Detroit Red Wings DID NOT Control Their Own Destiny
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- čas přidán 16. 04. 2024
- Flannel Sam and Brandon "Detroit Kool-Aid" Dent discuss the Detroit Red Wings season in totality after their win over the Montreal Canadians for the final game of the season. Was it the Wings fault that they had to rely on another team to get them into the playoffs? Like, Subscribe and leave your comment below!
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Team points since Stevie came home:
39 -> 48 -> 74 -> 80 -> 91
And this is what folk isnt seeing is improvement. I am not on this witchhunt some are doing with Steve. I trust he will get it right.
@@evansdada2004 He already is getting it right. His first round picks are all either contributing or trending in the right direction. People forget how abysmal this team was when he took over.
Yes this is improvement and I understand some fans want the playoffs to happen sooner. We all do. I don’t think SY should be fired but he does have his work cut out. The defense isn’t better and the coaching isn’t better.
Next year 100
That’s right!!! People want overnight success!! I want a team that’s going to be relevant for a long time. LGRW
You better give Yzerman all the credit for a team that was torn down by Holland!!! We’re still paying off terrible contracts!! The defense moves were to fill holes based on the cap resources. If anyone is to blame, its Lalonde. I’m happy with the season because we improved!!! Sam, how long did it take Harbaugh to get Michigan great???
Bro Abdelkader buyout has a 1,055,556$ cap hit, you got Holl 3.4m for 2 more years, Chiarot 4.7 for 2 more years, Copp 5.8m for 3 more years. There are no terrible contracts from Holland left, if anything Yzerman signed some bad contracts that they will have to get rid of, Vrana was a 2.6m cap hit this year as well. They had cap space throughout the season ad 13million at the deadline what are you talking about they had no cap resources.
@@danb239 who were you going to sign at the deadline without giving up a ton of capital and paying a high contract for?? I’ll wait genius. My point of Holland was that this was the first year we actually had to spend a little money. Point being is that he did the right thing not giving up picks or our good prospects. He’s looking to be relevant for a long time not just giving up a bunch to make the playoffs!! Trust the Yzerplan… LGRW
@@rogerhorvath5193 I'm happy with the season because we improved!!! what a loser attitude they choked a 9 point cushion and had 7 game losing streak with 2 losses to the Coyotes then went 5-12-3. You got too many participation awards and pats on the back for doing nothing your whole life
@@rogerhorvath5193 Edit your comment after you call me stupid, your a douchebag and a pusy for talking shit online, say shit like that to my face and I would knock you out you fking coward. NO CONTRACTS FROM HOLLAND LEFT YOU FOOL THEY HAD PLENTY OF CAP SPACE, YZERMAN FILLED THE SPOTS ON DEFENSE WITH PETRY AND HOLL HOW DID THAT WORK OUT?
God it hurts my ears listening to flannel talk. Its like he doesnt watch the games and only cares about stats.
Sure, some of the d signing were "bad", but Id love to hear who would have been the better signing for good value at the time?
Also, as a middle of the pack team, they WILL go through stretches of win streaks and losing streaks. You cant blame the season on 1 bad stretch because you will go crazy. They could have easily lost games they were able to win just as much as they could have won more games they should have lost.
And, you really think Lalonde is really the issue because hes calm in the interviews and think hes the same in the locker room? You think he doesnt call out his players? He even said in an presser that he does call out his players and has hard discussions with them behind closed doors. Just because he doesnt publicly criticise his players doesnt mean it doesnt happen behind the scenes. This isnt the nfl. Coaches in the nhl are mostly calm during pressers and interviews and everything happens behind the closed doors.
Also you sign vets to help the younger players, its not like the nfl where a rookie can just slot in and be fine. If you do, you become Buffalo, just alot of young talent with 0 guidance.
You really think any of the guys in the locker room are just "happy to be here"? I dare you to go ahead and ask Larks, Perron, Copp that question and accuse them of just being "happy to be here". But you wont, so I guess you guys are softer than tissue.
