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Aaron Plessinger talks about his two year struggle with the Factory Yamaha - Gypsy Tales
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- čas přidán 20. 05. 2021
- In recent times it has become well documented that the old Factory Yamaha program had struggled to produce a winning motorcycle. This was made even more evident in 2021 when Justin Barcia and Aaron Plessinger both left the team, and went on to have much more success. AP explains what it was like riding for a team that was able to make their bikes work.
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A.P clearly taking the time to think wisely about his answers on his team.
Taking time cause he's stoned and his stoned brain is doing everything it can to try to keep up. Sad.
@@jad2484 Think you're a bit off the mark there mate
@@jakenum30
Yeah. Way off the mark bud.
@@jad2484 Damn, you called him bud. big man
@@Anthony-zk9yi Smoke Bud?
So stoked everything for AP is clicking. He’s a cool dude that loves to just have fun.
Getting home from work, crack open a beer, browse CZcams, an damn if Gypsy tales isn't killin' it again with another great series of interviews.
This time it's AP !!!
Hard to believe there's only 56k subs
You can tell he is careful (and forthcoming) about his feedback. Have always liked this his style on/off the track. Now even more.
I'm just floored by how a manufacturer can have an awesome 250f and a stink bug 450
It is not the bike....IT IS THE TEAM AND STAFF. The staff at Factory Yamaha was more concerned with justifying their jobs and budgets than making the bikes better.
@@shooter7a so a different team and staff design the 250 from the 450?
@@stephenwilson1012 ??? Do you know much about a factory team? The stock bike is the starting point. They can do a LOT to change the bike.
STAR has run the "factory" 250 effort for years. They have been kicking ass because they know how to develop a bike. They listen to the riders, and try anything.
The 450 bike was factory Yamaha...corporate and dysfunctional....up till this year.
What changed? STAR took over as the "factory" 450 team, and the directly Yamaha team was shut down.
So how did AP, MS and DF do in 2021 SX? 5,6,7 in the points! Are any of those riders proven winners in 450s? NO. Prior to this year...none of them had EVER had a 450 SX podium (DF- rookie). Each of them had a podium this year, and they finished 5,6,7 in the points! CW, KR, ET, JB all have multiple SX wins...and unless they crashed out...no way the Yam 450 riders were going to beat them. So basically, STAR took the same bike that Factory Yam could do nothing with, and they went absolutely as well as could be expected...5,6,7 in the points. Even with the best bike available...what is the best they were going to finish? 5,6 7. They basically did as good as they could. That means the Yam 450 is a good bike.
Factory Yamaha was a corporate dysfunctional mess. Everyone was more worried about doing paperwork, justifying budgets, and jockeying for jobs than they were worried about performing.
@@shooter7a I agree its the team look at Webb Yamaha 450s tried killing his career goes to KTM which is the best 450 team and he is the man now its no secret that a team in supercross makes way bigger of an impact then people think
To be honest the 450 Yamaha has always been a bit of a 3 piece suite to ride.
Star having gone a good direction & the bike is better but it’s not great, look at how inconsistent it still is in SX. Only rider who was consistent on it was Mookie, probably because he’s a big lad & can muscle it around
Love AP's honesty.... The irony of it all is Yamaha got the best stock suspension by far.... How is it possible to take something that works great and make it worse on that high of a level?
He just didn't know how to ride. Look at him today..
@@Hugo-py2ce he’s a great consistent rider… one of my top 5. Plus he’s a taller rider and I’m 6’3 and you have some definite disadvantages being that tall as a professional rider. Sure you can manipulate the bike in the air with a lot less energy but those bikes really aren’t designed for people 6’2 and up
Because what a bike has in stock form means almost nothing at that level. These guys bikes are the furthest thing from stock. That's why a Suzuki can still win. They have changed pretty much everything you can.
This dude is so real! Got to drink a beer with him after iron man in 2018. AP for president 🤘🏼
That explains a lot. Even when you go back to the James Stewart years on the Yamaha and he just wasn't doing what everyone expected. He probably had a crappy bike
I don't understand how Doug Henry could control a brand new YZF450 four stroke in Las Vegas I think 97? I was there when the first four stroke won a supercross and Jeff Emig won the championship in Las Vegas. Doug broke both his arms outdoors on that experimental bike. Doug paved the way for 4 strokes b/c he was a boss,I miss 2 strokes. Speaking of Doug Henry the dude is a legend! He is wheel chair bound and did a back flip at Pastranas....as someone who's broken their back in 3 places, its hard not to be inspired by Doug Henry.
