History of WWI Primer 092: The "Montenegrin" Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
Additional reading:
Geschichte und Technik der europaischen Militarrevolver
Rolf H. Müller
Gasser-Revolver
Joschi Schuy
Josef Werndl und die Waffenfabrik in Steyr
Hans Stögmüller
РЕВОЛЬВЕРЪІ ГАССЕРА: НЕИЗВЕСТНАЯ ИСТОРИЯ
ОРУЖИЕ No.05 2013
БРАНКО БОГДАНОВИЧ, ЯНИ ХАРТМАН
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As one (montenegrin - herzegovinian) i confirm that the culture of bearing arms persists to this day. The single shot rifles, pistols, swords, turkish flags and other memorabilia are still passed from father to son. Those are the most prized possesions one owns. The christian Sparta surrounded by Turks for 500 years, surviving through guns, culture and belief in God - Montenegro!
In Montenegro(Muntenegru in my language)weaporns are a tradition?
Sounds like a nice place
Wow ever knew any of this ps I've met loads of east European people but never one from Montenegro do you guys not emigrate ?
@@halfcantan1208 fvck you!
România Countryball what's your problem all Ii said is do people from Montenegro emigrate? Now I know you guys emigrate met loads of ye
It's a large pistol primer.
thegunpenguin a reloading pun. That’s new.
I see what you did there. . . . .
"King Mother-Something."
"Max Fliegerschitt."
This episode was hilarious! Thanks for all the hard work, Othais and Mae!
"I even got a medal from Montenegro. Little Montenegro!" -Jay Gatsby
In the royal palace in Cetinje, the old Montenegrin royal capital, Nikolla's personal arms are on display. They include a number of Gassers as you might expect, some of which have quite enormous grips decorated with silver and gems. That sort of embellishment is also found amongst some guns of the northern Albanians, who used both styles of Gassed. These huge handled revolvers seem to have had a ceremonial or parade use, the largest would require a double handed grip. There are a number of normal 'everyday' guns too, and interestingly a fine C96.
Long story short, Belgium is the 1880s version of the Khyber Pass.
The 1880's version of the Khyber Pass was ........ The Khyber Pass .
There isn't a direct historical translation for 1880's Belgian arms industry, but a hypothetical did occur to me.
Imagine the arms industries of Brasil and Argentina circa 1980 . ( Or circa 2000 Turkey). If they paid zero attention to international patent law , and felt the same way about unabashedly making knockoffs as modern day China .
Variable workmanship and materials , but well over 50% were at least reasonably serviceable . But very affordable . The other example just hit me . Think Phillipines arms industry 10 years ago .
Fulda Gap?
I'm Betting the big smile at the end of the shooting segment was due to the fact that it didn't explode.
Yup
@@maewinchester2030 "Wow! I'm not dead! Or even maimed! Result!"
@@ZGryphon Great success!
I shot an actual Gasser made "Montenegrin" top-break while visiting a friend in Bulgaria, where they are quite common - he made his own handloads from 7.62X54R cases with unjacketed lead bullets, and, let me tell, you it's as close I ever got to an actual hand-cannon. That thing packs a wallop. The action however, worked pretty well for it's age and it was steel, not iron.
Also, is that a Remington model 8C I spy behind you? (I'm guessing "C", because of the semi-pistol grip buttstock)
fun!
500 yards? Where's Miculek?
HEYOOO!
One of the biggest Montenegrin victories of the Great War was the Battle of Mojkovac (6500 Montenegrin vs 30.000 Austrians), after the battle Austrian general Reinöhl had this to say:
_The courage of the Montenegrin soldier has no equal in the history of wars. Here you could see the Montenegrin soldier attacking the bayonets of the enemy with his bare hands. That numerically small army, armed with primitive weapons, on the terrain of Mojkovac for days stopped the much more numerous Austro- Hungarian Army, equipped with modern arms._
You can check a short clip about it on The Great War channel -> czcams.com/video/4k9Ybsgksus/video.html
Fuck that. There was a battle where 8k montenegrins defeated 50k turks.
