"Barbarians" Season 2: Uninspired by Historical Events
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Is "Barbarians" season 2 historically accurate?
Well, at least they don't have those bracer things.
00:00 Intro
00:19 Historical Background
01:31 Characters
02:03 Tiberius
02:51 Germanicus
03:59 Marbod
05:44 Flavus
08:27 Dido
09:16 Gaius
09:41 Thusnelda and Segestes
11:30 Problems with the Season
14:09 Outro
Footage:
Netflix's "Barbarians" (2020 - 2022)
"Gladiator" (2003)
Music:
Imperator: Rome Soundtrack - We The People
Imperator: Rome Soundtrack - Moment of Battle
Imperator: Rome Soundtrack - The Mediterranean
Imperator: Rome Soundtrack - Tyrenum
They have a black woman in the middle of germania who hates Rome because they sacked Carthage 200 years before. Also, Carthaginians were not black.
no, in show continuity the Romans sacked Carthage in 2 BC. Germanicus led the whole thing.
@@RomabooRamblings Yeah but that makes as much sense as making a continuity where Boris Johnson is the one who burned down the White House in the war of 2020.
What are you talking about? Of course carthaginians are black. Look at the continent it's called africa. It's like how indians are basically samurai because they're asians.
@@RomabooRamblings Germanicus matured very quickly already in the flashback when he was 11 he looked like a grown man
@@RomabooRamblings Please be joking.
Clearly you missed the scene where Dido accidentally steps into a magic time portal that sends her 150 years forward in time.
Was Germanicus holding her hand?
Maybe Amazigh or Abyssinia might have been good idea.
Former being a thorn on Romans even after Vandal conquest, and latter did have conflict with Rome even if they negotiated after taking few forts.
@@russell3521 I think he was suggesting they switch the focus between different roman enemies in different seasons, cycling between them, not having guest stars in each other's regions
@@RomabooRamblings Next season Germanicus steps through the same portal back to the 3rd Punic War so he could kill Dido's dad, completing the timeloop.
Yeah, I was more talking about backstory changes.
Plus I wouldn’t mind Germanicus being villain since I had speculation of season 2 being tragic ending where he bring death to Germania and Segestes backstabbing Arminius.
Heck him and his brother Flavus would have been good rival arc.
Yeah, it did kinda jump the shark a lot.
I thought season 2 would have been (if obvious) closure.
With all the crazy fanfic bullsh*t this season was packed with (Varus's son banging a German chief, Mary Sue Thusnelda, the anachronistic carthaginian girl that joined the Germans, etc), I honestly expected that the series would end with Hannibal and Attila walking out of a portal, saving Thusnelda from the Romans and telling her: "We have come here to tell you about the barbarian initiative"
A post-credit scene where they invite them into the "Barbarians" initiative.
Thought you were gonna say 'its barbarin' time'
i didnt get the memo saying the carthaginians were supposed to be black, or were going in trips to germania perhaps by plane or something
@@venturebros2000 you silly goose, they lived in Africa and were therefore black, because North Africans and Sub Saharan Africans are exactly the same
@@connorhudock1950 that's quacking right my fellow avian
Its hilarious that the show makes multi-ethnic multi-cultural multi-religious Rome to be to the xenophobic ones and the homogenous Germanic tribes the opposite.
The Germanic "tribes" were not homogenous. They had cultural and linguistic differences that have been long overlooked due to German nationalism.
@@TheWoollyFrog yes I know. Let me rephrase. Comparing the Roman Empire to the Germanic tribes makes the latter seem Homogenous
@@TheWoollyFrog "german nationalism". What the hell you even on about. The germanic tribes had so much in common, that they fought together against the romans. To act like they don't have a cultural identity is revisionist history.
Sure there were differences, but there were many many more similiarities.
@@mrfreeman2911 No there weren't. They spoke Proto-Germanic languages and dialects according to their region as part of a language continuum. They also had different cultural practices that the Romans wrote down and created unique artefacts. The fight against the Romans was a coalition of necessity. Afterwards, their cultural difference prevailed. I see you bought into that whole 'Germany above all' mindset. Ironic to claim revisionism in this case.
@@TheWoollyFrog so why didn't they form one with the French?
Or with eastern areas, such as poles etc?
You know the answer.
I think season 3 will be thusnelda vs the Roman empire and will easily claim victory, kidnap old Augustus and become the Roman empress.
We thought Livia killed Augustus, while it was Thusnelda all along
@@RomabooRamblings 🤣🤣🤣
I think Arminius is going to walk into Rome himself and single-handedly destroy the Roman Empire and kill Augustus and the rest of the Julio-Claudian dynasty. I mean it might as well happen at this point, even the show Spartacus was more faithful to history.
I already knew what a disaster this season was going to be since it was announced that the history consultants of the first season quit during the production of the second one due to the gigantic amount of creative liberties that were taken. Not even the History Channel docu-series "Barbarians Rising", the one with the black Hannibal, was that bad, since it, at least, tried to show a more realistic morality on the different sides of the roman-barbarian conflicts (it shows the burning of temples full of people by Boudica and the villainy of Attila and Geiseric). You know you REALLY screwed up when History Channel does a better job than you...
