I took the Advanced MSF Course...how did it go?
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- čas přidán 8. 04. 2021
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The MSF offers many more riding courses after the certification course. Here is how the BasicRider Course 2 (same as the certification course except with your own bike) and Advanced class went. I want to test ride more bikes, and not be so limited on what I can ride - that includes making sure my skills are as sharp as possible. I hope it helps those of you considering taking more classes, or if you haven't thought of doing so, you may consider it now!
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This is a collaboration with the MSF and their training site at the Honda facility in Alpharetta, GA. They covered the cost of the class in exchange for a video on my experience. All of the views and opinions expressed in this video are solely those of myself and not representative of the Motorcycle Safety Foundation or the MSF Campus Alpharetta/ Honda Rider Education Center.
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Sorry I can only show a little bit of footage from the class, and mostly recounting it afterwards! When I’m in class I want to make sure I am fully focused on the lessons, so that means a little less footage during the class itself.
Have you taken any more courses to sharpen your skills? Do you plan to?
Never took any courses, but plan on least getting Jerry's Ride Like Pro DVDs or finding a nearby class once I am back on two wheels.
Taking the intermediate rider clinic on the 22nd!
Next month, if covid allows it, I will have my first course. Just twisty roads in the pre-Alpi region of northern Italy. I'm so excited🤩. And scared too! 😬
I’ll tell you why you can’t on your bike
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Not yet, but I would like too.
We all need a little more Doodle in our lives. You make this world a better place. I love your love for life and motorcycles.
You are a breath of fresh air!!
HELL YEAH !!!!
Breath of fresh air... exactly what I thought first time I watched. Promptly clicked subscribe.👍
After riding for a while, I think it takes some kind of courage to go back and take those courses. It will show your flaws, which nobody wants to hear after they have been riding for a long period of time. Hats off to you. Stay safe out there.
I feel for you, Doodle. I avoid intentionally riding in wet weather, even after 45 years of riding, because riding with wet pants and a wet butt really sux! When I was 20 I did one 45 minute ride in the freezing rain. At the end I was stiff, numb, and barely able to move my hands, feet, arms, legs, & everything, you name it. The wind chill factor had to have been near 0, and I was wet, and did not wear real riding gear back then, either! I never did that again, EVER! The things I survived doing at that age make me cringe nowadays, lol!
I’m glad your doing this. We need you around for a long time.
Congratulations on the improvement. I love practicing slow manuvers on my R1 confidence is key.
Awesome! Glad to hear you did so well on the track.
One of the things I like about your videos is how you acknowledge every puppy you see.
Haha, same! 😊
I try to get a course of some sort at least every other year. It’s hard sometimes. I do go to my local high school and practice slow speed stuff a lot during the summer. 10-15 minutes each time. You won’t believe how good you will get by mid summer. Providing you use all the proper techniques. Congratulations on your courses. 👍
Great job! And you're incredibly intelligent and a better rider than most for practicing and realizing your skills could use sharpening and then doing something about that. I wish every rider was so self aware and smart.
What a great idea👊🏼😃. I struggle with slow speed turns and my new bike is so much heavier, I REALLY need to take another class. The MSF course is a must for everyone. Great Vid.
You reviewing bikes at your height is exactly why I'm here. I'm 5'4" with zero upper body strength. Harley reviews done by big ass men are not helpful.
Yessssssss I know the feeling!
That’s a pretty skull. With a thunderbolt in it.)
I tooooooold you. I’m so glad you did it. Well done you rock.
I took the BRC back in 2004. I aced it then. I retook it in 2018 as a refresher having been off bikes for almost 10 years. The second day of class was non-stop cold rain. I did not do as well I feel due to shivering all day. But, still passed. I did not get a lot of seat time last summer due to health issues and Covid lockdown. I still had to work, essential here, but nothing open to ride to. Hopefully this summer will be different.
I am a firm believer that we, as humans, are constantly learning. As bikers, even more so.
I've watch enough of your videos to realize you are such a nice person. People must love riding with and being around you. Thanks for your channel
Having watched you from the start, seeing your growth and confidence I have no doubt of your ability and commitment to constant learning. Riding a motorcycle is not a "day off" mentality, it is the opposite. Full attention, full 360 awareness. Keep going, "you passed the audition".
Looking forward to you on the dirt! Good luck!
taking my NYS MSP Basic Rider Course May 1st! Thanks for the info on the more advanced courses!
I just the beginner's MSF course it was very informative. Your channel is very useful with helping me how to ride and choosing a bike for myself. 👍
Yay!!
