Consciousness, Chaos, and Order | Dr. Robin Carhart-Harris | EP 314
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- Dr Jordan B Peterson and Dr. Robin Carhart-Harris delve into the world of psychedelic research, their utility in therapy, and the impact they can have on neuroticism. They also explore broader aspects of psychopathology, brain imaging, optimized play, and the way trauma can warp our perspectives of the world.
Robin is the Ralph Metzner Distinguished Professor in Neurology and Psychiatry and Director of Neuroscape’s Psychedelics Division at the University of California, San Francisco. He moved to Imperial College London in 2008 after obtaining a PhD in Psychopharmacology from the University of Bristol. Robin has designed human brain imaging studies with LSD, psilocybin, MDMA and DMT, and several clinical trials of psilocybin therapy for severe mental illnesses. Robin founded the Centre for Psychedelic Research at Imperial College London in April 2019, was ranked among the top 31 medical scientists in 2020, and in 2021, was named in TIME magazine’s ‘100 Next’ - a list of 100 rising stars shaping the future. His research is creating system-level change in mental health care.
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(0:00) Coming Up
(1:00) Intro
(2:50) Implicit learning
(7:52) Tuned perceptions, warped vantage points
(12:00) Rebirth, rapid new learning
(16:00) Alcoholism, unlearning pain
(20:22) Neuroticism, Freud, and the disconnect
(24:00) Cascading depression
(30:10) Functional depression
(35:30) The source of psychopathology
(46:48) The psychedelic experience
(49:47) Genetic mutation, error correction
(53:30) Micro and macro environments
(56:33) The multitude within
(58:39) Piaget, optimized play
(1:04:00) When play is absent from the system
(1:07:25) Depth of play, levels of engagement
(1:09:55) Local minima
(1:13:29) Psychedelics and antidepressants
(1:17:40) Creative surging under influence
(1:21:30) Every benefit has a cost
(1:23:32) Terrance and Dennis McKenna, false positives
(1:26:15) Paranoid Schizophrenia
(1:29:26) The feeling of confidence vs. uncertainty
(1:33:33) Exposure therapy, building up bravery
(1:35:00) Brain imaging, mapping experience
(1:38:40) Entropic brain principle
(1:40:00) Between order and chaos, Marduk
(1:44:16) Signatures of criticality, the Alpha Rhythm
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I'd just like to say you have been my shining light in a room full of darkness. I was a 30 year old failing graduate with 0 career prospects (working a deadend job, barely making ends meet). My friends/ family had lost all faith in me, disregarding my presence in every dimension; this then compounded upon itself for over a decade and my soul felt like it was imploding (close family members even tried putting me on medication on multiple occasions to tackle my 'psychological inadequancies') inadvertently as a biproduct of this I felt intrinsically useless/ broken. I suffered from multiple physical injuries that never healed for many years only catalysing my anxiety and lack of fulfilment. After stumbling on your videos you reawakened my belief and hope. You don't truly understand your impact on my life (and as an extension my family and friends lives). Your voice of concern has fundamentally changed me, I am (and the people around me) truly in your debt. Quite frankly, words cannot describe how I feel about you. You are far more than a father figure to me and someone I will forever cherish. Thanks to your guidance and watching hours upon hours of your lectures I finally found the courage to reset and take control of my own existence. I upskilled myself and soon after a good company took me in on a very low level positon (I was still very grateful). I've been there for 18 months and I've just been informed I'll now be leading the department I was originally hired into.
I doubt you'll ever get the chance to read this but it would be dishonourable for me not to share this message with you and show my infinite gratitude to you (amongst millions of others). The world needs you JP. Don't go anywhere ❤
Beautiful.
Wow. You are incredible. So glad you found Jordan’s advice helpful. Don’t forget to thank yourself for being self aware enough to analyse the situation in the way you have and to congratulate yourself on actively taking on his advice and putting the work in that you needed to do in order to improve your situation. Great work!
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Many of us here, lurking among the viewers, with very similar experiences of the value of Jordan’s work. 🏆❤
I’m pretty much infinitely grateful. ❤
Welcome to the club, this is what JP has done to most of us!
We are flooded with "knowledge" these days, yet we are starving for "wisdom". Very few role people have the prudence to pick out the TRUTH from the vast amount of information out there. You, Jordan, are one of these few. And for that, we are immensely grateful. On behalf of everyone Jordan, thank you.
Well said brother
Yes SCREENSHIP!
Honestly, so much crap out there on the internet... so hard to keep track of it all!
I agree, thank you Jordan!
Knowledge is basically useless, it's all about taking action!
Psilocybin saved my life . I was addicted to heroin for 15 years and after Psilocybin treatment I will be 3 years clean in September . I have zero cravings . This is something that truly needs to be more broadly used in addiction treatment .
Psychedelic is the answer to most severe anxiety and depression ... The use of magic mushrooms completely helps one get over depression and makes you feel like yourself ... I used antidepressants for some years but it only made me feel like a zombie but with immediate use of mushroom in few months I feel like I'm living a whole new Life .
I have researched and found out that shrooms are very helpful , it has really helps to reduce anxiety and depression . I would love to try magic mushrooms but I can't easily get some , Is there any realiable source I can purchase one
I was having this constant , unbearable anxiety because of stress. Not until I also came across Dr.Mile a very intelligent mycologist. He came through for me with his knowledge on psychs.
I’m feeling the same way too. I put too much on my plate and it definitely affects my stress and anxiety level. I am so glad to be part of this community.
I do microdose on shrooms and other psychedelics and I can say it has improved my daily attitude. I'm more focused and feeling less trauma. I don't do it just for the trips, take a mini dose to ease my brain receptors. I can confirm that I have had some of the most profound mind bending experiences a human can have in their lives.
I'm not in a position to get back to university, but I get free education from these videos which are a valuable and time-saving alternative to studying. Thank you Dr.Peterson.
The universities nowadays are just brainwashing our young people.
Sizzuck his dizzack a bit harder brah!
@@AFringedGentian
My daughter knows that she's getting brainwashed with various pronouns & trans ideology.
@@AFringedGentianf you can get through that wear the honor for what is. Suffering through a track that is not what it used to be. One that speaks of wealth, or ability to fulfill the metrics over several years. What you learn is convenient and can be quite enlightening. But it’s largely trappings so others know you are part of the club. And that’s critical. Just now poor all around for measuring much else. I guess grad school is for more, but really people waste massive sums of money for not much there.
Consuming and applying knowledge like this is where you can find your true meat. Over 10 years how will that have compounded? Hopefully we’ll if done right.
Really what really do you think you have learned from this ?
I hope someone that reads my comment finds this useful in some way. For context, I am an adult male that has experienced childhood trauma added with the the increasingly common absent father. These things had left me with emotional "impairments" from childhood that became more obvious and hindering as I got older.
