The Giannis MVP Problem, Explained..
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- čas přidán 12. 03. 2024
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The disrespect of Giannis is criminal.
He has a top 75 teammate
@@nikobellic2515 you could say that but giannis is avg 30 11 6 on 61% fg wtf
Giannis doesn’t let the media control him and jokic does 🤣 that’s all it takes to be MVP
Anytime two of the top 12 players in the league team up one of the two is going to get hurt in the MVP race. When Steph and kd played together each lost some MVP votes. I think it's only fair that after adding a guard who averaged 32 pts the year prior, Giannis is not regarded as the most valuable player.
@@johnbarkley925 not even just this season bro
Last year Giannis became the first 30ppg+ scorer on a team with the best record in the entire league not to win MVP. He was robbed of his third MVP last year. Like Shaq said, the criteria for MVP changes every year to fit certain narratives.
Regardless, great video, despite all the struggles in the bucks this season, from coaches to players, Giannis has been the only bright spot in the team. Being the most consistent, putting up the first ever 30ppg on 60+%FG in the history of the league to carry the team in the top 3 of the conference. Definitely deserves MVP nod this year.
Not to mention, elite defense as well, unlike other candidates besides SGA
@@invictatewahedo8595damn..despite all this, it feels like he is underrated in these discussions, atleast in online discourse
Yeah with every year that passes, it seems like the media narrative plays the biggest role in who wins, and even the T.V pundits change their criteria and rating system from year to year, some years it's team wins, others it's individual stats. But yeah it feels like Giannis is underrated in these discussions fr. I mean recently I seem Tatum getting discussed more than him
Funny, the narrative last year was that teams who can't win finals shouldn't get mvps for their players. And then jokic went and dropped the most dominant post season in history.
last year they said it was because his efficiency was down, and now he has a historic fg%, and they completely ignore it. so bias it's unbelievable.
30-11-6 on 60% is insane. One of the most efficient seasons ever and is not even talked about
Jokic lost the mvp with 24.5/11/9.8 on 70% true shooting. Voters really don’t care about efficiency
@@cyruswang9354 ngl this season is too stacked lol let's see who win the mvp
Big media pisses meoff man. Bucks was the first seed last year and Giannis was very good but never gave himany love.
He should be well in the mix. People are numb to him. It's disgusting the media is ignoring him
he became a primadonna lately.
Firing coach and stuff 🤣
Media always looking for new stories. The fact that some people have Doncic third is ridiculous even though Dallas sucks and is hovering in the Play-In. It's like in 2021 when Curry got third over Giannis despite the Warriors being an EIGTH SEED.
You just want him to be drama so you have something to hate. Pure projection. Seek help
The disrespect for Giannis is mind boggling...his humility works against him sometimes, but Karma is real!!!MVP!!!!
This year, Jokic will win it. But if Giannis wins a chip this year, it would make a clear statement.
Shouldn’t be Jokic, but it will be.
Whoever finishes 1 seed in the west will win it
This
He won’t
@@BestShootermanUbznope, jokic is mvp, they are not giving the mvp to shai just for him to lose to the lakers in the first round, embiid make them fools last year, they are not repeating the same mistake
Imma be controversial here, Gianni’s should have 4 mvps and jokic 1
Hahahah cope
@@jasonmaguire7552 how old are you ?
100% agree. Jokic deserved his first one but Giannis should have had the last 2. A 6th seed winning the award is criminal
@danielbaratta513 Bucks won only 3 more games than Denver that year. West was just tougher seeding wise. But the record was nearly the same. Blame voters for fatigue.
Nope. Not controversial at all. I 100% agree.
This is exactly what Giannis meant by “I’m tired of the disrespect” he’s having one of the greatest seasons of his career, putting up insane stat-lines, and gets ignored all because his team is doing bad (or not living up to the standards they were supposed to)and think all these other players have a better narrative. To me he’s still one of the best players that’s on the court, one of the best defensive players to touch the court, and his team is still doing really amazing
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Great vid! And the whole mini-series too!