A major case of “swamp butt!” 😂😂😂 I love your videos 💯
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😅 Pro tip: only wet your gear for a cool down if it’s perforated!!
@@DoodleOnAMotorcycle
Did you wet your pants too?
great attitude. no wonder you are learning so many skills soooo fast!
Thank you for sharing, important content.
Doodle
Great video! Never stop trying to get better. This increases you confidence level as you keep practicing the slow speed riding skills. Slow speed skills are the most overlooked of all. These are needed in crowded motorcycle venues, drive-ins, and crowded parking lots. I see way too many people "Power Walking" their bikes because they have zero slow speed skills! I like to never take my feet off the foot pegs until I stop. Like MotoJitsu says..."practice,practice.practice"
Great video Lady! 🙌👏👏👏🤙👌🖖✌👍👋🙂🌹
The ARC is soo fun! Thanks for sharing 😁
Much respect. I took a basic class after riding for 22 years riding off road and street bikes cruisers and sport bikes. I learned stuff. It’s not that I never heard or did those things, it’s that I also developed bad habits over the years. You have an awesome attitude and want to be a good rider. That’s better than most riders that I know. Most are overconfident. Keep it up. It’s cool to hear your prospective.
Great Video!
Yea!! Someone close to my size reviewing bikes. So happy. Taking my first class in May. Purchasing my first bike after that. Thank you for sharing 🤓
Yay!! 😃 good luck!
good job describing your experience as always
good job as always
Hey Doodle, I did my advanced course in Australia after returning to riding and I also have a Street Triple R. I struggled with u turns and kept putting foot down! A major factor with our bikes is the turning circle is not great as its a sporty bike but with practice, practice, practice you can ride anything like a pro!
Keep up the great vids and all the best from 🐨 land 😎
Good for you taking advanced courses. Dirt is the best place to learn how to push the envelope in your riding skills. I have only been riding since 1977, so consider myself a novice. Learning something on every ride and practicing discipline is why I love to ride.
Awesome vid buddy!!
Absolutely agree about temperature on blacktop for MSF. I did mine in February-in Seattle and friends thought I would be frozen but it was kinda perfect. And got early practice feeling the bike on wet pavement and the slick painted lines that surprise people.
Good on you for doing it 🙂
Enjoyed this vlog. Funny, entertaining, informative, and awesome all mixed into one video. Kewl Beans Doodle!!!!
Well done!
Good job! 2021 list almost done xD
Almost!! 😃
Excellent job Carolyn 👌....you did so much better than you thought...👊👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏😉
I totally want to take the MSF course over again on my current bike, which I am intimidated by. I was totally thinking about the predicament you were in when you had your Bonneville. Feeling like my bike is too powerful for me right now and totally relating!
Dirt bike will VERY much improve your road skills eg when you slide around on the dirt it’s normally ( on asphalt it’s not ) but if it happens on asphalt when your dirt trained it’s not as much of a concern. The BEST MotoGP riders stared in dirt
Excellent genuine channel 👍
Stay safe
Right in my neighborhood of Johns Creek. Triumph rider myself, 1972 TR6 650, 2004 Thruxton, and 2007 Tiger 1050.
Doodle, Way to go expanding your learning on Motorcycles. That’s so awesome. You made me laugh at the end of your video. My weekend can start Doodle posted a video.
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I have a routine where every time I go out for a ride I go by a small church parking lot and do low speed skills for 10-15 minutes. Then when out on the ride I go to less traveled roads where I practice trail braking, clutch throttle and brake interactions and smoothness between them. Then I find a road with a longer straight section and practice a few low and higher speed emergency braking skill stops. It keeps me current on slow speed and higher speed skills we need to be safer riders. If you do this type of refresher training all the time, when you need one of the skills it will be second nature to perform well. Keep the rubber down and ride safe.
I think you are so nice , and really enjoy your video's . the more I watch the more I see how accomplished you are.
Doodle, I love your videos because you are just you doing what Doodle does. No BS. You are also funny. Thank you for your videos.
First of all I have the same shirt, but in a slightly bigger size. So that already makes you pretty cool.
Secondly, riding someone else's bike is always easier because you aren't worried about dropping your own bike.
Thirdly in the practice session in the box during my MSF I ended up under the bike watching the asphalt slide just a couple inches past my eyes for several feet. Good thing I was wearing a helmet. Even though my right leg was crushed and bruised and I had the wind knocked out of me, I later aced the actual skills test. The MRI only cost twice as much as the MSF course.
Lastly I will always watch any video of yours. You never fail to educate and entertain. It would be awesome to see you do rooster tails and back flips on a dirt bike.