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@@bazirancovek yes
And they could have saved the capital of they didn't cover Serbs and went in capital
being austrian i have no clue why we would attack montenegro or why they would declare war on us. 🤷♂️
never had any beef with montenegro 😒.
strange times, strange war
No Mae's were exploded in this episode.
Quite an interesting wheel gun.
One of the most prized revolvers by The Bulgarian revolutionaries fighting for independence from the Ottoman empire in the second half of XIX century! Thanks for the wonderful (as usual) video!
One of the many things I like about your methods of explanation is provision of rich context.
In the beginning I nearly forgot it was a documentary on a WWI handgun and got immersed in history of Montenegro instead!
Finally the coolest balkan country has arrived 💪
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I love how absurd and huge the Gasser looks next to almost any other pistol.
Othais please hear me out on pronouncing surnames in Serbo - Croatian (Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina). When you have an -ic at the end of a surname it is in 99% cases originally written as -ić (Petrovic - Petrović). The "i" is pronounced as the first letter of the word "integrity" while the "ć" is pronounced like the first sound of the word "chuckle" in English. More often than not, the endings of these surnames would have been changed at Ellis Island to -ch (Petrovich) in the case of their barers immigrating to the States which makes it more phonetically correct to the original sound. Great episode, love your work!
I spent a short time in Montenegro 20 years ago. I can say that they are a proud people, and not to be trifled with.
When it was discovered that I was an American, I was often invited to inspect the sidearm that the person I was speaking to was carrying,
because, I assume, they believed that Americans had a keener appreciation of firearms that the average European.
It was a country that I would very much like to return to and visit in greater depth.
Love the historical backgrounders you provide. The first 10 minutes are excellent for everyone to watch and learn regardless of whether they are interested in the mechanical intricacies of the device.
Very well done, Madam and Sir.
My hat goes off to you for this, as well as for other interesting, thoroughly researched and engagingly presented videos. I could almost smell the black powder during the footage of a "Montenegrin" type revolver being fired.
Best regards and wishes for your work,
Sincerely, Milan Jelic
Another wonderful episode! Looking forward to the 14th. Don't stress yourselves out too much, if we don't get the regular episode to go with the special ones I think we can all live with that.
Did anyone else hear him say fliegershit around 13:20
The D-J JAMY when it fits it fits.
I'd like to thank you for being one of the worthy History Channel series replacements. You do amazing work.
The way hes describing the Belgian copy makes me feel like its the hi-point of the 1880s
Good one LOL!
Well...I guess it kind of was, ha.
Hi points won't blow you up though, not now and probably not in a 100 years. They are bulky but they aren't fragile.
@@Nukle0n the slides are built from melted down tin cans and chewing gum. The barrels are good, but the slides suck, and can, and sometimes do, fall apart
@Doom I'd like to know where you saw that video, because I can't find it. There's plenty of videos of people blowing them up on purpose, but none of them just exploding. I found a video of a Glock exploding when I searched, though. Guns can explode from double-charged or overcharged ammo. It happens. But I've yet to find a single person claiming a Hi-Point exploded or fell apart who could provide evidence of it. Considering all the evidence you can find of Glocks, 1911s, etc. failing, it would seem that Hi-Points are actually more reliable than those guns.
@z Mars Same thing. The slides are made using the same die-cast equipment used to make virtually every part of your car's engine. This makes them heavy, but they need to be heavy to be simple blow-back guns. Die-cast parts don't "fall apart." They can bend, they can crack, but I've seen Hi-Points tortured in ways no one would ever do to another gun, up to and including being shot, and they have never fallen apart. I would love to see your source on this phenomenon.
I don't own a Hi-Point, so I don't have a dog in this race, but I'm not a fan of lies, and virtually every comment I've seen of someone bad-mouthing a Hi-Point seems to be either a lie or confirmation bias.
I am really glad I work an all night shift at work and can enjoy these videos on long breaks.. helps keep me awake with history..
