Iconic AIRCRAFT? Just one? I'd say both of them. The Russians put the P-63 to good use in fighting the Nazis back. And actually, the P-63 was even rarer than the B-17. It was only one of two P-63F models ever built and the only one to survive.
@@My_Fair_Lady Much tighter air traffic control is needed at these shows and 'the law laid down to all pilot' the day before the show begins. Sad to say but some commonsense rules broken caused the Raiders and P-63 to be lost.
@@My_Fair_Lady Have lots of clues about what I am writing about -- among other things is that these aircraft were flying over or very close to populated areas - a strict 'no-no' in a properly run airshow and obviously two displays going on at once. Far too much traffic in the sky. Poor visibility of P-63 SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT before it was permitted to fly so close and so low.
If only there was some collision avoidance device implanted in the faster smaller P63 aircraft apparently having some built-in Situational Awareness restricting issues too : ( And yes, this is absolutely the right time to start proposing fundamental structural changes on every level, for the purpose to continue more sustainable flight operations of the few remaining relics ✌🏊🔛 Thanks
God Bless these flying legends in that flying Legend Forever flying in the sky RIP Thank you for all the pleasure you gave us flying Texas Raiders We salute you all God Bless you boys
Too bad that Glenn Miller drowned out the Real Music of those iconic 4 engines and wind from the waist guns. I had a 45 minute flight on "Aluminum Overcast".........a dream come true and never forgotten!!! So sad that 6 died so recently....RIP and one less beautiful warbird!
Imagine having your tail sliced off and dropping from 30k feet and having time to panic, it makes the 2 seconds these guys suffered seem like a God send.
I’m reminded of this inscription from the WW1 gravestone of RFC Maj J.T. Mc Cudden, VC- Fly on dear boy from this dark world of strife on to the promised land to eternal life.
Clearly the P-63's overspeeding and miscalculation. Organizers and Flight cotroller/s should have had a better control of the airshow. RIP to all who died esp to the B-17 flight crew. So sad this happened.
I love when there is an accident everyone in the fucking world has to be accountable, we and you do not know what happened with that pilot in the 63….until then and even after respect these lost souls a hole
@@sethtenrec You have all the facts and can determine who is at fault already? Let the NTSB investigate and then make the decision who or what was at fault.
@@lonelypigeon7562 In some videos or way you see you can see that the P-63 was in a right turn loosing altitude and he could not see the b17 infront of him.He may have not seen the b17 at all starting the turn.
@@highinthesky4269 yeah....there is some posts that say that also, its like a blind spot in the cockpit.....what NTSB probably has to do is use those mini wide angle cameras and film the cockpit with the pilot flying or mount that camera on the helmet to show investigators "blind spots" being in the cockpit......the pilot (Lord rest his soul) just could not see the other plane...
as mentioned in an earlier post....looks like the other plane went directly into this B17....If an autopsy can find out if the pilot of the smaller plane had a medical issue that he was stricken while at flight...either that or a mechanical problem which caused the plane to veer into the other plane.
Yeah, but all these "experts" need to stop laying blame on any one aircraft or pilot based on watching some videos. They need to wait until the NTSB finishes its investigation. How would you like to be a family member or friend of that person and have people blaming him?
@@dartmaster501 ay I agree, from the looks of things no one is really at fault, it was just a break down of comms. which unfortunately cost the lives of 5 people
Bunch of old geezers flying around with too many planes in the air at the same altitude. Figure 8 patterns, planes flying in and out with at least one of them known low vis from from the cockpit. The airshow was a problem waiting to happen - trying to sell history when in fact its old dudes out having fun - and in it over their heads. The NTSB should and will shut the shows down.
I said the same thing! These old timers thought they were 20 years old again, and they were acting like cowboys up in the sky there playing with super RARE VINTAGE WAR PLANES! Not too Smart!
RIP. Tragic to lose the lives of passionate aviators and the loss of an iconic aircraft.
Iconic AIRCRAFT? Just one? I'd say both of them. The Russians put the P-63 to good use in fighting the Nazis back. And actually, the P-63 was even rarer than the B-17. It was only one of two P-63F models ever built and the only one to survive.
@C E No, not ALL airshows. Since there are only 4 airworthy ones still left, then maybe stop flying them with dissimilar aircraft.
@@My_Fair_Lady Much tighter air traffic control is needed at these shows and 'the law laid down to all pilot' the day before the show begins. Sad to say but some commonsense rules broken caused the Raiders and P-63 to be lost.
@@My_Fair_Lady Have lots of clues about what I am writing about -- among other things is that these aircraft were flying over or very close to populated areas - a strict 'no-no' in a properly run airshow and obviously two displays going on at once. Far too much traffic in the sky. Poor visibility of P-63 SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT before it was permitted to fly so close and so low.
@@My_Fair_Lady Yeah c'mon there Butt Plug Two. No and can see no point in such an air race -- none whatsoever.
RiP aviators. Thank you for your service to the world as ambassadors of historical preservation and education. You will all be missed...💙🇺🇸🥃
Rest in peace brothers God Speed
If only there was some collision avoidance device implanted in the faster smaller P63 aircraft apparently having some built-in Situational Awareness restricting issues too : (
And yes, this is absolutely the right time to start proposing fundamental structural changes on every level, for the purpose to continue more sustainable flight operations of the few remaining relics ✌🏊🔛
Thanks
God Bless these flying legends in that flying Legend
Forever flying in the sky
RIP Thank you for all the pleasure you gave us flying Texas Raiders
We salute you all God Bless you boys
It just shows you how quick are life can end. Godspeed brothers....
