Psychedelic Science | Dr. Dennis McKenna | EP 299
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- Dr Jordan B Peterson and Dr. Dennis McKenna discuss the science behind psychedelics, the entities found through the looking glass, the current pharmaceutical approach to long life, and why it needs to change.
Dr. Dennis McKenna is an American ethnopharmacologist, lecturer and author. He is a founding board member and the director of ethnopharmacology at the Heffter Research Institute, a non-profit exploring the therapeutic uses of psychedelic medicines. McKenna received his masters in botany at the University of Hawaii in 1979, followed by his doctorate in the same field at the University of British Columbia in 1984. Dennis is the brother of Terrence McKenna, a cultural figure and proponent for the exploration of psychedelics. Together they co-authored The Invisible Landscape. Much later McKenna would write a memoir, Brotherhood of the Screaming Abyss, detailing he and his brothers exploits in the field. Today, Dennis tours and lectures, while also running the McKenna Academy of Natural Philosophy, which seeks to uncover the mysteries of consciousness held within the realm of botany and pharmacology.
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:40) intro
(2:33) Dr. Dennis McKenna now
(6:47) What is ethnopharmacology?
(12:45) Ayahuasca
(26:02) Hierarchy of concepts
(30:00) The Reality Hallucination
(43:50) Breaking down hyper reality
(49:30) Commonalities of entities
(55:50) The intrinsic form of personality
(1:00:15) Ritual, bad shamans
(1:02:58) Carl Rogers, voluntary exposure
(1:09:15) Roland Griffiths, the flaw in how medicine is practiced
(1:12:05) Impending mortality
(1:24:45) Dr. McKenna’s future plans
(1:26:19) Looking back at a life long career
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I had a psychedelic experience once that sent me to eternity and meeting the creator. My ego dissolved yet I was physically terrified. It was so magical and so full of love, changed my life for good. In the most positive way possible.
Everybody is struggling with mental health and could benefit from careful therapeutic use of substances like these. Wanna try, but keep being told I can't do it alone for the first time.
That’s great to hear, and I am happy for you. But do not forget that our minds, with or without psych drugs, can also play tricks on us. Reality is often very hard, so fantasy, in whatever form, can be a great comfort, and fantasy can seem like reality. Most people choose fantasy over reality. And who am I to argue?
If you can get a gram of what you can prove is a regular Cubensis Strain, you should be perfectly safe taking that 1 gram your first time. Pick a day where you have no responsibilities and let people know you aren't available for 7 hours. I wish you luck. @JohnD.Brinich
dr.martyshroom is your guy. Got all kinds of psychedelics stuff. Guided me through my first ever experience
Since I tired psychedelics for the first time, I’ve been trying to describe the experience to others so there can try it as well, but i couldn’t find the right words to describe it.
Psychedelic mushrooms really healed me years back.
These are great healing compounds! When used in proper context.
I've been looking to try some recently, but I can't find anywhere to get them, anyone?
doc.jeanne is your guy. Got all kinds of psychedelics stuff. Guided me through my first ever experience
Is on Instgram?
Yesss
I just had my first experience with golden teachers, it was really great! I loved it.
Psychedelics have the potential to make a significant impact on mental health issues like anxiety and depression. They've been incredibly helpful for me personally.
I've been looking to try some recently, but I can't find anywhere to source.
dr.tonyshrooms is your guy. The best shrooms and psychedelics guy I know.
He's on instgram??
Yes
I had my first experience with golden teachers, it was really great.
Psychedelics therapy is just an exceptional mental health breakthrough. It’s quite fascinating how effective they are against depression and anxiety. Saved my life.
I’ve been looking to try out shrooms. Anyone knows where I can source some?
He's on instgram??
I had my first experience with golden teachers, it was really great.
Can Doctor_coxx post to me in PA?
Psychedelic mushrooms healed me from severe ptsd that I suffered for years. Truly magical
Psychedelics are the reason why i didn’t take my life when i was at my end. I was stripped of my ego and saw the beauty of life and interconnectivity and even though i still battle anxiety and depression, I’m doing better everyday and will never think in such a self destructive way again.
Psychedelic’s definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression, I would like to try them again but it’s just so hard to source here
LSD and mushrooms completely changed my whole outlook on life. I became a better version of myself
This experience gave me a lot of confidence about my self and my body. A bunch of bad thought / behavior patterns were broken. One of these was pretty bad OCD that made me wash my hands a lot. It gave me a lot of hope that things will be fine, this is the one thing that I heard throughout the trip: Everything is alright. The main reason for the trip was my severe depression and it definitely helped me (although it's not gone). Before all I could do was lay in bed. Now I am trying to rebuild my life one step at a time which wasn't possible before."
@@zoeywinston6826 [Myco_tray]
Got psychs
@@sarahh321 Where to search?? Is it IG?
@Kyle Russell Last year, I took shrooms at Las Vegas thinking it was going to hit like an edible or something. Shit was scary at first but amazing once you start getting deeper into your thoughts
Depression haunted my life from a very young age, and I was put on a bunch of SSRIs as a child in attempt to deal with it. None worked.Psychedelic mushroom was brought to my attention. It was the first thing that actually had real effects. They should only be used with great care and respect.
I hear this is supposed to be good for people who have mental health issues. I actually just started the research process of microdosing and all that. Im to the point where I want shock treatment.
dr.perryshroom is your guy. Got all kinds of psychedelics stuff. Guided me through my first ever experience
Been through this conversation before. I can’t do anything without a proper medical professional following me.
YES, he is dr.perryshroom. There's a lot of potential in psychedelics
It would be great to hear in more detail about your mystical experiences during meditation.
It's so nice to see Jordan Peterson in a position where he can have conversations instead of defending himself in conversations!
^this >
Unfortunately doctor Peterson has in some way “identified” with that Aries element which he referred to in this conversation. Energetically and emotionally I believe that he’s in a stuck place with the dark and difficult elements in life (not that I’m not btw).
Or listening to his boss Netanyahu
He only defends himself in other conversations because of that he is such a kind spirit. Others would just have rejected these uncouth attacks. Others are attacking Jordan Peterson because of the intense fear he induces in those who have no integrity, no commitment or no spirit (or all of them) in their lives. I too thank Mr. Peterson for his enormous work in producing these endlessly interesting philosophical, scientific, psychological and other videos. What a production. What a human being. Wow.
@@vedicapproach8105 Argh that is too simplistic. But humorous admittedly... I see Jordan Peterson as an enlightenment. What you perceive is totally your own responsibility :-)
Don't forget to respect the mushrooms, Golden Teacher basically, they have some very powerful potential. I just did about 7g on 5/08/2023 and it went well actually but barely escaped a bad trip.
It is absolutely beautiful how people talk so many things about psychedelic and magic mushrooms too .. Everyone focused on how magic mushrooms can change and also save lives . I haven't try it but I deep down I really what to try it .. just looking for a reliable source ..
@@heatherldutrow1204Psychedelics drugs should be used When people are in their right state of mind , alot of people abuse them ..