I was going through the darkest time in my life a few months ago. I was a dead man walking, literally. I was at the point of ending it all, the cowardly easy way out. I was desperate to find anything but having experienced drug use in my 20's I knew that was not the path of truth and enlightenment. Long story short, I ended up trying psilocybin a few months ago.
I don't know how to explain it properly but all I can say is I woke up the next morning like a new person. I felt a calmness, I got up from bed and looked around me and felt peace, gratitude, and love. Love for myself and things around me. The things that might have aggravated me before now make me smile and shrug off. It was like a switch was flipped in my mind while I slept after my experience with psylocibin. I didn't even take enough to have a deep trip! But I was changed somehow, all the anxiety, depression, anger and resentment vanished completely. Even now when I explain it, it doesn't sound real. But all I can say is it literally saved my life. So if you're reading this, don't give up, no matter how hard it may seem. There is hope! I've been listening to Jordan for 4 years but sometimes we need something that makes a change internally. Words aren't enough for some of us when our mind is broken.
Thanks for sharing.
Good to hear you’re doing better.
@@AlanCarson726 I appreciate that Alan, hope you're also well.
Another psyconaut amongst us!🫶✌️❤️🍄🙏💪
Good journey, brothers and sisters!🥰
Thanks for sharing, I'm glad you're feeling better!
Hey, and thank you for sharing this. - I know exactly, what you are writing here. I wish your life will be well from now on to the future.
- Greetings from Finland -
I have been diagnosed with depression since I was a child. October first 2022 I did a ton of mushrooms to get high. Ended up spirit traveling and when I woke I was different. My depression was completely gone. Still gone to date and I'm living my life
KEWL!
Nice! I always love to hear when shrooms help. May I share? As well? I did a cap and stem together. Nothing big, just wanted to test the material. The maxim of the high was like a dream state, it was that spot just before falling asleep. In my imagination, I watched this deeper part of me taking the wall covers off to reveal hundreds of nervous system paths, they were all tangled together and when an emotion would erupt it would fire through those other ideals as collateral too. Where it was like yours is that when I became sober, I didn't have to contemplate the truth.l, I just felt it within and the depression was non-resonant. Only side effects was, that I felt like I was in the matrix again. I saw everybody's programming. I reintegrated after a few days. Minus that crippling pain. Thanks for reading.
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Makes me want to invest in Big Pharma all in on mushrooms, thanks for the stock tip.
Remember to make important, long-lasting key changes in your life so that when the post-trip bliss wears off you have a lot to fall back on instead of just going back to your usual life
I have a lot to thank Joe Rogan for. Got into his podcast as a 22 year old MMA fan with no interest in academia (or so I thought). I'm now 31 and can't believe cage fighting led me through a ripple effect from Rogan, to people like Peterson and ultimately Nietzsche. Crazy.
He would kick your ass
Mine was judo, Joe, prison, nietzsche, Peterson etc...
I took the road less travelled, dropping out of uni, but privately studying intellectual topics (I assume to make up for my academic failures), then fairly recently discovering Joe Rogan, who has opened up a whole new slew of people to listen to and things to study! Joe is an extremely valuable individual, not least through the Covid debacle. His influence is incalculable.
@@tomwinterfishing9065 I came from a working class family in the north of England, and education post 16 years old stopped when I became a young father. As I got older, I found myself craving intelligent conversation and knowledge and Joe's podcast was where I found it.
I now rarely listen to his podcast, as there's so much more media now for me to consume but I'll forever be grateful. Without Joe, I would be a completely different person now as an adult and father.
I loved sports and played football my whole life. But I was always also into science and philosophy very much. Kind of a a weird mixture of nerd and jock.
But Rogan was everything I hoped for. The most brilliant minds conversing in depth. It's a free education and more
The secret in my marriage about who should change was this. I prayed about it. I asked God to help me change how I responded to the problem. As I changed me, God worked on him. Oh praise the Lord for that wisdom. Our marriage turned around and we loved each other again.
That is so beautiful. God bless you and your husband.
🙏🏼🙏🏼🥰
Well done. You have to change because you are the only person who you can change directly. The only way to change them is to change yourself.
I use Dr. Peterson for a litany of audio/visual information in my men's specific wilderness based wellness and recovery program here in the united states Pacific Northwest, the astronomical improvement I've seen in my guys livelihood and demeanor who take part in "Silliboi" assisted therapy and micro dosing is absolutely astonishing. The amount of trauma in this world that men hold is extremely daunting and unfathomable in it's extent. The exponential growth that the therapy and mding ushers in is more than anything I have ever seen in any other formal intent, it's really too bad that the war on consciousness has become an offensive anti-wellness front for the US government and it's lackeys. I applaud all who continue research and are pioneering plant medicine alternatives, given to us by our creator, to further our wellness as a whole.
GOOD ON YOU.
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I’ve been interested in JP for about 3 years now, and what keeps me fascinated is he seems to have a calling to explore the potential of what could be. I think he’s comfortable with not knowing , which makes him a great information explorer.
Not knowing is the first step to the infinite because the infinite can’t be comprehended.
As a student studying psychotherapy and trying to get into the field of psychadelic-assisted psychotherapy, these lectures are so amazing. Obsessing over psychedelics as a profound pharmacological aspect of therapy I can say for sure within the coming years the future of mental health depends on it. Imagine combining therapeutic approaches like CBT and client-centered therapy with the use of psychedelics. It would be so amazing not only for the client but for the therapist to learn new methods of practice !!! Thank you for the informative content Dr. Peterson. P.S I use a lot of your thoughts and philosophical explanations of the world in my work as a student and will continue to use them in my work as a therapist in the future. Also, i would love to hear anyone's experience of using psychedelics and how it helped or did not help them in their mental health process, this would help me a lot as a student learning about what types of experiences create transformations in individuals. Thank you !!!
Thx for your sharing. Without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, do you just rely on doctors for spiritual treatment such as hallucinations? There may be some effect, but the patient may not be completely cured
I had the opportunity of being able to experience the world through the LSD lens. I learned much more through this experience than from any other conscious experience. Experiences and lessons that are unobtainable through natural means.
Its The agenda behind it. Just like energy (Green. And basically all of The industries). The corps pushing it for control cus public school isnt 100% anymore. Too many outliars. Look up matthew north, he got killed exposing them. J rogan etc. And their criminal drug comedians business and agenda promoting. Personally i have nothing against free will and the use of natural products. Unfortunately ud be Lucky to get weed thats actually a whole other type of strain. Not fundamentalt changed by montsanto just to make profits and control of The plants structure. Their total reign of seeds and modified, unhealthy food. The seed and farming industry totally over run and corrupted. Well, hope People will research it and for ones not just swallow and look The other Way.
