 50K gone Registration late then jamming you stack is not poker
It’s a fucking game, are you not trying to win it ? That’s like saying studying chess with engines is not chess. It can be a +EV decision to late reg, but it will never be as much EV as entering early, if you know what you are doing. You got hit by variance that’s all. Is a player who was card dead till late reg ended and then he has to jam his 10BB stack with KQs from UTG not playing poker ? If so, can you tell me exactly when he stopped playing poker ?
@@matthiasrudigier3336 the fact of the matter is …big pots in the beginning of any mtt tournament are equal to stealing blinds later in the tournament. Simply not worth playing the early levels , 50%-75% of the field evens out as the tournament progresses. Few outliers have far more than everyone else , but still very in reach. Basically you suck lol
You had 1 bad beat, 10s is questionable your at best flipping, and KQ not sure how it played out but I’m nearly certain you played it wrong. Just play better I reckon.
A number of my friends who are pros do it. But a lot don’t cause they want to get the chips from the amateurs early on before the amateurs, like me, dump them to some other pro lol
How does addon affect Icm? I see on Rebuy+addon structures. startstack and rebuy 10,000 chips, addon 20,000. How much icm advantage would you gain by late regging into the Break, just directly buying in and 1 addon for 30,000.? Is it a big difference if the field is 50players or 500players? I do understand the addon is a must. But I wonder wether it's worth registrering early to play the early levels, having to rebuy a couple of times, or if it's just better to late reg everytime into the break and take the Addon. I'd love some hard facts and numbers, opinion wise people tend to agree with Late reg+addon.
Buy in until first break, fair. Since when does a casino really care about the juice on top of a tournament buy-in, pennies. Get a thousands of gamblers to come to your casino for days, now we're talking $. Lengthen the blinds, keep us in the building longer 👍
Longer blinds = less money for the casino. Small buyins 2500 and less generally have horrific structures as they want the game to be over quicker. Bigger buyins 5ks, 10ks + will generally have heaps better blind structures due to more rake.
It's the opposite. The longer the tournament last the less they earn. A tournament has a one time interest, which is in the buy in. The faster they can get you out the better. Cash game is what you are referring to as they are raking from each pot. Earning more the longer you play. Tournaments is more an attraction to get people into your casino, it's like a "for sale" poster on your store. What casino truly earns on are what you do after the tournament. The best for them would be if you got stuck in the pit, gambling your money away on Slots. as a player, I love the longer blind structures. I don't mind short startstacks. As long as the buisness part (mid-late) is possible to maneuver. 35-40+ avg is nice.
How does it though? Like the ICM math shows like in his example with half the people gone under a 10% advantage, but if you're at all good, you reging late removes your opportunity to take chips from the worst people. If a 10% advantage is higher than the EV of your stack playing from the beginning, then you're not very good to begin with.
@@EnderSword your correct I’m not very good but I seem to place in the money 70% of the time when I do the late registration and go out around the levels 12-14 when I joint on time and get upset because I don’t cash.
@@teamginate3400 If you read that as a comment on your play instead of a general mathematical truth, then I don't even know where to begin addressing that level of misunderstanding. Literally could not possibly care less about your personal play.
WORK watch your language with those 4 letter words. Tournaments use to be great now they suck. These days most of the wsop are geared to rich people.Stick to cash games
I have the answer based on how today's poker professionals play in tournaments. Instead of using playing cards, the dealer will flip a coin. The tournament will just be one massive bracket, and everyone will advance by doing coin-flips against an opponent. At the end, the one person who never lost a flip will win the tournament. Instead of requiring 2 days, dozens of tables and dealers, etc, the whole thing will be over in a couple hours.
it should be banned. makes the tournament longer with some advantage to the late regs as stated in the video.. Other thing I'm not a fan of is more than one entry
I’d like to see second day reg banned. However, there’s too much overlap in the current WSOP. Late reg allows guys who bust out of one tourney to jump into another without having to take time off. The topic no one is talking about here, is rebuys. I’ve sat next to pros who are calculating ICM out loud. They look down their small stack and pump it into the pot? Why? Because their rebuy gives them a larger stack and ICM than getting a great hand with no chance of maximizing return. Yeah.. I’m sick of sitting/playing in tournaments only to watch endless rebuys and bad coin flips .
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Great INFO. Huge help to me!
I prefer to be there when the tournament starts, because all the bad players are still in the tournament. Like me. :)
In my local tournaments when the tournament starts the only ones there are the out of city regs. If you start then you will start at a tougher table. If you start 30 minutes later you end up in tables with the local recreational players that are much softer.