@@rhysreid9302Not so hard , just find someone who sells it close to you
@@rhysreid9302Don't really know how to get one . New to all this You got anyone who sells ?
@@woodMichealSure dr.jeffshroom
So happy these two got to have a discussion. I listen to all his brother Terrance work before I did my 6 grams of mushrooms. I was on the verge of suicide after Iraq and Afghanistan left my mind broken and PTSD had me giving up. 2 years have passed and that was the best life saving decision of my life.
Where did you get the shrooms??
Thank you very much for your service. I enjoy freedom and luxury every day because of the the sacrifices you, and so many others have made. This world is better with you in it.
damn!. I would not expect a former military to try psychedelics. Sorry for being prejudiced. glad you made it through.
@@matrixmatico695 pick them
@@eliasekstrom6660 understanding how bad Veterans are cared for in the aftermath of war, our adaptability leads many of us to care for ourselves in alternative ways. We just want to live productive lives and not have to just exist every moment with the memories that haunt us.
Oh my GOD!! My life is finally complete! I’ve been waiting 44 years for this conversation! Thank you both so much!!🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I couldn't have said it better myself 🔥🙏❤️
Took the words outta my mouth brother
Me too🎉
24:28 kinda like what they did in the Wuhan lab, eh?
Impressive, since Jordan Peterson was a just a teenager 44 years ago
I have mostly been depressed but after taking shrooms few months ago, l feel much happier and highly motivated and my ADHD gone , lost a ton of anxiousness and had a few epiphanies about how I should live my life. I decided to buy an ounce for backup, but haven’t yet felt the need to take any more since then.
I have autism, I was diagnosed with it when I was 15. I tried shrooms and it made me function so much better.
Eek I’m autistic too and might wanna try mushrooms. How do I go about it?
Yeah doc.brenttt is your guide. Man is exceptional with anything psychedelics.
Hello Can he be reached on IG?
Yes doc.Brenttt
Psilocybin is an ancient and powerful medicine. It is amusing that “modern” medicine is only now trying to understand what Indigenous people have know for a millennia.
Anybody who has undergone intend psilocybin therapy will understand that trying to get life changing therapeutic benefits of psychedelics without the trip is laughable.that’s what rattles you out of depression.
I’ll use myself as an example I was mesmerised, thrown into another dimension.
The trips I’ve been having really helped me a lot. I finally feel in control of my emotions. The things that used to be mundane to me now seem incredible and full of nuance and on top of that I’m way less driven by my ego and I have a lot more empathy as well.
Reading through I’ll say, Psychedelics is a tool in which the universe uses to connect with us, we understand without words
We listen without distractions,we agree without arguments.
Ive always been open to try and see what is really beyond, what is brought out through atoms and particles in the reality of what we live in. And just open up my consciousness to a whole new plane, but how do you get ahold of em..
Kinda heard of dr_xzavier.,~
Nice to see Jordan mainly listening, lets Dennis really expand on some ideas.
Nice to see you here, Peter :)
Good videos
@@timr3621 Came here to say this
oh hey whaddup! one of my fave channels and discords
That's what J P is trained to do. Listen so he can find points for expansion.
Psychedelics legit saved my life after the military, and was the primary impetus that led me to seminary.
That’s awesome bro, it definitely helped bring me closer to god
What happened in the military that messed you up so badly?
@@EvaLasta
That's a bit personal. But i suppose it's mostly feeling ashamed that I was alive while those who were closer to me than family were dead, and feeling guilty for not being able to save them; going home to my loved ones, when the brothers in arms i loved.... couldn't go home to their own. The could've, would've, should've thinking was a caustic poison that i relived every moment, each single day, stuck in the past.... and missing the present.
The alcohol wasn't helping the TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury) much, either. I was an FMF Corpsman, btw. A combat medic.
One night, a miracle really, a marine buddy of mine called me when i was in a bad way. He told me to put down a gun and wait for him, and that "Eating a mushroom is a heck of a lot healthier for the head, than a bullet".
Basically, i went on a detox from society and technology for a while. It took a while, but I got right with myself and God; before getting sober, and going to seminary.
I wouldn't say it's for everyone. But it's what worked for me. And it was better than the alternative.
@@joeyyc8515
I truly believe that shrooms are a sacrament. Terence McKenna has some amazing discussions about it being used by cultures throughout history.
As a fellow Navy Veteran I want to thank you for your service as a FMF Sailor saving Marine lives. And as a person of faith I admire your attending Seminary to save souls !
Seems you were born to save people!
Psychedelics helped me survive the most isolated, deepest, and darkest days I've encountered, and has profoundly helped me to piece myself together and feel again.
@Lucy Jackson do you have an email for them?
I need to feel again
I first encountered "psychedelics" at the young age of 16. I was also introduced to "everything under the sun" at the same time. Life at that time was very overwhelming. I 100% contribute the natural experiences I had with the strength I acquired to disseminate the difference between "right and wrong". Over 20 years later... I'm so proud of the man I've become. A certain level of gratitude is directly aimed at said experiences.
Drhenrytrips has amazing psychedelic products
I suggest you check him out..
On Instagram..
So as for your fourth sentence, I hate to tell you, but it didnt make any sort of sense. It had no grammatical or syntactical value. Having said that, if I assume you made the rather understandable mistakes of saying "contribute" when you meant "attribute" (an easy mistake) and "disseminate" when you meant "differentiate" (an easy spelling error), and substitute those more sensible words in, then it makes sense. Have I understood your meaning sufficiently?
Beautiful conversation. RIP Terence, one of the great thinkers of our time.
We are so blessed to have so many hours of his lectures online
@@aWomanFreed that's very interesting. what makes you think he was "CIA"? i don't disagree. i'm just not sure. he was a friend of mine...
@@aWomanFreed lol
@@aWomanFreed nope. I could debunk that for you but it's not worth the time it would take
Take that heroic dose! 😅
I need guidance I can do 400-500 ugs of Lucy and 3-5 of shrooms and don’t get visuals a higher dose just makes me more disoriented and voices in my head non stop, where do i order from?
On I.G
I also got a legit mushrooms and psychedelic from him last week.
He sells the best psychedelic products….. ships directly.
How can I contact him?
George_doze
Dennis is a legend. Him and Terence were integral partners in exploration. Dennis was normally the voice of reason for Terence but the pendulum occasionally swung very strongly the other way.
Terence was a gift to humanity. He had the ability to fill people with such great awe and wonder about what the hell is going on here in this existence.
Not to mention a communicator on a par with Alan Watts.
True hallucinations, read by the Terry Man himself was an awesome listen and read
Thank you JP for playing your part in bringing the best of us together
24:28 kinda like what they did in the Wuhan lab, eh?
Great way to put it
Amen!
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@@tinfoilhatter Montreal experiments stuff? You could be onto something hinfoiltatter
For the last five years I’ve imagined what it would have been like to hear Terence and JP have a conversation. This is the next best thing! I was so pleasantly surprised to see this video!
Terence was pretty much against all Peterson stands by, including Christianism and Traditionalism.
He was awesome.
