JDM Cars Make No Sense
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
- Are JDM Cars finally priced correctly or are car enthusiasts like me out of their mind? Let me know what you think below!
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In today's world, JDM cars are some of the most popular, and most expensive on the market. The days of $22,000 GTR's are long gone and replaced by $250,000 price tags with fancy editions like "Omori factory," "R1," and "Because I can" trims, but are they worth it? I decided to travel to Virginia to check out Driver Motorsports, a JDM import company to answer that very question but I want to know, what do you think?
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Timestamps
0:00 JDM Importers Are Wild
1:00 Who is Driver Motorsports
1:20 Are GT-R's Overrated?
2:15 The Underrated JDM Cars of The World
4:10 Why Are These Cars So Expensive?
5:50 Let's Talk About the Toyota Chaser
6:05 Hilux Surf
6:35 So Some JDM Cars Are Expensive but some aren't?
7:08 Why It's Ok To For Things To Not Make Sense
8:00 Outro
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I wanted to get the chaser they have there, but i had to be responsible first and get a mk7.5 sportwagen, once im done paying that off, ill be at their front door lol
I watched one of your other videos where you bought a car for drifting from them. Another good 4 door option may be a crown athlete. You can find them with 1jzgte from factory. I think they become legal this year or next here in the US
True, you can get a fully built 180sx for $13k
I wimper knowing I'll never own an NSX. I had an opportunity to buy one back in 2007 but I scoffed at spending $25,000 on a 90s car.
These life choices landed me in therapy.
If it makes you feel any better my father missed out on buying a pristine twin turbo Mk4 Supra for $16k back in 2012 or 2013. To this day I keep bringing it up to him lol.
My dad refused to cosign for a R32 GTR and it was like $15,000.. ill never let him live that down.
@@CforClairvoyant Sheeeesh, now I don’t feel so bad about that Supra incident I was just talking about.
@@riceball52 personally i wasnt thinking about value and resale value at all. I was just so obsessed with the car and wanted one bad and it was the perfect price 🥹
@@CforClairvoyantI would’ve jumped off a cliff 😭😭
this guy is up charging like crazy. it’s cheaper to buy a plane ticket to japan, find a car you like and import it yourself. it’s more work, but significantly cheaper.
Time is money, I would agree and do the same but for some people they rather just pay someone to do it for them
Not anymore. The Japanese caught on and upped their prices. Check the prices now
@@gravestone9831as an importer i can tell you these prices are still outrageous
@@STREETRIGHTUSidk if I’d believe the guy that’s part of the problem , yall are what the lil kid Benjamin kicks is to the sneaker game
And Japan is an amazing experience
I remember when in Canada you could pick up a beat up GTR for under 10K. Then they became legal in the US.
I remember thoses days too i was too young to have a car at that time but just close enough to seriously checking JDM cars that were afforbale at the time
We be doing weird stuff to the economy; like the introduction of the Grand Exchange in Runescape.
JDM are so cheap in Canada/BC $10.000 for an EVO 5, i paid $3000 for my Subaru B4 RSK twin turbo and making 340 hp. I almost got an R33 GTR for $20.000 8 years ago
I remember when I could get a clean low km r34 for under 50k landed. I would like to say the bubble will eventually burst but I can only see the prices going one way 📈
CZcamsRS AND TIKTOKERS AND CLOUT CHASER KILLED THE CAR COM
Clout is one heck of a drug.
Video games hyped these cars beyond belief. Then the millennials, that are not having kids and have disposable incomes wanted them. Then the price went up as the demand went up. It's pretty basic. When nobody can afford them, the market will cool off.
It will cool off but they won't be dirt cheap like they used to be. At least for the cream-of-the-crop halo cars. All the cope cars and lesser known heroes will def come crashing down in price tho 😂
No they won't. There will never be cars like this ever again. They are only getting rarer by the day.
The games were based on the tuner culture of the time. In Japan the cars were relatively affordable and easy to tune. With export and hype it will naturally shoot up in value.
But did you really just blame millennials. Okay boomer
@@hishamhilal8332 def NOT a boomer.
Before y'all were allowed to import 33's and 34's they were dirt cheap. I'm talking like golf gti price tags. As soon as they became legal BUMM...market went through the roof.... respectfully... y'all the problem 😂😂
My heart hurts, but you're right.