I've used mushrooms (liberty caps) on and off for years. I'm rather prone to depression, holding onto inconsequential issues and wallowing in a certain amount of gloom. I also suffer from needing/seeing(?) too much structure in all aspects of life, possibly due to autism, dunno really. Mushrooms give me a way to step out from my own narrow reality, let go of all the accumulated shite and treat myself as someone I'm willingly helping which has helped immensely with getting my priorities straight.
Lol your trying to sound smart but is truly tarded brah
I'm a 24 years old male who had been strugling with trichotollimania for the probably last 14 years, just 11 days ago, I went to Amsterdam to use magic truffles to cure it. After using it i felt like i was reborn and the stress that was making me pull out my hair is almost totally gone.
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@adem I have trichotollimania too. Any tips?!
@@JM-co6rf Tips usually don't work :/ and i have none.
English is my second language and sometimes i have hard time follow JP highly articulate description of the subject, but he is pretty good to make it comprehendible at the end of the thought process .. One of the biggest benefit of me learning english is i can listen him for few years now . He is a walking "library"..
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Better than that, people used to have to personally visit wise men or go to the prestigious universities they worked at. Today, you can always find him online even at 2 AM, from wherever you are.
@@charlesc.9012so true
This man is so needed in the world right now ! I’m always super interested and sometimes reduced to a blubbering mess but always thankful I listened ! Thank you so much Jordan ! ❤
@Bryson Martinez ?
@@stephenpaccone8120 ? Confused ?
Sizzuck his dizzack a bit harder brah!
@@jessicabutts5291 BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you're killin me!
That's hilarious because J.P. is a blubbering mess. He has no idea what consciousness or God are, but assumes/prays that God is a vengeful character 🤣
Re: Rebirth - so, rough childhood, by the time I got to my 20's I had a lot of issues with how I viewed myself and how I interacted with others. I started using mushrooms and each session was a hyper-real first person training video..."look, this is what you said to this person...this is how it made them feel", I could feel what the other person felt...I was shown the consequences of my behaviour...this happened over and over and over. It wasn't all bad - after each lesson I was shown funny things, so each session had me laughing then crying then laughing then crying. Mushrooms are absolutely the thing I needed to straighten me out...once the very rough edges of my character were resolved, we started to shift gradually in to more spiritual matters, for want of a better term. I used the drug over a period of 30 years...then they asked me stop and suggested I take up yoga. So I did. When I say that the mushrooms were "life-changing"...it doesn't come close to capturing the positive influence they had on my life.
I'm curious, how did they contribute to your spirituality?
One major problem is personal efficacy. Psychology often only focuses on internal thoughts and beliefs and not the efficacy of the individual. A lot of stress can be generated by the external world if one is incompetent or struggling to manage the external world. This can be both an individual and societal problem. The extremes on both sides blame either the individual or the society but psychology often focuses solely on the individuals perspective and self beliefs which can be a waste of time or ignoring the serious external problems the individual needs solved. I think this happens because a lot of times the external problems are difficult if not impossible to solve and it's easy to analyze a person's thoughts and provide interpretations of their beliefs and perspectives that can give them a re-frame but will not hold in an onslaught of external problems if they aren't given new abilities or knowledge that can help them solve the external problems and become more efficacious.
The stress is, in part, due to our schizophrenic society. To be able to face and survive in this world, one must be, to some degree, aggressive, or at least fight for a place in it. This means, you will often need to beat and compete with others. But society, frowns on competition, frowns on men competing and becoming dominant. Simultaneous they frown on incels, products of a society putting males in a social straightjacket.
In a world where you are damned if you do and damned if you don't, the stress (and hopelessness) prevails.
I'm only concerned with my personal efficacy. It's that failure that drove me into the abyss of suicidal ideas for several years. Economic stability allowed me to finally get an effective mix of medicine and therapy. It took about a decade to actually feel that I have settled into a healthy mental space.
@@gaslitworldf.melissab2897 Glad to hear it! I was in the same boat for quite a while and still am though as my economic situation improved so did my mental health. And as my financial situation gets worse it becomes harder and harder to not fall back into addictions and self destructive behaviors/attitudes despite all the psychological tricks I have learned and progress I've made.
I agree. I was raised by psychopaths, narcissists, paedophiles and their enablers. School was a nightmare, up to and including university level (I dropped out due to sexual threats!)
I married young, had children young all the time striving for safety and sanity. All the time under constant attack from my family of origin.
Decades later (2 decades of therapy later) I still struggle with issues of poverty, complex ptsd, marginalisation, societal abuse etc etc. especially at this time of the year(Christmas period which is a huge trigger!)
I healed immensely after the majority of my enemies died by natural attrition. But I still have a long way to go. I am currently 57. Sometimes it seems hopeless but I have created a life for myself even under worse circumstances. Miracles do happen. I am still a work in progress. I have never partaken of psychedelics ie dmt, psylocybin, lsd) which are purported to heal cptsd. So I watch these debates with speculative interest.
@@tdarons I'm sorry you had to go through that and it seems like you have done well for yourself despite the unfair and traumatizing life you have survived. It is clear from people like you that not all people have the same difficulty level in this 'game' called life. I am interested in psylocybin and lsd for healing as well though I have done mushrooms before and had some awful trips. I think it was because I didn't have the right 'set and setting' and also hadn't done enough inner work. I'm still skeptical of doing it again unless I had someone to help guide me through it I trusted due to my psychology being somewhat paranoid. I think it's a great tool though and could be useful for many in the right circumstances. But it's always good to remain skeptical especially when the claim is a one time cure.
Maybe ask DailyWire+ to insert advertisements between conversation segments, rather than between question and answer? I understand that the advertising is part of the deal, but it's difficult to hold complex multi-part questions in my head while the conversation is suspended for an advertising insert.
Great conversation, and thanks for continuing to make your content freely available to the world. I feared it would all disappear behind a paywall, but you seem to have worked out a deal that benefits everyone.
Agreed. Ads in between makes it feels like valuable “extra content” rather than an annoying obstruction.
get an adblocker
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I'm here to say that I will be watching this many and many times over . There are some gold nuggets of knowledge packed in this episode 😉
Dr. Peterson thank you for all the messages, advice and help you are giving to us men especially of the younger generation....God bless you
1:32:00 Alien possession, I can absolutely relate to this in a large dose I had recently. It felt as though the mushroom had spread itself across my sensory array because it was seeking to experience the existence of what had consumed it. I had very sad traumatic thoughts coming up, which the mushroom 'entity' was trying to communicate that I should just laugh them off and be happy. I could not, and thought that this 'entity' doesn't understand the implications of my thoughts, and the associated pain. It was really cool actually. It then populated my lungs and reprimanded me for smoking not in words but making them burn to a worrying amount; quitting was one of my intentions for the trip, which I did do successfully the next day (although it wasn't just out of the blue, I had been preparing and weaning for months).