Amazing video as always, those stats are unreal and you do such a good job putting them into context. However, I completely agree, Jokic and Shai just have better cases this season, and I believe it’s in large part due to the presence of Dame. Even though he’s not having quite as good a season by his standards, he’s just simply a caliber of player that Jokic or Shai don’t have anyone close to
Giannis has lead The Bucks to have the most regular season wins over the last 5 seasons. I only say that because there was a point where NBA voters went on TV and said they wouldn't give him more MVPS without winning a Finals , I think He was Robbed the year he won the finals because of that narrative , this should have been the make up year but it wont be because he isn't playing for it and he is dealing with an ankle injury that there going to be very careful with .
MVP is becoming such an narrative award at this point its laughable
yes it has truly become a narrative award. To be named an MVP is always going to be an honor that shows how the league VIEWED a player but basketball fans are definitely realizing it won't actually mean as much as it did before if there are no criteria guidelines for it.
Looking at history, voters prefers playmakers than bully ball dominant players
That's how Shaq lost twice in a row to Nash (fucking Nash LMAO 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣)
I’m thinking the same thing LOL
TWICE 🤣🤣🤣
Giannis is an incredible playmaker and passer. He can pass while sprinting. Pass through numerous defenders. His passing ability is a sight to see. Go watch some highlights
@@elizaschaeffer34 I agree with you. And he keeps improving year after year.
Though to my point, there's a big gap between his playmaking and Jokic's playmaking. And his style, even though I love watching it and requires a lot of skill to be able to finish as he does, is more oriented bully ball, using his strength and speed to overwhelm defenses. Which is not as Jokic, which looks like defense manipulation, and using what opens up.
I honestly just love watching beautiful basketball in many different forms and enjoy a lot of players. I do think the voters have a bias for Jokic. Maybe because it looks maybe more relatable to them ? Like, Jokic was a fat kid who happens to have a brain for basketball (and he got fit and learned more and more). As for Giannis, if you don't have his physical ability, no way you can replicate that.
To your point, Giannis improvement in playmaking is probably overlooked
Sorry for the big read
@@emmanuelcoquet6257 so i can tell you don’t watch many bucks games by this statement alone “there’s a big gap between his playmaking and jokics” -there is not. Watch the games. Go and look at passing stats. Giannis creates 18 points a game through playmaking. In addition to his 31.
Giannis also creates his own points whereas Jokic plays mainly off of assists.
Giannis has reduced bully ball, but can certainly engage with the best when needed. This season he is finishing with more finesse around 3-6 feet out & more post ups.
Watch Giannis. It isn’t all bully ball. He has quite a repertoire of highly efficient shots.
Giannis has his physical ability because he earned it. Maintaining your body and developing your body to peak physicality is a skill.
As Gianni’s has been playing with tendinitis for several games, we’ve seen a lot of what Giannis would look like when he slows down with age. Lots of midrange, post up, some 3s, and tons of facilitating.
@@emmanuelcoquet6257Spot on
Jokic is kissed in the race, by default Giannis can’t win it. All good tho, He will go for the Finals MVP
Kissed? What does that mean, like do you mean jokic already has it locked?
He literally didn't get the MVP last year purely based on race. This victim crap don't work anymore mate been the opposite for about ten years now, man TF up 😂
Jokic is just better than the entire league right now.
@@twuandixon8675voters fatigue exists for Giannis but not him? He almost won 3 straight last year. When he wins his 3rd this year, will voters fatigue exists for him next season or it only applies to Giannis? Hence why I say Jokic is kissed in the race
@@T1Oraclebeing the best player in the league doesn’t always mean your the mvp. Also if he’s the best player, that’s your opinion. All subjective
Giannis also have the highest EFG% for a 30 point scorer. The second highest is Steph's unanimous mvp season.
Also Giannis has outplayed many Mvp contenders this season.
And for the "Brook is the anchor on defense" look at the bucks last two games against the suns and the celtics where Giannis sat and how much they struggled defensively.
I dont see Giannis winning another mvp,media hate is bad even the two he won they tried hard to derail him!sometimes it becomes monotonous their crap
Among all of these things. The most under appreciated thing about his game his his gravity. I mean only Steph curry the words greatest shooter brings more attentions to him. None of these other guys have gravity like Giannis
Entertainment is for fast burn heros 🎉 Giannis is on his legacy
Don't get me wrong, I love Shai and Luka, but ain't no way in hell they should have higher odds than Giannis to win MVP. I don't understand why casuals who don't watch the games get to vote for MVP.