Yeah I disliked that show but after season 2 of Barbarians, I was wishing they had hired some of the people responsible for Barbarians Rising, at least they got Flavus somewhat right.
@@revanius2213 The episodes about Boudica and Attila are pretty decent, to be honest. I liked how Boudica was portrayed here as a loving mother who became the monster she tried to fight and the despair of Aetius due to the disinterest of Valentinian III (who they represented quite well) against the relentless Hun
For the issue of either Hannibal is a black or not, none really know that for sure, and could be right actually since their neighboring Egyptian are closely related genetically with Nubian than Hittites or Sumerian, thus probably after intermixed with the local there could have such skin tone, and still encapsuled as Asian-African ethnic group.
@@williemherbert1456 I'm not trying to start some stupid fight, just going to point out a distance fact, Italy is 1000 km from where Carthage is, and Egypt is 2000 km.
@@revanius2213 I said intermixed with the local, they were originally Phoenician from the Canaanite ethnic group, do you think when they land into what later on being Carthage to be only barren wasteland that has no one ever occupied? Read the epic story of how Carthage being founded, it was given as land grant by local chieftain to Dido under the pretext only cover the land as wide as the animal hide being given.
Even those ancient Mesopotamian also are not even white in any condition, heck even more tan than their Arabian counterpart, their skin are literally described colored like bronze. But I agree, they should just bring Berber or Tunisian for that role, though even they're not closely resembling the original looks of the Carthaginian, it's just asking too much tbh. But again, at least the black actor that played role as Hannibal actually able to spot on in acting accurately as they possibly could.
What, you want a Maghrebi Arab to depict the role as Hannibal even though they have staggering difference of look with their old ancestor? It's like trying to depict Egyptian Old Kingdom by those 40's and 50's film producer, none are ever able to depict what the ancient Egyptian looks like despite they literally have closer resemblance with the modern Sudanese, more or less.
I honestly don't know why you and other roman history channels won't talk about the 4th Punic War. General Hannibal Lecter's final charge against the Romans was the stuff of legends!
His most genius tactique was eating the roman soldiers
Man his ritual cannibalism was a brilliant tactic of Psychological warfare!
Sir Anthony Hopkins is a time traveler, a skill which is of a piece with his great acting. Would fit into S2 of this.
What are you talking about rome was clearly superior don't you remember Neptune bombarding Carthage with thousands of Seashells
There was actually a lesser known village in Germania also called Carthage made of a few mud huts that was burnt down by 5 year old Germanicus playing with matches that Tiberius gave him.
Germanicus then took the the 3 items of somewhat value from the ashes...completing the sack of Carthage, in Germania, which is populated by immigrants from West Africa who were there on student visas.
Having a Carthaginian refugee in this show is like having an Asian American loyalist refugee in modern Mexico
Not only is she 200 years after her civilization fell, any refugees would have gone in the opposite direction, and she’s the wrong color because Carthaginians were white/yellow (according to Egyptian art depicting people from their mother country of Phoenicia) skinned, like modern middle eastern people
If you want a black person to somehow be in Germania at this time you could go with an escaped Numidian slave, who is the child of someone who survived the conquest of Numidia 50 years earlier, but even they would look more like modern day Berbers, or you could have an imported slave that escaped, brought north by Tuareg slave traders
But no refugee is going to escape to someone on the opposite side of their enemy, across seas, deserts, and mountains all controlled by said enemy
They didn’t even think about this for 1 minute
I'd say that sacking of Nubian Napata in 23 BC would make the most sense for her backstory.
@@alkopolityk They could have used an deserter of the numidian auxilia cavalry if they wanted a more diverse cast (while these were northern african, not sub-sahara). Although I do not know for sure if these units were used in Germania at this time. Given the rather harsh discipline of the Roman army, it would have been a piece of cake to create a motivation to desert (sleeping on guards duty f. e.). But this Carthaginian story is so bonkers...
Indeed, Numidian were never black same with Tuaregs, Tuaregs were big time slavers tho so it makes sense some black people have assimilated our culture and language. Just look at our kings Massinisa and Jughurta,Syphax etc
@@TheWoollyFrog sure thing buddy, please do humor me with your pseudo history take on my people.
@@TheWoollyFrogLmao enlighten us please
I mean to be fair the Romans have been written to have fought Dragons, having fought one of the fell beasts on the way to Carthage during the First Punic War. The reasons they carried stakes to Romania was also due to the Vampires who led the Dacians, and not the commonly thought of reasons of fortified camps. So as far as I’m concerned, Dido had simply sacrificed fifty newborns like her ancestors in Israel did before being driven out by the Israelites, and Baal created a time vortex to slip her damn near one hundred years in the future.
Though honestly, I wouldn't mind a historical fantasy series based on the Roman Empire. Indeed anything
"NETFLIX, WHERE ARE THE ACCURACIES? GIVE ME BACK MY MONEY!!!"
*Brian Blessed while watching Barbarians*
Dido is as absurd as a modern-day Spainiard hating France for the acts of Napoleon in the 19th-century.
Season 1 was already oversimplified with its portrayal of Hegemonic Imperialists conquering a free people, but portrayed the Roman Empire from an outsider's perspective, something we don't see often. In Season 2, the real history became more morally grey, so the writers altered history to fit their insane message. It's insulting how disingenuous it is.