5:30 ; 11:00 unconscious - implicit category system to perceive the world through; in the structures that goern perceptual categories
13:15 rebirth
16:54 neuropharmacologically inducing effects post-stress. it's interesting bc meditation is like a baseline psychedelics experience and all these ppl. like Wim Hoff basically say they can in
duce physiological responses via breathing exercises that make you "high on your own supply."
20:40 hyper-stress response and re-inducing awe in perception
28:10 very interesting, so there's no inhibiton
48:30 and maybe this refers to "letting go"
1:10:44 play
1:12:30 meditators
1:13:55 psychedelics put play in the system
1:22:00 serotonin
1:33:00 risk of psychedlics
1:46:30 self-entropic theory
It’s easy to play with ideas in conversation with someone in your daily life because you can see their reactions and facial expressions as you play, for instance, you can gage approach or intensity and adjust appropriately. Using social media however, I could be getting too close to the edge for someone’s comfort, but there’s no way to gage it until after I’ve already written the thought or argument and hit the send button. That’s a problem I think with social media, there’s no attunement (is that the right word? Synergy, alignment); constantly either one or the other is leading with each response, receiving zero facial or body language cues. My thought might take me to the edge and I’m having fun, but the reader may go over and I wouldn’t know it until it was too late. And unless you know someone, you don’t understand their personal sensitivities either. What’s a beautiful ring of golden knowledge for me may be another’s horrible rope of despair. It’s like trying to play with your eyes closed - at the cliff’s edge! Most of the time I think it doesn’t pose a problem. But when people are passionate about a topic or issue, things can get uncalibrated. This probably doesn’t have anything to do with psychopaths, they could care less if their blind or not I would think bc they aren’t playing to begin with. They’re just out to harm.
By the way, I almost passed this one up because of ‘magic mushrooms’ but this was so much more than the title indicated. Glad I stopped in to listen. Carhart-Harris is a very interesting guy~
6:58 I've thought for a while that many of the things that are conceptualized as psychopathologies are actually the effect of an error in learning analogous to the pianist building the habitual system of playing the wrong note. To tie this to how we treat psychopathologies with drugs, we treat these things like they are static when they really might be a form of "bad learning" at a deep level that we just can't yet "touch" because of their subjectively experienced nature. Things like Cognitive Behavioral Training I think are the start to this, and I've wondered if things like Neuralink might be the next step by being able to track neural activity of an individual throughout the day since this is really where these maladaptive strategies play out.
You are right, but there are new studies that involve microbiome that adds even more complexity. Microbes have been shown to effect behavior, one study involved healthy mice and mice with depression cause by antibiotics. End of the study concluded that lactobacillus changes the mice behavior and sent signals to the brain that prevented depression. Your microbiome changes the way you perceive the world, if your perception is different then what you learn is different.
@@2100suprafreak Imaging a television screen showing the shakespearean tragedy, behind the screen is a technician who is monitoring the electronics using sophisticated measuring devices. The technician is able to tell you if the colour values, sound quality and picture resolution are correct and exactly how they can be tracked and adjusted. The viewer, in front of the screen, is watching the tragedy unfold on the screen exposing the complexities of the human condition. Neither individuals are aware of each other and thus their perceptions of what is significant are totally different....... is this where we are going?
I've been watching Peterson for years now, and listening to him converse with another psychologist is still such a gauntlet
I really liked the discussion around play vs. domination, and how a mutual benefit is maintained in play necessarily, or it ceases to be play. I have been thinking recently on cooperation vs. competition on a larger social scale. For example, let's look at the need to quell cancer. Supposing in the current socioeconomical climate (let's call it capitalism), a cure for cancer was found and could be converted to pill application. What would be the likely outcome? It would be patented and sold for as much as could be economically justified compared to other forms of treatment. May well result in a $10,000 pill. Suppose a different socioeconomical system (apart from capitalism) in which cooperation was esteemed, instead of domination, what could the outcome yield? The formula could be shared, scrutinized, improved, perfected, and scaled in a exponentially higher level of efficiency and effectiveness, with a network of skills and knowledge that cannot be duplicated by any size of organization or resources in a domination (competition) format. I have not explored a large breadth of scenarios, but I feel fundamentally, this logic seems to hold weight. I would love to hear others' thoughts on this train of thinking. What is cooperation doing for growth, that a large scale cooperation, motivated in a similar direction could not provide and/or improve upon?
I'm not sure what & when the ideal ratio is found.
I'm reasonably certain that there is a yin yang type of relationship & they're both neccessary & somehow two sides of the same coin.
As JBP said at approx 35:00 it has to a base function. If we hypothesize that the "fight or flight" response is over active then that would put the depressed person in a state of constant stress. The impairment of of executive function (self control, planning etc.) could be due to it being over ridden by the fight or flight response. The F or F could be so strong that it could suppress/skew all? the higher order functions such as complex/adult self image ( I'm a rotten and worthless person), ability to socialize (RUN cuz this is a dangerous situation what ever the situation is). If executive function is walled off/isolated due to the F or F response (can't stop to think it through when the tiger is about to eat your head). Psychedelics may break down that wall and re-integrate or strengthen the exec. func., allowing a change in self image, learning, memory, emotional regulation. Tripping on shrooms, DMT MDMA is an integrative experience???? OK roast me for my rantings
Side note, this guy was subject of a documentary you can watch on Netflix called "Magic Medicine" I believe.
And Neurons to Nirvana.... I believe.
Sometimes it seems that Dr Peterson invites people on the podcast as an veiled excuse to talk about the subject the guest specialize and I love it😁
Duh.... of course he talks about what the guest specializes in
So you love Jordan Peterson’s pathology of thinking he is the most intelligent person in every case because he has a very strong and multifaceted world model that he troubleshoots constantly in discourse without ever letting the argument be presented in a deep and meaningful way because he can’t shut up? Interesting, you must be an incel with absolute maniac depression of which you get a large dopamine hit because your ego has latched onto JP’s intellect as a gross tumor of your own greatness and is lift with each perceived win in civil discourse.
I thought that was the point lol, or what we're you thinking, Jeopardy style topics?
A kind of throwaway comment in this discussion, if we can call it that, that I am very interested in is the notion that mania is the impulse or ability of cognitive and category reorganization, but what it is missing or or has some defect in is the catalyzation. So, in effect, you have the upwelling of arguably increased perception plus generative activity, but the ability to transform that into something sustained and useful on the back-end is compromised. Either way, it's like going through the trip without any back-end shift. There's the experience of a rapid-fire experimentation with different connections, but nothing actually gets rewired. As I think about that more, there's also a component to mania which often involves returning to essential narrative or delusion, and so in that sense, it's like there's all this hyper experimentation with new connections, while at the core, there is this very rigid catalyzation, or what they are referring to in some places as overlearning. It's interesting that even in this kind of whirlwind of potential new connection generation, there is this rigid overlearning that stands at the center, unfazed and untransformed.