Facts
@@AlexMartini. you said you could buy a GTR R33 for 20k a few years ago... when I bought my first MK4, 2013-2015, I could have bought an r34 gtr for 20k in Europe, do I regret not doing it, sure, am I glad I bought my second Supra instead, sure... because parts for R34 are insane nowdays and these car like to shit themselves from time to time... USA was the main problem with prices, sadly.
yip here in NZ you can import JDM at any age.
We had lots of skylines, stegas, b4 , rx7, evos, sti, surfs, patrols and all the rest on the road in the nineties early 2000''s..
You can see the effect of the 25 year rule with the mini trucks.
Brand new here they are 20,000 old ones are still 10,000 because they get sold direct to the USA now.
I enjoy being into cars when it wasn’t about the money. Now it’s a rich man’s game. My current cars that I’m building are the last ones and I am out the game.
I have a lot of fun with my 900$ reliable car, long trips and the smell of 90's in interior. Its a lot of fun if you exclude the people, forums, clubs and anything related to the exterior. Its a personal thing, something intim with your car.
I lived in Okinawa Japan from 1996-2001 and remember seeing R32 GTRs for like 7k. If I'd known, then what I know now, I'd have bought & stored everyone I could have.
I remember seeing R34 for 30-40k - I wonder would the ISF reach those milestones, that thing is a sleeper
The only reason why the GTR’s are up in price is the 25 year rule… come to Australia and you’ll notice since the Americans can import JDM’s the mark ups are going insane… $20-50-80k AUD JDM GTR is now for sale at over $250-500k AUD! So even wanting to buy one here in Australia it’s going nuts.
Australia 2000 -2010 gtr went for less then 20k n some were spec versions n people couldn't give them away because of the shitty fuel economy
As a lifelong American Muscle guy, I completely fell for how awesome JDM cars are far as their different suspension setups, looks, subculture, and variety of mods to make the car look unique, sound, and drive uniquely. Would dream to have a real JDM.
I live in a country that has had JDM imports for many decades. The cars you show are much cheaper here and have been a common sight on the roads for many years, to the point of boredom.
It’s nice seeing people be interested in the 90s stuff in other countries.
Paraguay?
Sorry, Paraguai
S15s are actually not that rare where I live
Everything else is however, aside from a skyline R34(which might not actually be a GTR)
Where I'm from they are rare now, but back when I was in high school, some of the cool kids could afford R32 GTS-T's, CRX's and RX7's, obviously they all got crashed because testosterone of course, R32's were so popular there was a vulgar saying I won't repeat on YT comparing them to the female anatomy (as in, everyone has them).
Another hit from Alex! I love these style videos where you take us almost through a thought process of sorts. It leads you to make a conclusion but it doesn't force you to; it just gives you more information than what you started with from an honest yet reliable source. Your loyal fans can't wait to see what's next.
Thank you man! I'm going to do more of this style because i've found a lot of joy in walking through subjects like this. If there's anything else you'd like to see, let me know!!
Jdm kids don’t wanna go fast , they just wanna look exclusive , reminds me of the shoe resale market
Damn that's harsh
Perfect answer
they wanna go fast in turns. Not in a straight line.
@@mantasookinavicius5154They can by more recent cars with better performance for the same price
@@hishamhilal8332100% true though.
if a stagea 260rs ever rolls through his shop, id scoop that up in a heartbeat
Nice to see ya back at VA Alex!! Gonna get a car from that place at some point. Love looking there every-time i come by that way.
JDM fan boys at work
But you do have to wonder, is it worth it?
@@AlexMartini. They are their dream cars which is ok but not to this extent
@@Albrto2077Why do you care? If you don't think they are worth it, don't buy them.
Pretty simple. Smh
There's Japanese cars euro cars and shit cars
Car guys at work*
That's like complaining about why '63 Corvettes cost so much despite being one of the rarest and most sought after. If you want a cheap JDM, get a RHD Corona.
Quick and to the point. Loved it!
Less than 20 years ago, these cars were about $5,000 on lots here in Japan... Now that they're past the 25 year import mark; $35,000. The car is worth what people will pay for it, and nuts ARE paying for them so the prices stay high.