Well I hate the French for many other reasons too but do you know that besides the horror and the slaughter they also desecrated the graves of our historical figures like El Gran Capitan? They took his skull which remains lost till this day and no descendants of the graverobber (General Horace Sebastianni) has returned the remains...
Or a modern Irish person hating the English for the Famine, something you can see on the internet basically every day?
I kind of doubt something like that could happen in the ancient world without modern-style nationalism, but it's not entirely insane.
@@cmur078 the Irish famine decimated Ireland so thoroughly the population is still under pre-famine numbers, bad comparison (your not gonna see Jews forgiving nazis whenever the holocaust reaches the 200 year date or a better comparison Ukrainians with the Holodomor).
By that point in Roman history the majority of 'Carthaginians' would be itallo-provincial colonists resettled into the region, they weren't the phonecians of old Carthage they held no real ties to the ancient Punics so a Carthaginian in Germany 200+ years after the fact holding that grudge is insane as fuck given the fact she would almost certainly not be a punic.
Another thing that infuriates me is how eaily the barbarians cut down 10-15 legionnaires single handedly with ease? Looks like the Legions where legitimately ragged off the street rather than the historically accurate fully trained competent soldiers of the time...
Right, and their armor is absolutely worthless
@@RomabooRamblings Stormtrooper armour and soldiers looked more effective.
It is bizarre that anyone looked at Dido & thought "Yes, this is history". I could kind of understand a show's writing & budget getting worse after the first season, but someone in the team for season one must have cared about history. Were they asleep on the job?
Apparently the historical consultant resigned mid-production
She doesn't even look like a North African anyway. I'm guessing she was shoehorned in the show for virtue signalling purposes only.
@@RomabooRamblings which means they didn't want to listen to the consultant and were basically pitching ideas to see which ones they could get away with doing.
For a historian who loves the history, it must be super annoying to find out that they only care about your opinion if it already fits with what they want & actually don't give two shots about the history. They just wanted the consultant to advertise that they used a consultant.
That’s the thing tho, they actually DO care about history, they REALLY care about it, specifically about inserting Black Supremacist pseudo history into the mainstream.
@@RomabooRamblings im not suprised why
Even popular history channels here on CZcams have started depicting the Carthaginians as black, which is absolutely infuriating for anyone who knows real history.
Same with the Numidians and ancient Libyans, this narrative pushed on by woke people and Afrocentrics it’s really deceiving. People that don’t know how to fact check or find verified sources will just gobble it up and question people who has verified sources to their claim but they don’t wanna hear it.
_In Season 3, I will step into a time warp and end up in Rome in 15 AD. The senators will mock me for my Punic provincial heritage, I will lock them in the Curia, machine gun them to death, and set Rome ablaze. Then I will sail to Carthage, stage a coup against the local government with the aid of a butler, 3 underpaid militiamen, a basket weaver and 2 actresses. I will then proclaim the rebirth of Punic Carthage and build a space rocket to travel to Mars and turn it into a Carthaginian colony._
I sure am glad I haven't seen this dreck.
... dont write this... i am really worry you will inspire Netflix...
Its Insane how a show managed to go from very flawed but still very enjoyable from both a entertaining perspective and historical perspective in one season to absolute shit in its second in both categories
insane? this is standard now.
Netflix for you. They wanted a black woman and gay Germanic chiefs because of THE MESSAGE. They shit on historical accuracy. As a german this makes me sad, because it would have been so cool to have a nicely done series about Rome and its wars in Germania.
Btw. The gay germanic chief was Turkish and as a German you can really hear his accent. Also he looks Turkish.
Didn't know there were Turks living as chiefs among the Germanic people of Central Europe in 9 AD.....
@@randomdude2026 According to some panturkists, sumerians and ancient egyptians were turks so why not german tribes?
Maybe Netflix was just trying to gain fans among the AKP 🤷♂
@@Harakengardpan-Turkists are terrible historians. Everyone from Neil Armstrong, Queen Elizabeth I and II, Alexander the Great and Adolf Hitler were really in fact “Turkish”
@@randomdude2026homosexuality was common in Germania and ancient Rome in that period
So how was it in the writer room?
- Okay, we MUST include a strong black female character.
- You realize that black people at that time lived almost exclusively in Africa?
- So what?
- That's a long way from Germania and they don't even speak the same langage.
- Don't care! She goes to Germania!
- Right...why?
- To take revenge against the evil romans by joining another people fighting them!
- You realize they were plenty of people fighting romans that were a lot more accessible to her in terms of geography and culture?
- Maybe but they're not marketable. We need big dirty german barbarians AND black females fighting together!
- That makes no sense...
- What?
- Nothing. And why do she wants to so eagerly fight the romans that she needs to cross half a continent to reach people that would have more likely enslaved her?
- Germans didn't enslave anyone.
- Actually...
- They didn't! Because I need the big dirty germans to be the heroes and heroes in movies can't do anything not conforming to modern standards.
- That's not how History works...
- What?
- Nothing. So why the revenge?
- Because evil romans destroyed her home and killed her family. And their leader was the roman antagonist.
