The Story of the Lowest Score in Tetris's Biggest Tournament
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- čas přidán 25. 11. 2022
- Breaking down the only zero line, zero point game in the Classic Tetris Monthly Master's Event in 2022.
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I wanted to play aggressive since I thought I would get a bar very quickly since it’s early. Pretty funny I lost a game like that, great video!
line has to come soon right?
@@InternetTAB Surely!
Any moment now
When you dont get the line
Dude. That was epic. Is that some sort of world record??? lol.
Getting game over by a long waited line piece is a certified Tetris God moment.
“THOU ART A CRUEL, AND ANGRY GOD!!!”
"LINE PIECE!!!!"
even after more than 10 years, god still mocks us
@@ryanbauer3680 YOU HAVE LEFT US ASTRAY!!!
Such an amazing, old set of references. (This scenario could be representative of either old video!)
Editing the possible moves was great. It really illustrated what you were describing.
Scout's editing is good and seems to increase in quality over time. These illustrations really helped.
Not even just placing them, but animating how they'd move from the top to their final location. Very nice.
I thought the pieces were actually on the board, that's so damn impressive
This is why modern games also introduced the piece bag. That way there's no ridiculous piece droughts like what can happen in the fully-random NES Tetris.
WILD POTTIS SPOTTED
That’s also why Tetris is split between Classic and Modern. The mindsets between the 2 really cannot be compared. They are 2 different games that appeal to 2 different audiences. There is no doubt that there are people who are good at both, but I’d imagine muscle memory would get the best of you at the high end.
Have they done Classic vs Modern exhibition matches?
@Troll god It's not stupid, it just ends up being a substantively different game. Classic's emphasis on flexibility and variance makes for really tense gameplay, but modern Tetris' reliability allows for some really virtuosic performances from top players
Removed the fun
It isn't fully random.
After he loses, while the commentator is talking, his opponent gets 6 (SIX!) line pieces. The game just wants to watch the world burn.
Line piece, line piece, LINE PIECE!!!
>gets literally zero points in a final game
>wins anyway
absolute chad
I think this showcases quite well why modern Tetris games uses 7 or 14 buckets instead of just preventing repeat pieces back to back.
they usually use 7-bag
@@compactlethargy5569 That's literally what he said.
@@Cr3zant he said 7 or 14
@@compactlethargy5569 some unofficial games actually use 14-bag, but i doubt there's any official games with it
@@compactlethargy5569 Which naturally inherently includes 7? Is your reading comprehension truly that bad or are you trying to be stupid?
This reminds me of Jon Bois’s search for the saddest punt of all time, and how most of the most depressing and unnecessary punts were committed by teams that went on to win that game
That exact video is literally in the recommend video column on the right of this very comment. I've also watched it a kjhlpillion times because it's a great video.
@@kristofevarsson6903 yep, now I'm gonna have to watch it again too, for the millionth time. Never gets old.
Literally the top recommended video for me after this one lol
@@kristofevarsson6903Yeah, it's pretty good.
It's getting all your bad luck out of the way early on.
Alex T is such a nice guy giving his opponent a 1 game handicap in the finals
Haha, and then still WINNING!
That drought is so beyond insane it's almost unbelievable
Not at all. If you have watched enough tetris over the years, 30+ piece droughts are not overly uncommon.
@@CadillacDriver 1/6^33 = 2.0941546*10^-26
That’s the chance of that happening. Pretty low.
@@nebula534 so you're telling me all the droughts I have seen in CTWC over the years, simply didn't happen? "low chance" or not, it happens.
@@CadillacDriver I never said that. What I mean is that OP is completely justified in thinking that what happened in Alex T 'so beyond insane it's almost unbelievable'.
@@nebula534 but it isn't though - because it happens reasonably often. He'd be justified if this instance was a one off. You're not thinking criticality.
That's basically real-life version of that Tetris God sketch.
LINE PIECE!!!!
Line Piece!!!
A cruel and ANGRY GOD!
LIIIINE PIIIECE
wrrr
This line piece drought is really something.