Well, you get to see more cards when you start the tournament with the blinds being so small so that will automatically give you an edge to build your stack without losing your stack. The only disadvantage is mental fatigue. Late regs will have to wait for a hand and push all-in in hope to double up. But like this video say, you don't risk playing all day for nothing. If you gamble and double up, you're in great position to push into the money.
Yeah but you're going to get knocked out 80+% of the time regardless. Late regging did drop your ITM from 18-20% to 15%, but increased my hourly profit significantly.
If you play 4 hours before registration closes, that's 16 hours wasted in the 5 tournaments you play to get 1 ITM. I'd rather find out I'm not reaching a final table in 20-30 minutes rather than over 4-5 hours.
Not too mention the EV loss of being one of the less fresh and focused players at the final table.
I spend the additional hours not early regging playing cash which also raises my hourly/total profit even further.
I remember when you had only 30 min late reg and they would blind your stack out
Lol. That was only like 4 years ago
I actually forgot all about that
No late registration after the first trimester. That will solve all the issues.
🤣😂🤣😂
no late registration and no rebuy and no online addon will solve everything
It's still a poker tournament during the first trimester :(
If you´re a good poker player then you would definitely want to play as much time as possible, because you as the better player will get more value the more time you commit into playing. And if you´re confident in your poker skills, then why wouldn´t you play for as much time as possible? Nothing wrong with late registration in my opinion, but it surely does decrease your chance of winning because you will see less hands and therefor see less possible value spots.
If you are a good player at all forms of stack depths late registration will not increase your ROI %, but it may increase your hourly rate in some circumstances.
nobody ever mentions that because of late regs it gives people the option to re-enter the tournament thus making the pot larger
Sometimes blinds are so slow and stacks are so deep that missing the first few hours hardly changes anything. It’s almost set up for only coolers and awful play
What I find annoying is you build a stack of say a hundred bb and then you end up on a table full of ten bb stacks and end up in a shit situation.
When I’ve registered late usually I’ve noticed you can just double up and maybe steal a few pots and it’s not long before you’re in the money and does feel an bit wrong because there’s a lot less skill involved.
You sit down short and shove with the first playable hand or situation and if you are lucky you win and are well in for a chance of a cash.
If you register early and tou have to play well for a lot longer
I think late regging is +EV, but only if a small number of people do it.
If everyone starts late regging, then any EV edge you get is erased.
How is it plus ev when a bunch of the dead money starts on time?
@@26bisket Their chips are not in play as long as they don't sit in...
@@jmbd1593 it’s pretty common for dead money to sit early, they like the entertainment factor
@@26bisket But not when someone late registers. When you enter day 4 of a tournament then yes your chips are in play but as stated in the video, if you register 3 hours late at an even you get a full starting stack.
@@jmbd1593 yeah a stack that’s less big blinds and less dead money around when you finally start playing
Re-buys themselves are disgraceful. A tournament is supposed to be a level playing field. That's the point. Everyone should have to start at the same time with the same stack. When you're out, you're out.
I agree. I hate re buys. People with money to burn don't care until re buy period over. They can shove with garbage and crack premium hands. So those that can't afford to re buy are in a bad position. My nearby casinos now ALL have re buys and late registration thru level 7. That's why I am thinking of going late and this video was a HUGE help.
Rebuy tourneys are awesome if you adjust how you play to exploit people donking off chips, need to have a much wider position oriented range (in my experience) to build a super stack early. Plus the more buy ins a person is in for the more the player stays on tilt (chasing the dragon so to speak) and makes poor decisions aka mistakes which can be exploited.
@@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr But with a wider range comes more variance. If the game itself has high variance - which definitely happens if everyone is prepared to re-buy 20 times - it affects you. I totally stopped playing online tournaments because I got sick of 7-8 players shoving every single hand for the first hour. That's not poker. You may as well play a slot machine at that point. Even with aces, you'll generally only have around 17% equity in a hand where 6+ players are all-in.
@@colintimp1372 Wider range ;but position is the priority. I play a ton of rebuy tourneys and have no problem getting a super stack early playing that way. Been highly profitable for me in tourneys.
@@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr Position only matters when there's post-flop play though.
Poker bounty and finding equilibrium are for sure the best poker channels on YT. great information!!
I appreciate that!
honestly, it really depends.
If you are an extremely skilled player who is great post flop and has the stamina to continue, you should absolutely be there at the beginning to try and rack up a stack
If you dont have the stamina to do that, or are just a natural short-stack player that can navigate their way around levels and slowly build a stack and not afraid to jam according to nash charts, it can absolutely be +EV to late reg
I agree with Matusow. Ruins the integrity of the game, as everyone is trying to treat this as a business.