- How oringinal...
- What?
- Nothing. And that home she came from is...
- Carthage.
- Sorry?
- Carthage.
- ...
- What again?!
- You realize the war between Rome and Carthage happened 2 centuries before the events we tell, right?
- Don't care. Who gonna notice anyway?
- Thinkning the audience are idiots sure bring you a long way...
- Can't you please stop mumbling?
- Sure. And how successful is she at revenge.
- Effortlessly slaughtering romans, of course.
- Of course... (sigh) Everybody knows that gender differences in fighting is just a myth and that dirty barbarians growing up in the wild are ten times stronger than heavily trained and armed soldiers with actual experience of warfare because being a woman or a barbarian magically makes you a superhuman.
- You get it! That's how it is in most movies and historical fiction so that must be true, right?
- (Did you even consider reading actual history books for your historical show?)
- So what do you think?
- Honestly?
- Of course not! Should I rephrase?: "tell me what I want to hear, than it's amazing so that I can have the green light and put your name as historical advisor in the credits to prove the show is backed down by reasearch when I actually didn't give a damn about it". Got it?
- Yes.
- (Listening) So?
- (Inspire)
- So?
- GO F* YOURSELF, I'M ASKING FOR MY NAME BEING REMOVED.
(fun fact: historical advisors on this show actually all did).
Well on the barbarian part being better fighters I would argue in a 1v1 this held true to a small degree. Romes soldiers strengths laid in their discipline and unity (their equipment also is fitted to fight in thightly packed situations) whilst warriors of the Germanic tribes were mostly skilled and trained in 1v1 combat (also their weapon choices had more range a definite advantage in a small engagement).
I have read once something like 10 babarians being stronger than 10 romans, but 100 romans can handily defeat 200 barbarians.
BTW as a sidenote you forgot to mention how they constantly decapitate ppl with a gladius😂 definitely very historical and accurate.
Its obvious, that inserting a black woman in a show about the germanic people is not about facts, but about blackwashing history. Leftists and woke people dont care for facts at all. They are fanatic about their social-equality-agenda and so in every show there are blacks that are always superior, good, non criminal wise and intelligent and white thugs. The reality looks a bit different when 13 % blacks in the USA commit 60 % of the crimes, but they dont care.
I've always preferred the Romans to the Barbarians but Arminius was someone I liked and his story was interesting. But seriously I hate how they always depict the Romas as this evil organization without even thinking about how such an empire would work. I mean making Germanicus a brilliant commander and hero of the Roman people into some evil xenophobic joke was infuriating. Oh and the Carthage thing really got me angry, they didn't seem to know that by then Roman Carthage was the capital of a Roman Province and was on its way to being the fourth-largest city in the Empire.
That is the American vs Natives mentality,, noble savages myth, a disease that developed by Americans and now has spread all over the world. When you have two opposing forces in a conflict: One represents a simpler way of thinking, a less organized society, a tribal lifestyle and one represents a complex society, empire, agriculture, or industry then the latter would be automatically bad no matter the skin color, the civilization or how the empire was formed in the first place.
hollywood writers can't write nuanced stories.
They have to have the good vs evil story, as the writers have no talent. Hollywood has lost most of its good writers and replaced them with the alphabet people.
As a roman history nerd this kind of inaccuracy is infuriating they could have made up a completely different character Dickus Maximus Centurion who is on a genocidal bend rather than mess up Germanicus who's easy going attitude is the reason his soldiers loved him and who campaigned across the Rhine to show the Germans who was boss not just to be pointlessly cruel
@@therandomnessnetwork1658 This is a message from the future. Netflix will get far worse in how it depicts ancient Romans very soon.
Germanicus was actually a gifted war master, and eventually died of suspected poisoning by his enemies (his uncle who adopted him was suspected as well) as he feared his success and popularity within troops
I just re read the eagles of rome graphic novel by encio marini for the battle of teutoburg. The character art is historically accurate with them actually looking actually like southern and northern Europeans and not having the morals of a 21st century first world liberal. Oh and not having random Sub saharan West africans ripping off as North africans.
are you trying to say they, sub saharans werent the kangz of north africa, say it aint so
I feel like I need to rewatch Dovahhatty's Unbiased History to clean my eyes.
While it is odd to see a Carthaginian all the way north in Germania, I don't recall Carthaginians being West African nor Africans from the Americas. They were a Semitic/North African people so if they did wanted a Carthaginian, they could have at least tried to cast someone from the Middle East or areas in North Africa like Tunisia or Libya. Instead what I see are the producers thinking that anyone from Africa is black skinned and the same culture and so must be portrayed by any actor of West African or African American descent.
They are literally trying to disclaim my people history just for the sake of being woke. What happened to peer reviewed sources and verified studies? None from North Africa ever depicted themselves as black yet they take the liberty to bundle in west Africans in North African history just to please the woke Afrocentric narrative going on right now. I guess in their eyes middle eastern and North African ain’t diverse enough, in their eyes Africa equals black..
