F1 V10 - WHICH IS BEST ?
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A rare glimpse under the skin of the loudest and most obnoxious sounding F1 cars of all time - Formula One V10. Also... some gossip on the tech trade secret keeping Max Verstappen in the winner's circle... (besides awesome driving)
As a racing driver F1 has always been the pinnacle of motorsport and although I never achieved that goal (there's still time) I can thank you guys for the opportunity to drive these beasts on CZcams.
The folks are TDF are up for letting me loose in one of their cars and I've convinced them to let the audience decide so please vote in the comments and we'll survey them with Top Gear levels of science to determine which F1 car we'll be taking on track.
There are some real beauties in the TDF collection, not least their own creation which they've engineered to have more durability and far lower running costs - which means that we'll get to see more of the historic cars in action than ever before.
Let me know which car/s you want to see in action and we'll bring it on :)
1 - 1995 Jordan
2 - 1998 Williams FW20
3 - 1998 Minardi M198
4 - 1999 BAR 001
5 - 2001 BAR 003
6 - 2004 BAR 006
7 - 2011 Marussia - now TDF/One
Thank you TDF for this awesome opportunity and for sharing so many insights on F1: tdf.co.uk
Thanks to Car Vertical for supporting my channel
Thank you for voting !
Happy New Year :) - Auta a dopravní prostředky
If the Stig wants to drive Jacques Villeneuve's car, then I say the Stig ought to drive Jacques Villeneuve's car.
Totes amigo
1000%!
5x times cheaper to come to brazil do a race against rubens on acelerados ❤ any car you choose❤❤@@BenCollinsDrives@Acelerados
I only just realised this guy was the stig.... My childhood has just returned. I thought i regonised him.
I think it's pretty obvious that this is Ben's choice, so that has to be the viewers choice as well. We will get such an excited experience from him.
Absolutely awesome. Love the whole idea of the TDF programme. Huge respect for James's knowledge of the old F1 cars, and the ability of the whole team to restore and reverse engineer these complex machines where necessary 👍
Yes what a job - no two cars the same !!
The best era in f1 motorsport was the late 90s early 2000s and the v10 monsters musical symphony, just seeing these cars back on track would be immense, drive your hero car Ben
Would love to see you drive the 1995 Jordan, especially as it has a period correct engine. Great video Ben.
The V10 2004 BAR for sure! For me one of the most beatiful F1 cars ever! Nice content as always, from Brasil.
Also one of the best sounding, it was also slightly louder than the rest of the field from what I remember hearing them say back at Silverstone that year.
@@blairmcconachie Indeed! What a car.
Its a beauty - thank you
They need to bring the V10s back! It’s the sound that made me fall in love with F1.
I go every year to the Imola circuit visit the Historic f1 days f1cars from 70s 80s 90s it is fantastic
Great episode... fantastic to see these 'old' things being used. Love what TDF are doing (they are close to me too) I would say the Minardi, but I know you want to drive the Williams... so the Williams is my vote!
I want to drive all of them! That Jordan was tiny but i’d take the pain all day long for a lap in it
Have to say the 1995 Jordan. In my opinion, no era of F1 is perfect, but for me 1994-1997 was overall the closest to perfection for technical regulations; track width wide enough for the cars to still mostly rely on mechanical grip, but not so wide overtaking becomes overly difficult. Short enough wheelbase for the cars to be highly reactive. Driver aids banned aside from sequential paddle shifters. Slick tyres. Engine wise virtually limitless within the displacement limit as long as it was naturally aspirated. Some teams had full manual steering racks, albeit because they were backmarkers. The cars 1995 onwards were very safe sans HANS device without being severely overweight coddleboxes as 2018-present.
I know times change, but I hope F1 one day goes back to a similar ballpark wheelbase and track width as that 1993-1997 era, bans or significantly reduces power steering assistance, and instead of pushing for the hybrid assistance to reach 50% of the total powertrain power like the FIA wants for 2026, push for development to aim for increased power-to-weight density from the hybrid assistance by imposing tight weight limits on the hybrid components. F1 cars shouldn't weigh above the high-600kg range imo. They're already on the right path with cleaner aero. If we can't have V10's and V12's again, at least let us have cars which dart around with drivers having to earn their millions getting a workout from steering wheels ripping their arms all over the place. That's exciting to watch.