Why do you feel that way ?
@@andrewdoctor6584 I just feel that everyone should start at the same time, face more decisions early on, If you can't make it on time, just get blinded out or don't enter, Casinos too greedy though, I don't like when people try to manipulate things to get an edge or advantage. That is all.
It essentially is a business, you are investing money to potentially get a return. You'd be dumb not to take any allowed advantage to secure a return.
@@kinghenry4124 yes that’s true. But their pint is that it shouldn’t be allowed.
it is a business my man. you pay your money and expect a return on your investment. You get paid based on your skill, these people are not here for fun, they would be at their small time casino for that.
There is An advantage to buyin deep stackt or at 12.5bb or less, u got all tools deep and no open folds buying in around 10bb
They have to get rid of these crazy late reg after the first break every tournament registration should be over
I fully agree. It used to be like that
Late reg is only a good idea for smaller tournaments imo. It gives you a higher chance to cash. Larger tournaments it's not that important unless you know you don't have the mental stamina for the long days of playing and sitting one or 2 days out will leave you mentally fresh to play the last few days. However, I've late reg several times and was blinded out due to having no good cards at all and blasting a desperate all in at the end to lose to bigger stacks. If you register early you have more chances to get good cards and make plays. Even early regs sometimes get crap cards and get blinded out so imagine on day 2 or 3 you're the small stack getting bullied by many larger stacks? Math doesn't add up. So in my opinion if it's a long tournament don't get involved unless you can play it till the end. A perfect example is Zhang or other players who lose the lead or make stupid mistakes due to mental fatigue and trying to get it over with compared to making different plays if they were well rested and more alert on the table. 🤷♂️
Its good idea if you cant play deep stack and thats what start of tournaments are. There isbt really any advantage to it, i see it all the time and sometimes people cash after buying in just before registration closes but huge majority of time they dont get anywhere near payouts. I have good example of older lady i used to play very often in local tournaments. Cant tell you how many times i was in final 3-4 players with her. For several years now she is buying in at very end of registration period and its usually after the brake that she would buy in. Field is usually cut in half by then, from 50 players starting there are around 30 left but at the same time average stack is almost double what she is starting with and some stacks are 4 times the size. She is pretty much handcuffed between real shortstacks shoving all in pre flop and big stacks she cant play a pot without committing majority of her chips. Anyway i seen her at the final table maybe once in last few years since she is buying in late and she was on 3 final tables a week when she was buying in at the beginning of the tournament. Its basically survival, waiting for monster hand or all shorter stacks to go broke before you can gamble your 10 or 15 bigs.
I hate rebuy tourneys even though it’s a bigger prize pool
What I don't like are the Late Reg ReEntry format.
I would rather start early and build my chip stack up early.
Agree with you 100%. If you're a highly skilled professional player who presumably is used to playing in deep-stacked cash games, you really should WANT to be there at the table playing when the tournament stacks are at their deepest and the most recreational players are likely to be there at your table!
“Building ur stack” is equal to stealing a few blinds in the later levels. First 4 levels of any MTT are nonsense
@@gorillacypo6899 only true in turbos. How many day 2 main event players have you seen run deep since they started letting you do it? Not many if at all
Also building a stack early gives you a margin of error or extra wiggle room in case a bad beat or cooler happens. You’re done if you late reg and lose a big pot that you can’t get away from
@@26bisket I’m not saying buy in day 2. Way too late . All I said was the first few levels are nonsense
@@gorillacypo6899 they are not nonsense in a deep stack tourney
4:52 Ed sheeran with the "joker and the queen" on the "river" ...
I used to almost always late reg because I was good at short stack play.
To me it's negative EV, if I have to pay the same price to start with 60k chips and the tournament average is now 80k chip stack. Of course I also don't believe in rebuying a tournament for the same reason.
Agreed. I don’t ever rebuy unless I get knocked out very early within the first 3 levels.
Tournament average stack doesn't matter at all...if anything it should mean its +EV because that means people have busted already so your chips have increased in ICM value as the video illustrated
For people like helmuth who specialize in short stacked play, it's definitely plus EV
Late registration does need to be toned down a bit, I feel its almost stealing from people. On Wsop you will find games that will be 10-50 dollar rebuy and addons. One buy in will be 4kchips 8k for double buy in, problem is they will let late registration go when the blinds gets up to 1k or more. SO they let people buy in that are basically forced into an all in situation on the first hand they play. Which also can suck for the people who have been playing for 2 hours already. You will also see the opposite where a late buy in player with no choice ends up sucking out a huge pot and suddenly has a chip stack in range of the money. This causes a point in the game right before late regi ends where poker doesn't even get played, just becomes a shove fest.