The majority of punic era Carthaginians would be middle Eastern in appearance due to their origins as phonecian colonists although some berber-libyan mixing inevitably happened but furthermore at this point in history Rome was extremely deep into its resettlement efforts in Carthage (it had rebounded from a decimated ghost town to the fourth largest city in the empire). The majority of 'Carthaginians' would be Itallo-provincials and have no direct Punic ancestory (therefore having a grudge for Carthargo Delenda Est being stupid) they should've at least made her an Numdiain if they really needed to add a African character with a grudge against Rome as the conquest was well within living memory and was quite brutal.
They could of said she was a nubian that got captured in a border war with Roman Egypt
Its obvious, that inserting a black woman in a show about the germanic people is not about facts, but about blackwashing history. Leftists and woke people dont care for facts at all. They are fanatic about their social-equality-agenda and so in every show there are blacks that are always superior, good, non criminal wise and intelligent and white thugs. The reality looks a bit differnt when 13 % blacks in the USA commit 60 % of the crimes, but they dont care.
Tiberius not caring about the life of his soldiers runs exactly contrary to the sources (Velleius and Suetonius), which greatly emphasize his practical umanity toward them.
I loved that Rome's most villainous general, Scipio Germanicus Africanus, finally got some air time
😂😂
Ah yes, the 4th Punic War. I remember learning about it in school. Though the 5th Punic War of 11/12 AD where the still a fetus Caligula singlehandedly beheaded the Punic leader with his bare hands is more iconic to me.
Netflicus Adaptus is my favorite historian, he does so much for the inexistent and underrepresented people of Rome.
Emperor Claudius: "My brother Germanicus was a virtuous and honorable man who would have made Alexander the Great feel proud of him..."
*Meanwhile*
German Head: *Exists*
Germanicus: "AND I TOOK THAT PERSONALLY" 3:02
Germanicus named Germanicus before beating the Germans
That one is fine, btw. He got this cognomen from his father
@@RomabooRamblings didn't know, thank you!
😂😂😂
What’s funny to me is they could have just given Dido a different name and had her be Nubian, Rome had a conflict with Nubia during the reign of Augustus.
They literally could’ve had a female black character with a grudge against Rome without having implied that the third Punic war was 150 years later than it was historically or saying Carthaginians were black.
I recall the Romans used lasers and battle tanks during the 4th Punic War. As recorded by the Adeptus Netflicus
Netflicus Adaptus! 🤣 Owh, my sides. lol, it's even funnier since all the bs I saw in the first episode of the first season was cranked up to eleven in the second season.
Barbarians Season 2 would have worked if the first Scene in season 2 showed the Druid Getafix from Asterix and Obelix leaving the Cherusci village, I would have known what to expect.
I am still waiting for them to reveal that this season was an Doctor who crossover in an alternative time line😂😂😂
I appreciate your criticism were calmly explained and not overly angry, loud voiced and even the jokes were limited. Makes it easier to take it seriously adds to your professional attitude.
Oh boy, I can't wait for Season 3 of Barbarians where they do the Battle of Idistaviso and the Angrivarian Wall. Where Arminius takes out a fortified Roman position, with his superpowered wife and Germanic friend. Where Germanicus is personally killed by Arminius's infant son when it harnessed the power of the Dovahkiin from the ancient Roman dragon Targarianus.
In all honesty, the second season was just goddamn horrible. Instead of jumping directly to Germanicus's campaign, where we see the consequences of Arminius's betrayal and Thusnelda's sacrifice. Instead, we see German killing Romans despite them doing pretty much nothing after Tiberius reinforcing the Rhine defenses. All that I can think about is how they wasted Flavus's character. Like him being able to outsmart Arminius and saving the Legions during the Battle of Long Bridges where Arminius tried to replicate his Teutoberg success but Flavus knew from a prisoner or a traitor.
in season 3 arminius will be the ruler of a multicultural band of rebellious but cool barbarians and half will be black africans and will win with the power of multiculturalism
@@venturebros2000 don't forget the end fight will be between a strong black waman and the emperor of rome, who will shoot lazers out of his hands. She will defeat him without breaking a sweat.
@@mrfreeman2911 i wouldnt be too surprised
@@mrfreeman2911 we would finally know on 100 percent that Livia dint kill Augustus
Netflixus Adaptus killed me!!!
The Fourth Punic War info box had me laughing hysterically. Well done sir.
The actress playing dido is from Bantu ancestry , she doesn’t look like the North African phenotype. Why defend her in the comments when it’s unjust that they don’t depict truly how the majority of North Africans looks like? The majority of North Africa have never been black. Yes Nubians ruled Egypt for a short time but so did the Libyans. It’s like when Afroamericans hear the word moor they think it means black and shows picture made up by Europeans (or afroshopped images)who didn’t see a moor in real life but when they see how the moors (Berbers) depicts themselves they say it’s fake. So much of North African history is being claimed by Afrocentrics simultaneously disclaiming the natives from their heritage and glorious history.it’s truly tiring to hear foreigners who has nothing with our history to do trying to claim it and call us invaders,mixed race etc when literally whole historic verified sources says we have always been the natives and still to this day are basically the same as our ancestors. DNA NEVER lies yet Afrocentrics trying to say “you had Roman,Arabs and Greeks” as if they exterminated us and replaced the last of us with new people. We are not the Americas, we ruled over Europeans for 800 years, fought Arabs for 63 years and later on revolted against their rule and took back control of our Tamazgha. During Roman rule we even prospered and had many romanus africanus emperors. We have always been here and been called different names but still the Amazigh never went away and have ALWAYS been the majority in North Africa (Maghreb region) this folly that Arabs came to us and replaced the majority of the population is literally pseudo history, so few Berbers have even Arabs in their ancestry. Why can’t you woke people/Afrocentrics just accept that they made a mistake by not adequately acknowledging the Berber population in North Africa and used a actor of that descent? Instead you guys in the comments go on this crusade to say the are black North Africans in Cartage when it literally didn’t have none. Why not appreciate the African diversity that not all are black. Berbers are not white nor black, we are being undermined by woke people and Afrocentrics just because we don’t suit their narrative.
