Winds of Winter Theory: Blackfyre’s Location
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- Hello everyone! Today I'm going over theories as to the current location of the sword Blackfyre in #asongoficeandfire. What do you think? Is there anything I missed? What do you think of #houseofthedragon so far? Be sure to leave a comment, as well as like the video and subscribe if you enjoy. More #asoiaf content is on the way!
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00:00 Valyrian steel
01:02 Blackfyre's history
02:10 The Unworthy
03:33 Blackfyre vanishes
04:13 Young Griff
05:03 Hints about Blackfyre
06:25 Blackfyre in Winds
07:14 Where is Blackfyre now?
08:39 Parallels in House of the Dragon
09:17 The Second Dance of the Dragons
10:28 The Conqueror's Crown
11:35 Blackfyre and Aegon's Crown - Zábava
"He wears the Conqueror's crown, wields the Conqueror's sword, has the Conqueror's name"
Otto deserves a section in every one of my videos, and I'm glad he got one here.
@@QuinnTheGMRhys Ifans might be the most underrated actor in HOTD, he completely embodied the role
@@fantasyhaven1 I agree bro. Paddy is extremely underrated as well. Didn't even realize paddy is the catholic priest in peaky blinders
@@fantasyhaven1 Ifans definitely killed it in his portrayal of Otto Hightower.
He was annointed by a septon of the faith, EVERY SYMBOL OF LEGITIMACY BELONGS TO HIM!!!
"Black or red, a dragon is still a dragon." - Illyrio Mopatis
Spoken like a Blackfyre
@@yseson_ Ironically the Blackfyres are probably more "Dragon" than the true Targaryen line. They fled to Essos and bred with other families of Valerian blood whereas we know the Targaryens did in fact marry and bred with Westrosi importantly the Martell's multiple times after the first Blackfyre rebellion meaning at least in Blood the Black Dragon is likely more "Dragon" than the Red.
Also daemon blackfyre is from pure Targaryen descent whereas viserys 2 kids are half lyseni
@@Vidacaangel1318 not to mention the Blackfyres seemed to go out of their way in their exile to wed families of Valyrian decent. I think this is why Meleys the monstrous has two heads I think the Blackfyres went to Mantarys which is an old Surviving Valerian city that they say the children are born sometimes with Grotesque mutations like 2 heads..
You're only a blackfyre if you think you are. Aegon doesn't think he's a blackfyre and if someone told him he was, his response would be, "no, I'm aegon the 6th"
Everyone ask where is Blackfyre, but nobody ask *how* is Blackfyre?
I’ll do you one better: *why* is Blackfyre?
@@diegonoriega3507you killed it lol
Personally I ask why blackfyre
Correction: Illyrio told Tyrion that Maelys the Monstrous's death was the end of the male line of House Blackfyre, not the female line.
Glidus said to me that blackfyre was actually a horse
The real horse is the friends we made along the way
@@QuinnTheGM please make a frey civil war vid
@@alfieingrouille1528 the Frey family drama is my favourite gossipy mess from ASOIAF
The Freys are just some clouds mistaken for a house
Blackfyre is more of a feeling you get, when you know you're the real heir than a tangible object
The Valyrian steel artifact I'm most excited to see, potentially, is that Valyrian steel battle axe House Celtigar has. I seen it suggested on another channel that Victarion Greyjoy could end up possessing it, and I think that'd be pretty badass if it happened.
It was the Grease Goblins channel for anyone interested. Wasn't sure how QtGM felt about subs mentioning other creators in the comments.
@@ashleyofnaath if you're promoting a smaller channel I'm sure he won't mind 😊
Have they tried looking under the Couch?
Behind the dryer
One theory I had with the burning of King's Landing is wildfire by Aegon. When Aegon takes kings landing, Jon Connington's grayscale starts to infect the city at the same time Daenerys marches on King's Landing. So when she starts the siege, Aegon and most of his army is gone (left before the battle due to grayscale outbreak), but when Daenerys breaches the wall Jon Connington would light off the wildfire burning King's Landing and some of Daenerys's army. And Daenerys would be blamed for it.
Definitely could go this way, especially considering JonCon’s Bell-related PTSD.
@@QuinnTheGM so Jon Connington would be a foil for the mad king?