@@SiriProject I don’t think Peterson supports fundamental Christianity. He just claims that there is meaning and utility to be derived from the Christian stories. Also, he and Terence are both Jungians. It would have been interesting to hear them have a discussion.
@@psilocypher Agreed. Regardless of any ideological beliefs I think they could have nuanced and very interesting conversations
@@psilocypher I've had this debate about Peterson before. I don't see how people don't get that you can study religious texts without commiting to the belief. He's scared God exists, he said that himself, but he doesn't believe in God
Comparative religious studies. Degrees are offered in it. I recommend Joseph Campbells 'Masks of God' four volumes.😊
I’m pretty new to psychedelics. But everytime I’ve had the chance it’s been life altering. The way your ego steps aside and you see stuff for what it is. Coming out of it and retaining a lot of the info. This interview is only the second one I’ve listened to with Mr Petersen and I’m really glad this popped up.
Highly recommend checking out his series of lectures on the psychological significance of the biblical stories. It's what led me to psychedelics in the first place and I think its JBP at his best. It also made me deeply curious of other religions and the interplay between all of them and their concepts and foundations. Absolutely life changing.
Listened in its entirety
I have had only one Ahyuhuasca experience. What began as a beautiful journey on the first evening ended up as a nightmare on the second night. I began having confusing visions and was barely able to stand, think or breathe. I have tried to find help and wanted to leave the session and the group. I was then literally paralyzed for hours both emotionally and physically.
Then I began to develop heavy paranoia that lasted for a few days.
I was the only one at the session with those issues.
I saw an entity that was confirmed later by others as "The Mother".
It was half plant-, half alien-like entity and it communicated with me. But only on the first night it was as described by others. The second night went off rail really quickly...
My experience was still invaluable but left me puzzled and confused.
@Raul Cano EScuder
What does that have to do with my comment?
How long ago was this experience? Give yourself time to integrate what transpired. There are people out there who specialize in psychedelic integration if needed. The tough experiences can often be the most transformative but it definitely takes time…. Be gentle with yourself ❤🌱❤️🌱❤
@@soulswork1111
I have had a near death experience that lasted for more than 4 hours.
I was paralyzed and felt like every breath was the last breath.
I have not seen my life flashing before my eyes as many say but I could see the "portal" to the other world.
I have experienced full acceptance of everything that happened in my life and letting go in that process.
I found out most of the things that happened to me (or the people that I have loved or met) do not matter when I die.
I could only experience/feel which people would find it very difficult to cope with my death.
I left the session and spent many hours wrapped in blankets outside just laying there - at 6 degrees below zero!
I was well taken care of but that experience of near death was very rare everyone told me at the sharing.
This may sound weird but you met a gatekeeper. The confusion and later nightmares shows that you probably didn't follow their rules. That's often due to the stuff you took. If you want to go further you need to train doing it without drugs of of any kind and try to behave differently. There are rules when you step beyond.
@@jesperkjaer8268hi Jesper, can you elaborate on your “gatekeeper” comment? Ik wish to learn more about this. Is there literature you can advise?
Dennis You Are by no means a small part. Huge ripple effect. The world is blessed by your work and everyone around you.. including your brother. This is huge!
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I’ve been hoping this interview would happen! Thanks for shining another light on the benefits of Psychedelics Dr Peterson 🙏
you seriously need a life and some morals and ethics. OMIGOD
Cool story bro
@@Yesica1993 i think that is exactly what he is doing and has been for years. Ditto his brother. He is a knowledgable botanist for certain. He is just some old hippie who could not give up the "high" times He is borderline coherent. I had a prof in the 70s who taught logic who sounded just like him. I guess we don't have enough drug addled people in the west i suppose. the ancient mezo americans used some of these in so called religious rituals. Just great to see they are being revived. we don't have any men like cortez in our time to put a stop to this. All I can say after the disgusting late 60s and 70s is i feel sick
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@@Yesica1993 I was going to give you a like, but dopamine is a drug, and we can't have that.
I did about 5 or 6 grams of mushrooms when I was 15 and i learned so much about myself and how my mind /perspective of the world was developed by my response to the world around me. I was out for 12 hours and that undeniably changed the way I see my life, my relationship with others, nature,& mostly the way i attach meaning in the world
This was one of my favorite podcasts I have ever seen. I do hope you have him back. Thank you both!
I love that Jordan explores psychedelics with his podcast and thereby brings this topic more and more into view. Thank you!
Agreed
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The only way to explore this subject thoroughly is to partake.
I have chills seeing you two having this conversation. Not for the faint of heart. It will break down the walls/box that we put ourselves in. Makes me incredibly happy this is happening right now.
Dennis is a true kind soul. Absolute privilege to hear these 2.
They talked about what actually happens when you do psychedelics.2 fundamental things have happened every time I have done psychedelics. I feel connected to all living things, no sense of separation. And the chatter in my thinking mind becomes very minimal. Those 2 things taken together create a very powerful experience, that I take with me to help deal with my sense of separation, in everyday life.
The death thing really struck a chord with me because I watched my grandfather beat cancer once but then get it again and have an awful final year of his life. Everyone around him was making him push his time alive as long as possible but in reality he suffered for months, and he didn’t even want to.
I think as a society we are so scared of death that we push many through the same process, but maybe giving people a better outlook would be better. Maybe if my grandfather had taken some psychedelics he would’ve had a longer time of enjoying life towards those last couple years instead of a longer time actually alive but suffering. And if we all had accepted the reality of his situation, maybe we would have said the things we wanted to say before he was comatose because now none of us will ever know if he truly heard it
I'm so sorry for your loss , I went through the same thing with my father , his last few weeks were so awful for him .
Wow … what you said there / shared there is very munch @ the heart of the matter. We really do need to get the word out about how psychedelics can help people transition from life into death. This should be encouraged until it’s considered normal.
If all of the medical evidence points to the fact that the hearing senses are the last to go, you can rest assured he heard 'everything'. 🔥✝️🙏
If he didnt then he does now my friend. Fear not.
Not only he, your whole family should have taken it. As these two gentlemen suggested toward the end of the discussion. You are right, modern people are so scared of death to the point they do things that are counter productive. Just look at the past 3 yrs. Question is, who is doing the fear mongering and who benefits from it.
Death in all of its wonderful glory was explained to me through a series of DMT encounters. I spent what seemed an eternity in a timeless void whereby I was basked in an energy that introduced itself as "the creator" in the glowing radiance of a remarkably bright light. When I explained that I did not think I would ever overcome the grief of my mother's sudden passing, this energy allowed a loving warmth embrace me with an entity I intuitively felt was the spiritual essence of a maternal figure. I was drawn into a sensation of complete release and I felt as though a part of me merged with this figure until I became fully immersed in what can only be described as an eternal love. My fear and anxiety about death subsided immediately and I remain unafraid and with an acceptance of the welcoming embrace that awaits when the biological journey comes to an end. I credit these experiences as possibly the most profound events I have ever known.
That is beautiful...thank you for sharing that...it really hit home for me. Peace and love always. xo
The idea that your experience was merely a helpful illusion is in doubt.
Thanks for sharing your story.