The actress looks mixed though.
@@sammydasilva6152 Her parents are from South Africa and European ancestry, Bantu mixed with Europeans doesn’t equals North African.
@@zakaria497 North African here too. It’s a shame we have shitty governments or else they should’ve definitely sue these culture burglars. It’s getting out of hands.
@@-Blast Indeed, instead are governments suppressed Amazigh culture all for the glory of pan Arabism. Now they instead engage in petty politics with each other while outsiders trying to claim our glorious ancient past. Tariq Ibn Zayed is rolling in his tomb now seeing us fighting amongst ourselves. Tamazgha is ours brother
I have never seen something as pathetic as people who read about Roman history, saw someone with the nickname "Africanus" and immediately think "yeah he was black" without ever thinking for one second that the area of Africa (btw the name of the continent comes from the province, which corresponds roughly to modern day Tunisia) that they ruled even today still has basically no blacks and back then there is no real evidence suggesting it was any different.
The people who say that are so clearly historically illiterate it hurts, plus EVEN IF you were to assume that the North Africans were Black (they weren't), then it still wouldn't justify the Carthaginians being Black as they were settlers from modern day Lebanon, they probably mixed in somewhat with the locals but they were definitely not from Africa originally and should definitely not be Black by their own definition
This whole thing doesn't even make a lick of sense, this is pure insanity (but then again, Afrocentrics are probably the dumbest people around, I recall reading something about the fucking Buddha being black ..... I don't think it's possible to reason with these people)
I give the series kudos for the use of Latin, but I found it really lacking in its depiction of the titular barbarians. These shows and movies just can't seem to resist the fantasy-movie, D&D aesthetic that shows non-Roman peoples living in basically Neolithic conditions. It seems like all the effort went towards the Latin dialogue and none went towards creating a believable non-Roman world. I remember one scene in the German village in which there's some sort of religious worship being depicted, but it's people covered with mud lurching clumsily around a wooden pole basically chanting "Uga buga!" I could sense how uncomfortable the actors were with such poorly-imagined writing, direction, and production design. And of course, even though it's obligatory to show non-Romans always smeared with some sort of grime, the women somehow all have top-of-the-line Hollywood makeup jobs and hairstyles underneath the dirt. And everyone just happens to be hot by 21st-century standards, because plain, normal-looking, or even unattractive people never accomplished anything in history.
Ayup. Shoulda just have called it "Romans" and gone with it. It wouldn't have saved it, but at least it wouldn't have been so insulting.
They did a real good job with the Romans. The castellum was glorious, right down to the internal layout, the defences (pila muralia done right HOOOOO BOY!!!), and the soldiers going about their daily camp routine.
oh my Jove, the part about the 4th Punic War 🤣
(glad i skipped this season tbh)
...most historically accurate character... I was laughing so hard!🤣
I really liked Season 1 but I honestly didn’t expect them to come back to this story. No further story needs to be told about Arminius - unless you want to really give the tragic end of the story. What I was hoping for was a focus on another Barbarian epic story. Boudicca and her rebellion in Britain for instance. That would have been incredible and very fertile soil for story telling - but given how they did season 2 maybe we just shouldn’t expect anything as history lovers.
WE WUZ GERMANICS N SHEEIT
Well, at least it's comforting to know that somewhere in the Germanic nation exists a craftsman that can pull off corn rows. JFC.
How did I not know of this gem of a channel ?
Carthaginians were not sub-Saharan Africans.
The core Carthaginian citizen body wasn't, but Carthage was a cosmopolitan city famous for its role as a regional trading hub and there would have been black people living there, among other demographics. One of the trade routes the Carthaginians were involved in was trans-Saharan trade, which involved the movement of people and goods across the Sahara. Not defending the ridiculous made-up "Carthaginian" character they created for the show, but the idea of black people living in Carthage and in Roman-era Europe is entirely plausible, and in fact there's historical evidence for it. They would have been a minority but they were there. Black people are capable of traveling just as much as white people are. Some traveled involuntarily as slaves, others traveled voluntarily as merchants, mercenaries, and other things. The Sahara is an obstacle, but Sub-Saharan Africa was never entirely cut off from North Africa and Europe.