How can you sit there and say the wings didnt take a step? They went from out of playoff contention at the trade deadline to fighting for playoff contention at game 82. Yes they ultimately didnt make it, yes, losing streaks, blah blah blah. But they learned some hard lessons this season and will grow from it.
God I cant wait for Neal and DMac to rip you a new one.
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He’s a fool
Red Wings made serious improvements over last year.
They were fun to watch and will be better next season…
"We will be better next season"
Lalonde doesn't seem to think so.
This.
Everyone is so negative.
@@leopetaccia1012 The coaching staff failed. Lalonde needs to go. Gerard Gallant would be a good fit even Sergi Fedorov.
@@stevebell4853what did he say
@@joextreme No chance for Gallant. I think Fedorov’s the missing link, honestly. He and Stevie achieved a tonne of success together and that connection may very well still have some value left.
Coaching didn’t completely fail. There’s a reason the Wings were a top 10 offensive team for most of the season, Yzerman’s intelligent depth signings notwithstanding. It takes decent coaching to get the most out of these guys.
And it’s been a long time since the Wings have had this many double digit goal scorers in one season.
That losing skid in March stained what I think was otherwise a marked improvement over last year and an otherwise entertaining season.
Just my opinion, but I think their most pressing issue is defensive depth. Our second and third d lines have to be better.
And we need another young talent to come up from GR, to keep the fire alive. My money’s on Kasper to be on the roster at some point next year.
And yes, maybe they need to replace Lalonde.
Losing twice against AZ and blowing a 4 goal lead against SJ doesnt happen and we're not having this conversation. That being said, Uncle Fester as HC is not the answer- we need 2 more D-men to ramp up. Yzerman is building a long term 10 year plan, this isnt like the NFL but they should have made the playoffs this year.
Sam on Lalonde: No truth. Just talk out of your rear. No media presence when there are rumors about a different tone in the locker room. I don't care about the context of what was going on. Lalonde should've just made them win.
Flannel Sam can be quite the joke.
By Flannel's take, Torts should be on the hot seat in Philly also. Their collapse was as epic as the Wings. If he thinks what Lalonde says to the press = how he coaches, that's laughable.
Flannel You can't be serious, are you? How quickly you and others forget that Wings hasn't had any lottery luck yet still the team came that dangerously close to making the playoffs for a defense you say is putrid. Yes, the offense carried the team for the most part but there was still some flashes of defensive plays that made some sort of small impact. The great Scotty Bowman once said: "The defense is the hardest part of a team to build". Can we get better defensively? Absolutely, but not at the expense of relinquishing future assets setting the team further back. Ask Ken Holland how'd that work out? Yzerman literally said there is enough depth and he was spot on. That amazing performance just needed to come in March. I still view this season as a success despite missing playoffs. They remind me a lot of the lions run in 2022 where they came close to making playoffs but fell short due to them putting their fate in another team's hand. The following season the lions made playoffs. You can say the same for the lions if you want to point out bad defense. The lions defense isn't good but have a great offense and still came that dangerously close to the Super bowl for a team with not great defense themselves. See the correlation? I'm not saying not to do anything for the defense because Yzerman is doing the best he can with what he's able to do with no lottery luck without relinquishing future assets. The Wings is capable, obviously. This is on the players not Yzerman. We are not going to relinquish future assets for short-term success. I'm happy with the Wings improvement this season despite missing playoffs. This season has been nothing short of remarkable. The expectation is to see improvement every season and Yzerman has met that expectation thus far. You're take is putrid. I'm sick and tired of the whining about Yzerman
Well said. I was thinking the same thing. You articulated that better than i could have. Huge bummer we couldnt make it after those last 3 games but im excited to see what moves can be made in the off season. Hopefully yzerman can get rid of the holl contract somehow. This team is getting close and we have a deep prospect pool still. We have to give Lalonde at least 1 more season. Im not convinced the couple bad months we had were all the coaching staffs fault. We had at least 3-4 guys hurt in the bad December stretch. We have the best fans in the country. Keep the faith and LGRW!!