The part of montenegrin army. Montenegro got its standing army pretty late. They were all volunteers. Those who didnt volunteer/participate in war were bringing great shame to their family and clan and thats why it didnt need standing army. The philosophy behind eit was "you can die fighting for your family or you can wait at home for the enemy to kill you". Basically if you dont go to war its lost lol. Also during the war it was more of a competition between the rivaling clans on who would perform the best. Even in peace time this was present. One of the most famous folk songs is about a war-priest who was mocked by Nikola I so he went alone to the gates of the fortified city to chlange the mayor for a duel. Mayor of the city was scared and ordered guards to shoot him from the walls and thats how he died. Glory and pride was everything to montenegrins.
OH COME ON! I HAVE TO WORK IN THE MORNING!
Where's the red bull...
I drank all of it, trust me.
@@maewinchester2030 Holy shit, senpai noticed me :D
Yeah, same, except a year later. Fewer excuses, more episodes....
Another great episode wow! Excited to see the research you folks are doing and getting some personal motivation also.
That a giant badass revolver issued in a country full of crazy accurate badasses. Nice match.
I was just about to call it a night but I figured I'd check youtube just one more time... success!
Oh thank the lord! I just got one of these last week, I've been searching everywhere for information! Also, notification squad.
Loved the episode, lots of great info! I've been to Montenegro and it is a beautiful country with a magnificent coastline. If anyone ever has a chance to go, I highly recommend it!
Thank you for your information on Montenegro In WW1 I had no idea. Love this look forward to every episode
You sure do great research,. I love to learn the history of the 1st World War.So many Men and Women died! Generations Lost! There is no one around (alive)to speak for them. Thank you for your hard work and dedi action. You pay respect to those on both sides.
What a brilliant piece of work you presented, the History surrounding the Mother of all Firearms haha. I laughed so much at your take on MF. I have spent some time about 25 years ago, working in this region together with our in Country Distributor and loved the Culture. Very straightforward people, no BS and very hospitable.
The Distributor guy I got on so well with, visited our company in England to make a complaint to our MD and at their meeting, Zoran was still not happy, so he thumped the Desk and threatened to shoot the first company person he saw, on his next visit! Please keep this sort of obscure content going, your History detail is so great and I learn so much. PS, your pictorial Primer Index is Brilliant and must be the best for any Firearm Channel. Good Job, team.
Imagine if C&Rsenal could do VR episodes... there you are, sitting across the table, then othias hands you the firearm to look at as he tells you all about what you're holding.... appearances by digitally rendered Browning... Colt... Ross... and then it's range time with Mae....
I appreciate your name and avatar combination.
Jesus Christ Just imagine the parts when war were declared.
Me sitting in my cookie monster p.j.'s eating cereal. Digital Othais hands me a rifle.
"Dude! Watch the cereal man!"
Digital Othais apologizes... I throw headgear across room and cower....
Thx for uploading perfectly at my lunch hour
Someone should go back in time and show these Montenegrins the 6" Chiappa Rhino. In Gold....
I bet they would make you an honorary Montenegrin!
They would be disgusted by how short the barrel is. 10+ inches or go home.
Perfect, just in time to help me get through this watch.
And niw over here it's so hard to own a gun.. Thanks for proper anthem "Onam onamo".
As always awesome work guys, best wishes for 2019
This is the gun which, when you are captured, you give to your enemy with a box of full-power Werndl carbine cartridges. The "Montenegrin" _looks_ a hundred years old out of a backroom shop; the 1870 Gasser, despite what we know about the flaws you found, looks like it was made yesterday.
Warren Beatty carries a break-open Montenegrin model in McCabe and Mrs Miller, that the locals call a Swedish gun. This establishes McCabe as a show-off.
a very intricate handgrenade!
love the video and the channel, keep up the hard work!
God Speed on Op Lighting , I can waited for Pinner Esp. Great worked on the Show
Toward the end of this series you should do a special episode of Mae's top/ bottom 5 revolvers, pistols, and long arms (rifles and carbines together).
This was such a oddball video. Very entertaining!
Nice job another great video.
