Stationeers Let's play Modded Vulcan 17 Refixing the water cooler
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- čas přidán 20. 06. 2022
- Last time I made so upgrades to the water cooler and as it turns out, I did a terrible job. The system is now running hotter than before I fixed it so now it is time to refix it. And during editing I spotted a few more mistakes so look forward to fixing it again next time. But in the meanwhile lets have a bit of a play with the new radiator.
- Hry
For the record, I am *really* enjoying this play through!
Unrelated: they just "Fixed" Venus. No more volatile or water ice. And since there is no volatile in the atmosphere, you now have to make it with winterspawn, buy from traders, or get it from a rocket. That water tank looks awfully small now. The Venus difficulty went up massively.
Winterspawn and electrolyser make H2 from water but you then have to use to H2 to make the water because you don't have a water supply. The only real way to gain H2 is the composter but then you need the biomass for that. This will be a serious balancing act to keep going.
For the Vents in the IC10 you use the number of the Vent Kit
Mick well done on another amazing show and I really enjoy watching you play this game because I actually learn things.
Also when it comes to IC code I'm really dumb on and I haven't spent enough time watching your lessons on it so I can learn to do it as well as you do.
Mick you are an amazing person and very entertaining to watch and listen to and I thank you for these shows that you do and I am so glad that I made the right move to subscribe to you. Sir take care of yourself and stay well and God bless you for everything you do man.
OMG I needed that laugh something fierce first 2 days back in the office and get home to my salvation. "What the hell, why did this thing go backwards" , "these things are weird" , "Seeing as our life depends on them maybe we won't fully trust them". Haaaaaaaaah thanks Mick I needed that.
Love the new toys. And I hear plants love music
LOL subtle hint
:) loving it.
i dont think the heat exchangers are directional, after viewing and reviewing i think the first one you set down was a liquid one. which did not work on the gas pipes.
You are partially correct. It was a liquid/ gas. So only the front input/output was liquid.
Yeah, Mick kinda botched the test. I repeated it - If only one side of a gas-gas was connected, gas would not flow in the reverse. If both sides were correctly connected, it *would* flow in reverse. Likewise with liquid-gas - when all 4 connections were valid, things would flow in reverse. When Mick put gas pipes on the liquid ports, it invalidated the test as it doesn't match the installation.
Yep, I noticed that in the edit. I think Peter has got it. When all of the pipes are connected it loses its directional flow. I not sure if that is a bug or by design but it is a little weird.
@@cowsareevil7514 im wondering if it would work better if you replaced the one way valves with pressure regulators so you can regulate the amount of mols each section cools down, a lower amount of mols would cool quicker? you dont need the whole amount for the plants? you could start with the 2mpa the first pipe has and then make it 500kpa for the 2nd and 250 kpa for the 3rd. the system will then get pushed into the plants as the water hits 35 deg. this way you wont overload the co2.
I could replace the valve with a pump and move the analyser to the heat exchangers then monitor the temperature and control the amount of hot water so I don't shock load the system faster than it can cool.
These are great! I am learning but man I feel dumb with my simple base on mars where I can't feed myself lol
The first 10 Episodes or so I understood whats going on.. now it's kinda like watching someone program un-beautified java script, fascinating and baffling at the same time ^^
pipe network number what (tf) ? :D
I really like the layout of the base though.. it has some Feng Shui, but I think there should be at least an 8-bit colour palette available for the distinguished interior decorator. Carpets and curtains would be nice.. I didn't yet see the spot for the pool.. maybe later. And I hope Wilson is doing fine. Tough little guy, and always there for you... he deserves a treat ! Too bad you can't let Aimee out in this hazardous climate. Maybe you can build her a marble madness indoor ore roller coaster, so she has something to play, I think Wilson would like that too.
I can't wait to fully see what beautiful butterfly hatches there !
Best of luck that it doesn't go like the Venus incident ;)
Greetings from Mimas
.. fascinating ...
I think I have changed things too many times. I am starting to get lost too.