Unlikely, most diseases come from pathogenic organisms which are not heat resistant, that is the reason why during a pandemic there are Countries where every corpse must be incinerated to minimize the spread of the disease. It is a largely known practice and done since the Plague in the Middle Ages, it is possible that GRRM knows that.
i was thinking that Dany would try and burn (f)aegon and in doing so would accidentally combust the whole city with the hidden wildfire though your theory is extremely interesting as well
I find it amusing, and its likely an intended irony by GRRM that the most famous sword in the whole setting not only has gone missing, but has also barely seen use its its long history. And the one group who did wield it and took their name from it, caused more trouble for the realm that anything since, and nearly all of them died doing so.
I once read a version of the Night-Lamp-Theory that Stannis will use Lightbringer to signal to his troops to fire catapults at the Freys as they cross the frozen lake. It would make for quite the parallel if Aegon rode out onto the Battle of Steel with Blackfyre at the same time that Stannis goes into the the Battle of Ice with his Valyrien steel sword.
I love that idea! I've thought about making a video about the Night Lamp for quite a while now, it's one of my favorite theories and there aren't really any videos dedicated to explaining it.
Lightbringer is explicitly not Valyrian steel.
Light bringer isn’t Valyrian steel still a cool idea though
As soon as you said Blackfyre is currently in Storm’s End I thought of Preston Jacobs saying “I can’t imagine why blackfyre would be there” in that exact Glidus video, so you can imagine my delight at the reference (Very Delighted).
I hope it ends up with young griff, it will be great for him to conquer king landing and be crowned with all the symbols of the king to fulfil Vary's dream of creating something out of nothing using symbols of power. Long live Aegon!
And then he dies of greyscale.
@@warlordofbritannia that's jon connington not young griff
@@dzevahirmujanovic4595
I know who I’m talking about
@@dzevahirmujanovic4595 Yes, it's a good job Greyscale isn't a communicable disease or anything.
@@johnpotts8308 Grey scale can be transmitted through touch or objects an infected person directly touched. Jon probably wears gloves and never touches something with his actual hand to keep from infecting everyone, I doubt George would give young Griff Grey scale he obviously has bigger plans for him
I think the secret to making Valyrian steel is forging regular steel with dragon fire. The dragon fire magically makes the steel lighter stronger and sharper.
Which brings me to the theory that the Iron Throne is made of Valyrian Steel. All of those swords were bathed repeatedly with dragon fire and even though the throne is hundreds of years old the edges are still sharp. How many times has it been mentioned in ASOIAF that a king or queen cuts themself on the throne? Regular steel would have gone dull by now just sitting there but Valyrian steel would have held it’s edge.
I guess what I’m getting at is if the people of Westeros get their heads out of their asses they can equip an army with Valyrian steel to fight the others when winter comes.
That would be sick af!
If dragon fire is responsible for the creation of Valyrian steel, the Iron Throne would only have a thin coating with the properties of Valyrian steel. This would also explain the many foldings of Valyrian blades.
I always thought it made sense that dragon fire was used in the pattern welding process like the dragon breathes fire on the steel between folding instead of it being put back into the forge to reheat or dragon fire was used in the tempering process after the steel was quenched or maybe dragon fire was needed to light the forges the Valyrian smiths used
It probably contains dragon glass too, that's why it drinks light.
Seems to me that Valyrian steel is steel forged and tempered in dragon fire, with obsidian put into it as an intentional impurity, like how Damascus steel was intentionally impure so that it would develop nanotubules in the blade and make it lighter and stronger. This would explain why it can kill walkers or wights, would explain why it’s sharper(heating up steel doesn’t necessarily make it sharper, but adding in the sharpest material we really know of would) and then the steel and obsidian kind of merge taking on properties of one another.
This seems the most likely explanation. Damascus steel with obsidian instead of wood impurities, and it has to be treated with dragon fire to melt the obsidian and steel together.
Blood(from a dragon or from a Targaryen or some other magical blood) is likely used as a binding agent between the obsidian and steel, or to cool the blade after tempering. It is also possible that dragon bone is integrated into the blade like or instead of the obsidian.
What do you guys think?
Problem with that idea is that would make Valyrian steel pretty easy to make, which seems inconsistent with the rest of the story. If dragon fire is all that's required to make Valyrian steel, why would the Targaryens only have a handful of Valyrian steel objects? Even if they lost the knowledge to make it, it makes no sense even minor dragonlords would have so little VS if dragon fire is all that's required. Additionally, it's said that Euron's VS armor would have cost a kingdom even in the days of the Valyrian Freehold, so it cannot be that easy to manufacture.
