Maekar Targaryen: the First Stannis Baratheon (ASOIAF History/Lore)
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- čas přidán 14. 06. 2024
- Hello everyone! Today I'm going over another one of my favorite Targaryen Kings from #asongoficeandfire and comparing him to the One True King, Stannis Baratheon.
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00:00 History and Memory
00:39 Maekar Targaryen
01:19 Glory and War
02:07 Meeting Maekar
02:36 A Trial of Seven
03:22 Tragedy Strikes
04:19 King Maekar
05:19 Maekar's Death
05:43 Parallel Stories
06:44 Maekar and Stannis
07:54 Conclusions - Zábava
“Some Targaryens are forgotten” yeah, feeble King Aerys I was forgotten from this video’s timeline.
Poor Aerys I. I actually like him a lot. One of my favourite Targaryens.
In GM's defense, aside from the Third Blackfyre Rebellion where Maekar showed 'leadership' there isn't much recorded as of now of what Maekar was up to under his brother's reign.
King Maekar was a fourth-born son, and his son Egg or Aegon V was the fourth son of a fourth son. I will say that the reason why Maekar seems like a second son is because his older brothers between him and Baelor were not very capable in war. (Rhaegal and Aerys I)
You're correct! I misspoke in the video, I think my instinct was to think that he was second behind Baelor just because the two of them are so often paired together.
And, though improbable, it's a situation not without precedent in our history. Louis XV of France was the third son of a third son (if I remember correctly!) and certainly not expected to succeed his great-grandfather, Louis XIV. It's a fascinating turn of events, including little Louis being hidden by his governess during an outbreak of measles, to prevent the "maesters" from bleeding him as they did his older brother, the dauphin, who died.
@@shelleyj3704 Louis XV was a third son, but his father and grandfather were both eldest sons. Though all of Louis XIV's sons, and all but one of his grandsons, died before him, so it was a close-run thing.
Thank you!
I hate when people overlook important canon in videos that are supposed to explain important canon lol
Would I be right to assume you were also thinking that Baelor and Maekar's relationship was similar to that of Robert and Stannis?
“I’ll go to my grave thinking of Baelor’s spear.”
-Maekar the Mannar
More like "Baelor's helm"💀💀
George does a good job at writing oldest middle and youngest siblings in story with how much stannis and maekar could try but never fall out of the shadow of their more popular older sibling.
Viserys II and Jaehaerys the old
So all siblings?
He’s great at writing siblings all together.
Small change but after the death of Daeron II, Aerys I becomes king not Maekar. Enmity grows between Aerys and Maekar because Aerys keeps Bloodraven as hand instead of having Maekar become hand, similar to how Stannis becomes infuriated with Robert for not naming him hand after Jon Arryn dies.
Yes but then Maekar when he became King keeps Bloodraven as Hand because he’s so good at the job. Aery I made the right call IMO
Stannis was mad at Robert for not naming him hand after Jon Arryn died, but he (Stannis) also fled Kings Landing because he thought the Lannisters were after him after the death of Jon Arryn and both men knowing about Jaime and Cersi's incest.
There are a bunch of underrated Targaryens and Maekar is certainly one of them.
I think Alaric Stark was the first Stannis. He was also a second son(his big brother was murked by a giant) and his personality matches exactly with Stannis.
Yep. Alaric is the most Stannis character George has, by a mile.
Maekar was the 4th son btw, not the second, it goes Baelor, Aerys I, Rhaegal, and Maekar I
Looking in a whole, this era seems to have the most… quiet successions of kings. Like Daeron I, Baelor, Viserys II, Aegon IV, Aerys I, Maekar. But even then was it really? Considering it’s possible Viserys II poisoned Baelor, likely that Aegon IV poisoned his father, Maekar killed his older brother followed by the plague that killed off numerous other heirs. So frankly, the Targaryen succession has never been peaceful.