If I've got my count right, that was a 33 piece line drought. Classic Tetris, from what I can find, just chooses from pieces at random. This means its basically equivalent of failing to roll a 6 on 33 7-sided dice.
The chance of this happening is ~0.63%.
Obviously, the crazy part about all of this is that this unlikely event happened in the finals of a game where the player decided to be extremely aggressive
odds are actually about 0.35%, since NES tetris does some stuff to avoid giving you the same piece twice in a row most of the time
it'll give you the piece twice in a row with 2/56 odds, all other pieces at 9/56 odds, so the chance is (54/56)*(47/56)^32 or about 0.35%
even more unlikely infact, since it's more likely to give you a line piece in avoiding the repeat non-line piece
There's something unbelievably Chad about getting a goose egg and then winning the tournament anyway
bro is at both corners of the grid now
True!
Dammit. This was probably the only record I could achieve if I entered a tournament.
I could beat you
As a lazy data analyst I commend your dedication to collecting this data and providing valuable commentary. You have my respect good sir.
lolol this was awesome. And despite thorough analysis of a terrible game, which could come off as mean-spirited -- it absolutely didn't. You balanced the good with the bad really well, as I would expect! Plus I'm sure Alex really doesn't give a shit either way lol
Interested in the new channel!! I'm subbing right now :)
You could tell he just lost a big gamble. What are the odds of so many S pieces and no line pieces for that long?
@@renakunisaki In NES Tetris? Feels like 50/50 XD
This reminds me so much of the collegehumor tetris skit
"MY LORD! THERE IS NO PLACE FOR THAT PIECE! MUST YOU TOY WITH THIS MORTAL?!"
Pretty all or nothing kind of strategy.
Either get an over-the-top victory or a heartbreaking defeat with no middle ground.
Admirable.
Incredible video and storytelling my dude. You’ve done it again. Thank you to you and Pumpy for the next cool spot for Tetris media as well. Excited to see how that goes!
CZcams: "You will like old videos about competitive Tetris now."
Me: "Yes. Ok. I understand."
I'm a casual Tetris fan and have no interest in Classic, but I ADORE the way you cover this game and its competitive scene. You make me care so much about these players and competitions, and I love the breakdowns of strategy, possible moves, and the evolution of the scene. Bravo!
Thats the single worst luck ever. Like he played it almost perfectly up til the end. Left zero open spots until he absolutely had to at the very end. He kept it open on the right for so long, and had like 3 full tetrises available if he could just get the line pieces. He just got the single worst luck of all time. And just to taunt him, the game gave him the line piece when im pretty sure it was physically impossible to get it into the hole.
I’m laughing so hard because I would’ve done the exact same thing, I catch myself stacking S’s and Z’s all the time and it usually ends up walling the well
noobs that do this need tips. dont feel bad
Losing with a zero score then immediately coming back to win the championship is such a god-tier story to have
Finally, a game that I can aspire to! Really enjoyed the commentary. Looking forward to your new channel.
Incredible video as always Scout! Thank you for starting the new channel and your commitment to the community ❤
Interesting, it seems to me that he made the correct choice every time, but it was high risk/high reward, and unfortunately he got extremely unlucky and it didn't pay off.
He even could’ve saved it at the end, but fucked up the timing. Huge shame but that’s the risk of aggressive play in any game really, he made the window to save himself too small
Dog is just insaanely fit and good looking
I remember a funny picture where the line from Tetris is chilling under the palm and drinking juice. That would be a perfect depiction of this game.
Even though we knew the outcome, that was so much fun to sweat that game with your commentary. Great video Scout!
You know you're a winner when even when you lose it's impressive.
I sometimes believe the "I" piece has a mind of its own.
When you absolutely need it, it just doesn't show up.
And when you don't, it does (multiple times in occasions)
I'm don't really watch tetris professionally, but I remember reading something years ago about how theoretically, a tetris game could give you 4 'S's and 4 'Z's in a row continuously and it would be literally impossible to win.