A different theory that I've heard is that the Blackfyre which was invited to join the Great Council which would eventually select Aegon V "The Unlikely", had brought Blackfyre with him as a symbol of legitimacy to use at the council, but when Bloodraven attacked him at the docks, had to quickly pass the sword off to someone who hid it in Kings Landing somewhere, potentially Rhaenys' Hill or Visenya's Hill as there's plenty of secret tunnels and caves in both.
Though honestly whilst the other one has an air of mysticism around it, it doesn't make as much sense as Illyrio having the sword. Especially if you believe the theory that Illyrio married the last female Blackfyre and that their kid is fAegon and that he promised her that he'd put their child on the throne of Westeros. So most likely the sword is in Storm's End waiting to be handed to Aegon VI.
I wish Blackfyre is with Aegon/Faegon and he is a Blackfyre, Dark Sister in the north with Bloodraven goes to Jon and the prophecy dagger ends up with Dany, then the 3 of them fullfill the prophecy and finally unite the Targaryens and Blackfyres, you get a dragon and you get a dragon, Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris, Daemon The Rogue Prince smiling up at them from hell!!
One point to remember that whether Blackfyre or Targaryen young Griff has Valyrian blood and one of the dragons may bond to him which along with having Blackfyre and the support of the Golden Company would give that faction an almost unassailable claim to the throne. The Golden Company will also after long service of battles in the East will have experience of dealing with Dothraki(it has exiled Dothraki members)for example having war elephants which terrify horses by their presence
There is so much symbolism in various swords throughout the series. I've seen theories that Jon will be the Ptwp wielding LongClaw, Dawn, or Blackfyre. While I would love to see these swords have bigger roles, and others like Lady Forlorn and Dark Sister, I think George lays these seeds associated with classical heroes and intentionally avoids them. Either way this was a great video, keep it up!
4:25 wasn’t it the male line that was extinct? So the idea is the Idea is that Young Grift is the son of a daughter of a Blackfyre
This was great. Loved the references to others and their theories and the fleshing out of your own thoughts around that. The HOTD was a GREAT call out. 🔥 (Dark Sister is with Bloodraven in his cave…)
I'm quite sure illyrio has it, or probably young Griff(his son) by now
I could see Illyria having it and planned to give it to Young Griff when he turned west after marrying Dany but that didn’t happen so maybe he’ll send it over. I could see Young Griff getting the sword and using in a battle for kings landing.
I know we aren't supposed to look to the show for theories but is it possible that Joncon knows Cersei will blow up the Sept (with Margery inside) through Varys and that's why he plans to meet the Tyrells in open combat, to convince them to march against Cersei for killing one of the Tyrell's most powerful and important members
Oh yes, have been waiting for that!
In fact the whole Dance of the Dragons seems like a great parallel to the main series, there are a lot of similarities including characters, plotlines, betrayals, etc.
I have a different theory about this Second Dance of Dragons. I think we’re not going to get a showdown between (f)Aegon and Dany-I find it far more thematically appropriate if Jon Con’s greyscale causes a plague that kills his surrogate son. As Dany’s army approaches and Young Griff breaths his last, Jon Con in his grief- and disease-addled madness causes the caches of wildfire to go off, a horrifying funeral pyre for his beloved King.
She has to slay him though
@@ashleycoburn9770
Slay, or indirectly be the cause of death of?
Presumably all this happens while besieging King’s Landing.
I think people are off on regards to the second dance remember Gourge said it doesn't mean danys invasion which implies she likely isn't even involved and remember she and faegon are not the only targaryens Jon will be revealed to be one himself and if anything hes more likely to fight faegon then dany is .
Great stuff, as usual! I too watched that Glimbo video you mention way too many times and I could basically hear that Alt Schwift imposter's voice in my head "Blackfyre is in Storm's End?" - cue disbelief. Then as much as now I didn't see what was so strange about that - good on you for taking action and finally developing this subdezvoltate theory. Also, make a video about Darksister pls! That's my drakthyr's name and it was shocking how few people (nerds) had ever heard about it.
You’re quickly becoming one of my favorite ice and fire CZcamsrs . Keep it up man!
would love a Dark Sister video from you. actually any video would be great. go crazy dude
Hey, lovvvvvvve the Blackfyre in Storms End theory! Also, Ariane giving F-Aegon the missing crown via Prince Dad.. love it!
I just realized, f is the sixth letter! For the Sixth Aegon!
Okay, digression aside, the crown... especially if Quentyn's escort report to Dad that Danny laughed "in scorn" at him, so Dorne throws in with Golden Co.! I love the implications, but I want Aegon and Dany to make peace.