Seeing as none of these historic F1 cars are truly period correct anyway, I would love to see a final-spec 3.0 V10 20k screamer with some modern-day improvements mated to one of the early 3.5 era wideboy H-pattern cars.
JV explained his unique wheel paddle setup in one issue of F1 Racing magazine back in 2000 or 2001. It was to do with de-cluttering the clutch paddle-side so he can perform better starts. It also saved a few grams of weight. He also preferred a long-ish throttle pedal travel so he could better control the torque demand
With him on the throttle but the gearing … yuk.. good idea for weight saving & interesting info thanks
@@BenCollinsDrives Jacques Villeneuve was one of the best starters on the grid so it must have worked. Every race he would gain lots of places on the start.
The Honda Bar would be my 1st pick! BTW, I've been a fan of yours before I knew your name like a few people haha! I name is just a name and for me it was your driving style and the way you attacked corners and utilized weight transfers in particular that made me a fan, your style was very understandable and intuitive to me because I guess, it was similar to mine which is rare in my small group of driving friends circle. Anyways loved that you decided to utilize the social media outlet like CZcams because we all wouldn't still get to see and learn more about you and your passions. And, notice only gave what would be my 1st choice? Its my driving/racing philosophy, which happens to be the same logic I use to navigate my life in general and that is that its all has become instinctual and intuitive, which deals with being very decisive, committing for better or worst, taking into account risk and reward and the particular variables involved at the current moment - I could go into more detail but as comments go, I know its already to lengthy. So I'd pick the Honda Bar and everything else would just be whatever they decide, because in the end, I'd be super appreciative that I got to drive an F1 car, period! Cheers Ben, and looking forward to all your future content!
Got to be Buttons V10 for many reasons. , great detailed interview too guys , car history like this needs preserving for future generations ❤
Ben just go steady on the clutch if u take one of these out , that silver supra you drove of Mr Broadbents had clutch failure when Danny took it out just after you 😂.
Has to be the Jordan. The last of the pre yellow / gold Jordans. Plus it has the original engine.
The Jordan! But the Brawn is a close second.
#3 Jordan Peugeot, please. I understand your feelings for #1, but the Jordan is more original and from a cool underdog team 😊
This episode was great. Such fun. Thanks Stiggy
3. The jordan, due to it being more original than the other cars and more representative of what it would be like in the day, that would be the car I'd like to drive. If the Williams or the newer BAR had all their original running gear they would top my list.
I still remember Adrian Reynard claiming that BAR would be on pole for, and win their first race in what would have to be one of the most spectacular examples of mixing up one's abilities and ambitions.
I'm really looking forward to watching whatever you drive.
1995 Jordon, and hopefully get Eddie Jordon on board also 🙏🏻
Ben's understanding of the machines, drivers and history makes him the best presenter in the world for performance cars and race cars for mine. He knows more than me and I work for a renowned performance shop with a lifelong passion for motosport. Hats off man. Awesome episode. And James is an engineering stig! ❤
James was great and learned a lot from him - what was your pick ??
@@BenCollinsDrives Villeneuve's overserteering 98 Williams. Drool. 🤤
The 2004 BAR is one of the fastest cars in the world, hope you can drive buttons car!
Heavily modified yes, on track, of the era it was the BMW Williams. The most powerful car of the era, and the McLaren MP4-20 which was less than 30 km/h slower than the Honda, but it did it on track, in race spec.
Amazing video ... Brings back great memories seeing all them great V10's again. Thank you Ben for bringing it to us , it's definitely something I'd never get to see in my lifetime.
It has to be team Jordan for me 🇮🇪, Eddie Jordan was punching well above his weight for such a small team. Had some great driver's as well, including one Eddie Irvine who famously got a punch from Senna, in the 93 season I think. I think Eddie Jordan would definitely be a stig fan 😂.
I vote for the Peugeot!
IF I had to choose... I think 5, but if you'd rather go classic, I'd go 2! since they're both awesome pieces of kit!