@@jeffro6278 It was a completely different bike before they flipped the head.
James Stewart left Yamaha coz' they were crap, he rode a Suzuki for the first year for free coz' he wasn't released from the Yamaha contract.
@@MrKdr500 Yamaha wasn’t crap it was who was running the team and their setup was all wrong. Ppl keep saying it’s cause the motor is backwards crap. Look how everyone did on the Yamaha 450 last year even Stewart 1st time on it and hadn’t ridden for over a year and he was top 5 a lot and AP was always up there challenging as well. JGR later screwed up the Suzuki with making their own suspension and James talked about that and said the bike didn’t handle his speed and why he was wiping out on that too.
I typically listen to Pulp and Don but Gypsy Tales is legit. I listened to the Ryan H., Colt N., Deegan, , and Plessinger interview during a 14-hour road trip and Gypsy’s interview style and content was awesome.
Thanks Gypsy great work bro
@Jade Feather What's a gronks
Gonna call it now...AP for the Win Red Bud🤘🤘 🇺🇸 LET'S GO!
fuck yea RED BUUUUUUUUD
@@tylerwildman243 ill b there!
AP doing such a great job of not talking shit and being the nice dude that he is.
Damn. AP getting Lit off that joint
Higher than giraffe ass 😂
@@Fire_at_Wil they need to get my mans a Weedmaps sponsor for sure
Complete respect shown to yamaha but also straight to the point. Sad when a rider wants to do great things for the team but gets stiffled by engineers..the best feeback is the rider.
After watching this interview and how AP carries himself, definitely became more of a fan.
It’s about time someone confirmed what everyone could see .
I would be pleasantly surprised to see AP make a title run outdoors this year. Mindset goes a long way, his confidence for supercross nearly won him a main in ATL.
A.P. definitely watching what he said! The hesitation before his comments definitely proves this. Cant wait to hear what he says if he ever moves from riding blue!
I remember hearing that CWebb would never be allowed to ride a stock Yami before he switched....they had no baseline to start with!
I think it was barcia that said the same thing. He finally got to ride a stock Yamaha and was amazed how good it was compared to the way they had the factory bikes set. Said he’d be better on a stock
@@roushcody not a smart way to setup your bike. It's like trying to adjust your rider to the bike and not the bike to your rider🤦
The YZ450 consistently rates top two in all the shootouts as a stock bike. Yet anybody who rides a factory bike never looks like they are enjoying themselves.
@@HamishBrown3 they do now that Star took over. 5,6,7 in the points. Do you really think DF, MS and AP were going to do any better in SX? They pretty much did as good as they could hope for.
I remember what Dean Ferris said about how bad the star Yamaha was here and how it wasn’t in the same ballpark as his Aussi YZ450F.
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I have never witnessed a racer be more cautious with his verbal delivery. Aaron held back so much information the interview became frustrating to me! Of course AP & Barcia now exactly who was responsible for the ill handling Yamaha’s. Maybe it’s time to ask Barcia to drop some bombs 💣
Goes to show how important it is to have a team behind you that can give the rider a bike he can do work on! I’d love to see AP on the most dialed equipment so we can see what he can really do!
Far out you can literally hear his brain spinning 100mph trying to answer these questions, ultimately Yamaha is still funding his current team, ask these questions again when he leaves and lands at Ktm you will get honest answers
The kid reminds of Damon Bradshaw,such a down to earth guy. The new beast from the east
AP a spitting image of Bradshaw
I’m thinking mike brown myself? :)
Remember *Chad Reed* convinced factory *Yamaha* to come back in *2016* & even his *2yrs* with his then teammate *Cooper Webb* who joined a *2yr* Yamaha* contracting *2017* did not find much success *Reed* had like *4* podiums the first year web had *1* podium in each year on *Yamaha.* Then won when he switched to *KTM*
Because the lack of success by *JGR with *Yamaha* specially with *Stewart* & then *Reed* bringing *Yamaha* factory back & not having success people thought it was the bike, but rumors have it it's personnel at factory *Yamaha*
I think I just sat through a real life moto therapy session with two therapists! 🧘♂️ Good shit you guys!
yo I've been waiting to hear from AP he's literally my favorite dude. Thank you Gypsy Tales and before that, Thank you AJ Catanzaro for bringing him on. I haven't even watched the video or any of the podcast with AP I'm just so excited that I had to immediately show love.
i really would like to see a interview with cooper webb and ask him about the team yamaha days from 17 and 18. i feel like we would get a whole lot of beans spilled since he doesn’t ride for the brand anymore.