Who knows, maybe prince that was promised could fall to Y Griff. . . I didn't explain that well.
Blackfyre being in Storm's End because it was recently brought there is plausible. But it definetly wasn't stashed inside there. The logistics therof make no sense
Very informative and great pacing, ill be a new sub brother
Excellent video, Quinn! It would definitely be a cool reminder of that excellent line from Otto in HOTD if Faegon manages to get Aegon the Conqueror's crown. One thing I hope that would happen as well is that whatever happens to Faegon in Winds, I hope somehow Dany gets Blackfyre. It would be cool to have an actual, true Targaryen wield that legendary sword again after 100 years of it being lost. It probably won't happen, but a fan can dream lol! :)
If the Martell's had Aegon's crown, would they not of given it to Daeron the Good when he married Mariah Martell or sometime after to counter Daemon having the sword Blackfyre? It's possibly it was not found until long after or in the hands of Blackfyre supporters like the Yronwoods perhaps.
4:58 Alt Shifts X's cameo was unexpected 😍
It is absolutely amazing that Glimbo's crackpot video resulted in this fantastic video.
9:45 - slight issue, in this case, if Young Griff is truly Aegon VI, then his claim is *far* superior to Daenerys's claim.
he didn't seem concentrated at all in this video. He also misspoke in the weirdest way on the blackfyre lines
Rhaegar and his descendants were disinherited by the mad king, so it really isn't.
@@catherine.marial There is likely nobody left in the Kingdom that would acknowledge the Mad King doing that if it meant a woman on the Iron Throne, nor is it likely that is even common knowledge.
@@dr0g_Oakblood Thankfully the opinion of the people in the seven kingdoms don’t matter, Dany has a strong claims and 3 dragons
Wasn't sure if I was clicking on a ASOIAF video or The Colour and The Shape, but either way it's a win
0:03 Qohor's smiths, at least some of them, still know how to make and manipulate Valyrian steel. Tywin calls some to King's Landing to reforge Ice into Widow's Wail and Oathkeeper.
i really want to see the follow up video on doark sister too!!
Could you get into the possible battles in twow if you haven't already (new to the channel) like the battle of steel and the outcomes that we may see for the battles of ice and blood. Thank you and great video
I’ve done a video about the Battle of Steel and the Battle of Blood! Both of those are on the channel and I do have plans for the other two battles.
I was hoping Ser Barristan would claim it on behalf of King Jahaerys after slaying Maelys Blackfyre.
fAegon has Blackfyre, Meera will get Dark Sister during whatever happens in the cave that cause Hodor to hold the door. Darkstar will steal and wield ‘Dawn’
Only extinct through the male line *not female
If the Blackfyres get the throne does that mean that Daenerys will lead Targaryen rebellions in Westeros?
I've always believed Aegon already has the conqueror's crown. It's said that he waers three large square cut rubies, which to me always pointed to depictions of the conqueror's circlet, which contains square cut rubies of an unknown amount.
Bro u smart as hell
Daemon Blackfyre should have been the rightful king because his mother was the rightful queen whose throne was usurped from her by her uncle (Aegon the Uhworthy's father) Viserys II. Of course, Viserys and Aegon being illuminate rulers means that Aegon should not have been able to legitimize Daemon, but I suspect Daena the Defiant would have legitimized him if she had been properly recognized as the ruling queen.
My personal belief has always been. Danny will have the dragons, Aegon will have the crown (from dorne) and Jon has Blackfyre (Longclaw is Blackfyre). The sword of legitimacy being accidentally returned to the rightful heir.
...how would that make sense? The Mormonts have owned Longclaw for five centuries. Are you trying to claim the real longclaw is somewhere hidden? If so, why not hide Blackfyre? We're told it's extremly easily recognizable. Which also would mean at least someone would have realized Mormont lugging about such a kingly artifact. And why even would it be at the Wall? Last we know, it was with the Golden Company. How would it wind up at the Wall? Did the Golden Company lose it during one of the rebellions and for some reason the sword wasn't brought to the current Targaryen king but instead up to the Wall because a Targaryen might wind up exiled up there? That's overly goofy.
@@bierwolf8360 I get it sounds a bit out there, this video explains it well czcams.com/video/al7Hf5wotpo/video.html. The crucks of it is that the Jeor is our only explanation for Longclaws history in the books, why does a house as poor and frankly irrelevant even have one to begin with (when you look at other known families they are rich, powerful or storied) and Blackfyre "even sheathed could be mistaken for no other" is true unless you change the pommel (which is exactly what was done when Jon first got it).