@@kawadashogo8258 the Sahara was a truly impossible barrier to cross at that time, they were no black’s people in Cartage. Why do you have the need to include black people in a history that’s not theirs? Yes we Berbers took slaves especially Tuaregs but you can’t find sub Saharan dna in modern Tunisia,
@@kawadashogo8258 trans Saharan trade didn’t even exist at that time brother, what demographics? Ancient Numidians and ancient Libyans? Both peoples are natives and not black. Bro if they were black people there they would most likely be slaves not merchants. Berbers were deep in capturing blacks for slavery, I love Africa but they are no evidence for black people living there. As a North African can I claim west African history? No I can’t so how come sub Saharan Africans trying to include in mine when they literally had little to none involvement in our history.
@@kawadashogo8258 the black people that may have made it to Roman Europe are Nubians. But crossing from Sahara up to Tunisia and the Maghreb region was literally impossible. Same with the moors crap, so many Afrocentrics think they were black kings and generals when they were just our slaves mind you not even that many slaves during our rule in Iberia. We NEVER depicted ourselves as blacks, never had a black king nor general. I don’t get why people take the liberty to inflict woke Afrocentrics view on my people when we were never black. Brother Africa is so diverse that a East African have more in common with Middle East then west Africa. Stop blackwashing my peoples history and cherish your own
@@kawadashogo8258 Yes, the Romans definitely hired SSA mercenaries from Nubia and Egypt, and they also had slaves from that regions too. They wrote about Sub-Saharan Africans and depicted them in their arts. However, Nubians and other SSAs were present in Rome relatively small numbers. Besides, the Carthaginians also had plenty of Nubian archers, elephants handlers and riders who were part of the army. The thing is that although there were black Carthaginians, the vast majority of the Carthaginians were not black but Middle Eastern looking. So it would be even better to cast a Middle Eastern looking woman to play the Carthaginian female because this is how an average Carthaginian would've looked like. With that being said the cast wasn't that bad since once again black Carthaginians, although a minority, were not unheard of. Netflix portrayed a Viking King by a black actress. This was over the top woke, cringe and 100% BS.
Tiberius is perhaps the only thing about this series which makes it worth watching. Doesn't save it tho. But it's how you use "creative license" THE RIGHT WAY: take what's known as boundaries, and then creatively full in whatever gaps remain, CONSISTENTLY.
The acting is sublime too. This man has IMPERIVM, and he leaves not the tiniest shred of doubt about that. Every twitch of his face, every gesture of his hands just says I AM ROME, YOU ARE MAGGOTS. Yet he does not come across as some bloated decadent shit-for-brains. He is superior and well aware of that; he does not *need* to explain. He just *is* what he is, with every cell of his waiting-to-finally-be-Augustus-at-long-last body. As one guy said much later: "C'est tant estre Roy qu'il n'est que par là."
And apparently Giovanni Carta is "merely" some bit-piece actor who doesn't even have an Italian Wikipedia page yet. GIVE THIS MAN A MAJOR-LEAGUE AWARD STATIM!
Awesome, man!
I remember reading about Dido in the works of Seneca during 3rd year Latin Class. She was the terror of the German Forests with her magic lightening bolts and hot, fetid breath.
"Did you mean 'dildo'?"
Instead of using the already existing drama between Arminius and his brother, they just transferred it to Arminius's son. Wasted potential. Flavius just became a plot device for Marbod--who was my favorite part of the season. I would have preferred to see the war between the Cherusci and Macromanni for this season. The season, in general, was very boring
The only reason I was (naïvely) hyped about S2 was the arrival of Germanicus
Of course they butchered his character. How could the propaganda have worked?
Same here brother, I was excited för Germanicus to revenge Varus..Instead we got a incompetent weak stupid man that acts like a child with no self control
@@zakaria497
That's the Netflix SJW perception of every strong, successful man. They just think we're all homelanders lmao
It says a lot about a show when the historical advisors quit mid-production...
At minute of silence for Barbaren
we wuz Carthaginians and Germans n shieeeet
Ah yes, the 4th punic war.
Might as well be sold as a prequel to Vikings, with how they portray the German tribes.
I just don't get how you can put so much love into the Romans, but then completely drop the ball on the other side.
the heavy emphasis on "fighting for our freedom" bit really rubbed me the robbed wrong way like guys you still had aristochracy and total power and all
I loved it when he said "it's barbaring time"
Glad to see Thusneldas eye healed well
Why did they not use the money they wasted for this garbage to make a show about the siege of Aliso? It could be such a compelling story (and have a REAL diverse cast): A cut of mix of regular legionaries, asian auxilia archers (their arrow heads have been found at the site of the camp) - and perhaps some gallic or germanic auxilia? - plus civilians and remnants of the slaughtered army who did find their way to this 'last fortess', holding out against all odds, using clever ruses against an much stronger enemy and making an daring escape to the Rhine...
WE WUZ GERMANZ
netflix won't make another season because they almost always drop their hit shows after the second season for some inexplicable reason.
There are now four people who care about proper Roman naming conventions.
In the show the Germans are naturally good, smarter, stronger, and morally superior, they must strive to reconquer their land from the evil outsiders that want to oppress them. Man, I already saw that plot somewhere, I just can't remember where...
Lol 🤣🤣
8:28 xD Brilliant
The character of Tiberius is portrayed wrong at the end, because he did not care for the lives of his mean, which contradicts the sources. Overall, I was very disappointed by season 2 and I certainly don't want a season 3. Loved your humour.