I honestly don't buy the whole "Viserys II poisoned Baelor" thing, Baelor was already 41 days into his fasting and was planning on fasting for even longer, so I don't think Viserys would need to do anything for him to die, on top of that, that's assuming Viserys wanted Baelor dead, and from what we know he was cool with him, and the theory that he did it cause "Baelor was about to launch a crusade" goes against Baelors character seeing as he left the Ironborn and the North alone for most of his reign and George himself has admitted that Baelor would rather pray than ever raise his fists, so going on a crusade seems like a DRASTIC thing to do without anything in the middle maybe pushing him to (At least with Aegon the conqueror taking over all of Westeros and Aegon V doing summerhal, George has confirmed that Aegon dreamt of the long night and saw that his family needed to be in charge to save the world, which all things considered, seems like a pretty good reason to take over a continent, and as for Aegon V, we have theories and evidence that he might have read or dreamed about the long night coming one way or another (Bloodraven maybe or maybe not being involved) and also learned that they needed dragons, so he then decided that killing a few family members to save the world was worth it, which again, all things considered, pretty good (Or at least understandable) motivation to do what he did), and that's all without mentioning that the rumors that Viserys poisoned Baelor probs came from Aegon IV projecting what he did to his father in an attempt to put attention away from himself kinslaying to take over the throne and more towards his father, the ONLY way I can see Viserys II poisoning Baelor, is if Viserys came to become sick and tired of having to rule the realm with monarchs that didn't give him his proper due or even hindered his efforts and decided them dying was for the best (Still a stretch, he clearly didn't care for the limelight and it doesn't seem like they hindered him that much), OR, if Baelor did go from peace and love to fire and blood through misinterpreting a dragon dream thinking it was a message from the seven (Or something along those lines) and Viserys learned about it and put him down as a result (Although odds are Baelor died of starvation and Aegon IV spread rumors that Viserys II did it, cause he REALLY liked to spread bullshit rumors throughout his reign)
"The targaryen succession has never been peaceful." Aegom V, jajaerys II and aerys seems pretty peaceful. Sure aegon v died in a fire but it was an accident.
It’s also important to note that while he did kill his brother on accident, he was literally fighting Baelor and The Laughing Storm Lyonel Baratheon as they double teamed him. The laughing storm is almost as tall as dunk. Tragic accident but that goes to show you how bad ass of a warrior he was
Maekar was the fourth born son of King Daeron the 2nd, that's why Egg is Aegon the Unlikely the Fourth Son of a Fourth Son. Baelor, Rhaegal, and Aerys, he inherits the throne from Aerys the 1st
Maekar is the 4th son, I could be wrong but isn't aerys the 2nd born and rhaegel the 3rd.
Yeah i was confused as well, because 'Egg', the unlikley is called that because he is the 4th son of a 4th son. Maybe Quinn can correct it somehow.
I’ve always noticed the parallels between Maekar and Stannis. I think they might have some similarities in the future in that Stannis could storm the Dreadfort after he takes Winterfell, similar to how Maekar stormed Starpike.
Isn't Maekar the fourth son and then egg is a fourth son of a fourth son giving him the name Aegon the Unlikely
He is, Aerys I and I think Rhaegal were both older
@@RedHairedWarlordyeah still a great vid
To be fair, Daeron wrote a book about his adventures. Which quickly became a favorite of every martial-minded boy born after him. That wins you hero status. Daeron I was a disaster for a king, but damn did he look cool being one.
Basically Richard the Lionheart and Alexander the Great fused into one lol
"Baelor Breakskull" at 4:24 is a savage thing. My man didn't need to be murdered more than he already was.
I've always enjoyed Maekar. In my mind, I'm casting Sam Reid (Lestat on Interview With The Vampire) to play him in the KOTSK prequel haha. Since Maekar oddly can't remember striking the fatal blow, I've wondered if Bloodraven was interfering in the battle; manipulating events to protect the necessary bloodline for TPTWP and used Maekar to kill Baelor, then wiped his memory of doing so the way he wiped Bran's memory of who pushed him. No proof of that other than Maekar's strange inability to recollect inflicting the hit; it's just something I side-eye.
I definitely get Bloodraven interference vibes, seeing as Breakspear seems been much harder to to manipulate than his brothers.
@@QuinnTheGM Then I'm not crazy haha. Good.