Marble madness..... Interesting.
That new liquid radiator looks really promising, but won't it pick up heat from the air as well? You have devices that can check if the "water temp < air temp", but they are on another cable network. The data from the Weather Station is also on a different cable network. Using the Wind Turbine as a storm detector is very clever, but the Logic Mirrors might really shine here. They are not limited to just mirroring values from individual sensors either, they can mirror the results from calculations too, which can save pins on the IC that recieves the mirrored stuff.
The liquid radiator cant cool below the ambient air temp. But the water from the combuster is over 2000C so it will always be cooling, even during the day.
EggWardo and Hotblack point to the two things I wanted to point to:
1- That second active vent it set to outward - your code doesn't reset that as far as I could see.
2- When you switch to batch writing to the active vents, you pick the Kit ID instead of the Active Vent ID for the define statement.
Happy building!
pretty sure that there was a line for sb VENT Mode 1, which should set the vents to inward mode.
@@KayB3ee You're right. He sets the mode to 1 so that's handled. Need to update the hash ID to the correct value, tho.
Oops. I had to fall for that one eventually.
Heat exchangers do have a preference to flow input to output, however there's no backflow prevention unlike most other things in this game.
Two things I would like to have with heat exchangers is backflow prevention and an option to have counterflow heat exchange.
Wouldn't the counter flow heat exchange defeat the purpose of the backflow prevention?
@@cowsareevil7514 I don't think so? Can you explain how it would?
On the IC program where you switched the active vent from the screw input to batch write it along with the all the active vents on the heat exchangers you wrote the active vent kit number in your definition rather than the active vent number.
Glad I'm not the only one that caught it lol.
I saw that in the edit and it looks like quite a few people caught it too.
Thanks for the video good sir. Do you think the direction of flow in the heat exchangers is determined by which pipe is placed first? Same with the large radiator. Maybe the arrows are just guide lines?
I dont know. It might be that it doesn't flow until all pipes are connected.
To my knowledge it makes zero difference which way you connect the large radiator up, it has no preference.
Another thing I just thought of while re-watching. What if you put all your heat exchangers in a line with a turbine on one side and a vent on the other?
The now heated gas should cause the turbine to make more power than the vent is using up right?
Not sure
Regarding figuring out how they programmed the heat exchangers:
If you set a loop from the input to the output broken by a valve (so as to create two differently numbered pipe networks) and it ends up naming both ends the same number, then we can confirm that the game does not treat the heat exchanger as a "break" so there can't be any form of directional movement or cooling. It would be viewing both input and output as the same system/line/volume.
That is a nice test. I will do that.
@@cowsareevil7514 I imagine the game will show them as two networks, but in the small chance it doesn't, we would have the answer.
@@MatthewJOsbourne You can also cheat and look at the code.
Input network 1 mixes with internal volume 1
Input network 2 mixes with internal volume 2
Heat is transferred between internal volume 1 and 2
Internal volume 1 mixes with output network 1
Internal volume 2 mixes with output network 2
@@firstlast9923 not sure what code you are referring to, but if its the game code, thats beyond my knowledge base.
I was suggesting creating a single loop on only one side of the heat exchanger (not both), and if its an unbroken loop the game will name it something like "Pipe Network 18" for example.
But when you add in a valve to such a network, it breaks it into Pipe Network 18 and Pipe Network 19. If you connected one side of a heat exchanger to both ends of that network AND it changed Pipe Network 19 back to 18, we would have verification that there isn't any sort of programmed breaking up of networks when run through a heat exchanger.
And if there isn't a programmed break in that, then there couldn't be any sort of game code programming on top of it that would rely on such a break.
Or in the terminology you used: There isnt an "Internal Volume 1" and "Input 1" is considered the same network as "output 1".
@@MatthewJOsbourne Yes it's game code
Could you prevent any heatflow back into the exchanger vent pipe network during the day by putting a one-way valve right before the passive vents?
Good idea. It might also help build some passive pressure in the pipe when it is running.