So when I saw this vid in my recommended; I kinda had a feeling that it would come down to a pro player just having really, really, really bad luck in the middle of a competition. I wasn't 100% right, but that certainly was a big part it seems.
Awesome breakdown dude! Super engaging all the way though~
You're correct, it was proven if you got nothing but endless S's and Z's that you'd eventually die even with perfect play (but it would take a VERY long time so practically, it would never happen in a real game). A small element of that was in play for this game, where Alex got himself into a situation where there were only two realistic options for placing multiple S pieces and he gambled on the aggressive placements and came up short. Thanks for the kind words!
thank you for all the work you do. these videos are truly amazing and informative.
When Linespin Media first popped up in my recommendations I was confused at first. But when I saw all the video descriptions and I knew this had to be official. Well done on the analyses by the way!
I play this way too. This is way too familiar to me. I get too aggressive in keeping the well open and often get sent garbage before I can pull off a string of tetrises. Like chess, I really appreciate Tetris for the balanced, simple gameplay. But like Chess, there's always more to master. Tetris is an eternal game of strategy, logic, reflexes and even personality and psychology. I absolutely love it.
I love the info you provide.
These interesting angles are neat and it's really cool you take the care to respect the player, even if they've made poor gameplay decisions.
golly, even I felt that line in the last second, it's like when men watch a guy getting hit in the balls. not even a rabbit holding a 4-leaf clover with a horseshoe around its neck could've helped with such luck
The fact he didn't even get a single pushdown point is crazy enough on this.
Alex T now has the lowest and highest point record in Tetris.
Fun facts!
add some radio static and put on a mid-atlantic accent, and i swear you’d sound like old timey sports commentator
your narration is amazing, man
This is the first time I've watched an esports video and not been totally confused. It was so exciting!
you really bring your subjects to life, it’s captivating!
You know, back in the day, when I would play tetris with my friends for the one season, we got to nickname the S/Z pieces as "the uglies", because those were the most difficult to place, and were the culprit of almost all top outs, directly, or indirectly. So it's very funny to me this legendary 0 point game was caused by those pieces, I was like "Ah, of course, the uglies had something to do with this" :3
I thought this was going to be a meme, not a serious breakdown of gambler's fallacy + bad luck
The fact that he got from getting 0 lines and 0 points to now having every world record with 16+ million points is an amazing jump for him. Alex is going places
This is literally the surfuce-level joke about Tetris; the line piece never comes when you need it.
Wow, it sucks that Alex got double 0 in that one game, and I bet it felt pretty embarrassing, but I also bet that a lot of people dismissed embarrassment in favor of being "mad at the game system" for just how goofy it was being because it refused to deliver a bar for so long! So it's really amazing that he still won that tournament!
Anyway, since we're here so close to Christmas now... happy Christmas!
Go Scout! Crazy he didn't even get push down points in the beginning.
For level 18 starts, surprisingly, it's believed to be higher risk for marginal gain. Doing it in a full game might add up to like a tetris and a half, but it also typically messes up your stack so much that you miss out on several natural tetrises in the process. It might be helpful in level 15 starts, but I'm also kind of just trying to believe it's useful because it exists.
Worth noting Sidnev pushes down for 1 point because of their own 0 point game which I believe happened in Classic Tetris Gauntlet
Me when I spread misinformation on the internet
Bro did not listen to the newest PDP episode 😭
Being wrong about everything is one of my favorite things to do
At 7:30 it looks like a lot of Netherlands flags filling up the screen which feels fitting given the opponent lol (Even if it is just the standard level 18 top-out screen)
But yeah wow this was quite an unlucky game and deffo shows a reason why in modern ones they guarantee a line every-so-often with 7 piece shuffle on loop, even if the risky play was a big factor
first classic tetris youtube video ive watched, pretty good
Great video. Even though I knew this video was all about a zero point zero line game I was still hoping he’d get the line piece in time 😂
Great video!! I know other people have already said it, but this has strong Jon Bois energy to me -- and I mean that as a very high compliment!
Great video + editing!
On point as always
Ending up won the tournament even with the RNG completely against the aggressive strat so hard and trolled at the last second for extra measure
What a mad lad.