Flannel is a dumb ass and shouldn’t be any where near a hockey discussion!!!
@robertg4253 I was watching this team in the 70s !! The problem is that people got spoiled until the salary cap came to fruition and we found out how terrible Holland is as a GM!!! It takes time to build a great team. How long did it take Harbaugh to make Michigan great??? Enough said
Making the playoffs is not hard, half the league makes it. All you have to do is be a top-half-of-the-league team.
This team has former cup winners, great depth, and the young guys are emerging. There is NO excuse to miss the playoffs. Let alone Lalonde saying we might not even be back here next season. It’s bad leadership, selling your own team short.
Screw tanking. 2020 was why I will never root for them to lose out anymore. NHL will never let the wings have the first pick
If Lalonde had the balls to scratch Petry during the loosing streak they would have made the playoffs
He scratched Holl. Who's he supposed to dress? He didn't build the roster lol
@@kevinrasmussen1319 Yea you play Holl, Petry was terrible, no accountability for him
Literally says they don’t want to hear the regression to the mean talk and goes on to describe Compher, Sprong, Veleno, and Fabri regress to the mean of what they typically score at over an 82 season.
Exactly!! They are what we call, role players..
Hey Kyle Szwed, Larkin is not getting traded. That’s insane. He’s not only one of the best players he’s also the leader. Not to mention you’re not likely to get proper value for that trade. You aren’t getting 3 first round picks.
Whoever thinks Larkin should be traded knows nothing about hockey!!! He’s the Heart and soul of this team. Look what happened when he was out
The answers for next season are easy: 1-We need a REAL HC. Lalonde is pitiful 2- We need a complete 2nd line. Thats a HUGE issue as Copp-JT-Ras should be our 3rd line(the most expense 3rd line in history Stevie thanks🙄) Maybe resign Kane? Even though he kind of worn out his welcome end of the season. Stamkos? Can Berg and Kasper help?? Thats a huge issue and will be interesting to see how SY goes about it 3-Goalie 4-Defense. Drop the dead weight. Maybe the young guys can help because I don't see much options here. Fix those 4 things and we are a playoff team next year.
Flannel made some valid points. In hindsight, Petry and Holl were bad, but they were a backstop because not everyone was sure about Edvinson recovery from injury at the start of the season. Not sure u could do about the goaltending, you dont mortgage your future for an old goaltender. Maybe there is a move to be made on one of Boston goalies. The only thing i blame Yzerman for, this year, was not forcing Edvinson in the roster quicker. I wanted him at the start of the year, and his growing on the team would have only improved the team, now and in the future.
Flannel on the money. Hate the guy for different opinions or not he’s 100% on the money this time. Fire this Newsy chump.
I’m not a fan of Lalonde either but who would we bring in?
Been a lifelong fan. Proud as hell that I got to see my team basically play in a playoff like setting down the stretch and we did better than people gave us. Was bummed out a lot last night, but I see this team making the playoffs if that defense is fixed. Well I’m not a fan of Lalonde, I will give him next year to prove to me that he belongs here. That Washington and Pittsburgh loss hurts badly now.
Flannels mouth is bigger than his head
Can’t stand that dude…
Not as big as his ego.
I'm not sweating the big picture. I'm not even sweating missing the playoffs, although that doesn't feel great. I'm not sweating the 7 game slide because thats in the past and the past is nothing to fear. Do you know what I'm sweating? Its the fact that less than a week ago, Derek Lalonde was sendiing a message out that we might not even be able to get back to this position next year and we havent even done anything this year......so thats already a low bar to aim for, and he just lowered it even more.
Thats what I'm sweating on.
I'm not sure thats the message I really want to recieve.
Flannel has no idea what it means to be a 500 team. Yes we imploded with a 7 game losing streak but we also never should have won 6 in a row. What flannen doesn't want to accept has no bearing on this team
Makes no sense bud. Bottom line is. This team should have never have lost 7 in a row.
@@Nall412 I'm going to play devil's advocate, and for the record I'm on the same page as you but I've got to throw this out there because it should be part of the conversation.