Quick note: I’m a huge fan and believer of synchronicities. As soon as I started typing Mr. Peterson mentioned Mircea Eliade. I’ll speak more on Eliade
In a bit.
I’m 46 years old and I’ve been in and out of institutions since the the early 20s and suffered from addictions most of my life. I’ve lived a rather exciting life coming from a small border town in (Laredo) Texas.
LSD did improve my life as well as this medication called Neurontin which I’ve been taking since 2012. It’s fair to say that Neurontin made it so much easier for me to remain sober for 10 years away from cocaine, alcohol and Xanax. I’ve also been an avid church goer for over 2 decades so haven’t given up on spiritual faith yet I’ve develop a lot of faith on Tarot readings as well. I do my own readings and use them as psychotherapy sessions.
Back to Mircea Eliade, It was last year when I got fed up with my own cowardice and lack of responsibility.
I remember I watching Malidoma on CZcams which happens to be a gifted healer while starting to read Rites and Symbols of Initiation by Eliade. Lets just say all I remember is that there’s 6 countries in the world where in order to be welcomed to adulthood (Rites of Passage) an adolescent has to be left in the middle of wilderness for 24 hours while the village dresses up as beasts, monsters, etc. I chuckled after that because I remember blowing on a cake on my 18th birthday, I think I did since I was always under the influence but I was always “mommy’s little boy.”
Well anyways, for some reason since 2 years ago the Law of Attraction new age philosophy was the biggest trend at that time in our city and out of spite I decided to manifest something that till this day I have no idea why I was hateful and ruthless against myself I felt at that time. I just didn’t feel love for myself whatsoever. And well, it went a little something like this:
The way people describe God sounds like they’re describing processed cheese. God, Jesus… murder me twice than thee.
I remember calling 2 of the most responsible adults in my life and explained to them what I was doing and why. I guess I was just bitter and thought that if I really want to “love” I have to prove it first. And so since then I’ve been on this incredible journey that I don’t feel is useful to say because my out of the world experiences will be shot down and I want to remember them as valuable to me.
Let’s say when you get on a intense spiritual journey, everything that comes out in daily tarot reading, daily scriptures and mental spiritual downloads coincide with each other. Thankfully this past Monday, December 12,2022 my son was with me before, during and after evening Mass that he got to witness first hand what I’ve been trying to explain to other close friends which still doubt me.
It was this year January 11, when I completed my first spiritual journey which I have 2 witnesses that know about it. Around that time I had very little sleep for 3 nights and it felt better than winning the lottery, hard to explain but I was filled with never felt before excitement and awe. Then on my birthday I attended evening Mass and to make long story short, I just remember how it felt while at Mass, it felt as if all my mental and spiritual gifts were stripped away. In other words, scripture that day was: “you fool you were suppose to be like Jesus not Mr Hollywood Star.”
So after I got home with my tail between my legs and so torn apart from left to right, top down… I had to announce online about my immature and grave mistake, since I have a bunch of people that consider me a local “influencer” in town. Sorry if I digress but my life keeps getting more serious yet I have to pray and meditate for valor since it ain’t easy. It’s not for the faint of heart. Blessings to all.
Two great minds elucidating profound, meaningful topics.
By injecting the thought disease of religion into everything. He's an arrogant ignorant pompous ay whole
I’m all into this new psychedelic renaissance!🙏✌️❤️ 🍄
I don’t need pharmaceutical pain killers any longer.💪
it's like one's watch a "breaking news" reel of existential topics (from a constructed pov, of course). i admire the speech capabilities in these talks. thank you.
Thank you gentlemen, that seems to be a highly interesting topic you are exploring and discussing about. I have found myself automating speach whilst typing something else. In other cases, have I found myself making errors, if I was watching the keyboard, rather than concentrating on the heard text and typing without putting attention to the keyboard. I strongly believe in the memory of the body, or motor output (?). At about 1:50:00 It appears to me that a lot of human activities is striving to be energy efficient.
Always good to hear from you each week.
I found Carhart-Harris and Peterson at nearly the exact same time, back in my second year of university! Did a presentation of psychedelics and heavily cited Carhart-Harris, and he gave me first contact to material about the Default Mode Network, which I quickly became obsessed with.
Crazy. Feels like synchronicity.
Only the Jung Ones notice.
Research oliver sacks and Freud, and havelock ellis, read Havelock Ellis' essay on Mescaline called 'mescal, a new artificial paradise'
Great content i love the way Jordan always uses his hands while talking
I'd like to thank Dr. Carhart-Harris for being one of a handful of researchers who are conducting this extremely important work. Thank you to Dr. Peterson for providing a platform to inform people of this work, and for helping to destigmatize what will likely be the "breakthrough" in how we approach mental health.
Hey, Mr. Peterson - I admire your mind and your wisdom. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and understanding with everyone. I am amazed by your wisdom and words. I appreciate your openness to hear others, but your strong stand on facts, logic, and emotions and what is right. You are definitely an asset to our world. I love your passion for humanity
Such a thought-provoking and fascinating conversation!!!
I just finished listening to this and immediately thought “this conversation could be summed up by PINK FLOYD’s Saucer Full of Secrets.”
Psychedelic, chaos becoming order,
artists playing with their craft creating consciousness and beauty. Not to mention the fractals 😉.
Check out the “Live in Pompeii “ version and see what I’m talking about. Stellar!
10:50 ok so this situation hits really close to me. My dad honestly is the worst man I have ever met, and it's true it calibrated my brain so that It wasn't tuned to genetic people, which may I add are totally dull, some parts of me are greatful for my trauma as it didn't accustomed me to hate man, but rather to see the world in such a different lense and that sometimes is a blessing and a curse. It is such an automatic incorrect assumption, but it did lead me to over analyze everyone's personality to the way where I can profile it correctly, but my situation growing up opened a relationship with me and my mind where I perhaps spend a lot of time overthinking and analyzing myself and others, to the point of dissecting myself in a way where I don't recognize. I specialize in finding the flaws of broken people or people who have actually lived a traumatic live and the trauma that created those flaws. Not justifying them just knowing why they are the way they are, but things turn so much darker when I do it to myself. I wonder what specifically made him go to the man hating scenario though, considering its a father he dismissed the affection that an offspring might have for their parents regardless of their monstrosities, kind of surprises me that he so willingly overlooked that. It makes me question on wether he was trying to appease his Main audience which Is dominantly male.