Honestly some of the most tempting JDM cars are the mundane ones - things like a little Daihatsu Charade hatchback for example. It's just a small manual economy hatch with a tiny fuel efficient engine, not some tuner that with ten grand in mods will blow the doors off proper sports cars, but in Japan you can get well-maintained good condition examples with only like 50,000 miles on them for dirt cheap, like five grand after import costs and fees to get one here. That's insane. It might not be super exciting to drive, but a sensible economical small practical car is sadly something you just can't buy new in this country anymore, and every affordable used example is high mileage, and likely beat to crap as it wasn't seen as anything worth taking care of when it was new - if you can even find one.
But in Japan... they're plentiful, well-maintained, and not worth much. For less money than a USDM equivalent car, you can get a practical small car from Japan with lower miles, better paint, better interior, better condition overall, and better specs. And sometimes, a small practical economy car is all you really want. It'll do everything you want out of a daily driver competently and reliably while sipping fuel, and doing all of that so that your fun project cars don't have to. And the only tradeoff is that you have to sit on the wrong side of the car, and have the headlights adjusted so they're aimed properly for driving on the right side of the road :) A small price to pay for a sensible commuter car.
I just bought my chaser from them this past easter weekend. Awesome guys who dont bullshit you.
100% on point on everything. 👏🏼 love it
Im saving up and im going to buy 1 for my birthday in November. Plenty of dream cars on that lot🔥🔥🔥
As a Hilux surf owner, they are awesome. The gas ones are fully interchangeable with four runners other than the steering column and dash... They also come in a turbo diesel if that's your jam.
Love this! I wasn’t even aware we had a place like this in the US!
Go check em out!
I noticed the same thing up here in Canada, there is a JDM Import place in Montreal and I was showing some of the kids at the shop I work what they could actually buy that would be cool and still less expensive than some of the North American counter parts. Most people seem to think that a JDM Importer is expensive until you really go searching on one of their websites, you can quickly get lost in the amazing cars that are actually affordable!
Man if I’d have to pick a jdm dream it might be that jdm Levin Trueno. A pristine one in dark blue would be 👌
You want a Levin or a Trueno? I don’t get it. Also which generation in particular, AE86, AE92, AE101, AE111?
@@riceball52 the ae86 with the LEVIN front end. The solid lights not the pop ups. We never got that version. Although the AE111 is a really nice looking car too.
@@ripamoramee14 Oh yeah, that’s pretty cool, the Levin 3 door is my favorite version of the AE86, but it’s the rarest version of that car where I live.
A big part of the popularity of the AE86 is the fact that it is rwd, there have been no small reliable rwd hatches or coupes made since. Only thing that is close is an mx5 but most of those are rag tops.
Driver is a great place to buy a RHD import from. I'm loving the super clean Cedric I bought from them a lil over 2mos ago with just over 15k miles on it.
one car that I still adore that almost no one seems to care about are the subaru legacys. The 2nd and 3rd gen come with an annoying to service but wickedly fun twin turbo setup and you can find them for 5-10k in canada pretty easily. On top of that, you can have a twin turbo wagon making near sti power which is awesome
That shop looks awesome :D
Honestly I wouldn’t mind owning a rhd 5th Gen Prelude, rhd CRX, or a Nissan Pulsar GTI-R
That hilux surf already sold 😢
So, I agree with Alex. The toyota celsior is such a great option. Ive enjoyed my UCF11 immensely and after lowering it. It looks much better, still sourcing camber parts for the rear though.
Its been a great daily driver when im not going to work. Plus the 1UZ makes some, oh so pretty sounds.
Great cars!
first!
i know exactly where that is... VA native and yes we have a huge JDM scene here, imabout to get a kei truck this summer after i sell a coulpe of flip cars...
For my Favourite JDM car now is the Honda NSX na2.
I still want a Gloria before a r33, but definitely a r33 as far as coupes. I also really want a Suzuki Jimny! ❤
Shut up about the Suzuki before everyone else catches on! 😢
@touayaaj84 my bad....shhhhh
Owned an Accord in Japan and an R33 Skyline in Germany.
Now that I'm back in the states, I want another RHD.