Sga doesnt have any chance of becoming mvp lmao. Its between giannis and jokic but tbh we know jokic already won it
anyone in the top 3 has a chance
Depends on final records, personally I'd say Tatum would be MVP if his team wasn't so stacked.
@@bitcoinethereum9702Tatum really? Based on what?
Giannis and Jokic are already two of the best players to ever play (Top 30 at worst) and they're still in their prime. The list of guys who've won 2 MVPs is only 15 players. If you include the Finals and Finals MVP it's like 10. And they're both in their prime so SGA being considered in the Top 3 (most have him second) is quite impressive.
@@bitcoinethereum9702if his team wasn’t stacked he wouldn’t have that record
I remember when MVP meant the best player in the league. Why not have an algoprithm with set number of stats parameters and have it select the MVP purely from stats.
the only thing you are lefting out when compairing to earlier years, is the change in rules in NBA that now gives HUGE advantage to shooter as any kind of defense is now considered a "FOUL" SMH
Stopped listening about defense when he brought up brook lopez
Thanks
Were in a day and age where we have to reanalyze how we look at the game of basketball itll never be able to be compared to what it used to be football still the same sport relatively similar enough schemes now NBA we went from 90 to 95 final scores to 130 to 120 being a final score with no overtime bench players used to need to score 8 points a night to keep a job now 8 points a night you might not see the court for a few weeks we need 15 points a night from those role players now those stars that drop 25 points that can lead you to a win thats over you need 35+ to will your team to a victory and even then the other team might just jack up so many 3s that you cant win anyway
Saying giannis doesnt have to do much on defence because he has brook lopez is like saying jokic doesnt have to score as much because he has jamal & mpj 😂 kinda overlooking giannis' defence a little bit imo but tbf you did say hes still the best defender out of the 4
Lmao Lopez literally getting cooked with no Giannis on the floor he aint watching games if had to guess he just looking at BS and the other big stats
Giannis covers a ton of ground as weakside free-safety. I've seen almost all of the Bucks' games this year, and he is "taking it easy" on some possessions, i.e. he's not sprinting out to the 3pt line as fast as he normally would, he's not going for every single block. He's playing at about 80% on defense and his pick-and-roll defense is still ELITE. There's a reason why teams go after Brook Lopez on the PNR, because he drops low to protect the rim and give up jump shots. Giannis is saving himself for more offense because Lillard has been inefficient, and Middleton has been missing for two months, and besides he and Dame, the Bucks have no one else who's good at creating for themselves. Hence why his assist numbers have been excellent (and efficiency).
I feel like the first argument could be irrelevant since Luka could average a triple so 30-10-10 so it could be better but less effective tho but the TS is actually rly insane
Mvp should be a yearly battle of Gianni's and Embiid. They are the two be players in the league.
There can be only 1, #34 2-way relentless killer 💯
Giannis has 60 pt games. couple 50 point games. The definition of consistency. Hard working. Loyal. two way player. Dominant. Exciting scorer. Growing bag/skill set. He's the MVP
Betting odds suggest it’s all but over and it’s Jokic’s. Tough.
With success comes scrutiny! Giannis, needs more chips in order to silence the critics. Jordan, had too..💯
Agreed
Does that mean Joker does too?
Adrian Dantly!? Who!? Why haven’t I heard of this guy before? NO ONE talks about this guy and he was THAT good!??
Adrian Dantley averaged over 30PPG on over 55FG% for a span of 5 consecutive seasons. He was comparable to Kevin Durant during the early 80s.