A shove fest is part of the game. And if you think you have no choice with 8BB, then you can‘t have a clue about poker.
8BB from UTG should be open jammed about 18.4% (Nash equilibrium).
15BB you should have no open shoves till it hits the CO.
And also your point makes no sense, you could be card dead till late reg ends and have 8BB even if you start at the beginning.
Also it’s not unfair to other players! If you have an edge, you realise that in playing a lot of pots and avoiding coin flip all ins as good as you can. If you have an edge, and start from the first level, there is 0 disadvantedge from players late regging. You have to play against 8BB stacks eventually and just play your ICM or Nash adjusted ranges against that. No harm no foul.
It's already a shove-fest, regardless. Tournaments have become less about playing poker and more about who wins the most flips.
@@matthiasrudigier3336 8 BBs? How about guys like Rampage who start shoving from anywhere at 12 or 15?
@@matthiasrudigier3336 it seems you don't understand poker yourself to make such unequivocal statements. How does what you've written account for the difference in value between chips in different tournaments? 10bb in my local casino tournament has a very different meaning and value to 10bb in the Main Event at the WSOP and should therefore be played differently for optimal outcomes.
@@Tom_Bee_ That depends. If it´s the same spot, with the same ICM implications it´s played the same by the machine, no matter if there are 10Million up top or 1k. Yes the Main Event spot will make you more money, but you don´t calculate with the raw money. You calculate with the sturcture. Also 10bb in the main has a very diffrent meaning depending on the stage. But there comes a point where you have no more choice and push fold becomes the optimal play, even in the main event. And that spot is around 10-15BB.
Real poker is freezout! no late reg no bs. period
I understand why they’re done, but I hate late reg.
My back likes late reg.
This misses the a big advantage of late rege. For a good player the early stages may only provide a small additional edge to going deep in the tournament, whereas they can find a greater edge by skipping day 1 for their regular high stakes cash games, especially if the tourney by in is small relative to their usual games.
Should be late registration for 3-4 hours but that should be it.
I hate when the late reg is like 4 hours
Cool tip that I never thought of before. Do you have any other videos with simple tips like this to get an edge?
Put chips in play after first level
5:34 No dude. It is simple arithmetic. You dont need a supercomputer. You just a pocket calculator and patience to enter all the data about the remaining players chip stacks after day 1.
That what I came to say. If the other 5 have 20k and you have 10k, their chips are worth in icm is $20 while the 11th entry has 10k for $10 worth.
How could he not know that and be making videos
America's cardroom is practically late reg till final table
i like ACR but i simply cannot play from the start with how long late reg is. It's 3/4 hours of late reg, 2/3 hour of bubble play, then another 2/3 hours of late stage play.
This is so dumb, people be talking about ICM and value of the stack 4 levels into 7 day long tournament. That sit&go example is so useless, if you buy in to tournament that has e players left you will usually make money, if you could buy in to final 5 of main event you would be all in 6 times automatically just because your stack is like 10% of BB. You can start bringing up ICM near the bubble not on day one of main event and thats pretty much when late registration ends i would guess
I got screwed hard by late registration in the home warming tourney….
300K stack…. 4pm hits 3 late registration come to my table…. My AK beat by A10 50K gone
My pocket 10’s beat by a flush 50K gone
My KQ spades beaten by JQ off 50K gone
Registration late then jamming you stack is not poker
Not true. First 4-5 levels are nonsense
It’s a fucking game, are you not trying to win it ?
That’s like saying studying chess with engines is not chess.
It can be a +EV decision to late reg, but it will never be as much EV as entering early, if you know what you are doing. You got hit by variance that’s all.
Is a player who was card dead till late reg ended and then he has to jam his 10BB stack with KQs from UTG not playing poker ?
If so, can you tell me exactly when he stopped playing poker ?
@@matthiasrudigier3336 the fact of the matter is …big pots in the beginning of any mtt tournament are equal to stealing blinds later in the tournament. Simply not worth playing the early levels , 50%-75% of the field evens out as the tournament progresses. Few outliers have far more than everyone else , but still very in reach. Basically you suck lol
You had 1 bad beat, 10s is questionable your at best flipping, and KQ not sure how it played out but I’m nearly certain you played it wrong. Just play better I reckon.
Not good re; the $100 purpose. Do U expect it all for free?
Starting with under average chip stack is not ideal strategy; although many finish strong anyways.
A number of my friends who are pros do it. But a lot don’t cause they want to get the chips from the amateurs early on before the amateurs, like me, dump them to some other pro lol
That’s why negreneau never use to do it I heard him say
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How does addon affect Icm?