I bought a 1994 Toyota Celsior from ED and it’s amazing highly recommended buying one especially from ED.
The music throughout this video fucking slaps. You should know it's appreciated my guy
Appreciate that! We're trying to make it better with every video!
Yes! Celsior with the wool seats!!! Just like mine! I miss it so much.
Quality and luxury
Combo shrinking supply of JDM and the forced push of EVs from Uncle Sam...
It's the perfect storm, you got car enthusiasts trying not to get swept
I grew up playing Gran Turismo, so JDM cars will always have a place in my heart. But at the prices they're selling for, I'm buying a Porsche and I'm not even second guessing that decision.
They’re coming down, i look at prices daily(yes i’m one of those weirdo’s). Just wait a while longer, R34 GTR’s aren’t selling for crazy money anymore, a V-Spec N1 sold on BAT for under $300k when back then it would sell for $600k+. And just so y’all know a lot of the people that bid on these cars are the same ones who bid $100k the first day they go up for auction. I’ve seen the same names a few times and they never buy so they’re definitely just doing it to keep the value of their personal cars
Agreed
Prices may of plateaued, but these cars will never be cheap again. Due to legislation the era of these cars has ended and they are a finite product.
r32/33 gtst! Rb20 or rb25, manual, rwd or awd, extremely light and super tuneable. Picked my r32 GTS-T Type M up for 17,000 and put about 6k into it... There's nothing else even close to it under 40k. Underappreciated
Up in Canada people were getting GTR's for like 8k or less back in the day. A lot of these JDM cars were very cheap and have gone up 100% in price.
I have a Celsior and let me tell you its amazing! rides like a dream , looks amazing , and with a aftermarket exhaust they sound amazing! best car I have ever owned!!!
Preach!
Impatiently waiting for the day i can order my Gloria or Chaser
I love the Hilux surf so much I’ve always wanted one
Picked up a clean mark 2 for less than that celsior. Last year too
Will still never understand the mentality that having a right hand drive is a perk, especially when we drive on the right.
I have a rt hand drive car here in USA; it's not Japanese thank God. It's a '73 Aston Martin DBS V8 (my late Dad's). I don't consider the RHD a perk, it just is what it is, the REAL THING 🇬🇧
It's a way to flex on other drivers. "Oh look at me, I'm different, I drive a rhd car". It's kinda cool, but it's goofy if you go out of your way to get a rhd just for the sake of it. Especially people who do rhd swaps.. Now that simply doesn't make sense.
@@wheniztheend I agree, and apparently those swappers have nothing better to do with their time and money. In my case I'm forever indebited to Dad RIP, his(my) Aston is the strongest best built car I've ever had ... keeping it forever
Love that Hilux Surf. I'd take that over everything shown.
If I'm ever gonna spend too much money on bringing in a foreign market RHD car, it's gonna be a Holden Ute. Why? Because I'm a hipster with a mullet at heart.
I went the KDM and Domestic route for cars as of now. I'm sure the old JDM cars are good but they're extremely high priced and there's no guarantee they perform better than modern sports cars that are far cheaper unless you modify them, there's 25 years of technology difference at work.
I can tell you that the 90's Toyotas are better
@@ZO6Driver2 ok I had a Toyota that can last a million miles, I'll take the new performance cars any day, zero competition.
If I had to pick a JDM (might be a hot take), The Honda E. I just think it's neat.
All it takes is an email.
Millennial JDM "feels-pricing" is just the new 'vette boomer "feels-pricing" but yes Alex is right a lot of the market is speculative and based on perceived value/feelings. It's precisely why you can buy (right now) a Toyota Solara 2D Camry (coupe or convertible) for less than $8k but a Toyota Camry from the same era if inflated to a goofy degree, people know the Camry name but don't know the Solara is built on the same platform with the same engine options except 2 doors, an es330-adjacent-interior, and a convertible option.
Good thing I got my R34 gtt coupe for $30k, sheesh
Glad I got my Celica gt4 when I did. It was either that, or a pulsar gti-r.
Next on the list is a Sera or a Cappuccino if america gets its shit together regarding kei vehicles
R32 GTR is great value rn. Can pick up a nice one for under 40k
Toyotas are the number one imports . Outside of the Nissan GTR because most of the cool Toyotas we did not get.