The LoveLight heals all 🌞💖👁️
I have been struggling to explain my recent ayahuasca experience and you described it perfectly. Thank you
We need more conversations like this about these magical substances. Very few people have come out of a trip, even a bad one, and not learned something fundamentally positive and life-changing.
The demonization of psychedelics in our society has been a detriment to the psychological health of our entire species. Maybe that's why everything's so fucked up today.
I remember when my friends and I were first learning about psychedelics after high school and talking about it very constructively (as much as 18-19 year olds can anyway), and a kid who was going to the same high school we went to said, and I quote, "LSD? That shit's like crack!" lmao.
@@raulcanoescuder3082 PSA: Do NOT trust ANYONE advertising psychedelics online. ALL of these Instagram "psych vendors" are fake without exception. And even if there are legit ones out there, you're better off assuming they're all fake anyway because the chances of a legit source being on there are so astronomically low. These things are illegal almost everywhere (and I'd imagine definitely illegal to sell casually even if you can buy it from a legal store) and regardless, you should only acquire them from trustworthy sources and always test as much and as thoroughly as possible. I know someone who knows someone who was hospitalized from taking 2 tabs of 25i NBOMe before going to work. Said his boss turned into a witch or something and was having very confusing visual effects, then ended up unconscious and foaming at the mouth. He very nearly died that day, but luckily survived.
You are correct, this is why humanity has gone so completely insane. At least that's what I believe, as well as Terence McKenna. His book 'Food of the Gods', which is like my Bible, theorizes that human consciousness came about from the ingestion of psilocybin mushrooms by our primate ancestors over the course of 2 million years on the plains of Northern Africa. Then the Ice age hit and the mushrooms were gone, and we migrated out of Africa and then....history. Psilocybin mushrooms are what connected us to nature, to our mother earth. And history has been this nightmare in which we are trying to get back what was lost. Our connection to nature.
Looking at the world through this lens I have found that everything just falls into place so perfectly. It sounds out there and crazy at first, yes. But give it some time, give it a chance, and I'm certain you'll see the same - puzzle pieces falling into place perfectly
Oregon is only a few months away from beginning their psilocybin therapy program. It's going to change the world to have a safe, legal way for folks to get the help they need. I wish your brother Terrence was alive to see this day. ❤️
I'm not sure what he would say/think, as he so completely studied shamanic culture and understood it to the degree that he understood Western culture is far from it. Is the problem truly psychopathology or the culture?
Jiddu Krishnamurti said that "it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
Perhaps enough people can engage the plant Spirits and experience an unfolding that exponentially awakens us to the sickness of the culture and we can effectively change it? But, I'm afraid that taking these powerful entheogenic Spirits within a set and setting of Western allopathic psychopathology modeling will only enslave the Spirits. Do they work for us, or do we work for them?
@@TheSoulWhisperer this is an interesting take and i think there is truth to it, but what can we do about society ? You can't just change it like that
@@sigmamale4147 - perhaps not. But we can call it out and even resist it. One of the things Terence said that keeps returning to me in my own shamanic practice is "The shaman is a person who is able to transcend the dimensional confines of cultural existence. They know more than the people they serve. The people they serve are like children within the game of culture. Only the shaman knows that culture is a game. Everyone else takes it seriously. That's how he can do his magic."
I know that sounds rather arrogant, but it's true. It's true not because of judgement of better, or more, but because there's a universality to shamanic experience that transcends culture completely.
Terence understood the role of culture because he studied so many of them and I believe this gave him insights that helped him discern what was culture and what was real spiritual experience, real transformative power.
Another thing he said: "If you keep yourself as the final arbiter you will be less susceptible to infection by cultural illusion."
He spoke a lot about culture, and the sickness of Western culture. The death terror is one of the symptoms of this sickness. Going along this thought for.a brief diversion- I think this is where Dennis doesn't quite have it right. He talks about psilocybin working to help relieve anxiety of terminally ill patients by reminding them to be present to the moment. Actually, the soul science would say this: entheogenic journeys into the Spirit realms allow us to "practice" dying. They allow us the opportunity to die, to let go of the control afforded through our corporeal, rational materialist grasp on "reality", to leave our bodies and fall into the Spirit realm. This paves a way for dying, making it not some unknown and terrifying process, but offers a comfort in familiarity. The First People of the Americas often had 'death songs', similar to 'soul songs' that were unique to them and given early in life. They'd sing them in times of impending death and with the purpose of connecting to the journey into the Spirit realm.
Returning to your inquiry about changing society- we can transcend it. And we can be mindful of it and call it out. I think psychedelics offer a potential for a shamanic Renaissance, and certainly people like Rak Razam and Daniel Pinchbeck are in the ranks with Terrence in that regard. But this is one path of shamanic expression. Like anything there's a potential for the Western model to consume it. The ouroborus trap. This is why I believe the answer is shamanism, and not specifically psychedelics. I don't practice entheogenic shamanism for several reasons. I respect it if it's practiced in integrity. But it's why I'm here, commenting and willing to discuss- when we raise the awareness about these things it brings a hope of evolving (which sometimes actually looks like regression) in a manner that corrects the course we're on as a culture. It starts with the individual. And a willingness to resist and even rise above the cultural status quo.
Better than Canada where they now actually encourage assisted suicide on people for being "old and infirm" or for soldiers suffering PTSD or just for teens feeling teenage angst and depression. One way chooses life and the other globalist side chooses to kill you.
@@BooDamnHoo Oregon also allows assisted suicide. You do realize that there's quite a bit of hoops to jump through before a doctor will honor that request, right?
This is too cool. I was a fan of Terrence McKenna for years. I even had a copy of his *TIMEWAVE ZERO* computer program -- gone now after many computer's throughout the years.
I never had the opportunity to try ayahuasca. I have had many trips on LSD and Magic Mushrooms, and have been a life long pot smoker.
People who have never experienced psychedelics have no idea of what it is really like, and how profound the experiences can be.
*This conversation is so edifying and informative. I am glad so many have tuned in to view and listen.*
You're like me fr real
Do you plan on quitting weed? I think it's messing with my brain on a learning and memory level and I want to quit before having kids.
Terence McKenna had a different mind. Dennis jokes about their hippy circles back in the 70s where they would pass joints around and Terence would start talking while the others are rendered speechless. We are the others. Terence was unique and often gave bad advice (when in doubt, double your dose). He was flawed in many ways like the rest of us, but he wasn't completely honest about psychedelics. Dennis has talked about it but not entirely. Apparently Terence had a bad mushroom trip and quit psychedelics while still repeating "double your dose". It was his "shtick" as he called it and he wasn't going to let a bad trip stop him. If true, he should have been honest about it. The advice he got from "the mushroom" wasn't always good either. He said the mushroom told him Westerners should have less children because their carbon footprint is 50 times more than someone's from India. Maybe some people agree with that but I think it's bad advice. His insights and ability to speak like that on weed was fascinating. I think stoned ape theory is cool but timewave theory was mostly nonsense.