Severely underrated his sports reference page is wild for a guy that doesn’t get mentioned
Yeah I don’t think he’s gonna win but he’s been amazing this year. Hopefully the team steps up in the playoffs
he won't. But he deserves way more recognition
The only reason Giannis isn’t MVP every year is because he plays in Milwaukee and the media set Giannis up to leave and he didn’t and he doesn’t play into their games like jokic,Shai and Embiid btw the fact he has the best offensive stats out of all of them and the best defensive stats out of all of them and has the best clutch percentages is gonna be the biggest robbery we’ve seen in 20 years when we forget about jokic n Giannis has 2 more titles
I still would consider Luka for MVP, as you can make similar arguments (comparing his pace & stat line vs historic numbers) for him as well.
Team success hurts, but even Jokic won MVP leading the 6th seeded team in 2022. At this point, it feels like Luka has set the bar so high for himself, that media & fans just shrug it off.
Averaging 34.7 ppg / 9.8 assists / 9.0 rebounds on 62%+ true shooting as PG (and not as a C or someone who gets the majority of buckets underneath the rim) is crazy. Nobody would ever suggest the Mavericks have a roster anywhere as talented as Shai in OKC or Giannis in Milwaukee, yet they still penalize him for not having similar success.
All that being said, I'd still put Giannis & Jokic above Luka right now. But if Luka doesn't win MVP this year, I'm not sure he'll ever be able to do enough in the eyes of sports media.
This was just my case for Giannis! I kinda did it in a style where I was steel manning the argument for each video.
Check out my Luka video! I bring up a lot of that and agree with you.
I do think it’s Luka’s if they get the 5 seed pretty easily tbh.
Jokic only had that narrative he was missing Murray and MPJ all year. Westbrook avg a triple double. Luka has missed Kyrie for a couple of games but still has had his team for most of the year and he’s barely the 8th seed .
I've said it before and will say it again, if we go by stats I don't understand how it isn't Jokic or Giannis we are deciding between. I thought the Embiid win last year was stupid. I think the idea that SGA might win it this year is stupid. Giannis and Jokic have never been better and they deserve that recognition. I hope it is a Nuggets vs Bucks final and that way one of them will at least get finals MVP.
Giannis plays both ends aswell
I'm sorry but there's no way Jokic is not the deserved winner of the MVP this season
Its Joker/Shai/Giannis then Luka then the rest
When did mvp start to use darko and lebron😂😂
Buck still fucked up with a coaching they should have stick with their Old Coach like Giannis was injured how was that a coach's fault I'm Denver Nuggets fan I'm glad we have a coach Mike Michael Malone
This is a “two horse race” is what media been pushing all season long! When asked why SGA or Jokic over Giannis, they bring up bullshit his coach getting fired. Its been a lock for Jokic for whatever reason.
Giannis gonna get that MVP and finals MVP let’s go!
In your ps5 for sure
At this point you can only say Giannis is not the MVP if you have “Giannis fatigue,” but in that case then you should def have “Jokic fatigue” and give it to SGA. If they really give it to the inferior Jokic and let him get 3 before Giannis then that’s just criminal and it’s cus they know he is better than LeBron has ever been but they want to have the “new Jordan” in LeBron so they (the media) can’t allow for Giannis to get the trophies and accolades to make that undeniable.
Inferior jokic lolololololol hahHaa boy shut a f up
The NBA chooses new MVP to make fans happy and to make the nba look fresh and new. Who wants the true MVP to win 10 times for example. NBA is a business and is no longer a game, choosing Giannis 4x MVP yearly is boring for the business hence choosing joker and embiid. rightfully Giannis is the best player in this league.
The media decided Jokic is the MVP before the season even started. he’s had a great season, but Giannis has been better. Giannis has faced more adversity. Giannis never got the adoration that Jokic is getting.
Giannis is a better rim attacker and shot blocker. Jokic is better at post game, shooting, half court scoring, rebounding, screening, playmaking, passing overall, basketballI IQ, clutchness, floor raising and difficulty to scheme against in a playoff setting.
Giannis' transition prowess is always diminished in a playoff half court setting.
2019 they were upset as the 1st seed by the Raptors and outplayed by Kawhi.
2020 They were upset as the 1st seed by the Heat and Giannis was the fourth best player in the series (behind Jimmy, Bam, Kris and arguably also Brook).
2023 They were upset as the 1st seed by the Heat and Giannis was thoroughly outplayed by Jimmy Butler (who averaged 39 pts) whom he refused to guard.