@@bruceswayn9628 dude, that's just plain wrong. Archmaester Thurgood's Inventories lists 227 Valyrian steel swords in Westeros. We don't know when the book is from, but Tyrion references it and suggests there are probably around 200 left. That's quite a few. And not everyone of those can be owned by a great house (especially since only three of the great(est) houses have been known to wield any (Targs, Starks and Lannisters) while the rest haven't). The impoverished Corbrays have one, the Harlaws and Drumms both have one, the goddamn Roxtons had one.
@@bierwolf8360 This is why is said "rich, powerful or storied". And yes it's not impossible but just to counter on the examples you gave. Harlaw and Drumm are Ironborn so it's reasonable to assume they stole there's from someone else (like the common belief Red Rain was originally house Rayne's), Corbrays are poor in the current time of the story but their house dates back to the Andal invasion and has has great heros. Finally, Roxtons are an odd one but they are a family from the Reach and I think any house (even minor ones) from the Reach or Westerlands could be given the benefit of the doubt that at some point in there histories they had enough wealth to acquire one.
“I wish you good fortune in the wars to come”
Fun Detail: When Daeron I goes to Dorne to try and conquer it he dies with the sword and the crown. However, the family only retries Blackfyre, but not the crown. Where is the crown?
I have it 😈
I’m guessing Dorne were holding onto it for Elia’s son’s coronation. Surprise surprise, guess who allegedly emerges.
@@afnanbogey ...over almost two centuries? Ooookay
@@bierwolf8360 Dorne held it until they had a political reason to viably use it. Elia’s son being king would make a worthy moment, no? Shame he’s a Blackfyre 😂
great
Darksister video please! For me, Longclaw is Darksister, that has been passed from lord commander to lord commander of the NW since Bloodraven.
That’s incorrect-Jeor mentions how his son left Longclaw behind when fleeing into exile
@@warlordofbritannia Sure, but it might be a cover up. Lysa tells everyone the Lannisters killed Jon Arryn after all...
@@aaronabarca4919
I’m pretty sure Jorah also says so to Dany
@@warlordofbritannia Oh sorry, I didn't remember. I have more doubts now hahaha
@@aaronabarca4919 it at least makes more sense than Longclaw being Blackfyre. That's just insane.
I swear, I thought I heard somewhere about one of the Blackfyres leaving their eponymous sword behind before making their claim at the Great Council that crowed Egg.
Anyone know what I’m talking about?
Hey I’m sure it was already said in the comments. But the Blackfyre line is extinct in the male line not the female.
Having Blackfyre would not be as much an indication that he is a Targaryen as that he’s a Blackfyre.
To the reader? Absolutely. To the common Westerosi citizen? It’s much more associated with legitimate Targaryen kings.
@@QuinnTheGM When is the last time it was associated with a Targaryen king?
Random question but what other ASoIaF CZcamsrs do you watch? Any recommendations?
Personally some favorites include Glidus, Alt Shift X, and Preston Jacobs (though personally I don't buy that Quentyn is alive). Fantasy Haven is another up-and-coming channel as well! There are a TON more that I could also mention here but I don't want this comment to be super long lol
David Lightbringer has so much amazing content
I think valyrian steel is made from obsidian/dragonglass and iron with the obsidian acting as the carbon inpurity instead for regular steel. Maybe because obsidian is famously brittle it was required to layer it with less brittle steel. Nothing is quite sharp like valyrian steel and obsidian can fracture down to 500 times sharper than steel
Though I like Blackfyre, I prefer Dark Sister because it would be more versatile and better in combat.
IMO. Aegon IV though i may not be a great King but my sons would be, Daeron as the King and Daemon as his enforcer and with the help of his other brothers Argors as military strategist council and with Bryde. As the Master of Whispers the realms would be ties together.
Bryden: that i allow brother against brother??? At once dad
Aegor: that i put my two brothers against each other and so take the powers to me and put a puppet as king hell yes!
If you like X's Varys video, Kevin Pendragon here on youtube does an even better one (imo) I would highly highly recommend it.
Im currently doing research on a Blackfyre/Varys/Illyrio video so that lead me here XD
What about Dark Sister??
I'm confused when you say Blackfyre is "in Storm's end held by Aegon", when Aegon isn't in Storm's End, he's in Griffin's Roost at the end of Dance, planning to take Storm's End. Did you mean to say Griffin's Roost? I'm not familiar with the spoiled Winds chapters.