Keep up the great work.
"And kind of Bulgaria"
I have never laughed so hard to a description of the event. Yeah, "Kind of" describes that mess pretty well. :)
Mae is queen beast. It does a old revolver shooter heart good to see Mae trying to stage the trigger on a BFR. Big Freakin Revolver and freakin is the G rating. Yehaa from East Ky
awesome video i always look forward to new videos
Montenegrin: "What is this snubnose revolver? Rejected."
*Throws revolver with 7 inch barrel over shoulder.*
Wonderfull!
Very good work!!
You forgot to mention the fact that it was very good at laying a defensive smoke screen, thus allowing the pistoleer to redeploy to another firing position unobserved.
No sleep Squad
"Lumpy Jenkins" is going to be the new nickname of my sister's best friend.
"Blame Albania", I love it! Right up there with "War Were Declared" and "Here Comes Prussia, Ho-ly Crap!"
Regards from Montenegro! 🇲🇪🇲🇪🇲🇪
I think it is fair to say that what they wanted would be comparable to a Ruger Red Hawk with a very long barrel. Even if you couldn't reach your rifle you could still do a lot of damage and you could reach out and touch someone beyond normal handgun ranges.
I was reading about this just a few days ago, it’s an interesting story.
Hello good sir!
The video was just,amazing,as a born Montenegrin i just loved it every step of the way,for people to know our history,and our firearms.There are new ones being produced as well,and i could help out with it's research.
As one,fluent and born Montenegrin,I can help you out with translation and research/history/pronunciation if you need it.I am also fluent in English,so there would be no trouble whatsoever
Common and possibly dangerous? I'll look into picking one up, thanks Othias.
I imagine the perfect Montenegrin gun would be the stupidly long barrel revolver that the joker uses in the 1989 Batman movie.
When you show the target, can you mark somehow the point of aim that Mae used? Thx, love all that you guys do.
Thanks for this nice video :)
Right before Othais says "...while this might not seem like an impressive way to run an army...", I'm sitting here thinking to myself "...holy shit, that's one hell of an impressively organized, disciplined, and dedicated large mass of humanity!" I mean, I really couldn't imagine a group of people from today's developed societies actually having such mental fortitude and dedication to the big picture end goal(literally building an independent nation - it doesn't get much more overwhelming than that!) without devolving into violent, constantly fighting tribes & groups(who likely believe that you deserve to be their slaves because they're entitled to a certain minimum level of luxury in their lives - someone still has to pick up the trash even if no one raises their hand...).
It's difficult to wrap one's mind around a body of people big enough, claiming a chunk of land large enough, with a fighting... (ability...?) ...that is trained & organized enough to legitimately defend it to some degree - and having to establish this in such a short amount of time as you certainly can't last long with essentially no organized defense.
What an amazing group of people
G'day,
Check out the Swiss.
Compulsory Military Service for all Males to be trained as a Teenager, then Reserve status with monthly Parades & Annual Camps till age 55...; they keep their Uniforms, Rifles & Ammo at home, ready for instant deployment.
Israel requires 18 months of Military Service from all CitiZens except (Extremist) Orthodox Sects of Judaism, between ages 18 & 25 ; including their Dual Nationals...., so budding teenaged Zionists from Melbourne are lawfully able to go and act-out against Palestinians in the 21st Century, getting even for 12 years of the Germans having treated Jews murderously badly..., ending only when Adolf Hitler shot himself in May 1945..., some 73 & 1/2 years ago.
And Finland, who fought the USSR to a standstill in the 1939 Winter War...; still maintains all it's Cold War Nukeyoulater/Biological/Chemical Warfare Shelters in ready-to-use condition, fully-stocked & ready to be occupied...., their Capital Helsinki has 125 Beds in Shelters for every 100 CitiZens who live there, because they make provision for Tourists !