I failed the class the first time I took it. Mind you, I had been riding a 98 Harley Softail for a couple of months to work prior to this so I was very comfortable on the bikes they had for class. I was also one of the best riders in the group, but I failed the sharp turn portion. I was devastated and had to retake that portion - fortunately I didn't let my head get in my way that time! I'll be taking it again for sure - you are absolutely right about its all about the basic skills.
One takeaway I get from this is; the ability to learn is really important in progressing a skill but the ability to remain teachable is paramount. You have come to these classes eager to not only learn but be taught. Many times our ego gets in the way of learning because we can't manage to humble ourselves enough listen and accept some criticism. Keep doing what you're doing Doodle! This is some great stuff.
Great video...keep it up
I love taking classes. In last three years I've taken BRC1, twice took BRC2, 3xs MSF Dirt bike, and took Total Control Advanced. I love slow riding practice.
Been riding on the street since the 90s, just got into the dirt…. And love it! My prediction is you will as well. Biggest difference: on the dirt you will drop the bike sometime, and it’s ok. If you never drop it, you’re not pushing yourself. On the streets that equals a lot of $ and probably something broken on you. On the dirt, you just pick the bike up, start it and keep going.
I've never taken formal training, it didn't exist sixty years ago.(UK) You had to learn and survive so's to speak. Over the years I have found riding very slowly is an art in itself, as is riding fast. there is a 'sweet spot' in the middle range though. You seem to have mastered that when I've watched your Lakeside rides. Above all enjoy the moment...Greetings from España.
The CB300F is my first (and so far only) bike! Haha. I’ve got 11 months and 4,300 miles of experience on it. The next bike is definitely going to be something dirt-worthy. :)
I was riding when I was 14 years old. I got pulled over by a statey when I was 46 because he wanted to see my 1965 Panhead. He gave me a fix it ticket to take a MSC to get the endorsement on my license.
Now that I have a Lady that rides with me, my usual summer parking lot practice wasn't enough. I'm 855 years old and watching videos on two-up riding while I wait for the two classes I'll be taking. An advanced rider course and a course for two-up riding as my Lady doesn't want to ride herself.
As a wrench, I've had to deal with riders over loading their bikes and coming to me with handling problems as they think it's mechanical. The few trips I've taken with my Lady, we are refining our packing as we will have the bike packed for both of my classes.
I'm doing this on my 87 Honda Goldwing, but we'll practice also on my 04 Road King. She helped me recover the two-up seat for the Honda and loves it's comfort the most.
Just my two cents as I Thank You for letting this ol' fart know, it's okay to keep learning and taking classes where I'll have to listen to other people. Thank You Doodle
Hoka Hey
I haven’t taken any training courses because I think the best training is to ride a lot under typical riding conditions. I do practice a tight left u turn once every week when I come to the end of a street. I watch msf videos once in a while to make sure I’m not practicing mistakes. But I enjoy watching your participation in rider training courses and your overall enthusiasm for motorcycles.
Riding in typical riding conditions doesn't help you improve though. It's the atypical situations that give people trouble because they're not ready for it.
@@chillpengeru the single most common cause of motorcycle accidents (42 %) is cars making left turns.
Vertical Struggles, I hear ya on that. I'm 5'8" and it presents challenges at times. tippy fall over kind of challenges, especially when I'm tired, or wet & cold.
New sub, this is good information on the course.
Awesome! I do figure 8s as an exercise before I start my door dash shift. Gotta stay on your toes and never forget fundamentals!
Smart!!!
4 year rider here. I had to take the riding portion of the basic course twice......it was my 1st time on a motorcycle. After a year of riding, i took the advanced on my Honda Shadow 750. It was a GREAT EXPERIENCE. HIGHLY RECOMMEND!! Now i am on a 2020 suzuki vstrom 650 Adv & take advantage of those N GA twisties and camping as much as i can!! I'm in Athens GA. 12K miles in a year 🙌 Maybe i'll see you up there someday 🙂 I'm typically riding solo.
I had to retake the basic test - and the instructors let me do it on my bike. They said the same things! That I was much more at ease on my own bike.
I had the benefit of taking the old style Gov. test here in BC Canada for my motorcycle classification, and the hardest test by far, picture 4 cones in a line, your bike positioned between the 2 cones in the middle.You push turn the bike from between the center 2 cones at full lock, and they place the remaining 2 cones on the outside of the bike after turning 180 degrees each side. You were then expected to ride it, make 3 full figure-eights without coming off of full steering lock, with the exception of turning back to the opposite full lock to make the eight. Oh, and putting your foot down is a fail, 3 strikes.