King Maekar was the only king from Daeron the Good to Jaehaerys II to not have a Blackfyre rebellion. There had been 5 rebellions since Aegon the Unworthy’s death but the blackfyres made sure to stay the hell away from Westeros when Maekar sat the Iron Throne because even they knew that Maekar would garner way more support from the continent as a war hero in the 1st & 3rd rebellions.
Maekar vs Bittersteel is the fight we all wanted to see
Would love a video on Viserys. As shown at the very beginning he's always forgotten but has such a long and awesome history.
nevermind you've already made it my bad
Interesting that you compared
These two ironically two of my faves
Great video! I personally would love to get more content on Northern politics. 👍🏾
Another great video
It might just be my ears, but I think the audio in this one better than your other videos.
Huh, glad to hear that! This one was actually recorded on my phone, as I was on vacation while making it.
Mannis was just practicing pre-emptive self-defence. Renly planned to have Stannis killed the next morning.
My favourite teacher is back. Hi Quinn
you pronounced Maekar differently within the first minute of the video...gods i love this fandom😂
Your the professional!!
Pycel did mention that the summer of King Maekar’s reign was the hottest summer on record. Talking to Eddard Stark when he came to “seek council” and ask about Jon Arynn in GoT. The heat was quite notable indeed in The Sworn Sword. Possibly a small representation of the dichotomy between the weather and the Long Night. And maybe the Doom of Valyria as well.
Egg’s training to be a knight, to rule, learning about small folk, strengthening Targaryen rule. Might be the only way to deafest the threat that lies in the North. Winter Is Coming. 🥶🥶🥶🥶
Thank you for another video, game master 🙏
Also best crown
Great video, an underrated King for sure. Where in Ireland are you?
I went all over! Started in Dublin, then went to Belfast for a day or so, and then over to County Donegal, which is where my family is from.
@@QuinnTheGM Lovely! At least you didn't stay only in Dublin as some tourists do, you got to see some of the countryside and small towns. That's how you get a proper feel for the country.
Absolutley based title
Aegon V, The Unlikely, was "unlikely" not only because he was the 4th son, but a 4th son of a 4th son. Maekar had 3 elder brothers. Talking about forgotten Targaryens 😅
Aerys I next please
Maekar is one of my favorite targs
Who do you think should play Prince Makear in A Knight Of Seven Kingdoms, should it get made?
You forgot the 2 brothers between them lol including a king
Maekar the mannis. The nickname even fits.
Something is wrong, wasn't Egg the V the fourth son of a fourth son ?
Maekar is Daeron’s 4th born son. Baelor ‘Breakspear’ Rhaegel, Aerys I, then Maekar. Then Maekar has a bunch of kids, Egg being his 4th.
I think if we ever got a TV adaptation of this we would find out that Maekar was actually a bad dude, and the history books just cover for him. I think Martin really likes to make his history ambiguous, and makes it realistic in that the winners write the history, and they often write themselves in a better light.
In fairness, you don't need a reason to fight with your son in a trial by combat. Also, Baelor dies immediately after anyone realizes there is a problem. You exaggerate how long it took. Good video.
I think Maekar was a good King. He should’ve though made it clear who his heir was. They had to hold a Great Council after his death.
Welcome to Ireland ☘️
Algormancy!
As for Maekar, he is the best of Daeron’s sons after Baelor of course, but even still it’s best that Baelors line didn’t make it because They seemed like regular Princelings, though not as bad as Aerion, but Maekar becoming king aloud Egg and his brother Admin to have more political influence, and those 2 were arguably the best Targaryens of the next generation
Your videos are always exceptional, but that particular homophone is spelled “annals” not “annuls.” Hate to be a pedant but I figure you’ll use the word again and thought you might like the info.
Thought it was Sunday and imagine my disappointment 😅
could his nickname perhaps have a double-meaning? his supporters regard the Anvil with Respect while his enemies remember the Boulder.
How do you see The One True King's story playing out?
Winning the battle of ice, dying or sacrificing himself to the others shortly thereafter.