(Also, phenomenal video Mr Collins!, seriously, high-quality deep dives on old F1 engineering is too scarce, and I'm soo happy we get to see so many different cars/lil throwbacks to them in their heydays!)
1 - 1995 Jordan
I would love to see a early 90's minardi though with the Lambo V12 if they can dig one up
#2 Ben. And James, who better than Ben to do some shake down laps?! Ben has proven that he can drive anything and everything. I learned a ton on this episode👍
Totes!
Fantastic video would love to visit that place, The 1995 Jordan is the standout for me. The 1999 BAR would be second as they both in original condition. I think that particular 95 Jordan chassis took 2nd place at Canada.
Great episode. Probably 1, but only Ben knows what's best for him. I started watching F1 around 98/99 with my mother when I was 9/10. A great time to discover motor racing, then I read Dr. Sid Watkin's book and started playing Gran Turismo 2, F1 99 and Driver 2, and Ace Combat 3. Discovered I had rare and unusual piloting skills, que the fun 🙂. I hope Ben gets to drive those cars, would be great.
It's only fair for you to drive Ruben's car and break every one of his lap records.
This was really fun to see the old war horses. People seem to love the V10 period, but my favorite period was when Williams had the 1.5 L Honda turbos. Amazing! Thanks 🎸🔪
7:20 I think the reason for Jacques Villeneuve same side shifting paddles probably came from his Indycar experience where they had the sequential manual stick shift.
Yes indeed.
Glad places like this exist. Normally old F1 cars get stuck in a house somewhere and never drive again. At least here they'll actually be able to do what they were designed to do. Plus they're straight up manufacturing new parts, which is awesome. Reminds me of how vintage 60s racers are kept maintained. Just imagine old GT1 cars and stuff having companies produce parts or straight up repairing a crashed car. One day they could probably make a complete replica.
This was an absolute gem of a video. Love the videography as well. Thank you for producing such great content. Keep it up!
Absolutely fantastic video. Lots of interesting facts around the cars within the building. Having done Bedford Aerodrome track multiple times it’s nice knowing what’s inside the “ TDF “ building.
Looking forward to seeing the onboard videos 🏁🤘🏻
Love your videos on old racing cars. Thanks for another great one. 🏆👍
I would take the Jordan, it's the one that is most original...and I didn't know they destroyed gearbox and engines?
Gotta be the Honda engine! But would love to see the Jordan out as one of the prettiest F1 cars ever
13:25: The 1994 Benetton did indeed have launch control. On a podcast with Scott Mansell, Willam Toet admitted it was real, as well as explained how it worked and why it was still legal within the regulations at the time
Magnificent video. TDF are doing a wonderful job on those cars. Looking forward to seeing you drive one of them.
So much information, such high production quality. Ben & the Team, you've outdone yourselves again.
Brilliant stuff indeed! what an awesome tour u ve got Ben. really interesting to watch.. go for nr 2 ..can t wait .. V10 18000RPM🚀🚀🚀
Beautiful video Ben. Love it. More of this is definitely welcome :)
Jordan - it has its original Puegeot powerpack....
Some of the videos that didnt do the numbers i still loved especially the restoration stuff so please don't stop them. Happy new year harry and family
Amazing video Ben, I loved every second of the content looking forward to the followup.
Such an awesome video with so much knowledge between these 4 ears, thanks for all the insight into these incredible cars Gents!
Great informative entertaining video, thank you.
Stig on a Sunday evening feels familiar.
Drive whichever you can and prefer, my vote would go to Jensen’s now cosworth powered Honda, screaming v10 IS the sound of F1, please let us hear it with you at the wheel
8:00: all rally padleshifts function like that... just one padle, push for going down a gear, pull to upchange
Great channel Ben
Happy new year from Denmark 🎉
Ok you should go on acelerados run in theres circuit😊❤
Brilliant, as a hands on engineer, this would of been my dream job working on these when I was younger
Fantastic video and TDF know their stuff, fascinating content, thank you
We can see how much you’d love to take Jacque Villeneuve’s car out on track, so definitely that’s the one you should use! But I’d love to see how one of their own cars compares? Obviously the V10 engine is the ultimate but let’s see how the 1.8 VW compares 👍
Nice 1, Ben! Another top-notch video from yourself.