Dennis has told many stories which make Terence sound crazy, like wanting to create a kind of philosophers stone with his mind on really high doses of psilocybin mushrooms in the jungles of South America. It was deranged stuff about numerology which didn't make sense but being that high, I could totally see how you could fall for everything and nothing.
I feel like I've heard almost everything Terence has said and I read 'Food of the Gods' but it's been many years since I listened to him. As I get older, I'm more afraid of doing psychedelics. Weed is an almost daily thing and like Graham Hancock, I feel like it's preventing me from actualizing myself in the real world. Are you entirely content with smoking weed every day? Or do you want to quit too?
@@Free-SpokenMedia I stopped smoking pot more than 10 years ago. My memory is top notch. I stopped smoking pot and cigarettes because I have asthma and it chokes me up to inhale smoke. My asthma is not a result of smoking, I was injured by rubber cement fumes while spray painting the full size prop of the neck for the giant "Freddy head" in one of the Nightmare on Elm Street movies. Rubber cement blended with colored acrylic paints are used for painting foam rubber props in special effects make-up.
Kevin Yagher was an idiot for giving me the job and not supplying a proper filtered mask. I was a fool for not understanding the consequences.
@@Free-SpokenMediaI don't think TIMEWAVE ZERO was bullshit conceptually. If one looks back from today's perspective to December 21, 2012,, the end date of the TWZ postulation, it is apparent that a new global paradigm began to play out starting on September 11, 2021, and by December 21, 2012, a new global order and paradigm shift had taken place. The world did not end physically but a new world arose from the tragic and bizarre events from September 11, 2021 to December 21, 2012. philosophically speaking the old world did exhale its last breath on December 21, 2012. We seem to be on the brink of a new paradigm shift at this time as well. Crisis is upon us on too many fronts to count. Winter is coming.
@@Free-SpokenMedia any benzodiazepines will stop a bad psychedelic trip in its tracks within 10 minutes. You really should already be aware of this. My advice is stop everything and educate yourself for God's sake this is your brain and body. People have had heart attacks during bad trips. NEVER take a psychedelic without a benzodiazepine on hand.
Dr. McKenna was my professor in Minneapolis, and I joined his class partly because I had long known of his brother Terence but also because it was titled: People, Plants, and Drugs. Cool course about the long history of experimental uses of plants, focusing on long term health but also empirical first-hand testing per individual. He always struck me as open to any topic of conversation, even entertained an idea in my presentation that the burning bush in the bible is harmala bush, containing one of the ingredients necessary to have a dmt experience if mixed with acacia, another widely dispersed plant in the region who's wood was often used for bowls/containers. He also made a joke when I was describing dmt experiences, saying "I take it you have personal knowledge of this to describe it so well?" lol. Anyway, great to see him still doing great work for psychedelics and the welfare in general with that distinct voice of his.
How was the class? How long? And did you learn a lot
@@mplscorrupt6125 fantastic course, only one semester, all online unfortunately because I'm pretty sure he lived in Hawaii at the time for his Aveda duties, and he also has a farm that grows Ayahuasca ingredients I believe. I did meet up in person with a small group for several projects however and it was cool to see where their interests were, I gave one guy some acid tabs because he showed interest in it. I think we all zoomed like twice per week. The scientific subject matter was extremely dense yet somehow still approachable to outsiders of the botany field like myself (philosophy student). He was very open to alternative essay questions because of my lack of background which was very accommodating, but I also made sure to try to learn some botany and chemistry out of respect for the other students and the Professor. The other theme of the course was how society uses and reacts to plants, which is where I felt I excelled; the term used for that area of study is "ethnobotany". Dennis is a down to earth yet extremely learned and wise fellow, I'm glad to have (virtually) met him.
@@TheGoobsters Thank you so much for your time I appreciate you life is full of beautiful journeys do you have anything you feel you have learned about yourself through your trips .
@@mplscorrupt6125 hey sorry I took so long to see this. Thank you for asking. I wouldn't say I have anything particularly unique to add to the genre of trip reports, however I'd say I'm fairly resistant to, let's say, overly spiritual thinking. I tend to take all the experiences as alternative methods of taking information in through the senses and throughout the neurons, as opposed to taking on the strong feeling that it is information coming in from another dimension. Especially with DMT, that is a difficult sensation to avoid, but I take the dmt experience that so many relate to as a reflection of our deepest neural structures that we all share, not something exterior of us.
Anyway, my main takeaway from psychedelics is epistemic in nature, namely that the certainty that people walk around with and spout every day is quite hilarious. If you took the time to display the lack of foundation and axioms underlying their utterances, their whole web of opinions would fall apart due to the sudden realization that they both rest upon very little base structure and are connected with a fairly weak adhesive. My main area of study is Philosophy, and I took psychedelics initially with the express goal of deleting all extraneous or unfounded certainty, a very draining yet enlightening process. I wouldn't recommend it necessarily, as I found I also may have deleted many social queue type information that has made me seem awkward because I have deemed many of the little micro-games to be petty or goofy, or just fail to notice them at all. However, it's allowed me to, in my estimation, create an epistemic web of axioms from the ground up that seem the most grounded in reality and truth. Of course, I don't forget my initial goal, and am always attacking this pyramid. But that's all I can really say for now, I think, other than that I am definitely more sensitive to bright light now lol.
Beautiful conversation. I’ve been waiting on this convo between these two for a minute. It did not disappoint.
I can't find a source anywhere for any good psychedelics in my area. I suffer some pretty bad depression and i got a chance to try K and man it was a miracle substance, I felt free, the only high or euphoria was from the relief of my vices being released, that's exactly what it did
The psychedelic experience is temporary but many people have permanent results first shrooms trip was really awesome, it felt like i was deep into the sea
Magic mushrooms don't only help with mental health, they help amplify your empathy, if people were more empathetic the world would be a better place
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Got psych's
tripping is not a bad idea but having a Mycologist who will recommend you the dosage is the best option
@@Lisa78843 is he on Instagram or what?
As a pharmacist, I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. I rarely listen to a podcast in one setting but this definitely caught my attention. There is a significant need for further treatment in psychological disorders and perhaps ethno-pharmacology can provide some options. I look forward to reading your work doctor! I hope you know what you're doing can change so many lives to the better.
I agree very strongly. They are psychoactive to catch our attention. Whether there is intelligent design to the universe or not, plants which are good for the heart sometimes are shaped like a heart, or an ear or whatever. There are little markers all over the place for us to follow.
Something as interesting as psychoactive mushrooms or ergot fungus making lsd-25 has to be researched more fully.
I've never done or taken part in a study, but I've heard that microdoses of LSD can be incredibly fruitful for research into different psychological disorders, which we cannot deny are a serious issue intl the world today. It's not the guns, it's the people using them. Just as one example.
I've never done any, but would pay to be in trial. I take no medication but could if I chose to see Dr, I haven't seen one in 20 years. Healthy physically but extremely mentally damaged. I manage well 90 percent of time. But I've seen documentaries on plants healing emotions etc, i. would really appreciate someone pointing me in,, correct,, direction. Never practiced meditation but considering Dr joe D. Stuff on that.. so much information, knowledge, coming so fast nowadays.