I'm 5'02" woman, as well, and Definitely want to take advanced courses. Thanks for posting.
I loved the MSF course!
Good Vid Doodle!
Peter and Geoff..... I get the feeling of years and years of experience there. Nothing beats experience...in anything. Well done Doodle.😁👍
Oh yes, 'swamp butt'...WTF, classic..😂🤣😂🤣👏
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@@johnnyutah6056 authoritative source, point taken.👍😁
Thanks Doodle! New Rider here. Taking the course in June. Hopefully not postponed again.
This was interesting and revealing, Doodle! I've never taken a riding course; back when I started riding, if you could fog a mirror, you got a motorcycle endorsement for your license! I am becoming curious to try a course, but If I do poorly after riding for for sixty years . . . . O:
always SUPER genuine and enthusiastic toward the topic! LOVE IT DOODLES!!!!!!!!!! good job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! minus the swamp butt lol hahahahaha
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I took the ProRiderAtlanta course up in Buford last September, but I took it on a 268lb SYM Wolf. I've since gone to a 410lb Himalayan with a 32" seat. Only had it a few weeks, already dropped it once. A slow skills practice course is in order.
I know the feeling! You doing one foot down? That made all the difference in helping me stop dropping bikes
@@DoodleOnAMotorcycle Yes. I'm OK with one-foot-down really. The drop happened when I was practicing mounting (after watching that Cassie Meier Mototrek video). But the huge increase in weight still surprises me sometimes, especially since I am still riding the little bike too. Just need more practice is all. I think you taking all these courses is a great idea.
That’s crazy! It’s the exact same location I took my BRC at 6 months ago! Their training is top notch and I even picked the CB300F for the course!
Cool! 😃
Thanks Doodle for your videos!! What I learned from the BRC2... "Look where you want to go".... NOT "Look where you are going". All of our lives we are told and taught to Look where you are going. Whether it is walking, riding a bicycle, or driving a car. If you do that on a motorcycle you will end up wide in turns, or dabbing your leg in short tight turns. Looking where I wanted to go, helped me a lot.
For real!! 😅
You’re probably just a better rider than you gave yourself credit for
I totally agree , in Australia 🇦🇺 we have ALOT of motorcycle deaths ( especially from older return riders ) so when they got their license say 30 years there was no real test / was probably the same in most parts of the states then to I would imagine ? anyway theses riders need to pass to different course in Australia in all our states a L test learners and P test Provisional then 3 years latter go on full license, in Australia we have a 650cc L/ P limit and also a power to ratio as well. It has reduced deaths of younger riders Significantly , unfortunately older return riders have that full license and try to tide like they did when they were 20 . I was a motorcycle instructor and a HUGE believer that riders should do a refresher course every 2 -3 years ( compulsory) to retain your license. What your doing is fantastic to keep your skills keep encouraging others to do the same 👍
Considering retaking the riding courses. I sucked at the stops ( always looked down) but I enjoyed the box when I took the BRC1. Funny though, I now suck at tight u turns
LOL! 😅
I’m fortunate because my front yard is literally a parking lot, and one of my favourite things to do it fire up my DR650 or my Goldwing, and make the tightest circles I can, just idling, no throttle. I’m trying to master no-throttle no-hands u-turns, where you crank your head so your chin touches your shoulder, swing your bum to the opposite side of the seat, while keeping the hands in the air. I’m not there yet, still putting a foot down a lot, but it’s challenging and fun! One day I’ll master it...
Idling?? My instructors would whoop me back when I would idle! I could never get tight without throttle and that’s when I’d drop
I am just like you in that the high-speed curvy stuff is where I have no issues. Of course, I am not Rossi, but I have no issues leaning that bike over and accelerating through the turn. The slow-speed stuff where I could actually drop and damage my bike is what frustrates me. We both have this mental hurdle to get through. I took an advanced slow-speed course through BMW in their South Carolina facility. It was amazing to see these people throw those GS around like it was nothing at slow speeds. I managed to do several of the obstacles at least once and especially when I was following a trainer, but I was never ever consistent.
I think the advanced course from MSF focuses on what it does because if you fail at the high-speed stuff, the likelihood of injury is high. Slow speed fails are just bad for the bike and your pride. We both need to keep practicing and we will get there!
Yessssssssss!!
I did the safety course again after 4 years of riding before I started taking the advanced courses. Totally worth it 👍
Those U turns are hard 😂I took mine last month and and every one had trouble with it, even the instructor. But like you said the faster stuff we are comfortable with
I plan to take these this year. :)
When I bought my 675 Daytona the low seat height was a big selling point for me. Plus it's unique.