Australia has no Government Bomb Shelters for the CitiZenry, not since they backfilled the 1941-'42 vintage Slit-Trenches which sprouted all over the Land..., my father helped to dig a set of them at the Primary School in Glen Innes....; which was close to, but on the wrong side of, the notorious Brisbane-to-Melbourne Line, everything to the West of which was to be abandoned - should Japan invade Darwin and approach Brisbane, Sydney, & Melbourne from the Northwest....(!).
Socially-Acceptable Paranoia, and Militaristic Persecution-Fantasies, & mass-hysteria, all effect different populations in different places & times, in different ways....; apparently.
Such is Life,
Have a good one...
;-p
Ciao !
@@WarblesOnALot That was my first thought as well. Apparently it's a hill folk thing. :-D
+Robin Schuhmacher
G'day,
Thanks...
Yeah, possibly, but Israel's not much more than a low-lying Coastal Strip....; I don't think they had any Hills there at all until 1967, when they captured the Golan Heights ?
For a while there, they were taking so much of Egypt in 1973 that Tel-Aviv Travel-Agents were printing posters advertising,
"Come To Israel, And See The Pyramids...!"
But they gave back everything except Gaza, which they kept for their ongoing Holocaust Reinactment, apparently they're trying to replicate conditions in the Warsaw Ghetto ; so that new Generations of Zionists will know what the German Nazis were on about..., or something - perhaps,
"German Nazi Concentration-Camps were allways all purely Evil..., but the new improved Israeli Zionazi Concentration Camp of Gaza is totally pure & holy, because the Jewish Tradition teaches that Jews are the Universal Creator-Godtheory's very favorite and personally 'Chosen' Race..." ?
Something like that, anyway ; they like to say that they're very sure of themselves, about it all, but from what I underconstumble regarding Theology there are huge apparent holes in their assertion (primarily the fact that the Creator Godtheory of the entire Universe is not a CitiZen, nor a Patriot, of any Nation, Party, Religion, Cult, Tribe, Clan or Family, anywhere on Earth..., hmmmn ?).
So, that might make "Armageddon" a bit of an interesting surprise, for whichever hubristic apostatic blasphemous Egomaniac decides to launch the First Strike ; unless I miss my guess.
Such is Life,
Have a good one...
;-p
Ciao !
This it's what the USA should be.
MMA champion Stipe Miocic's parents are Croatian,next door to Montenegro,explains alot
I was LITERALLY thinking that this was the 10mm Hi - Point pistol of its day before Othias said it!
I still wanna hear about that model 81 on the rack
I approve of this episode!
Bre to je Crnogorski levor! KOLAŠ ga takođe zovu!
Do stay for the comments, the end picture is priceless! :-)
Quick question what was the standard rifle that the militia used during ww1
Jeeze dang I love y'all
Im sorry, was this carried by Montenegrins or Mandalorians? Because the more you talk about it and its culture behind it, the line gets ever more blurred.
Were they ever allowed to remove their hats?
Wonder if any pin fires snuck into the Great War?
Damn near everything snuck in somewhere
Vito Scaletta great point brother!
Cartiages what size and reloads for it are they available? Or near enough to work.
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At 25:24 you state that the grips are horn. I believe they are bone.
Heads up on something you may want to check into. The city of Jenkins ky, is selling a 1921 tommy gun. It has a 2 diget #
Hah! Lumpy Jenkins! That got a chuckle out of me.
Revolvers are a sort of mechanical hokey pokey?
Love the carecature, maybe you should market some?
19.45 - Onamo, namo! Himna Crne Gore, napisao Kralj Nikola Petrovic
I was hoping for Mae's estimate if what an actual 9 1/4" Montenegrin would have been like, the revolvers that their army carried.
I knew an old Greek man mountain, who fought the Germans in his younger days. It was one of those rubbish highly decorated Albanian models. He said it wasn't reliable, but an angry beast when it did work. He was proud at blowing up heads with it. Those Greek partisans were fairly hardy people.
It is fiction but W E B Griffin did a rather incredible series of books. The Lieutenants is Vol 1 and includes a vignette with some tough Greeks. Good reading.
Arvanites,they were actually Albanians who assimilated,and were the majority who fought for Greek independence from Ottoman Turks
Othais, that drawing needs to be on the next shirt campaign!