I see on Rebuy+addon structures. startstack and rebuy 10,000 chips, addon 20,000.
How much icm advantage would you gain by late regging into the Break, just directly buying in and 1 addon for 30,000.? Is it a big difference if the field is 50players or 500players?
I do understand the addon is a must. But I wonder wether it's worth registrering early to play the early levels, having to rebuy a couple of times, or if it's just better to late reg everytime into the break and take the Addon. I'd love some hard facts and numbers, opinion wise people tend to agree with Late reg+addon.
Buy in until first break, fair. Since when does a casino really care about the juice on top of a tournament buy-in, pennies. Get a thousands of gamblers to come to your casino for days, now we're talking $. Lengthen the blinds, keep us in the building longer 👍
Longer blinds = less money for the casino. Small buyins 2500 and less generally have horrific structures as they want the game to be over quicker. Bigger buyins 5ks, 10ks + will generally have heaps better blind structures due to more rake.
It's the opposite. The longer the tournament last the less they earn. A tournament has a one time interest, which is in the buy in. The faster they can get you out the better.
Cash game is what you are referring to as they are raking from each pot. Earning more the longer you play.
Tournaments is more an attraction to get people into your casino, it's like a "for sale" poster on your store. What casino truly earns on are what you do after the tournament.
The best for them would be if you got stuck in the pit, gambling your money away on Slots.
as a player, I love the longer blind structures. I don't mind short startstacks. As long as the buisness part (mid-late) is possible to maneuver. 35-40+ avg is nice.
I try to always do the late registration. It does give you a slight edge.
How does it though?
Like the ICM math shows like in his example with half the people gone under a 10% advantage, but if you're at all good, you reging late removes your opportunity to take chips from the worst people.
If a 10% advantage is higher than the EV of your stack playing from the beginning, then you're not very good to begin with.
@@EnderSword your correct I’m not very good but I seem to place in the money 70% of the time when I do the late registration and go out around the levels 12-14 when I joint on time and get upset because I don’t cash.
@@EnderSword thanks for your opinion of my play. Wish you well in life.
@@teamginate3400 If you read that as a comment on your play instead of a general mathematical truth, then I don't even know where to begin addressing that level of misunderstanding.
Literally could not possibly care less about your personal play.
@@EnderSword sounds great take care.
Mo Money Mo Money Mo Money! That's why
There is no skills to Poker! If it was you would not hear players thing you got lucky and I was unlucky
You need to have supercomputer to do simple math, knowing how many people left on day 2 of the Main Event? Lol
Is this the biggest disgrace really?
Takeaways: 1 Doyle Brunson and Phil Hellmuth are some of the best ever.
2 There's little if any advantage to late registration.
tl;dw it's up to you ☺️
WORK watch your language with those 4 letter words. Tournaments use to be great now they suck. These days most of the wsop are geared to rich people.Stick to cash games
I have better results regging very last
His cadence is unfortunately annoying
There’s always been cheating in poker and they’re always will be when money is involved.
Because D-Gens can't be on time!
obvious points, not very helpful
I have the answer based on how today's poker professionals play in tournaments. Instead of using playing cards, the dealer will flip a coin. The tournament will just be one massive bracket, and everyone will advance by doing coin-flips against an opponent. At the end, the one person who never lost a flip will win the tournament. Instead of requiring 2 days, dozens of tables and dealers, etc, the whole thing will be over in a couple hours.
Clueless.
@@killed_bya_bot7775 You don't think that modern MTTs with late reg are just a shovefest?
@@gregoryschmidt1233 most of them just have shit structures, but that’s what the people want. They want 1 days play and have a winner. Turbo events.
@@killed_bya_bot7775 Fair point.
This guys voice is like nails on a chalk board.
Late reg is a joke..
Why you say that
it should be banned. makes the tournament longer with some advantage to the late regs as stated in the video.. Other thing I'm not a fan of is more than one entry
@@infinity697 IT SHOULD be max 1 hour late Reg or 30 min., late reg is to inflate the pool prize.
I’d like to see second day reg banned. However, there’s too much overlap in the current WSOP. Late reg allows guys who bust out of one tourney to jump into another without having to take time off. The topic no one is talking about here, is rebuys. I’ve sat next to pros who are calculating ICM out loud. They look down their small stack and pump it into the pot? Why? Because their rebuy gives them a larger stack and ICM than getting a great hand with no chance of maximizing return. Yeah.. I’m sick of sitting/playing in tournaments only to watch endless rebuys and bad coin flips .
@@gabrielciuclaru5086 that would be great