He did a 0 to death combo in Tetris. What a chad 😎
As a TGM player, I really respect the dedication that Classic players have. I can’t imagine playing the Stiffest Possible Version of the game at any sort of competitive level, so seeing the sort of BS the top players have to put up with is amazing. D:
It’s crazy how far things have come in the pro Tetris world since just a few years ago when hypertapping was introduced.
Alex T goes from 0 to the world records across all games types
Yeah
Hahahaha I don't even play or do anything Tetris related and I'm just sitting here watching fully engaged. Nice job man.
idk anything abt tetris but watching this video was the most hyped i've gotten abt anything in while. wonder if this is how ppl who like sports feel
Haha AlexT is so fun to watch. one of the best players as well..
Mr. Lowest Score Ever, and Mr. Highest Scores Ever.
finally one of these guys gets the rng i always do
I had no idea the piece bag was a mechanic introduced later in the series. This is insane. Cool though!
Dude, from these videos that I've watched, alex T is a complete loose cannon player lmao, love him.
Love the idea for linespin media! Super aggressive move to start a new channel instead of leveraging the audience of an existing channel. Also super aggressive to primarily focus on the new shorts format. Even more aggressive to have already "used up" a bunch of moments and posted there a bunch already before telling us about it! Lemme just go over there and sub and upvote to make sure of no double goose egg. May you get plenty of line pieces in the future!
This was awesome!
2:00 Thank you for the respect for the oft-neglected B theme!
So, there are actually lots of different ways in winning. losing can also mean winning. wow i didnt know that this game is so deep. thank you for your wisdom
This is the god of tetris sketch in action and I love that prediction very much.
Even knowing the outcome watching it unravel was super stressful
"Can I have a long one please? Why must these infernal blocks tease?" - The man who arranges the blocks
It's funniest when the competitor still manages to carry on with their career after a super infamous failure. Reminds me how in the fighting game community, the losing player in "Moment 37" is actually still playing fighting games.
I quit watching when Nubbins died back when 230 was still sorta the limit and man has the game changed. RIP to the GOAT
Love these new graphics :D
Alex T does indeed have a lot of records.
I legit thought this was Tristop’s Club zero against Allen in the most recent CTwC
Incredible and I think not even sharky would play a game like that 😁
This is unbeatable
This happened in CTWC 2022 Gold bracket as well, but I don't remember who it was 😅
Shows that it can happen to the best!
I believed it was tristop(not to make fun of him by the way)
Given the current scene of Classic Tetris, it won't be long before this record gets broken.
great video bro
Omg the way the line piece just strolls in at the final worst moment is just cruel. "Someone call for me?"
Harry Hong: this is why you go for pushdown points
Dude played a perfect game without a longbar lol
This is really interesting. I was wondering: what is the closest match? It would also be interesting to know the closest match of continuing contention (that is, chasedown or simultaneous top-out) if that is something that is tracked.
that is indeed tracked - great video idea! I'll put it in the queue
It's funny that while it's possible to get 0 points in this unlucky event... You can get a tad above 0 by pressing down to make the pieces fall faster, which gives you some points.
Whoa man, the guy is at the origin of the curve. Legend
7:22 Thou art a CRUEL and ANGRY GOD!
Crazy how a line piece took that long to show
An uncompromising approach that probably racks up a lot most of the time… but is vulnerable to particularly unlucky situations
Well, yeh- I guess this phenomenon happens in many games. In chess, there are plenty of times where a top Grandmaster will actually lose quicker than a lower-ranked player; in difficult positions, they always play in an active manner that offers chances to fight back (but can lose quickly), rather than just let themselves be inevitably ground down slowly.
And to believe this guy would get 10,000,000 points not too long afterwards… talk about a redemption arc!
I have no background in tetris at all but these videos are really entertaining
This reminds me of that really old "Tetris Gods" skit from college humor.
that 0 line 0 point is a great reason why he finally committed to rolling, as with a roll, he likely would have avoided that line snag at the end and escaped.