@@QuinnTheGM Based take
Something Im curious about is why Maekar was a terrible father. Aerion being a proto Joffrey and Daeron being a low ambition alcoholic. We dont have that much info on his daughters but it seems like the reason Aemon and Aegon didn't turn out bad was because they both left Kingslanding early on. Aemon got his morals through being a maester while Aegon of course was essentially raised by Dunk who was a good role model
Daeron is a low ambition alcoholic because of his prophetic dreams. Don't think there's much any father could do about that.
I hate the Peakes all my homies hate the Peakes
Just jealous of Peake Performance
@@QuinnTheGM most famous one name is literally Unwin which is a fancy name for Loser
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Meakar is also similar to meagor minus the brain damage
The alliance with Dorne was not formed by Maekars Grandfather. Aegon the 4th was his Grandfather, and he hated the Dornish. The alliance was made by his uncle Baelor and his Father.
I thought Baelor's nickname was "Break Spear" I've haven't heard him called "The Hammer "
He had two nicknames!
@@QuinnTheGM oh ok. I just never heard "The Hammer." Learn something every day.
I have no kind words to say regarding Daeron I The Young Dragon. He was a fool who like his brother after him played a role in extinguishing his own father's bloodline and exposing Westeros to the reign of the shitty Aegon IV and the Blackfyres
Is there a reason why every heir to the throne before Egg quickly died?
Some would bad luck. Others say it was the Three Eyed Raven or R’hollor manipulated the events so that TPTWP would come. Remember how The Wood Witch said from the bloodline of Aerys II and Rhaella would come TPTWP. The only way to get their descendants on the Throne was to get Egg on the Throne
When in doubt blame Bloodraven
Maekar was a 4th born son
As many people already pointed out Maekar was the 4th son and that’s a pretty major aspect of his character. The fact he’s a 4th son rather than “the spare” or 2nd son is incredibly significant as he never expected to rule. This means he wasn’t primed for leadership in the same ways other kings often were, which could be a positive or a negative depending how you look at it. Sorry if this comes off as rude but you should probably do a little more research beforehand if you’re going to made such a big mistake throughout the whole video (and I’m sure you put a ton of work into videos!! but it’s just kind of careless)
With the fickle nature of life, expecting a 2nd or 3rd son to not rule, seems like a serious case of putting all your eggs in one basket. History is littered with rulers that died ignobly of diarrhea, eating too much, and infections. Richard the Lionheart was too bold and a crossbow shot in the arm cause him to die of infection shortly afterwards
Its strange to think Stannis and Maekar are also related
Aerys the I was king before Maekar not him after Dearon
If maekar died that way he could have similarities to d’artagnam from 3 musketeers death
The first stannis baratheon is King Maegor "the just"
So, does this mean Stannis will also die to brick? Let's hope that's not the case. 🤞
Hosteen Frey has the intelligence of a brick, you see.
The difference is Stannis is a filthy kinslayer and Maekar really does his duty and nothing more.
Aerys I left the chat
This helps with my reincarnation theory. Maekar-Stannis. The mannis.
Maennis
another great vid. We were just in the LML steam and @GreyWasteTim gave you a shout out, so I posted a link to the channel. Hope you don't mind. cheers!
Facinating how both King Ares’ sucked for different reasons.
Actually, Maekar is younger than Ayers and became kings Ayers dies.
What you here in ireland for?
Vacationing for the first time in a few years!
@@QuinnTheGM awsome man enjoy!
Where are his other grandchildren? He had ton of grandchildren then poof, they aren't mentioned or seen ever again. It seems like a poor world buildings by George.
Regret for the responsibility of his brothers death? doesn't sound like Stannis.
I feel like Stannis is haunted by Renly a fair bit, most obviously in the scene discussing his peach.
@@QuinnTheGM he keeps it well hidden at the least
Lol let this be a lesson to discipline your kids, otherwise you might end up accidentally killing your brother in a fight for your useless kid.
Bro, Maekar was the fourth son, not the second son. You probably have not read the sources past the first book of Dunk and Egg, otherwise you wouldn’t have made such a big blunder. Like there is a brother Aerys I, who reigns after Daeron II and before Maekar I. It is during the reign of Aerys I that the next two stories of Dunk and Egg take place. Just fix up the video and post it back again.
Love the video but btw it is spelt “annals” not “annuls”