In 2021, when they son the championship, the five best teams in the league at full health were out of contention ( Nets, Warriors, Nuggets, Lakers, Clippers). Giannis declared Kd the best player in the world after their game 7 matchup.
As it currently stands I have Giannis as a top 3 player in the league but nowhere close to Jokic.
@@johnbarkley925 not reading all that
@@andrewschulte3024 cause your basketball IQ is limited.
@@andrewschulte3024because truth hurts
@@johnbarkley925Just because a certain player is better at specific skills than another does not mean they are better NBA players. Jokic has far and away the better supporting cast. You can’t compare the two because they don’t play in identical situations.
To a degree I dont get pinning the MVP to team success, I would have Luka for MVP and Giannis second, the Thunder and Denver have some of the best overall rosters in the NBA, Luka has a team full of underachievers currently in 6th seed while putting up monster stats, with Giannis, his defense contributes so much to team success, without him on the floor they are one of the worst teams in the nba defensively, and without him this team would not make it out the first round, I dont see that with the Thunder much less with Denver
Denver have no allstars, barely 1 player in top 20 and 2 barely top 40-50 players hahaha how is that superteam, put any other center on that team and they are perrenial play in team and sometimes 2nd round team. Jokic makes all of them insanely better
I totally get that. Just trying to use historical precedence
God I hope Sga wins mvp
He will not be even 2nd
@@Peca-sz6yt by what logic lol you ain’t a mvp voter
GIANNIS ANTETOKOUNMPO IS #1
mvp is a joke award no one should take it seriously at this point
Oscar didn't have a 3 point line.
For sure. And also we gotta remember it was a different era. Basketball hadn’t progressed or evolved much. They were a product of their time
Giannis wins this year and next he’s greater then Duncan 🤫
Eye test on D. In the bucks match up with denver they spammed bringing Jokic into pick and rolls over and over to attack him. But the MVP, like the 6th man of the year is all about offense. To have someone who is top 3 in offensive numbers and also be in the conversation for DPOY every year makes him the most valuable basketball player, but yet hes been a distant 3rd or lower on the MVP race past few seasons
You do know that jokic beat them like shit in their first match
@@Peca-sz6yt You do know that is irrelevant to my comment. How is Jokic beating them in their first game related to my comment on his defense and the lack of importance on a players 2 way ability in these awards. Had I said Giannis deserves the award because they beat Denver head to head recently and Giannis was the best player in that match up, you'd have a point.
@@chiefnakoma bro, murray get hurt in that game in milwaukee, jokic still had 29, murray had 3 and he got injured, no one try hard from that moment. So stop your bs
@@Peca-sz6yt Clearly can't have an intelligent discussion with you. Hey, what's your favorite color?
@@chiefnakoma not black
Luka.
Your comment translates into, “wound.”
Jokic easily
Giannis is a limited basketball player. Since you base much of your case on scoring ability then Tatum has a better case. Tatum and the others are three level scorers, Giannis is useless if not in the paint. And he can't make his teammates better. There is no comparison between Giannis and Jokic on that basis alone.
most of what you said is the biggest lies I've heard LMAOOO, giannis makes his teammates DRASTICALLY better. He has the highest open find success pass rate in the NBA and still absorbs the most gravity in the NBA even more than Jokic. He also makes all of his teammates 10x better on defense due to him being the best help defender in the NBA and most versatile defender.
I don’t think Shai deserves MVP at all, hate me all you want, but I just don’t think he’s better than Luka, Giannis or Jokic
It's all about the narrative. Nothing else. Nuggets season is nowhere near "as good" as seen by most pundits but they won against the Celtics and that's all that matters in terms of narrative.
Nuggets are having a better season than the bucks. They're equal first seed in the tougher conference with many easier matchups yet to come.
Almost no chance bucks can beat nuggets in 7.
@@jasonmaguire7552 Bucks literally blew out the nuggets in 3 qtrs and the first game was like a 4 point L
Media: “oh voter fatigue is setting in so Giannis probably won’t win MVP.”
Also Media: “Jokic easily deserves his 3rd MVP in 4 years.”