Wow. It’s incredible to hear actual intelligent conversation about psychedelics. Wow.
so good, i always feel smarter after listen to Jordan
Interesting... When they were talking about rebirth, I immediately thought about Frank Herbert's Dune saga. In many of those books, characters are fundamentally transformed or reborn through traumatic experience. For example, Duncan Idaho is reborn thousands of times. His clones 're-awaken' to his past memories, always through intense pain. Intense experience triggers a "hard reset" in many of the characters.
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Dr. P. Masterclass for all mental health pract. Excellent views on perception Dr. P. It is my hope as this topic develops in the mental health field, we take a slow approach with topics like prior addiction, the marketing of this topic, family studies-origin, other applications such as dementia or brain injuries. Basic ethical considerations Dr. P. Once good studies are done, how will this be used with AI to rewire the brain in a positive direction. Yes, unlearning negative behaviors of addiction through positive ritual replacement. A larger question sir is how larger organizations will adopt this topic into their mission statement to help people A great deal of gray areas Dr. P. Good work sir. Keep it up.
I hope this proves to be somewhat helpful: ego is a circumference of a circle, within a circle is a pure abstraction, no meaning, so it can become whatever it needs to be. Outside of what the ego perceives is reality which is the opposite of abstraction: absolute meaning since it can't be anything else. Ego is the mediator between the those two extremes and just an aspect of personality. So it is the job of the ego to filter and to function as balance between the two extremes: abstract and absolute. The ego actually dissolves/recycles perceived reality to create personality. And personality is a pattern which finds/creates meaning from abstraction (in conjunction with reality), the personality is the only pattern which ego can recognize. A perhaps fun fact that personality may contain more than one circumference, like ripples in water and reality is the stone that makes them. Unfortunately that sometimes results in disorders rather than layers of being and perceiving. So i think that probably all psychological 'disturbances' originate from perception of empathy gone awry. And maliciousness is not the core of a disturbance, it's the consequence. For instance, empathy is not how someone feels it's how 'i' feel or it wouldn't be empathy. So I'm guessing that some ego may perceive empathy as a false reality because it introduces a strange/new type of 'self' which doesn't fall into a typical patten within personality since it originates from a different form of abstraction or pattern of meaning formation. So empathy to an extremely rigid ego might seem like an intruder since it's a non familiar pattern which implies chaos...
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Commenting 6 minutes after the video has come out. Good to know how many people will comment without actually watching
Hey look 👀 the thought police 🚓. Time to rewind. ⏪
Y is there no sound in this video
I can't find a source anywhere for any good psychedelics in my area, I suffer some pretty bad depression and i got a chance to try K and man it was a miracle substance, I felt free,the only high or euphoria was from the relief of my vices being released, that's exactly what it did
Check
[_James_trayy]
Got psychs
@@sarahh321 Is he on on Instagram or what?
All the problems that these compounds can help solve, and the potential for peace they have.
@@Jerryberger9235 Yeah, he's got chocolate bars, magic mushrooms and other psych's
@@sarahh321 thanks, I will get some right away
Dr. Peterson's swag is on point right here! 👌
Hope that Bos Peterson could go to Bali and make a little bit research about psychedelic on Balinese Magic Mushroom. Thank you for spread the knowledge, Mentor🙌
Should interview Peter Sjöstedt-Hughes. Philosopher with special emphasis on Whitehead and Nietzsche, and psychedelics.
Psychedelics are a tool.
Not a toy.
Indeed!
I would love to meet you Jordan Peterson , Since there is no such chance I would like to encourage you to continue and be that voice of the one crying in the desert, may God keep you firm and strong, you help so many lost and confused people I hope the your heart is happy despite the attacks, you make a difference. Your story will be told and your name is already written in history!
For a year I used psilocybin I didn't tell a single person in my life, I waited untill my spouse (military) was on a 6 month overseas job, Nobody knew but me,
That way I could record my experience without outside biases , I took it 3 days on 3 days off and a 2 to 3 week break every 5 weeks ,
It completely eradicated my ocd
It completely eradicated all auditory and visual hallucinations
It stabilised my mood to the point where people close to me were pulling me aside and letting me know they see a huge postive change in me,
My social anxiety was massively reduced,
My paranoia was massively reduced,
It completely eradicated my underlying want to drink achohol (even though I would only drink mabey once a year I always had a feeling or need to think about it)
I was able to remember an incredible amount of repressed memory's starting within the first week !
It has changed my life and in turn
It has changed my children's lives
I have stopped contact with my toxic family,
I have seperated from my spouse
I have never been as healthy
Mentally or physically,
I cannot recommend it enough for people such as myself
Who have experience trauma with a capital T as they say,
It has helped my "wake up"
I know that there is a danger in unearned wisdom, but as a jump start in a controlled environment I think psilocybin could be life changing.
What visual artist doesn't explore visual representation but also cultural representation! Apophenia and Pareidolia are logical counters to being in a highly plastic perceptual state. If you're in the middle of perceptual flux of course you'll try to make sense of it and depending on the dosage of the drug things will be made manifest by the unconscious mind if you let it, unfortunately all your senses are communicating with each other at the same time. Add to that highly emotionally charged responses then you've got a full bingo card for something going awry unless you ignore it all and comfort yourself with the fact that this is a situation whereby it is better to be detatched and lucid rather than overly reacting emotionally or intellectually as you may find yourself down some very dark or at least surreal alleys. On the other hand you can just enjoy or at the very least decant the experience. How you approach your own perception is crucial. Artists can exploit such avenues. As a teenager I practised techniques to enable astral projection and lucid dreaming. I had more real than real experiences but on reflection years later I would say the mind is capable of building environments in immense detail but in the end it is just lapidary solipsism. I think the hierarchical biological, neurological, cultural stuff linked to Biblical narrative here by Peterson, however, is just such an example of dodgy thinking or overthinking; it's a pretty apophenic in itself... it also may explain a few of his "issues". But it's unsurprising that he'd turn to such hermeneutics...When people extrapolate into knock ons into cultural issues then I'm not so convinced - in fact I'm very, very leary. The fact that we should all return to nature as some sort of neurological and mental health 'heimat' for the 'volk' or some Christian doctrine doesn't fill me with assurance but then I'm probably overly interpreting this. But it would be easy to make those leaps wouldn't it? Having said that Carhart-Harris's paper on the entropic brain is fascinating and well worth downloading.
God bless you Jordan. Thank you.
Questions:
What happens when a person goes under these drugs with negative emotions vs positive emotions?
The person can either integrate and learn from the negative emotions or they curl into a ball.
It can get worse than you're currently able to imagine. Can really scramble your stuff & leave you pretty well shellshocked.