Tragic circumstances. RIP all you guys.
RIP BOYS! You've officially earned your wings.
What a connection I felt watching this. RIP to all.
Ahh man... a ride into fate
All I can say is RIP fellas!
The props are turning just for you!
🍻
Rest in peace😢
At least they left doing what they loved.
Thank God they never saw it coming. Rest In Peace.
Too bad that Glenn Miller drowned out the Real Music of those iconic 4 engines and wind from the waist guns. I had a 45 minute flight on "Aluminum Overcast".........a dream come true and never forgotten!!! So sad that 6 died so recently....RIP and one less beautiful warbird!
Ironic they’re playing Glenn Miller, he went down too…
Death by misadventure, accidents happen . They lived ,,,and died. Rest in piece and condolences to all.
imagine you are at 19 year olds riding that through european sky - with enemy pursue you
Imagine having your tail sliced off and dropping from 30k feet and having time to panic, it makes the 2 seconds these guys suffered seem like a God send.
Very sad ,condolences to all.
They gave their "Whole nine yards" RIP.
I can't imagine how awful those last seconds were for the guys aboard this thing. RIP.
RIP: Ripped Into Pieces!
Damn. Loved what they did. Went out with two thumbs up.🫡😢
💔Just a humble thanks. 😞🙏
R.I.P.😢
Dang Rest Easy!
I am heartbroken for the crewmembers and the planes.
They've moved on to a higher level of existence.
It’s very hard to imagine a p-63 would crash right through that compartment at the end..
Feel blessed
🍻
i had the same thought
RIP 😢
This was so tragic when the crash happened even tho I am British the b17 cant be matched by any British plane in my opinion
RIP
And now, it is gone. It collided with another plane earlier today
Collided with one of only two P-63F models ever built and the only one to survive.
R.I.P. Such a terrible crash with the Bell Kingcobra.
I did ride onboard her😢😢😢😢
High Flight
Rip. what a loss.
Rest in peace I didn’t deserve it
I’m reminded of this inscription from the WW1 gravestone of RFC Maj J.T. Mc Cudden, VC-
Fly on dear boy from this dark world of strife on to the promised land to eternal life.
good thing there were no p63 pilots in area, he may not have seen that BIGASS!!! plane
😢
): rip
bro dodged a bullet
Too sad 😢
Clearly the P-63's overspeeding and miscalculation. Organizers and Flight cotroller/s should have had a better control of the airshow. RIP to all who died esp to the B-17 flight crew. So sad
this happened.
See the organizers in court
I love when there is an accident everyone in the fucking world has to be accountable, we and you do not know what happened with that pilot in the 63….until then and even after respect these lost souls a hole
@@nman7044 it’s starting to look like the 63 was at fault. But the organizers of this clown show need to be held financially accountable as well.
@@sethtenrec You have all the facts and can determine who is at fault already? Let the NTSB investigate and then make the decision who or what was at fault.
@@dartmaster501 I said it’s “starting to look like” and you spun it into that “I have all the facts”. snake tongue 101.
mungkin salah gambar yg di pesawat tuh...🎅
Rest in peace. Cobra driver really didnt look
I think he couldn’t see the b17
@@fredricc5771 thats right my bad i did e
Research
@@fredricc5771 that is what other posts are saying.......maybe the FAA will have an investigator fly one of those and see if it is true.
@@lonelypigeon7562 In some videos or way you see you can see that the P-63 was in a right turn loosing altitude and he could not see the b17 infront of him.He may have not seen the b17 at all starting the turn.
@@highinthesky4269 yeah....there is some posts that say that also, its like a blind spot in the cockpit.....what NTSB probably has to do is use those mini wide angle cameras and film the cockpit with the pilot flying or mount that camera on the helmet to show investigators "blind spots" being in the cockpit......the pilot (Lord rest his soul) just could not see the other plane...
Now all are dead
So sad
So sad to watch this.
Terrible loss.
Someone needs to be held accountable for this chaos in the sky's
as mentioned in an earlier post....looks like the other plane went directly into this B17....If an autopsy can find out if the pilot of the smaller plane had a medical issue that he was stricken while at flight...either that or a mechanical problem which caused the plane to veer into the other plane.
Not chaos. The p63 was watching the lead to his left. Lead prob went a little wide and he couldn’t see the b17 on that angle.
@George he was banking in such a way that the body of his own aircraft obstructed the B17
Yeah, but all these "experts" need to stop laying blame on any one aircraft or pilot based on watching some videos. They need to wait until the NTSB finishes its investigation. How would you like to be a family member or friend of that person and have people blaming him?
@@dartmaster501 ay I agree, from the looks of things no one is really at fault, it was just a break down of comms. which unfortunately cost the lives of 5 people
Bunch of old geezers flying around with too many planes in the air at the same altitude. Figure 8 patterns, planes flying in and out with at least one of them known low vis from from the cockpit. The airshow was a problem waiting to happen - trying to sell history when in fact its old dudes out having fun - and in it over their heads. The NTSB should and will shut the shows down.
Most of those old geezers are veterans who fought for the right to do what they want to in retirement, and that includes flying in air shows.
I said the same thing! These old timers thought they were 20 years old again, and they were acting like cowboys up in the sky there playing with super RARE VINTAGE WAR PLANES! Not too Smart!
The dumbest comment of all time.
god bless that souls.
RIP
RIP
RIP
RIP
RIP