I would love to see you drive the #1 1995 jordan
Your best vid to date. TDF - I believe my friend and I had a long chat with them at the Silverstone Classic, all about the Force India car. Amazing. My choice is the J Villenueve car but it would also be great to see the TDF car being Stiged.
Very cool. Didn't expect to watch the whole video but the discussion was just too cool. Would love to see Ben drive one of these next year. Really neat program, this TDF program, and the dude here James Densley was very interesting.
The McLaren MP4-20 of 2005. You'd be lucky to manage a lap before an engine or hydraulic failure though
Very cool video ( again ) from Ben. Just one tiny thing; I loved the sound of the V10's from this period with a passion, but the era before ( 3.5 litres ) had the loudest noise I reckon. I first saw F1 in 91' at Silverstone. When they came past me on hangar straight, there was a huge wall of noise that just blew me away - a nice way to be introduced to F1 I still think 😅
That whole era, the 90s through to the very early 2000's. Also TDF, doing the F1 Lord's work.
Great video, I love the guy nearly said “affordable” but then choked on his words.
In fact, the 2002 and 2004 cars are still the fastest in F1 history! The F2002 and F2004 Ferraris using modern slick tires in Ferrari events, with semi-professional drivers, set faster times than current F1 cars with a huge advantage!! Another ex two or three years ago Montoya in BMW was almost 6s faster in Holland than modern cars even using a car with less than 85% of power just using modern tires! The FIA, as always, banned the publication of times! In Monza with a modern slick, the F2002 is more than 10s faster than the track record!
Nice vid.. Even recognised some hydraulic and gearbox parts from my time at BAR...
I appreciate the engineering in the modern V6T's, but I am literally the V10 Generation and so this is as cool as it gets, I'd be giddy as heck wandering around there. TDF sound like they get to do some proper serious engineering, what an awesome company. I'm with James; Minardi were my team. Incredible tenacity, had a keen eye for talent, the definition of sportsmanship both on and off the track and celebrated any points like it was a championship win.
Button's '04 BAR 006 would be my vote; nearly won a championship, all original F1 components, it's as close to the real deal as it gets outside of the actual teams/manufacturers.
If you want the authentic experience, probably the 1995 Jordan with the correct V10 Peugeot engine. If nostalgia is desired, 1998 Williams crashed by J. Villeneuve. The 2004 BAR car would be good, but it's missing the Honda V10.
Please take the 1995 Jordan for a spin, love the every sponsor under the sun Jordan liverys of the early 90s!
What an incredible insight and video. This channel is amazing. Id say you need to drive Buttons car. The fastest f1 car. But Villeneuve's car is also iconic and has history to respect and be drawn to.
I heard Gille Villeneuve had used the same configuration for the flappy paddles when he tested the original semi-automatic gearbox in the early 1980s, would be a cool nod to that if that's why Jacques ran it that way
Paddles in the 1980’s ? I dont think so
My mistake sorry, I believe it was a 1979 car that had been tested with an early version of the system@@BenCollinsDrives
That was sensational. I vote for you in the Winfield Williams Villeneuve car. First time I've come across your channel Ben. Love it!!!!
Fantastic video thank you! Would love more like this! Would be interesting to find out exactly why they went for a modified version of the 1.8T engine when they had the choice I'm guessing of anything they wanted? Is there something about the 1.8T that makes them particularly suited for it? Thank you 👌😀
Please more videos like this, having a behind the scenes into some old F1 cars was amazing!! I think some interviews with some more ex F1 engineers would be awesome content as well. Thank you so much for the content!! Drive the Williams please!!!
Also thanks to TDF for adding another thing to my bucket list if I ever become a millionaire.
Wow great video really interesting 👍👍
I just can't express how great is my respect to people who do their absolute best to preserve old technology for next generations in running order. And I don't care if it's coffee machines, game consoles, steam engines, diesel tractors, old BMWs, golden era japanese motorbikes from 70s, 1950s fighter jet or F1 car.
You could have gone round again and I would have continued watching, great video, thank you !!