That revolver looks like it was made by the village blacksmith, who had a box of 44-40 and only heard of revolvers by vague description. A blacksmith with biceps the size of Bournemouth, hands like shovels, a beard you could legitimately lose a badger in, and calls Paul Bunyon "Shorty".
what's the name of the intro song?
Was the Colt Single Action Army ever used in WW1. If so, any change of a video. It is a sexy beast of a gun.
That is is actually complicated. If you ever watch some of these videos they post a good portion of the revolvers follow the peace maker action. This means I think it was viable for some folks. The problem is I don't really see many people using them. By this time most countries and places were using their own version of a revolver and double actions were popular. They also had improved safer designs I think. Your old revolver would be severely outdated by this time. It doesn't meant you would not see one person using it though. France was pressed for guns and so did Russia. Russia would use literally anything they could get their hands on. So it is possible. The problem is colt was not successful branching off into Europe. Colt tried a long time ago and failed. The market in the 1800s was hard to get into and honestly,... I think it was the mainly the Colt guy (the actual person with the name) had some ignorant hubris to cause his company to flop in Europe. He could have made it successful but did not put that much effort and thought it would be easy jumping into the Eu. market for revolvers. There were however places making colt bootlegs or permitted to make a copy of a colt. It's a long story. What you have know is this. You are not going to see peace makers used often in the war (Noticed I didn't say no? It is like this for a reason. It is because not everything people used or grabbed in desperation was documented.). Europe by the the time of the 1800s after the first revolver was popular already jumped on board and starting having their own market. It became very competitive and robust. Everyone was gravitating towards double action revolvers in Europe during the late years of the 1800s and early 1900 and semi-auto by the time of ww1. The ones that would use such a thing were folks really in big desperation and had to make due with what they had. Some might have used bootlegs that were double actions. Others might have just been legal copy but modified version. It is very tumultuous to keep up with. The peace maker the way I can put it is just something more suited to the Americans and what we would be traversing into in the various environments of the 1800s. The first revolver was a great idea others took noticed and started creating more improved designs of a revolver throughout 1800s. America colt revolvers are literally the eve and adam. They aren't however going to be around often after years of people using their more improved descendants. Heck, I think by this time the U.S. dropped them by that point. It is not impossible for them to be used though. It's just Europe did not had a large market for colt revolvers by this time. They had their own. The ones that you can say are colts or basically a colt despite being made by another guy fall in a strange category of would you still consider it a S.A.A.? It's like declaring a Ruby pistol ruby pistol featured on this show as a 1911. It depends on your definition. Also you had some guns that basically operated the same way or superficially the same as a colt soooo... you can still argue in a way in spirit they were... but not really. If you do find anything it is going to fall in a line of, "That special one case." It's nothing you want to sensationalize or tell people they were used. It's because again.... the gun and the situation of what was around during this period was tumultuous. You are going to have frustration understanding and keeping up with it all.
Just to clarify, it's the big 1870 model I am talking of. The small74 quite properly does not get a look in.
A lot of interesting background here for the childhood and developmental years of Nero Wolfe.
ARCHIE!
@13:21 Fleigersh*t made a king size, mother f*cking, 10 high point problem solver. . .
Dats gangsta.
I'm a simple man. I see WAR WERE DECLAREDs, I click like.
Bende var onlardan kara barut silahı.? Döküm demir silah metali esniyo uzuyo kırılıyor.
Is this a the worst weapon you tested or have I missed something.
God I love this show
Hm, at 10:21, am I crazy, or does the Gasser 1877 look like the bastard love child of a Gasser and a Webley?
Sleep? What's that? Is it some kind of french food?
Source for the featured old version of "Onamo 'namo" please. Searching yt for the last hour with no success.
czcams.com/video/w6e0ZbaAPqI/video.html&ab_channel=rade011bgd
Found it!
Montenegro sounded gangsta as fuck. I wish the US was more like this. IE everyone has a gun and gets a Nutnfancy gear check by the President lol