I did not, as referenced in the video, the officially released Winds Arianne sample chapters give us updates on Aegon’s progress since the end of Dance.
Better question would be Where is Winds of Winter ?
The sword and the crown were the other to items haldon hinted
i haven't read the books my theory is the pro Targaryen faction lead by Varys have many plans going at once, young giff is one plan and Daenerys other plan. each have a symbols of Targaryen Daenerys have dragons and young giff have the sword. The end game to have both marry each other to stop a civil war.
4:22 I think you misspoke, Illyrio Mopatis said that the Blackfyres were only extinct in the *male* line, hinting at the female one having survived
I did misspeak
@@QuinnTheGM I stumbled upon your channel a couple days ago and gotta say your doing a good job :)
Your videos look pretty good & are oddly relaxing, lol
❤
If the Martells had Daeron's crown surely it would have been given along with Elia or one of the much earlier Targaryen-Martell marriages, no?
My thought is that they might’ve been saving it for Rhaegar’s coronation, given that Aerys was pretty obviously crazy and awful.
@@QuinnTheGM oh very nice, yep, makes sense :)
Bran could also ask Brynden Rivers where he has hidden Dark Sister.
Did anyone found Dark Sister after Daemon's and Aemond's clash,it should be somewhere arround God's eye teritory
@4:25 you say that Illyrio said that the Blackfyre line is only extinct in the female line. But it is actually the male line that is extinct
I could b wrong but I thought the last known holder of blackfyre was Brendyn rivers. Could b dark sister ig but I was pretty sure he took blackfyre to the wall with him
That was Dark Sister.
@@QuinnTheGM as soon as I finished my sentence I realized my foolishness:/
I actually think Aegon is the real deal and will win the throne for a time, maybe die shorty after or something. Jon being Aegon the seventh would be super significant especially if he ends up with blackfyre
Quaithe also warned about a mummers dragon
Blackfrye is inside us all
Hot take: It is totally possible that Illyrio Mopatis of all people is simply lying about the blackfyres being dead in the male line.
I know this has nothing to do with the video but I hope Jon's Targ name is Daemon.
me too! too many aegons, and jon is a wildcard in the targaryen conflict so it would be fitting
When FAegon gets to the throne, Dany crosses the sea. I'm sure stannis will shatter his teeth
Dany doesn’t have a Dothraki horde, more like an army of eunuch’s, and three young dragons.
My thought is that she likely will following the end of ADWD
Aegor hidden the damn sword Gods knows where...!
When and where did G.R.R Martin state that there would be a 2nd Dance of the Dragons? Is this some blog-post stuff?
How would there be a 2nd Dance? With what dragons?
2 dragons fighting each other (with what reason?!) is a clash at best, never a dance.
It’s interesting that there are no mentions of Maelys the monstrous using Blackfyre during the war of nine Penny kings, why wouldn’t he use it and since he didn’t then who had blackfyre and when did they receive it
See I imagine that Maelys lost favor with whoever was backing the Blackfyres (like Illyrio is now) by killing both his heir and his cousin.
@@QuinnTheGM very possible but who would have the authority to retain blackfyre, the only way I see it is if Bittersteel made one of his captains swear to hold onto it till a worthy blackfyre came about, sort of his house Dayne is with Dawn, but then that captain died and it eventually went to Ilyrio
@@billychops1280 Bittersteel fought in three Blackfyre rebellions but withheld his blessing, the support of the Golden Company and Blackfyre from the Second. Bittersteel himself presented precedence of not supporting a given Blackfyre. The Golden Company didn't seem to vibe with Maelys either.
The Blackfyre family tree is, after the third generation, pretty much unkown but the only confirmed, named female Blackfyre is Calla Blackfyre, daughter of Daemon I and coincidentally married to Bittersteel. That's obviously no proof but maybe the lost female line is actually Bittersteel's line and the Golden Company got a bit of the male line claimants...
@@bierwolf8360 I know all this but no the true heir was Daemon and he was the cousin Maëlys killed to lead the golden company, and that’s why they didn’t like Maëlys as much, cuz he was a kinslayer, also it’s not possible for Cala’s line to be the one that the blackfyre continued from because Cala’s children would be Rivers or Steels, since their father would give them his name and also they would be born way too early for the timeline to work out, the female line was most likely Daemon sister or daughter (the Daemon Maëlys killed) since any other would be too old to produce children by the time the Roberts rebellion started which is when Faegon was born
Do you think that the black fish took Jane Westerling and Jane that Jimmy saw it's fake, and maybe the real Jane Westerling is pregnant, and maybe she's carrying a son. Do you think Melisandra will try to burn Robb Stark's baby, but Jon will stand up to Stannis? Please make a video about it 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
My first video about the ASOIAF books was a theory on exactly that, it’s called the Heir to the North and you can find it on my channel!