Not if little pharma gets it's hands on it.
Pharmakeeeeeaaaaa!
@@pastorbrianbanks We actually need pharmaceutical companies to pay attention to this. They can look into the composition of the plant, figure out the active ingredient, decide the proper dosage, and hopefully conduct several clinical trials to prove efficacy and safety. If successful and FDA approved, they can mass produce it to help millions of people!
you dont want a mass psychosis. no...
As someone who has devoured every lecture Terence did I always thought it would be an brilliant conversation with JP if he was still around today but this has to be the next best thing
Same plus you can hear terence in his brothers voice
I don't think T would have agreed to do an interview with Peterson.
@@edwassermann8368 i think he would. JP is an advocate of psychedelics.
@@edwassermann8368 yeah he probably wouldn’t tbf! Especially all these included adverts
@@edwassermann8368 Why not? He was a seeker of knowledge and understsnding just as Peterson is
Thank you both for creating this epic video/ conversation!
Excellent talk. Bravo Mr. Peterson for opening this dialog. Thanks to Dennis for being Dennis.
Just listened to the extended interview on DW+. I encourage anyone who loves Terrance and has interest in his autobiography (think True Hallucinations) to check it out because it was incredible and tragic. It was the context I needed to help me place the long hours I have spent listening to and thinking about Terrance into the proper place in my life because him and Ram Dass both led me to you Jordan. God bless the McKenna’s and this interview for helping me realize the time wave in my own heart is not to be taken lightly.
Hello HELLO hello ... are you there?
Needed a dictionary to follow Terrence, but his passion and knowledge was absolutely enthralling! Watching these two respected intellectuals is really a treat. Nature has many mysteries for us to unlock.
Not being a jerk but did you mean Dennis?
@@velvetjones8634 No, I meant his brother Terrence McKenna.
Seems like Terrence was a fraud who just stole the thunder and ideas from his genuinely intelligent brother
@@velvetjones8634 I feel you bro. @kalista59 phrased this comment in a really stupid and obnoxious way
@@kalista9962 Got it.
Two of the more wise humans of our century together :) This is history. Thanks.
Many years now after a spiritual awakening...many things that I experienced were very hard to come to terms with once re-engaged into what I referred to as mundane reality. You have explained what I experienced Dr McKenna, in a simpler framework, which I really appreciate! No psychotropic were involved, but...from my own experience to have used drugs would have complicated it! My experience intensified for six months and caused a mental and emotional breakdown and affected all my sensory and olfactory processes as well as the enormous amount of data that seemed to be downloaded into me! I was aware of many things that before escaped my brains ability to take in! I experienced "out of body" and interdimensional shifting.However I did not encounter any entities but internally I was guided to books and to things such as multivitamins as well as a change in diet! From the start, the awareness that this was a spiritual event was strong!
Sounds like a dark night of the soul, my friend. There’s a bunch of resources out there but definitely looking into mystics who coined this term - St. John of the cross & I believe Theresa Avila would be beneficial to you ✨🙏🏽
Psychedelics helped me, and it saddens me that its use is still such a taboo subject
Thanks for talking about it, JP
The Object is nothing without the subject
@@tinfoilhatter on the contrary(at least with psilocybin) if you have any tendency towards psychosis, it's not a good idea to use them. Otherwise, they aren't particularly toxic. A bad trip can be harrowing but even those can teach the person something.
Hate to bring up politics, but hope you see how government made it taboo and has, for at least 50 years, sabotaged all the good psychedelics would have brought people. Take just one area - alcoholism. These drugs would have resulted in a reduction of at least 50%, probably more. And there are people who still want to give money, guns, and bullets to bureaucrats so they can impose their views on others. People are stupid.
@@tinfoilhatter I would recommend a tripsitter especially for your first time for most people. I trip alone and find that to be better for me.
Ask all new agers what they use to tap into the spiritual realm. Ask them how they end up contacting demons and ask them how they got rid of them.
Dr. Peterson is very much back to his best self in this interview, it's wonderful to witness after all he has been through in recent years.
So grateful for this conversation! Hope to listen/view more like this
I am so so happy that this meet happened! Great episode!
Psychedelics are popular in Australia for people who have treatment resistant conditions, and thus I left the military after 16 years to set up Enlighten Mental Health to support people who are using these substances recreationally. We offer psychedelic integration and harm reduction services in Australia right now and are veteran owned and operated. For those who may not be aware, ket is an approved treatment for DVA clients with PTSD and depression. Psychedelics may be a catalyst for change, but there are no short cuts. You’ve still got to do the hard work.
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Cool, do you have a website? /what is your outreach platform
We are so blessed to have so many hours of Terences lectures online
Sounds illegal
I feel the same about Alan Watts lectures on CZcams - I give thanks for them as often as I can remember to.
I love listening to this guy and his brother Terrence and very grateful they’ve got together to have this illuminating discussion.
I like how much space Jordan Peterson gives to Dennis McKenna to answer the questions. Too often the interviewers continually interrupt the interviewee.
Welcome to the Psychedelic Renaissance 💛
This is the kernel of how we heal the world, and adjust course through our glorious non-linear path through entropy.
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Interesting how disgusting weasels always corrupt interesting comments like yours with their bs investments.
How I wish his brother Terence was alive. Watched all his content on CZcams. Well worth a listen. Excited to hear this one out!
Terence McKenna and JP hashing it out, one can only imagine......
@@sinsemilla9876 Dennis has directly said this wasn’t true. But who knows
Thank you both. What a wealth of information.
Super stoked. Huge fan of Dennis, a legend in the Psychedelic world
why what in the name of heaven would attract you to such a degenerate
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Does Dennis have some health issues? Seems to be slurring, excess saliva, some muscle spasm, awkward gestures reminiscent of some autistics.
@@chris4814b he's always talked that way in every interview I've listened to.
@@chris4814b he appears to and I hope he thinks it was worth it. he reminds me of a logic prof i had in the 70s whose brain was drug addled but he had the honest to admit its cause I frankly at time did not know how he managed that as drugs really had not been in much circulation at the time. he is a very knowledgable botanist degenerate alto i feel his "redoubtable" brother was worse.
I was just thinking, Dr. Peterson, in one of your Genesis lectures, you read aloud an unsigned letter from a person who had a vision of you whilst using the ayahuasca. I have chills when I realize that vision has since been fulfilled with regard to you. You have an extraordinary role to play in this world.
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Very informative conversation between two educated gentleman qualified on the subject and open to learn from one another. Thank you for a worthwhile watch!