It should have been 4th mvp in a row, jokic should win mvp every year to the rest of his prime years
For some reason voters fatigue doesnt affect jokic. Its a joke reallx
Voter fatigue literally cost him tbe mvp last season😭
Embiid robbed jokic last year
Giannis doesnt care for MVPs. Hes a philosopher-warrior due to his Greek-Nigerian upbringing. By his logic, to win an MVP and not win the championship means that he has something to show for himself but nothing to show for his team. And he comes from a large family where sharing was very important so selfish actions like winning an MVP without a championship are not his goals. His goal is to win a chip. Winning MVPs like Russ and Harden do with nothing to show for it at the end of the year is selfish. It means you put yourself above your team and Giannis isnt playing that game. He plays to win the last game of the year, because that's what legacies are built on.
That … That was *gay* 😬
@@GourSmith You go ahead and explain the mentality of an NBA champion then.
@@Charlie-eq3dj I’m good. That’s what the NBA champions are for. I’m not gay-so I’m not gonna type comments about mentalities of champions … Because that would be *gay*
Bro thinks he’s so tuff😂
SGA IS SO OVERRATED HOLY HELL. Jokic, Luka, and Giannis are so much better it’s insane.
I dont think he's overrated lol
sga deserves it…yes i am mainly saying this because i dont want jokic to get three
Sga deserves nothing lol, okc and shai needs to prove themselves in playoffs before sga could win mvp
@@Peca-sz6yt MVP award comes before playoffs. Jokic got MVP award before the playoffs...so I could argue that Jokic didn't deserve his MVP because he hadn't proven himself in the playoffs yet?
(AGAIN) I only said it because I'm a salty Giannis fan that doesn't want Jokic to pass Giannis in MVP awards. So if anyone besides Jokic gets it...I'll be happy. lmao
😂 jok do not have any defense 😅
No jump shot only a dunker😮Joker is the MVP!
I made a case for everyone!
Sga for mvp
Go check out my SGA vid 👀
Not even close
Overrated debate, like the US presidency, once an MVP always an MVP so winning multiples doesn't really change anything. #SPREADTHELOVE for SGA
There've been only 15 players to win 2 or more MVPs in NBA history. Pettit, Russel, Wilt, Kareem, Moses, Magic, Bird, K. Malone, Jordan, Duncan, Nash, LeBron, Curry, Giannis and Jokic. Trust me it matters. If Jokic and/or Giannis wins one more, they're entering even more exclusive company (8 guys). Handing out MVP trophies as a participation award is terrible. Giannis and Jokic are the two best players alive and in their peak/prime at 29 years old. SGA has been phenomenal this season and the fact that he's in the Top 3 of the race speaks volumes.
Bucks fans are so mad it's ridicoulus what jokic winning the ring and overtake giannis as a best player has done to them
Jokic is going to win, it’s ok because I don’t respect this award. Jokic is trash.
Jokic is nice, but giannis definitely got robbed of an mvp
Jokic is the best player in the league right now, and if he keeps it up he'll be the GOAT.
@@T1Oracle not passing bron, stop it lil bro
@@T1OracleGOAT of the NBA? He’s not even top 15
@@leoupdate8150how many rings lebron had when he was 28
Jokic is the best player in the league right now. If he wins another championship, he's in the GOAT debate.
Go watch my Jokic video!! I think you’ll enjoy it
no hes not lmfao the delusion is crazy
😐
Hakeem still better
Joker is AN AMAZING player, BUT, he still hasn't proven to be (way) better than Embit... or Shaq, Hakim, Dunkan, Robinson, Russel, Wilt, and many more. Maybe, maybe he will be (a looong stretch), but those are just the 'center' types! guards and forwards aside! He is nowhere NEAR the GOAT debate my friend.
Giannis is a garbage basketball player, hes got no bag, he commits offensive foul everytime he drives cause thats call he can do.
You are a pathetic hater...Get a life.
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Bro that’s a question for you
If you can drive and score
Why you shoot the fking ball?😅
@@yooooolai1999 exactly
If you "have no bag" and can still put up 30.8ppg on 60% fg, it just goes to show how overrated having a "bag" is.