@@QuinnTheGM 😑 Are you kidding me really Ok Thanks
Didn’t George say and admit he made a mistake with her description and has confirmed that girl is Jeyne? I could be wrong.
@@ahmedj1254 hey are you serious
Why did he give the eggs to Dany
4:25 i think you meant to say "only extinct in the male line" meaning that Daemon's female descendants could have had Aegon instead of one of his male descendants having him with some other woman
I did mean to say that, thanks!
@@QuinnTheGM if you want, you could post a comment with a correction with that timestamp and pin it
If Illierio has a sword it more likely blackfyre Bc dark sister is in the north
Team Blackfyre 🙋♂
You know when you say that young griff is a blackfyre impersonating a targarian. Am I right in thinking that they are blood wise both targarian and differ only in name?
Blackfyres are descended from a bastard line instead of legitimate but yes both are descendants of Aegon the conqueror
@@scoliosis9478 thanks
I swear the crown got melted down into a sword. look it up on the wiki.
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Still, I think it is this longclaw in the books.
@4:28 only extinct in the male line, not female.
@4:56 why would a false dragon mean a Blackfyre? They're equally descended from dragonlords.
@9:46 no, if Aegon is a Targaryen, he has the better claim in any case. If he is a Blackfyre, that's just the normal debate then (#teamBlackfyre!)
Apart from that, the video was fine. The crown part was neat and makes sense. Not to say it's a given, but it's plausible.
I think Jon has dark sister
Blackfyre is actually the opposite of a symbol of legitimacy, as is the Golden Company.
Blackfyre is longclaw. Ain’t no way a Valyrian steel sword just ends up all the way in bear island
I'm more interested in Dark Sister
I hope that Aegon is real. It would make no sense for Varys to lie to a dying man. Why not state it as it is if Aegon was not the real Aegon? Kevan was not going to tell anybody anyway.
What if Blackfyre isn't in possession of the Golden Company? The drafted Chapter for Tyrion where Illyrio mentions the gifts for Young Griff was cut out for a reason. I think GRRM changed his mind about Blackfyre being in the possession of Illyrio. It is quite interesting that both Swords that were in the possession of the Targaryen Family disappeared when Bloodraven was the last one to see them.
Bittersteel came back during the 3rd Blackfyre-Rebellion with Haegon I. Who surrendered and gave up his Sword, before he was dishonourably killed. I think that Sword was the Bastard-Sword Blackfyre, we also have another Valyrian-Bastard-Sword called Longclaw at the Wall.
Where were the Mormonts during that Blackfyre-Rebellion?
I mean a poor (because Bear Island has not had a lot of resources) and small House, that can trace its Ancestors to the First Man and show a fighting woman with a Child at her Breast, not with a family bastard Sword but with an Axe at the Gate to their Hall, has a Valyrian-Steel Sword? That thing was most likely stolen or "found" on a Battlefield. And the Mormonts changed the hilt and put the Bear pommel on it and claimed to have it for 500 years. No one can say otherwise when it was rarely used outside the Family until no one knew any better and just accepted that the poor Mormonts came to its possession somehow.
In the Text, we have few to no descriptions of Blackfyre, only that no one could have mistaken it for another Sword and that it is a Bastard Sword. And that Aegon rarely used it and preferred to use Balerion the Dread.
I think GRRM wanted to avoid the Blackfyre-Connection because he wanted to be vague with Aegons Backstory because that would be more interesting, he was right, look at all the Discussions about that small Character.
Btw we only have an answer from GRRM from 2018 to a Fan that Brynden took Dark Sister with him to the Wall, okay ADWD came out in 2011, but GRRM left this part of the Draft out for a Reason, most likely to avoid Connections between Aegon and the Blackfyres. So the Answer from GRRM doesn't mean that Illyrio has Blackfyre. It just means that in this Draft there is a Sword, most likely a Valyrian Steel Sword, that can be said to be Blackfyre because no one knows what Blackfyre looks like.
I think a Mormont "found" Blackfyre on the Battlefield (or they took it and hide it away when Haegon gave it up), took it with him/her to Bear Island, changed the appearance of the hilt and the Pommel and only showed up with it a hundred years later when no one knew what Blackfyre looked like.