Thank you both for the stimulating if not at times painfully cerebral dialog! Painful in that I wished I was present to mediate and contribute my insights based on my own experience and the observation I made that it seemed as if an engineer was talking to a construction superintendent. The theoretical interface with the practical, hands on. That said, I think a fine job was done trying to quantify or crystallize a topic as ephemeral as consciousness. I was intrigued with the characterization of the entities. That similar classes of beings have shown up for different participants in the ceremonies from vastly different cultures could point to a few possibilities. Certainty the archetypes may be being accessed by a biological response to a certain class of compounds which would point to the possibility they exist within us. Similarly they may be part of the genetic compliment of plant itself. How can we quantify life. Yet, notions of the spirit of earth as Gaia, or Panchamama may explain the ubiquitous “Green Goddess” which many see and interact with while journeying under Ayahuasca’s influence. One last thing. As a 74 year old with a cancer diagnosis and a much younger wife, I’ve come to that appreciation for the goldmine that is this moment. The event horizon of my own demise has come out of the fog where it was kept for most of my life and made itself known. Now all I have ?or ever have had) is now. It’s made me a better person!
It means a lot to me that these discussions are available as they are. Thank you.
@@tinfoilhatter I love that two men of science and psychology so openly explore "beliefs" more than "knowings" about a subject matter that was essentially outlawed in the western world 50 years ago.
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I'm so excited for this!!!
Just had a dopamine boost seeing Dennis & JP Interview is out. Wow. What a wonderful world - we are actually able to see it. Love you all.
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The beginning when these two giants express gratitude to one another almost brought tears to my eyes❤
Gay
Why would that cause you to cry? Are you depressed?
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That’s nice Sean, you are obviously in touch with your feeling and they are very valid and important for you life! Congratulations Sir. Not everyone has hit that level of maturity yet obviously.
I love how Dr. Peterson just lets his guest talk. That is so awesome. Some popular hosts seem to have a difficult time doing that. Not to mention any names of course. But I do understand that those hosts just want to keep the show going with a certain amount of momentum. I can't really fault them for that.
But with this topic, nobody is in a hurry.
Also love that this discussion is being brought into view for the daily wire, and to see nothing but 100s of positive comments, this is a much needed discussion in these perilious times
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What a pinnacle podcast. I love this.
Gratitude, light warriors! Important to reach those drawn to your teachings.
Wow. I had wondered if you two would ever sit down for a talk and here it is.. I'm truly grateful for this one.
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They should sit down and take a trip together. Imagine JP the shaman! Wow. Just wow.
Thank you Dr. Peterson for all these discussions with people who have different points of view. It's a form of genuine communicational democracy, to give each and everyone a chance to discuss and advance their point of view without constraint.
First time when I did a high amount of DMT I was in very bad psychical shape, it was 2019. I meet there a Jester, who taked me into a trip to few different and weird realities showing me some weird tricks in the meantime.
After a while he did take a golden needle and pierced me with it in my solar plexus, it was super weird feeling because when he did that I feeld that something really did pierced my body.
I was afraid a little bit because he injected some sort of energy like fire into me through the needle and I it did flow through my entire body like lava, it was a burning sensation.
That trip was a point where my mental problems started to disappear, and I was in very bad shape from the youngest years of my life. (Hard social anxiety, body dysmorphia, depression, my ADD was become so weak that I can now do tasks without loosing interest after a while)
I don't know what he did to me but it's like my body energy flow was repaired.
The thing is I never did read anything about DMT or other psychodelic entities and I saw a lot of the ones that people are describing.
For me that is a prove that there is something more in psychodelic experiences, maybe we do connect to some mental internet like thing where we can meet other beings, and some of them can help us.
(Btw. I also meet a lot of unexplainable lovecraft like outer gods and other horrors so it's not only candy and roses.)
Next thing where psychodelics saved my life was when I got atypical Trigeminal Neuralgia after covid.
I had computed tomography which showed that there was infection which eated some part of my bone and probably that did do some damage to the facial nerve.
I've got attacks that went for like 8 hours each night, feeling unbelivable 11/10 pain. No painkillers and meds worked.
I searched internet from side to side to and I found out that there is a lady in Canada that got prescribtion for psilocybe for her TN.
I got magic mushrooms (Golden Teacher) and I tried it.
My pain attack didn't come that night and I saw a blurred being that was doing something to my facial nerves, It was like ghost that I barealy saw operated my face.
After that day (and it was one year and 2 months) I did not have an TN attack.
I hope people will open a little bit more to study psychodelics because for me, they not only healed my mind, they also saved my life. Because that pain every time when you go to bed, it was so horrible that just after two weeks I was thinking about suicide, I could not live like that.
What a fascinating conversation. Thanks for sharing!
I cherish Jordan, truly. To speak with such varied guests, truly priceless. Get where you can get
Love Dennis McKenna his brother Terrence was amazing. Have been waiting for this interview for awhile!! So excited!!
Dr. Peterson your interviews around psychedelics are some of the best out there. A great companion to this is the interview with Roland Griffith.
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Brilliant discussion. Very happy to see Dennis getting a little hyped on Jordans questions and ideas. He must be happy when people show interest in his slightly obscure but essential and amazing work. Thanks for helping me gain some valuable insights. I think for me psilocybin, dmt, mescaline feel a lot more earthier and organic with this amazing deep spiritual quality. Lsd can also be very hyper-interesting and I think also deeply spiritual at times. I think I remember Terrance saying something along the lines of a good trip takes practice, Almost like a meditation. Yes this resonates. Yes psychedelics are like defalt reality filter removers and or set amplifiers and set resetters. I really enjoy tripping in nature too . I also like combining lsd with tree meditation, I mean a special session like this only once every 3-6 months or something. I try to meditate wherever I can on most days.
Psychedelics in my mind have definitely helped me with a lot of emotional issues. I strongly believe psychedelics have made me a happier , healthier, and smarter( more conscious or more aware) person to some degree.
*One of the most beautiful mushroom trips I ever had was when my brother gave me his share of mushrooms that he picked that day before he left to go back to his family, So it was enough for 1 good dose, as we both did not find so many during that foraging session. I went back home alone to trip sitting next to the fire. Love ya bro ! I think his generosity that day made the experience a hundred times more amazing. Some tears of happiness for sure !
*It was so very beautiful being able to see my own life and issues from outside my own mind and see that I was blooming all along.
And how little silly things and other things we worry about simply dont bother me so much anymore.
But it's a work in progress Thanks guys keep going !