Oh, hey! I was wondering if you'd please do another video just on being short and riding? Now that you've experimented with different options and are doing better in the courses, I found your videos pretty useful, since they are coming from someone who's constantly learning ^-^
Good idea!!
Everyday it is experience and everyday you learn something riding bike.
I ride bike since I was 13, now I'm 45 and I assure you that every time I ride I learn something. The learning process never stop if you want improve your skills.
I'm from Atlanta and the first two houses I lived in did not have air-conditioning, it's kind of why Oglethorpe said the state was uninhabitable. The Honda dealer on Ridgewood in Daytona, coming from the south there is a median, can't just pull right in, which is very typical in cities; there might be a downed tree across a two lane, on a hill in Georgia for sure, making the getting off and all that more silly; there are just too many places where a U-turn is needed, why it's a basic skill, so keep working on it.
I took the returning rider course a couple of years ago when I bought my Heritage and started riding again. Have a different Softail now. Maybe I need to go take another MSF class. Thanks for the video.
P.S. it sucks having a wet rear end on a bike.
IT DOES!!
After riding street bikes for 5-6 years I got into trail riding. Bought a KTM EXC 250 2-stroke and hit the woods with my much more experienced friends. I learned that I sucked as a motorcycle rider. I probably had little business on a street bike. The first couple years were a struggle to ride single track motorcycle trails through the woods. I got much better over time. Best thing I ever did as a rider was spend some time on a dirt bike!
Just bought myself a new bike and I for sure am going to practice the slow speed skills. Even after 28 years riding a motorcycle I still am not confident with U turns. And since I regulary need it over here in The Netherlands where roads are way narrower than in the States I reaaly think it is so necessary to go practicing. I always though I was the only one screwing them up haha!
Watching from the Philippines... 😁👍
Good job. I need to do that myself. I have practiced slow speed stuff in the parking lot before but my supersport doesn't like it. It gets bored and wants to get on the road and go.
I've learned to adjust for being on asphalt. Typically 60-70 degrees I'll wear mesh gear with liners. Above 70, remove the liner. Conversely, below 60 I use regular gear and below 40 heated gear.
This ☝🏽☝🏽☝🏽
Great achievement.
In the UK is much harder to get qualified to ride a bike.
The advanced training that you just did is called a CBT in the UK.
After a CBT you can ride up to a 125cc bike whist displaying learner plates.
Next stop, the police and first responder course! Great vid!
Today I ran across one of your video post so continued to watch all of your videos,Let me share something with you.You can take every motorcycle course they have to offer but the first thing you must tackle is your fears!!Most females that purchase a motorcycle is to look cute not realizing you have a beast animal between your legs as you ride.Most females never get the fullness of fun riding a bike because of fear.If you gonna ride top speed at 40/50mph it’s probably best you purchase a scooter which is something that’s easy to handle ....You have to always remember sport bikes are really made for the track so trying to handle such a heavy bike at ah slow speed daily will ware you down!!The faster you go on ah sport bike the lighter it gets Also I’m pretty sure you know by now that going in a curve go a lot smoother with constant throttle!!I promise you if you get some sliders for your bike and practice daily on pushing your throttle more you gain more respect and have tons of fun on your motorcycles!!Remember fear is the devil so lets tackle him first and thanks for the videos my friend!!!
Nice! I'll be taking my IAM Advanced Rider course in July. I think that's just a UK qualification. I'm hoping to become a blood biker.
Blood biker?
Blood biker sounds like a Mad Max faction. 😁
@@DoodleOnAMotorcycle It's a volounteer service in the UK. They transport things like Blood and Breast milk for premature babies between hospitals. Basically anything that will fit on a bike and is needed urgently.
good job ! I learn froim my crashed and broken bones haha
Omg!! 😅
Jeff was one of my teachers when I took the MSF course 2 years ago!
Cool!!! 😃
DIRT BIKE TIME! Seriously, learning dirt does make people a better rider. I've hit greasy patches on highway ramps and had the back end slip, and I'm pretty sure it's all the time I've spent on various dirt vehicles, and learning the lack of traction involved in riding them, that kept me up.
Ha! I took my BRC with Peter about 5 yrs. ago at Hellbender Harley 😃
Cool!! 😃
I just learned how to trail brake. I’ve knew how to do it. But not been able to do it until the last few weeks
Ha bit different when I did my cbt years ago which I think is equivalent of your msf I did it on a scooter which was falling to pieces I had to hold the fairing on with my boot while riding it fun for my first time on a bike.
please see if you can join the local Police motorcyle training course. That would be a great video seeing some of their training with you as a student.