That 7 game slide alledgedly coincided with a flu bug that ripped through the locker room. So......
1) Do you buy that? Or does that smell of BS to you?
2) If you do buy it, isn't that a mitigating factor?
Should have never won 6 in a row? WTF you taking about? 6 in a row isn't a big deal, the Oilers won 16 in a row.
@@danb239 yeah, and they will lose in the playoffs
They didn’t control their own destiny, AFTER blowing an 8 point cushion for a wild card spot. The Wings moved forward by a decent amount, it’s the fact they sagged down the stretch that’s pissed everyone off. Including Yzerman, who I expect to do a lot in the off season to make sure the playoff drought ends.
Not much to do in terms of free agents
@@achillesninja What do you mean? There is Stamkos, Reinhart, Guentzel, Stephenson, Marchessault, Teravainen, Duschene, Pavelski, Joshua, Montour, Pesce, Myers
@@danb239 all old and will want more than a year. Most anit going to Detroit. Let's be real. There isn't a stud free agent out there that can do damage and is young.
Inconsistent effort and lack of the coaching staff holding people accountable was a common thread throughout the season. In the end, that theme screwed the Red Wings. Lalonde deserves to be dismissed (but he won’t be)
Sam is basically bad butters or timmy and Jimmy from South Park
The veteran goalies and defense men are a means to an end. They will be replaced by really good prospects in the near future. This teams roster will change drastically the next few years, which was the plan when you hired all these old guys. They are place holders. The real win here is the improvement of reymond, sieder, and edvisson. I agree with getting a new coach but thats about it.
BUT -- We have the Chat GPT Bally's host! He doesn't just call the game - he knows we don't give a shit about play by play action. So when puck is live he'll tells us how the other team's 3rd line center was "Drafted 31st overall in 2012" and how "Ben Charot played with that guy during the Cup Finals 3 years ago* and how "That player's Dad is from Bakersfield" and of course "he's got 14 points, in 17 games and today, he's got 3 points, in 3 periods" ----and he'll say all this - while the puck is live in play. We've got the first Chat GPT live host!
The Red Wings were one of the worst teams down that stretch, and right before that they were one of the best teams in the NHL. And guess what? They're a .500 team and they found their average.
"FIRE LALONDE THEY LOST TO ARIZONA TWICE!" Yet everyone is talking about the Caps coach for Jack Adams and they got blown out by Arizona 6-0 and 5-2
Scratch that he's Cartman, "where's my 100 point season, I want my cheesy 100 point season, waaaaaaah!" Obviously these guys know more about building a team than professionals, and how long did it take to build your darling Lions??? Derr derr derr derr.
He doesn't know hockey,, look what's going on in GR , thats what builds your core. This isn't football.
Yzerman hasn't found the right head coach yet. Jeff Blashill was never going to get it done and should have been fired after his second season and Derek Lalonde hasn't proven he can get it done. Need a head coach with NHL winning experience.
🤣😂😂😂. What exactly did u expect Blashill to get done lol? During his years here in Detroit.
They were garbage. Because the players were garbage old past their primes or a bunch of scrub 3rd and 4 th line players. He had nothing to work with
Fire Gru
In the year 2024, how is it that the Flyers weren’t aware they were mathematically eliminated prior to pulling their goalie in a tie game?
When there’s no defense or goalies available for singing, you don’t have the pick of the litter, you have the left overs to choose from and hope they do good.
Yzerman= Holmes trust the process, but i do agree on Lalonde that's it
Flannel only bringing up stats and not around team defense, schemes, and strategies kinda tells me he doesn't actually watch games... Dude keeps saying buzz words for engagement but doesn't actually explain his points lmao. Dude looks at player points and team standings and that's it. I get they have 4 sports to cover and the Wings are always the last thought but if he doesn't 100% know the reason why he has a stance besides "They imploded" or "They made bad free agent signings" or "Lalonde is to blame" I don't think he should be talking about it, it's been literal weeks and he just throws out the same lines.