@@cowsareevil7514 You only really need 101.325 kPa (1 atmospheres) pressure inside the heat exchanger (below that the max heat transfer drops off a cliff), one active vent should manage that with no problem. Other than that as far as I know the pressure doesn't really matter only how many moles you can flow through the heat exchanger since the max heat transfer is so large you rarely hit it (so the heat transfer looks as if you mixed the gases together).
hey mick, i just saw on the Stationeers Pedia that the Fertilizer made out of just biomass only that the fertilizer stays longer, but without decayed food or normal food it doesent have any effect on the growing of the plants.
Is that correct?
It is in the stationopedia. I think food gives higher yield and decayed food gives growth speed.
@@cowsareevil7514 yeah, I am not sure if you put in some decayed food or decayed food in the Vulcan playthrough , because if it's only biomass you don't get any additional multipliers to the normal growspeed or yield
Mick, how did you get the Food and Water mod to work after the update that broke it? ty
There are instructions on thund3r's discord.
I have this in my library but I don't usually have the patience for early access games. What state is this game in? Is it 90% polished? 70% polished etc?
NIETHER!!!
has been held up for almost six months and needs WAY more work/reward
risk/reward.
and it has only one option for space travel!
They are not big on giving out that sort of information. The concept seems to be close to complete. They are currently optimising the code and talking of a rebalance so I think it is getting close to release.
@@cowsareevil7514 close to release in this state,then it's just an engineering light sim
NOT a survival game.
@@johnthehumanist2333 Don’t draw far-reaching conclusions from the fact that Mick won’t die! :D
@@sciurusvulgaris2548 your joking,i am
NOT,sometimes certain devs cunt me off,esp with what they get away with on steam!
NEXT rocket(dont)werkz will be
telling us all "it just works".
The curse of the todd howard thrives!
Using all insulated pipe for internals? I guess its not a lot more to make them.
Regular pipes when there is a frame behind. Insulated pipes when there isn't.
Hiya Mick, i might be blowing smoke out my ass here but at 42:30 mark you put a second active vent on the far khaki tank, the vent was set to blow, will that have automatically reset to suck when you updated the code on the chip? if not will the 2 vents cancel each other out or will the blow vent cause you to lose all the gas you have stored over time?
If it's the IC I'm thinking of, there's a "sb VENT Mode 1" line that will take care of it.
i was thinking the same thing lol
@@asureaskie ahh i see, i missed that thank you 👍
Wouldn't it be easier to set the A/C to the temp you want?
That will work but the way I have it set up it is losing some of the gas from the room when it is operating so I set it for max cooling and turn it on/off as needed.
Why not read the weather station w/data transmitter?
Exactly what I was about to recommend. I use this method to transmit storm countdown and storm mode for AIMEe's storm shelter at a far mining outpost. Storm countdown would allow AIMEe to travel back to the outpost shelter and storm mode would turn off AIMEe and shut the shelter door. I also use wireless transmitter to transmit both solar axis and daylight detection for all remote outpost, therefore cutting down on materials I had to truck over.
That would work. I usually send the data on the main power cable that goes all over base. But this time I had fun engineering a new way to do it.
Instead of having to hook up CO2 into the room would it be easier just to throw a chicken in there?
Chooks need O2 to breathe and both of those things are flammable. Especially the chook
Also, chickens eat your crops.
Do chooks produce CO2 in the game? I had never considered it.
@@cowsareevil7514 Admittedly, I've never empirically tested it, but they supposedly respirate at about the same rate as the player.
5:05 Gas does not flow through a liquid exchanger, mick... Try again.
Yep, that was a noob thing to do.
EMPYRION/OSIRIS/PLANET CRAFTER
ALL have better space travel which is LACKING in
this game,MK1 MK2 shuttles? Modular ships?
AND work/reward risk/reward lets not forget about that,
this is rocketwerkz make or break considering the past of
the main dev.
For now it's not so much of a survival/exploration game,
more of a engineering light sim!
Let's all hope they do not fuck it up!