"Bad" trip vs "Good" trip. But you always learn something and grow
Today I understood that I need to get my house in order even more. As to decrease my neuroticism levels constantly in a manner that potential gets maximised. Or is there even a maximum? if you keep housing new material and knowledge and experiences in your mind as you keep order as they come in. Keep learning and process each unit of knowledge enterring your environment. I think today, the processing part might be the hardest since the knowledge is so widely available with the invention of the internet. Might also explain the overlearning syndrome.
Throwing multiple concepts in here that seem to me are very well connected.
-the action taken to the problem
-the limitless potential that we can increase (imagine if we live two centuries.)
-what might fundamentally be what overlearned is. The incapacity to process new data
- or the unwillingness to try to ingest new data.
Any thoughts?
And in the end, the point of ingesting and processing new data would be to increase in "wisdom"
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1:33:33 is so important: the epiphany trap combined with the tremendous emotional punch.. Plus the current hype about psychedelics is not addressing the problem of risking your mental health with psychedelics:
if you are prone to react hypersensitive to dopamine like
1. people on the paranoid schizophrenia side and many people don't know that they are prone to develop paranoid schizophrenia until they took it and then you are fucked for life (!)
or
2. you are already on the schizotypal or
3. bi polar spectrum,
which again is connected to too much dopamine in your system already or
4. you are very, very high in openness etc.
Too much dopamine release at one time - (which is basically what psychedelics do on the neurotransmitter level)
is NOT a good experience for anyone!
Those warnings should be out there, because it's reality. There's a bloody reason why they stopped clinical experiments in the eighties with psychedelics and like so often, the history is forgotten. And now those young researchers are repeating the same "psychedelics are the answer" bullshit philosophy like the hippies in the 70s... I am not impressed nor surprised about the fact that a huge study found out that
a) they couldn't replicate the hopeful findings of small experiments. It's said that even one dosis of psychedelics can alleviate severe depressive symptoms. However, results were quite mixed and they found out that the results were not as great as small studies (with methodology design problems) promised!! But big pharma is rubbing their hands already..
b) The main reason why one researcher will shout out "we have great results" is that they do not use double blind trials with randomly assigned adults. Which they did in the huge study, and what a surprise, they couldn't replicate the findings.
c) Plus they critized that former hype studies don't measure long-term effects.
d) Plus they found out that those psychedelics is the answer researchers minimize the negative effects. for example half of the patients had an INCREASE in suizidal thoughts and those hyping researchers interpret that as "normal for depression". WTH? Really?
d) Another finding was that the dosis of psychedelics wasn't a "1 mg micro dose" for resistant depression. It was much higher to have an effect (it was 25mg, which looks little but it is not ).. e) And the biggest problem is that 77% of patients had adverse effects like severe headaches, nausea and no matter how small the dose, they had suicidal ideations or wanted to hurt themselves.
Read this again: suicidal ideation or behavior or self injury occurred in all dose groups.
If you have major depression and are suizidal, you should not risk increasing your downwards spiral.
-->That's exactly what JP says when he questioned if an increase in openness (= high dopamine) combined with high neuroticism (=negative emotions like in depression) is maybe not a good idea...
I couldn't agree more!
Conscious. Psychedelics.
Oh boy, are we going to hear about Dr. Peterson's mushroom experience soon?
He had an interview with Richard Dawkins where he details his experiences.
@@JFroTheMusician oh wow, I am not a fan of Dawkins so I probably skipped that one.
Thank you Jordan, great program.
These are the types of conversations I have sought throughout my life - across every subject, not simply psychedelics.
I have met only a very few, two maybe three others who are either interested or capable of this level of investigation.
Why do people choose to watch banal television when there is so much to learn.
How can anyone ever so 'I'm bored'? I have never ever been bored - I don't know what it feels like.
Anyone else out there feel this way?
Namaste x
Beware of rabbit holes.
@@michaelg1569 that's what I told my Jack Russell
He worked with Dr. Nut to develop the magic mushrooms?! I am beginning to see the origin of the Italian plumbers dood.
Jordan, you've interviewed some of the most popular figures in the field of psychedelic research, but I strongly recommend to talk with lesser-known figures, whom have been working on psychedelics for much more time and produced more professional and rigorous work, such as the Swiss ones (Vollenweider, Liechti, Preller). They will provide an insight from the best science that could be done.
Regarding Local Minima/Maxima Question: When I learnt this concept in AI, I was interested in connecting it to human learning too. To make an example case: You want to optimize a website. You get to a certain level of success and you go with it. BUT you have a unknown unknown. you are stuck in a local maxima. Mby another drift could make it way more successful but you maybe won't try. ---> there is also a cool Video on youtube Jordan would love: Escape Local Minima - Is This The Answer To Everything
I truly hope Dr. Peterson can talk more about the beauty of art. How could ordinary people appreciate the artwork and not tie up to all those political ideology debates so much?
very happy to see this topic
Meeee too
@Bryson Martinez sounds like a trap
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FREE YOUR MIND , NEO
Stunning in fine detail .! Well said and well done on all counts with much thanks and thumbs up to you both.! Loving your show Jordan.!
Jesus…. I learn a lot from these podcasts!
It’s not always easy for people to acknowledge that we are invisible, forgettable, micro dots of energy within the fabric of a vast Universe.
We are reflections of the infinite.
Excellent insights and interesting. However, I would have enjoyed discussion more if JP pulled back, allowing his guest more time to speak. In particular, JP could have spent much more time eliciting opinions instead of giving them.
It's interesting that research that is being conducted more recently, which was virtually impossible in times past because of the legal status of psychedelic substances, is revealing to a wider audience and to scientific and academic interests hypotheses that I've contemplated generated from my own psychedelic experiences in my youth 2-3 decades ago. I believe psychedelics did reveal and allow me to recognize and augment some of the subconscious programming from my childhood and some of the programmed pre suppositions and intentionally applied indoctrinating influences. It also coincides with my idea that one never actually " comes down" from a psychedelic trip, you just become adjusted to your new augmented perception of the world. And that's why an lsd trip seems to last so long, that's how long it takes to adjust. And you retain a certain amount of novelty in your perception.
Totally understand Mr. Petersons enthusiasm, but would've liked to hear more from his guest, because he also has A LOT of insight, knowledge and wisdom.
Love the content Jordan Magic Mushrooms saved my life, any thoughts on psychonaughts??
I had a good friend who used to grow mushrooms. We did a decent dose of it and I got visions of him being in a hedge maze hiding from himself. The second time (approximately 1 month later it resulted in a deja-vu sensation. Everything said by either of us felt like we said it before. This was ongoing until I decided to just lay down and go to sleep. It is intriguing to say the least. I still want to try it again but in a setting with someone with more experience in this matter.
Sometimes it’s better alone.