The reasons why Florida is so damn good is because how they scheme their gameplan; how they insulate their goalie and how they keep consistent offensive pressure by having d-men jump up and forwards drop back to take away open ice, two things the Wings don't do. Yes the wings made bad signings, but they were stop gaps for guys like Sandin-Pellika, Johannsen, and Wallinder to develop so we didn't have to throw them to the wolves. The goalies have been inconsistent but all 3 this year have been inconsistent but that leads back to the wings not having a good defensive scheme, also Cossa has been fantastic on the Griffins this year so he might solve the goalie issue sooner than we think.
Flannel is a textbook fairweather fan and only knows surface level info on the team. I get the Lions and Tigers are more popular but it's really annoying when half the guys on the show don't know what they're talking about besides "Playoffs" or "Points" when they talk about hockey.
Damn i really just turned into one of those paragraph writing mfs huh lmao
You guys really need to stop comparing the Lions success and quick build of a team to the red wings building a team. The nfl is way easier to build a team than in the nhl. NFL draft players that are NFL ready. NHL prospects take longer to reach the NHL level. it should only take about 2- 3 years to turn around a NFL team with the right staff with a team that has nothing. NHL where the Red Wings were at when Yzerman took over i figured it would take 6-7 years to be a playoff team because he wanted to first build up the farm system and then go from there. The Red Wings are at where they should be in this process.
The team wasn't expected to make the playoffs. Not even close. Not even a little bit. Stevie even said it out loud, during pre-season media availability, don't expect playoffs. So let's quit blaming everyone else because you got suckered into boarding the hype train and riding it right off the cliff. The fact is, we played meaningful hockey all the way up to the very end. That's a huge step forward. This offseason, we need to improve on D, and I have confidence that Stevie will try to do just that.
Most experts picked them to be a lottery team
No they didn't. Wings weren't picked to be in playoffs by most but many thought they could contend for a playoff spot.
@@spencerdobkin9479 most people outside of Detroit had them finishing 6-8 in the division.
Listen to all of the talk about how this was a good season. It was good at times but overall, you don't make the playoffs in the NHL your team is not good.
All the flaws this team had were there all season. This team was a peak and valley team. The whole season seemed to be broken down into streaks of run hot and streaks of awful. We never really saw what they really were, which is an average .500 team. Which is why they were so frustrating. Looking forward to what Yzerman thinks of the season and how well it matches what all the talking heads have been spouting the last 6 weeks or so.
Did flannel guy just roll out of bed and start this show? 😂
Nah, he smoked a mushbrain amount of crack before this video.
he slithered out of his mom's basement
These two have a good chemistry. Who's the African American guy Brandon Dent? He's talented too. Flannel Sam is one of the better hosts. Get some better drops though.
Remember when th lions missed the playoffs to the Seahawks because the rams couldn’t win yea that’s where the wings are rn in the rebuild
I am proud of this team
I don‘t know the guy with the flannel,but he doesn‘t know the game and the work of a GM.
DUUUURRRR im Dmac smoking pot for breakfast DUUUURRRR DUUUHHHHH
Flannel is 100% right on this. 💯💯
The black guy is right! "PERIOD!"
Andrew Copp & Robby Fabri have to go…… Holl & chariot are trash and wasting cap space. (Also petry)
Sign a better second like center and another top 9 forward, outside of Sieder, Wallman, and Ghost. Get rid of everyone & bring other D-men in.
Continue to focus on defense mainly in the draft and sign another filler goalie to backup Lyon and Husso ( or finally addressing the problem helps).
you are wrong !!!!! There are studs in Grand Rapids, that are waiting to get to Detroit.... if you dont give them the shot, what are they doing....
Temporary passengers 💡
Flannel Pam
Who is this bearded lesbian? Detroit sports media is so negative. I understand having high expectations but damn, it's the NHL and the Redwings were a mid team all season with no real superstar. This team has a long way to go and they've only gotten better under Lalonde
In my lifetime the lions haven't done shit. The Red Wings won four Stanley Cup. They will get there again and win a cup before the Lions win a superbowl.