As an F1 fan, i mean a true f1 fan and not one of those modern peeps that watches the netflix f1 nonsense, this is the content you're really frothing about. Could watch someone getting into the details of F1 cars, especially of the golden era (V10 era), for hours on end. Just so interesting.
Absolutely love the content Ben. Keeping my fingers crossed for you, and also a bit for myself to be perfectly honest with you, that you're getting in one of these! I'd love to see it. Which one i don't care much to be fair but preferably one with a V10 of course.
The V10 Era cars had such soul. The cigarette advertising really helped with the team budgets, multiple cars per driver, no engine cap etc.
Ben your channel is my favorite. Everyone that knows you, respect you. You are a class act and a legend in your own right. Thank you for all the great videos. Happy new year
This was enthralling, so much information to process. V10 era is sorely missed.
2. BAR-Honda 006. The forgotten, best of the rest car from 2004 season dominated by the Ferrari F2004.
Interesting to hear the comment about whether the 1994 Benetton had traction control. I listened to a podcast recently with Willem Toet who worked for Benetton in 1994 and he said they had it. He explained the way they did it and why it was legal. It probably wasn’t as refined as previous systems but it was still better than nothing. They kept quiet about it because if they explained what they had and why it was legal, it would have been copied or banned. The podcast is called Material Evolution and it was in December 2021. It was really amazing to hear him admit it because everyone else in the team has denied it for the last 30 years!
Pretty cool to see that FW20. I’ve sat in that a few times and still have part of its front wing. For some reason it was sat underneath the Wind Tunnel at Williams for a while. I used to wander down there taking a break and sit quietly in it with a cup of tea in the evenings.
Great to give us all a chance to see these cars and the TDF project,let us hope you will get some nice shakedowns in the near future.
I always love the BAR Honda livery(6). I love the red, the gold, white. The lot
I would love to see that car back on track
Fascinating stuff truly is astonishing some of the work and ideas that go into these machines. Oh and James you best let him out in one! lol Common man be a legend James!
Don't watch F1 anymore, but this was a good watch, thanks! Drive that BAR.
Great episode, we need more of this
Let Ben drive the F1 car please sir?
Great episode Ben Completely engrossing and proper F1 tech talk.
I think Jacques may have liked the push/pull shifting because it would be similar to a sequential system that he would have used in Indycar and Formula Atlantic.
The Williams for your obvious passionate connection with its driver. If not, the 04 BAR 006 for the rise of JB. The Minardi for its originality. There, sorted. Three for you to drive...😊
Love your videos. Thank you!
I've seen that '98 Minardi and it sounds exactly as good as you'd think
Lewis Hamilton 2007 Mclaren Mercedes unfortunately wasn't a V10 but Pablo Montoyas BMW Compact was
This is truly a great, intelligent video. Thank you!
Ben, this was spectacular.
Thank you fella.
Really interesting video, thank you. I'll pick Button's car because he is probably my second favorite f1 driver after Senna .
The Jordan.
Love the content Ben!
This was immensely satisfying.I love what these guys are doing.
As for which car- whichever has the screamiest V10 obviously!
The V10 needs to make a comeback! The modern cars sound okay, but there's just something truly magical about those howling V10's!
Na the modern cars sound rubbish
Never is gonna happen. Unfortunately.
The modern cars sound crap! I was at Silverstone for the ‘23 F1, the Porsche Carrera cup cars, F3 & F2 cars sounded better.
I'd rather have the cars be much lighter than getting some insane sound back that is in no way sustainable. How many races could one of those engines do and how much fuel did they consume?
There's a bucket list bunch of cars right there. I vote for the one Villenueuve wrecked at Spa.
F1 / Liberty threw away their unique sonic calling card. All of the new fans - had the ones that went to races could have heard those engines being pushed, it would have solidified their allegiance. New fans would have freaked.
Spoiled for choice! If it was me, I would love to see and hear that Jordan Peugeot going round again but I think seeing Ben in Jacques's car would be pretty epic.
I think a test of the fleet is in order! Great to see the cars up close
great insights and all worthy of being driven.. but has to the BAR Ben 🤗