Nostalgia. You can never replace that feeling you had when you were young, but with enough money you can try
You're absolutely right. JDM cars are like the Christmas events in OSRS back in 06.
Truth
lol, I picked up my FD RX7 back in 2006 for 16k and my R33 GTR Vspec in 2013 for 21k. I'm happy I got in early. Now they are 20b(RX7) and RB30/26(GTR) swapped (builds on my channel, don't forget to like and subscribe). Both paid off, and both broken 😥 but they still cost less than what they are going for now. So, a win.
It has more to do with demand and finite supply. I moved from BMW M cars to Toyota JZ's and have never looked back, these 90's JDM cars are the peak of automotive engineering and unrepeatable due to restrictive laws on emissions and fuel consumption. My advice would be to get one while you can, prices will only go one way.
Good advice
its like the guys, who grew up with muscle cars, they were cheap, now those cars in good shape, or restored are six figure cars
JDM and imports were known was budget fun but now it's just become materialism.
time to find the real budget value cars and rock them.
I've an ls400, chaser and (had) a surf 😂 i feel validated by this video lmao
I think there are many reasons for the price, the basics are supply and demand, the supply is limited, new ones are not being built, and the demand is in a way increasing, because while people always wanted them, a lot of them were kids that never had the disposable income, and now all the kids that want it are grown up and have the spending power, higher price is not a good or a bad thing, it just kind of puts it in a position that only people who really want it the most will spend the money for it. Also the other thing is the US Market is big, and the JDM is relatively small, its like having a restaurant that serves 100 people try to make food for 10000 people. With that being said, I do like Japanese cars, be it JDM or USDM Japanese cars, but I feel that with the prices now, it takes away a big talking point about Japanese cars, which was that they were affordable tuner cars. But hey, car prices here are still cheaper than where I am from so.. Can't complain too much
Nailed it. This is an intelligent comment.
Sorry America
Yes, you are to blame 100%
As soon as the R32 GTR became legal I bought one knowing the prices would go up I had predicted this. I paid $25k NZD So probably about $18k USD.
That very next week, prices went up $5k, then another $5k, and it kept going up, then covid hit and all of a sudden people were realizing that these once cheap cars, Silvias, Rx7's, etc were getting snatched up and people were looking to make profits! It started with the lower specs of R32 skylines, because now if a GTR costs X then it's the lower trims should also cost more too! And that then steam rolled to other platforms, because "What a standard GTS R32 is X amount?! Well my Rx7 is way better/nicer so it's now worth X amount more" and it carried on all because people were trying to price match. Not only that, it was no longer cheaper to import from Japan so prices were compared to what you could import.
Thanks America.
I think i met the owner of this company in 2022 at Virginia International Raceway. I have a video of one of his JDM cars he drove. Black turbo sedan.
Dark green Toyota JZX100 Chaser. I've developed it more now. It does pretty dahm good on the track now
I want a aristo
Man i wish JDM was cheaper
They are cheaper than the USDM in Canada, my Subaru B4 RSK 340 hp cost $3000 and my friends Evo 5 and 6 around $10.000
@@skippylegrandgourou2069wtf that’s an amazing deal
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I personally have a 2010 rx8 gt i believe that car is highly undervalued! Ive driven rx7s before and i think the rx8 drives way nicer and handles like a dream. picked mine up for 7k
JDM cars are ONLY right hand drive.
I laughed my ass off when said a house was 75k, try 500k.
Im 43. And I dreamt about Euro cars.
Biggest problem with the celsior.....or any of the sub $15,000 cars are one of 2 things.....no manual or no turbo. To get both your $20k+. Sure base model chaser for under $10k. You want turbo and manual. 3x the price. Same on non gtr skylines. Single cam honda under $10k. Want dohc and manual 3x the price. Assuming clean examples anyways.
Just buy a Buick regal. Just as reliable as a ls400
@@amgvlogs5087 still no manual. I won't drive an automatic car.
@@TheRealMrRoyal buy a Volvo S60 r
@@amgvlogs5087 that's not a bad idea actually. I'd prefer rwd but going to have to make some concession.
I think they make an AWD control module that can convert it to rear wheel drive if you really wanted to, but it would put more strain on the drivetrain
Well said good sir.