Otherwise, please explain to me how a small and poor House like the Mormonts of Bear Island came into the possession of a Valyrian Steel Sword?
I wanted to add that I always thought that it was odd that the Mormonts had a Valyrian Steel Sword, when it's lack of funds to buy such a thing is stated again and again. Valyrian Steel was never cheap. So it was always clear to me that the Mormonts didn't buy that thing. The idea that it could be Blackfyre comes from the CZcamsr Bridge 4, but I like that idea, I mean every Family has a Black Sheep or two ;)
according to Tyrion there are "thousands in known world, hundreds in Westeros alone" and archmaester Thurgood's Inventories lists 227 blades in Westeros (some have been lost, but most are still around). There aren't hundreds of great houses though and few of them wield valyrian steel. However, several "minor" houses own (or did own) valyrian steel: Corbrays, Roxtons, Harlaw, etc. So that point is pretty moot. Purely conjecture. Combined with the fact is requires the Mormonts to have lied, it's plain unlikely. Not to mention that it's never been mentionend that Haegon wielded Blackfyre himself instead of Aegor doing it. Aegor remains the last known wielder and died in Essos.
Lastly, there are without a doubt many descriptions of Blackfyre within books within ASOIAF. It's not like people would just leave out this detail. It's silly. We don't know what it would look like, but the people of Westeros, or at least those semi-educated would.
PS: "took it with him/her to Bear Island" made me puke.
@@bierwolf8360 First: Women on Bear Island learn to fight, so a Mormont Woman can join the War against the Blackfyres. That's the reason I used both sexes, so no reason to puke because of that. If you want to say that People would recognize a Woman in Disguise, please, no one realized Brienne is a Woman until she revealed herself. We are talking about a world where Men need to check their sexual characteristics to distinguish Women from Men. Although there a more than enough hints to differentiate a woman from a Man without checking for visual sexual Characteristics.
Second: People can lie even if they are known as members of honourable and honest Houses/Families. Which we learned through the Books, I mean if not, you have to believe Eddard Stark impregnated a woman named Wylla during Roberts's Rebellion and came back home with their Son. And by the way there is a black Sheep in every Family.
Third: GRRM adds things and deletes Things from his Book, sometimes he changes his Mind, as it is the fact in this Chapter where that Sword is mentioned. Just because no one ever mentioned it, doesn't mean that Longclaw isn't Blackfyre, we don't know enough about Blackfyre. And neither does anyone at the Wall, the only one who could say if it is Blackfyre or not is Aemon and he is blind. Same for those who fought with Jorah during Robert's Rebellion, every semi-educated Person who was a Maester was busy taking care of the injured and because Longclaw is Valyrian Steel, no Smith would have seen it. And even if someone saw Longclaw, just like you no one would even think it was Blackfyre because it was the Family Sword of House Mormont. After all, Jorah said it is. I mean he is from House Mormont and from the North, these People are terrible Liars as we know. People see what they want to see or what they are told to see, Because People from House Mormont said it was their Sword, but no one saw Blackfyre. Because no one ever searched for Blackfyre nobody even assumed it was Blackfyre because clearly that is lost over in Essos, because no one of House Targaryen during the 3rd Blackfyre-Rebellion wanted to admit that they still didn't reclaim their ancestral Valyrian Steel Sword although they captured the last known Owner of that Sword.
One Fact remains until now GRRM only answered one Fan-Question and that was about the Location of Dark Sister, everything else and that means both our Theories are only that Speculation & Theories. Canon is nothing, only what GRRM will write into his Books.
@@bierwolf8360 lmao tf is your last line. If that makes you puke, you sound like a snowflake.
It's up my arse and I won't give it back!!!
The Blackfyre stuff is a giant red herring. The story is more interesting if he’s legit
Winds of winter may give the answers. Every Blackfyre was defeated by targaryns. Daenerys and Jon Snow the real targaryns will join and defeated the others. Bloodraven aka three eyed raven is still watching the kingdom with his Dark Sister. He will give it to Dany . Dance of the dragons was a fight between Blackfyre and Dark Sister.
I didn't like the House of the Dragon design for Blackfyre. I was hoping we could get a new design for it for another adaptation.
Honestly I kinda like it. Feels not-the-most functional, more ceremonial, which fits this sword in particular.
@@QuinnTheGM Eh. I had wanted a battle ready Targaryen sword. All the other houses weapons can be used in battle. Even ice could potentially be used. And its a great sword. Remarkable Valerian Steel is lighter than regular metal