... Ok, i can understand that you could fuck up some characters, especially ones that are hard to adapt into a fiction. BUT HOW DO YOU FUCK UP FLAVUS?!
His history is litterally bread for a show!
After seeing Barbarians Season 2, I felt like Gordon Ramsay judging his contestants on Hell's Kitchen. I was so mad!
Bro the first season definitely was the real og! Even the roman soldiers looked more competent and more real
Nice imperator: Rome soundtrack! I’ve been engrossed in Victoria 3, I should get back to finishing my Rome campaign.
Because hiring North African actors wouldn't be diversity
These ancient germans is himmlers fanasty.
Man we live in a society
The Starz Spartacus gave the Romans more favor and personality than this one
You could say it was nicht gut
The first season was pretty decent, I really can't believe how much they dropped the ball with season 2. It is legitimately insane how much they botched it.
What's sadder is that for all it's historical inaccuracy, the asthetics of the weaponary and armor is the best I've seen on film. What a shame and a waste.
At least they got all quiet on the western front right.
Netflix has to stop.
Thank you for the review.... Definitely going to give season 2 a snub... > Can't stand when they try to disguise sensational action with pseudo historical accuracy.
I really hate TV and movies.
And don't forget that Arminius is basically Neo from the Matrix.
Armor is useless in this season
The one good of season has Tiberius and Germanicus
Love this video, the show was easy watching too, of course it was inaccurate but so what! I got CZcams and Google for that
I like the use of Imperator rome music, unfortunate that the game got canned.
Ahh yes, Dido, a sub saharan carthagenean who would be, what? 150 years old having survived the sack of Carthage? Maribod having met Arminius and his brother in rome, because, they were clearly the only barbarians there at the time, beside the obvious age and time difference, all totally accurate
Virgin Metatron vs Chad Romaboo ramblings
Netflicus Adaptus LOL
Producer: Whattya think so far?
Netflix: it's fine. Do you know what would make it better? Woman of color
Producer: Oh, sure. I'll see if we can fi..
Netflix: Woman. Of. COLOR! She must be strong, independent, and noble. She doesn't take any crap from those racist Romans. She's Afrikan, and should have royal lineage and want vengeance for her oppressors. You're a good boy, I know you'll do the right thing
Producer: Yes, sir! Right away!
😱😰The historians who ince worked with Netflix on this show when they read the script for season 2😂😂😂
The first season was ok, the second season was an abomination that should have a never seen the light of day
Didnt the historian staff leave After Reading the Scripts?
if they had cut out modern day politics and fired the fool that thought "spartacus romans" were accurate depictions of one of history's most advanced and disciplined fighting forces, this could have been an excellent series. sadly it only take one rotten apple to ruin the whole bunch.
Where was Dom Pedro 2 of Brazil? He single handidly killed every german tribe and sailed to Brazil as emperor, smh
I liked Season 1, but couldn't get past the 1st episode of Season 2. I had no doubt it was ahistorical garbage, and am glad I stopped then and there. Thanks for confirming this.
lmaoo
We wuz Queenz n sheit
My family comes from a genetic lineage that is mostly Mediterranean, largely Levantine, North African, Italian and Iberian.
Carthage after it’s collapse lead to an increase in the Jewish populations across North Africa and Iberia.
Even so, there was a Roman-Hebrew historian who equated Carthage’s rule to be under Jews of the region. There were large documented communities in these regions and these regions have genetic similarities to Jews of the regions.
For example; in my DNA.
Ancient Eurasia K6
Ancestral North Eurasian: 17.29%
Ancestral South Eurasian: 5.78%
East Asian: .99%
West European Hunter-Gatherer: 41.24%
Natufian: 34.7%
Sub-Saharan: 0%
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64.7% Morocco_Jews 35.3% French Basque. Genetic Distance: 0.64
Then I share genetic similarities with Algerians, Libyans, Mozabite, Tunisians, Egyptians and Italians. As well as various Jewish groups throughout North Africa and West Asia, as well as Druze and Cypriots.
As you see as well I have no Sub-Saharan DNA and am usually considered to be “white” or at max I am mistaken for a light-skinned Hispanic.
I am able to tan very well and have darker hair and eyes.
Phoenician colonies were fairly far, wide and kept secret. There’s actually a story about Phoenicians who came from Tyre to settle in Èire.
There are indeed a lot of similarities within Phoenician folk faiths with Celts and Vikings.
If they did want to write in a Carthaginian storyline…
They should’ve made a family who immigrated from war-torn Carthage into Iberia and married into a Gaul family, or even a Vandal family.
But even then they would’ve had to be at least half-Germanic. But the reason that Germanic people didn’t seem out of place within North Africa and the Levant at that time was because they wouldn’t have been.
For the last 1300 years the demographics of those regions has changed drastically, look at some of the Amazigh peoples and tell me they couldn’t pass as a European.
As the historical advisors quit the show, the only hope for the third season is if they try and get them back and actually take their advice next time.
Its kind of fascinating how afrocentric nonsense is now needed to not get angry articles/tweets.
Wait, wasn't Dido a singer?