PS... I came up with a zen quote adaptation that you might like that rings very true for me. ~ Meditation is a lot like cleaning... Those that struggle with it, will benefit from it the most ~
I totally agree with you bro
This conversation is amazing to watch and listen too. 3 years ago the first 6 months of COVID the universe put me in the position to meet my first ever LSD dealer, I was consuming fruit pastels with 2 drops on each, 10 for £75. I was in a serious depression and I am diagnosed with ADHD to be clear and so you know my brain obviously operates a bit differently as a standard. At the end of the 6 months I was getting annoyed with how much I was tripping, my first sign that something had changed mentally for me. I then started to realise I was asking myself certain questions about my behaviour and direction in life. I had 4 fruit pastels left in the fridge, one side of me said to take them all and be done with LSD, so I did and from there I took off into the most amazing night of my life on my own, the times before had been 1 or 2 fruit pastels where colour and wavy symbols would appear anywhere I looked, hair would seem like it's moving on its own and rolling a joint was the hardest thing ever to do. This time round having 4 I felt like I went back to being a baby, i forgot how my door worked, just looked at it like hmmmm, this is in the way of where I need to get to, what's that sticking out, oh it turns, holy shit there's the place I need to get too... Seems ridiculous at first I'll explain why it's not soon, the next thing that happened I went to the toilet and boom mirror right in my face, changing from young to old all the way to feline, and then I got trapped in my eye pupil, like I kept zooming into it and back out and back into it until I pulled away. I went back to my room and found myself looking into the deep blackness of my off TV, no shit this cloud of all colours began to form, and with that stars, planets, moons, black holes, I was forming a universe in my TV, until everything around it began to melt, at which point the thought popped into my head, I don't want to go, I didn't want to leave reality so I looked away and put my head into my bed cover, then looked around and everything was normal again. The door was me telling myself to stop shutting doors on myself in life, the faces changing was I believe how I've never really loved myself in the way that I should, I don't know why though, and seeing myself change but remaining myself is again a lesson in I am who I am, the eyeball trap is my inability to separate myself from my obsessions in research, the universe building was me telling myself I have the ability to create the life I want and everything melting around that universe was my subconscious reminding me that the whole thing was a trip and pulled me back to this reality where I always was and have been but I haven't been living like I am in this reality, like I think a lot of us do by creating bubbles that we feel safe in. The none love for myself I'm guessing comes from the lack of physical love me and my sister experienced as children and I have to subconsciously let that go and move on. You know what happened the next morning? I signed up to adult college and now I am about to finish my first year of university in Bath, a gift from me to myself cause it took 6 months for all the LSD to wear off and then I was like ahhhhh, so I'm in college and I'm doing well, it's almost like whatever LSD does when it wears off gives us back the steering wheel, so be careful please and don't do what I did with the 4 fruit pastels, I wasn't in the best place and I'm not sure about the chance this type of change will happen for everyone.
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Don’t do anymore lsd. It is not the same.
I love how when you blink EVERYTHING resets.
How often we you dosing on 1-2 before doubling?
Every time I ever took less than, say, 5 I would mainly get body high and the feeling I get on the comedown (buzzy, I can "see" your aura) would be constant. Or I wouldn't feel anything at all for hours until I hit breakthrough after consuming more.
But that's also subjective.
There was a month where I had had half a strip night before Columbus Day, 3 days later took 2 tabs and was just as gone, a week after that had 6 and it was just the buzziness.
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Everything Dennis is sharing here is fuelling my confirmation biases from personal experience.
Most importantly maintaining humility with being aware of absolutely how little we actually know & how our brains filter out SO MUCH in order for us to function.
What we glimpse in the void beyond the veil via a psychedelic catalyst can’t be completely retained nor unseen.
Great conversation gents, thanks for this.
Thank you gentlemen for this conversation. It would be also interesting to research what our European ancestors knew about medicinal properties of plants native to their country. My Italian great grandmother in the late 1800 was invited all over Europe for her chiro-homeopathic healing methods. Her pharmacy was her backyard. There's so much knowledge we could tap into if we were interested.
wow do you have much in the wAy of records, artefacts, etc? sounds amazing!
greedy pharmaceutical companies.
Two legends. Was embraced in every single word.. Thank you 😊 💓
Huge Terrence fan and, by proxy, also love his brother. I really think we need more pioneer like these two in the world. I only wish T was still around.
There are hundreds of recorded hours of him speaking. He doesn't need a cult of personality. He delivered him message as was needed.
Dr. Peterson has VASTLY improved at not interrupting. He's of course a brilliant guy, but he did have the tendency to talk over and re-describe people's points when they're mid-sentence. But part of high intelligence is the ability to learn and improve approach, and now, he has far better self-discipline on that, and it's making him a top notch podcaster now.
Absolutely. He has really stepped up his interviewing game. Much better "flow" to the conversations.
I think he was already like that up until his near death, it's just taken the mind a bit to recover
I noticed that as well.
The part on reality hallucination, I've never heard someone explain it so perfectly, amazing 👏
What a great guy! Nice, awesome, smoothly moving interview. Thanks Jordan once more for that.
This was great. Thanks, Mr. Peterson. Dennis Mckenna certainly had a lot of insights to share with us.
As a Christian and former Psychonaut, I adore Terrence McKenna; this is a dream of an interview.
Christian psychonauts are an interest of mine and it seems a growing community. The Catholic mushroom communities in South America come to mind.
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I have wanted to see you with his brother Terrence Mckenna for years as I believe him to be wildly intelligent but, being no longer on this plane of existence that was impossible. Thank you for making this happen Mr. Peterson. You have made a man very happy today. I have listend to days of Terrence Mckenna lectures I dont care how out there he gets. That man truly understood the psychedelic experience and was incredibly well read. His voice helped me through many tough times through my teenage years and is the perfect example of a true anarchist. The Mckenna Brothers touched me in a way no other intellectuals have and I truly belive Terrence to be one of the greatest minds to grace this side of the universe. The same could be said for his brother Dennis. Again, thank you for making this a reality for so many "Mckennanites" lol. Not to put words in a dead man's mouth but Terrence I believe would be ashamed at the state of universities across the country.
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Why do you think that? In regards to the final part of your comment, about the colleges :)
@@erri4433 Because current colleges and universities are full of radical leftists who don’t respect free speech and will resort to destruction and violence to stop it.
Loved this conversation! Long been a fan of you, Dr. Peterson, as well as the McKenna brothers from years long ago. I wish though that your discussion of Ayahuasca users meeting “entities” within their experiences had included a discussion of similar experiences of users of Salvia Divinorum. I don’t recall from Terence & Dennis’ books if they had used Salvia, but can’t imagine that they hadn’t. But, also I would like to have heard more openness to other explanations besides that of the archetypal creations of our imaginations. I recall the powerful experiences of M.Scott Peck, described in his book People of the Lie, for instance, where in his experiences with exorcism he became convinced about the reality of ‘demons’, or trans dimensional entities, which can have powerful influential effects on people. Anyway, thank you both for your contributions to our mindfulness.
Good to see you looking and sounding so happy Dr P 👍🏻
This is like a corner of the internet where you can't find insanity. only curiosity, progress and humanity.
Well said.
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Thank you very much! I can't get enough of these psychedelic related conversations by dr. Peterson!
So glad to see these two together! Iove them both equally...we need more men like Dennis and Jordan God Bless you two!🙏🏻✌🏻🤍
Best interview I've ever listened to
@Russell Brand eh thank you man.
Absolutely crazy seeing a Peterson McKenna talk, this will be interesting
Thank you Dr. Peterson for your endless journey to finding the knowledge and bringing it to great discussion that's easily digestible
HIs brother saved me from a life of mundane nonsense, My life has been filled with pure magick, and its all thanks to the mckenna brothers, After having certain experiences , life is never the same again
It's nice to hear Jordan Peterson talk freely on such important topics
I whole heartedly believe Microdosing on a massive scale could save this world and courtly on every level… mentally, emotionally and spiritually etc. I see it starting to happen…
I don't. Miracle drugs might be helpful in some instances, doesn't mean it will be a 1 shoe fits all fix
Wow! I’m so excited to see that this interview happened! Love both of their work!