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Ya’ll are nuts. There was only a minor improvement. Results just out of the playoffs. Just like always. The team almost never plays a complete game. The goaltending was bad. The defense was bad. The team is horribly coached. They had a real hard time mentally. Even the last two come-from-behind wins they played like crap until the last second. But the coaching was the worst part. And I’m starting to turn on Stevie. This is his show. Even if they had made the playoffs they weren’t going anywhere. It’s still a below average team.
We gotta remember that Steve Yzerman is building a Cup winning team…
not just one that sneaks into the playoffs …remember the early
90’s when it looked as though little progress was coming…
This team has heart…
The catalyst for an upper echelon team that will become a serious contender every year….
For me its not just that the D and the goaltending is bad, its that they have been consistently bad for YEARS. Why are these areas still broken after all this time? Stevie fixed the offense in like 1 year.....one hot summer to bring a big improvement, and there has been ZERO improvement on the back end in 5 years, this is what pisses me right off.
When your D and your goaltending is consistently bad over the tenure of two different coaches, thats when you know its cultural.
A rebuild doesn’t happen fast. They take around 8-10 years. Its unfortunate. But. It’s the way you build a dynasty team.
@@nickstalker3254 Again, almost no progress in 4 seasons. Just making it into the playoffs in the NHL is not exactly a lofty goal. Once they manage to make the playoffs the real problems start trying to get thru the playoffs. At this pace it simply won't ever happen. And it doesn't take 8-10 years. Many teams have done it much faster. I was around when the Wings sucked hard. I watched them drafty Yzerman. I watched it all. The very biggest improvement the entire time was getting Scotty Bowman. This is where they need to concentrate. The coaching is still not cutting it. The coaching is coaching to it's level of capability right now. What turned the Lions around? No different.
@@oldjarhead386 they also built those teams through the draft, and they were shitty for a minute before they won anything.
Flannel has to go back to what ever job he had before!!!!! PLEASE STOP LETTING THIS MAN TALK!!!!! NO CLUE ABOUT SPORTS BRO. STAY BEHIND THE SCENES!!!!!
Flannel you dont know hockey man this is sad they recovered from that 7 game win streak and it came down to the last game of the year and the team has improved every year since stevie got here from 39 points to 91 points and missing the playoffs on a dumb tie breaker stevie has taken the shit show from holland and he has turned it around so much the bad contacts the no prospects he has cleaned up the books got us probably the best prospect pool in the nhl and with no lottery luck drafted seider who goes top 3 in a re draft and raymond who goes number 2 in a redraft and buddy stop harping on the 5 12 and 2 strech they recovered they won all three of there last games witch were all must win games and i believe they tied all three with under a min left won 2 in ot and the last one in a shootout they clutched up at the end of the season and showed they can fight and they wanted to make playoffs and that they wanna win no one is just happy to be there what a joke you would even say that the wings have always had something when there bad or good they work hard they put in effort every game dont give me that just happy to be here crap what a joke and lalonde is a good coach just because he is calm in the media doesnt mean he is like that in the locker room he has said he is hard on players holds them accountable and had hard conversations with them and he is a winning coach he won with tampa i have faith in him stevie chose him and yeah maybe stevie didnt make amazing dman free agent signings but there wasnt really manh available he added what he could and ya maybe we didnt need to trade for petry i agree with that 100 percent but getting debrincat and kaner a plus moves sprong and compher very good moves too the defense ghost was solid holl was awful and petry was ok edvinsson tho came in and looked very good so he should make the team next year overall we are really only in like year 3 of our rebuild stevie had to clear the books and id say with our prospect pool and the young guys on the team already we will be a dangerous team for 25 plus years agian and im looking forward to it i believe in stevie and you know what to be honest we kinda need more lottery picks to offset use not getting a top 3 pick but number 14 or 15 whatever we will have is brutal we chose to pick going for the playoffs and we just missed out so now stevie has to work his magic and pick the right player at 14 or 15 and then next year i know we will make playoffs
18m of tears.. my God
It is time for steve y Get his a** fired.
Time for you guys to root for the Caps!