Im so ready for this!!😊
Pescador de Hombres, I'm still following you. I was lost. I know my way now- it's FORWARD. Thank you so much for being alive still, for I have been told that we shall all die one day. I don't know, for I am alive, as you are. ALIVE.
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you speak now in hard words and tomorrow speak what tomorrow speaks in hard words again, though it contradict everything you said today. 'Ah, so you shall be sure to misunderstood?' - is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythaforas was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstoood..."
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
We are great people, Pescador de Hombres, both you and I. We are not orphans. The Gates of Hades shall not prevail.
Finally. Robin's work needs more exposure. This man is a hero.
I wondered all the time my whole life about why God loves us so much. And I've never been able to come up with anything in 39 years until right now.
I think it's because we put our eternal souls on the front lines in the battle between good and evil, here on Earth in bodies of extremely sensitive flesh completely exposed to good and evil with faith alone guiding us forward
We ARE God!
@@michaelg1569 we are part of God's creation
@@billymeadows1739 realizing that we are God is liberating.
Thank you JBP. I've watched this doctor's lectures for a number of years now. I have ZERO education in his field of study, but he knows his material so well, that he can explain it clearly enough that I can follow.
I choose not to reset. I choose to carry forward courageously while negotiating with all the baggage so that I can be above all the pain and misery. I believe that is what we are called for, and the thought of resetting back to the last starting line is horrifying to learn the lessons again. Got the T shirt and not going back.
Love the attitude, certainly admirable. I just think of it more like a hard drive cleanup than an actual reset or loss of some crucial data.
Actually, 15 years ago I even wrote my master thesis on the great and promising work of Stanislav Grof in the 1950s and 60s, which was then promtly cut with the onset of the „war on drugs” (Grof's, not mine)...
... Then I became a low-tier career musician and all of that went to hell, my mental health included 😀
At least we got brilliant people like that still chasing the subject and making it public in such a competent and captivating way.
Welcome to reincarnation.
I think you’re misinterpreting what a “reset” means in reference to psychedelics. It’s not like your brain becomes a blank piece of paper. You are just able to view your thoughts and experiences for what they truly are and not what others impose on you. It’s just like cleaning up a dirty room. Keeping the room dirty doesn’t make you “courageous” or more driven. It bogs down your ability to be productive in that room. When your room is clean you feel refreshed. You feel more like yourself.
I was filled with enthusiasm as soon as I saw the title of this lecture. :) Perhaps startled the person next to me in the coffee-shop with my excited jump!
A wonderful conversation, a minor issue that bugged me: Dr. Peterson seemed a bit impatient in waiting for Dr. Carhart-Harris to complete voicing his ideas every now and then, especially if something came to mind in the middle of what Dr. Carhart-Harris was saying. Perhaps it's just the way their particular personalities interact, but I felt a bit sorry for Dr. Carhart-Harris xD
People do that when they're excited and engaged in the discussion.
Good conversation. Negotiating the difference in viewpoint makes for an interesting journey.
Thank you Dr. Peterson... This video has hit close to home on so many levels... I will certainly will be re-playing it over and over,, until my A.D.D. brain can absorb most of it,,,, thank you again, sincerely...
I believe an interview with Dr. Gabor Mate,, would be beneficial to providing an even deeper understanding yet,,,, when it comes to the use of 'ayahuasca', in relation to the treatment of psycho trauma... I believe depression and addictions are symptomatic results of this....
When the mushrooms become idols...
Jordan, depression leads to epiphanies. There is a reason biologically people go through dark phases. It’s by design, and we are given breaks in between. There is something we are supposed to figure out. The dark phases only last for a short time till epiphany follows.
I would argue that people should be depressed by default with this 3rd density, and not being depressed is an illness by illusion, typically from social and time distractions.
Depression is a gift, because it expands your consciousness. We need to changed our perspective on what depression is. We shouldn’t avoid it but embrace it.
You can change the law. Changing ones heart is where improvement begins.
I am yet to watch this but I will say this. I have always been against drugs and psychedelics as a route to spiritual truth. There is a reason why the wise of the past warned against them (I'm thinking Buddha in particular). There are no shortcuts. Perhaps they can be helpful in the short term. But, true transformation comes over time from a life dedicated to spiritual practice, whatever the tradition. Ask the meditation and contemplation teachers who tried things like LSD back in 70s and (fortunately) discovered that wasn't the way. Apologies if I completely missed the point of the discussion.😄
I'm guessing you are correct, but I can see them used as a way to break a psychological log jam and be a psychological boost to get some one out of a ditch.
@@johnsmithers8913 Yeah agreed
Reading "how to change your mind", Michael Pollan. He got a lot of benefit, but presents it as "spiritual but not supernatural". It's a way for "absolutist materialists" to get our head on straight.
" There's a point of agreement." These words just changed my ability to communicate for the better. Thanku Dr Peterson
ROTFLMFA sizzuck his dizzack a bit harder brah
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The posters he talks about on the extra DW segment sounds awesome!
Thank you.🙏🏼☺️
Public service announcement: DONT be tempted to buy psychedelics from ppl in YT comments, trust me.
That's just Darwinism, right there.
@@Tacit_Tern hey at least it’s folks trying to transition from monkey to man. For the small price of $120 my ex- roommate, a slightly naive but otherwise good dude, got a quick and useful education 😆
Instagram is owned by Facebook, so basically feds xD
@@marcus8710 ha feds or scammers. Guaranteed tho they’re not spiritually minded and well-intentioned psychonauts wishing to spread the love.
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I used LSD yesterday, a small amount. In the middle of the "the trip" (you could barely call it one) I suddenly felt like I chipped my front tooth. It was a minor chip, but I felt it very clearly with my tounge and lips... My right front tooth was sharper and thinner.... I freaked out. When did this happen?! Then I remembered I had chipped that tooth 10 years ago! It seems to me like my brain had been filtering out the sensory input relating to it from entering my contious mind all these years... and somehow under lsd the filter fell away. Now it's the next day and the sensation is filtered out again, but because I remember, I can now focus on the tooth and still feel the chippedness with my tongue and finger. And I see in the mirror it's the same size as it was... barely noticible. Not sure what this says about how psychedelics work, but i thought it was interesting. General disclaimer: always get screened for manic depression and schizophrenia in the family before trying lsd or other psychedelics. Don't end up like Kanye.
We see life through the contents of our minds ..
‘ Contents’ matter !
One thing we need is instruction in how to pray. Not to ask god for favors but learn to pray for grace. Prayer is a powerful psychotechnology
Ah. Only 8 mins in and I hav learned that we "automate" our habits by repetition. Our brain creates new neural connections to automate things that we do repeatedly. Although I knew that subconsciously; having it put in words this way makes it much clearer to understand. When we put effort into making good habits our brain will begin to make those good habits happen without us thinking about it is.