They didn't make a whole lot of r33's, and hype is driving up r34's which will drop in prices in 2-3 years. You can still find r32 gtr's for cheap because they made so many. For reference at the end of 2018, I paid a bit under 30k USD in Japanfor my R33 GTR but no rust on the underside or engine bay. I found the paperwork of the last owner in Japan who paid 15k USD equivalent 5 years before me in 2013. Basically I was able to put in 20k, make reliable 500awhp with the single turbo build I did 3 years ago, and I can still sell it for profit which is wild.
Meanwhile I bought a dream AMG from when I was younger - a 2003 CL55. Stock it makes more power than the modded gtr and with maintenance its only cost me 15k lol. Cheaper than the engine build in the gtr. But its not the same feeling driving the AMG as driving the GTR and that's what people are chasing.
Love JDM cars. Glad to have bought a 240sx back when they were actually cheap AND you could find one with a stock engine/ intake or exhaust mods only. Now? Heck no. You need to have a lot of extra money to go through with buying one now
Been stalking Toyota celsior form them for months
Got my first FD3S in 2005 for $12k (running fine)
Got my second FD3S in 2014 for $7 (running fine compression # high 80s low 90s)
I loved that ending
How is that Hilux only 17k? I'd take 2 if I had the resources..
I'm 40 and felt attacked with your opening statement 😂😂😂
I honestly agree that influence made the car seem horrible and made the prices go up 10 times o
GTR's in japan were considered like a Mustang GT 5.0 foxbody cheap speed. Now they're Porsche Prices.
How dare you not talk about that S30 😢
Is that jzx90 with the ge vvti still available?
I still want a GT4 Celica playa!
ATOYOT gotta be my fave JDM brand
My man!
Agree
Mine works well top speed 180 mph and you can get them cheap a
Here skylines etc
You can buy 14 Celsiors if you import them yourself. It's not hard. You buy from an importer you're getting hosed on price. Feel free to spend thousands of dollars you don't need to spend. Whatever as long as it keeps the prices up.
The JDM bubble has already burst. Martini is mostly sending this to true JDM fans. It's like... if people start to appreciate all last 1990s GM RWD boats (Impala, Roadmaster, Deville...), then the fool in the market wants to buy a Toyota Celsior or Lexus LS-400. And it's only buying a JDM car because of reliability and cheap parts, not for value or tradition or performance. No matter how much you put any 1000hp 2JZ on it. The american V8 still more powerful and attractive than ever. A very big "sorry, no-no" for R34s anyway...
@@patricklopes-vtec is that why top promod guys are switching to 2JZ's?
@@ZO6Driver2
In the land of V8s, why run in a I6? Exchange the perfect balance for...?
@@patricklopes-vtecI just know 2Js have been winning big races against big hemi.
Never got the jdm hype cool when there $5,000 but ehh not worth the hype
When dude said 75 thousand dollar Nissan I laughed
I can’t even buy a good Evo 8/9 they go for 50k now a days , crazy what a 30yr rust box costs, Japan selling for cheap. Sending them to USA
Driver doesn't import or sell rusty cars
i had a jzx100 and i got hit and insurance totaled it and i bought a celsior with the money i got no doubt an amazing car i wouldn’t replace it
They are great cars.... both of them
It's actually pretty simple, the kids who grew up watching late 90s early 2k movies, TV and anime have grown up earned money and now want the things they loved as a child. Now it's 25 years later and a lot of those cars are gone and a bunch of them were never sold in the states. You have all the necessary elements for crazy prices customers desire relative rarity and people who want to make money. Every time you have some sort of lack of supply you have scalpers and the like jacking up the prices, just look at cars during covid 200k for a C8 corvette.
Jdm EVO's are still priced decent. 20-25k? Low miles, not beat to crap. Hell i know where theres a GT4 rn for like 20k...and they only made 2500 of them! 😮
They are amazing car, especially evo 5-6 and amazing chassis
Doing things because they feel good _is_ rhyme and reason.
In 2018 i had an inch to buy an old dream car. It was on Houston it was a 1998 Acura NSX with 39k miles and they wanted $41,000 😂.
What are the mitsubishi GTp prices looking like??