Bro love your podcast. Most definitely doing a great job! I will say this though. Could you work on reducing the amount of times using the word "like". There is meaning to my criticism. Other then that. Awesome job man. I hope the best for you guys.
best dude in the sport
so fun fact Barcia was 5th in points in 2020 on the Yamaha with 272 point and 4th on gas gas with 289 in 2021, so really he did not kill it this year
Ktm turned out great for him season ending injury three races in I think he made a better choice 👍🏼👍🏼
If this dude switches bikes he’s going to be quite a force. He’s starting to figure the Yamaha out, but if next year’s KTM rumors are true…
And here we are with him on KTM and doing worse than when he was with Star Yamaha! 😂
Props to Star Racing for their accomplishments in '22. Previous to them taking over the program, Yamaha was where careers went to die!
This was just 2 people that are absolutely baked breathing with words inbetween😂
Why would ap risk his ride to do pot.
Guys smoke all the time, look at Ando. It's not performance enhancing and legal outside of competition. As long as they don't show up to the race baked and get tested, they're fine.
@@shire413RA he rides Yamahas not 3 foot bongs
@@yamahakid450f no bro thats not ok. Weeds cool sure, but when I think of my top heros in supercross they aren't smoking weed bro. Thats not something a top athlete should be doing. And I just don't believe he's doing it. PS I live in Massachusetts I smoke alot of weed. I'm also not a pro motocross racer appealing to young aspiring champions. I bet James Stewart wouldn't never touch that shit.
@@shire413RA riiiiight, because the most decorated Olympian of all time didn't smoke weed. lol!
The crazy thing is those factories pay a lot of money for the riders so why not do anything to keep them happy and perform better
Factories make money by selling bikes to amateurs. They aren’t worried about pros.
@@TheImtoomuch But they sell less if the pros dont gett any results.. And all this shows in tests ext..
Seems like the Yamaha 450, ruins every good rider.
Not the factories (imo). Someone simply wasn’t doing their job.
@@mguarin912 yeah I know, just seems like ktm, Kawasaki and Honda riders do well but anyone going to Yamaha on the 450 have problems. I know it’s the team but dang it’s been awhile
It’s pretty clear that “factory Yamaha” was not catering to their riders. Any of them. Ever.
This dude! I'm a fan of this dude now for sure!
If all the riders have the same complaint then it was a matter of the team wouldn’t do it! It was either an order from the top, Yamaha corporate, or some one running the team thought he knew better than the riders and ego took over!
Search "Cooper webb will never ride a stock yamaha". Its a gypsy podcast with Mike sleeter. Explains a lot.
I’d like to know now that 2 years have passed. What exactly star Yamaha changed to bring that bike from basically un-raceable, to one of the best out there.
Remember a video of barcia on the yamatank going though sand rollers in full buck mode thought right away what are they dooing it looked unrideble
I remember reading years ago. Big james said something to the effect of " when we get the bike to corner its unstable down the straights. When its stable down the straights it wont corner." With that said. I sure am curious what tomac can do with the bike.
The bike is fine with STAR developing and setting it up. Watch the heat race from SL1 Supercross where MS is on Tomac's ass. Does that look like a bike that does not work? Also, Start had 3 different riders...and they managed to get the bike to work for all 3 of them. All of them had their best seasons ever in 450SX. Of course DF is a rookie....
@@shooter7a Star is the best 450 team MS has been on. AP has been stuck on his since 250 days DF is a rookie. So no shit it was their best season on 450. Bet AP is way more consistent aboard the KTM. Sooner DF gets off it he will be a threat in the 450 class. You can point out races all day that the Yamaha excels at.. I just dont think the bike is predictable under certain circumstances while being pushed hard.
@@Mxer724 they went 5,6,7 in the points. With the best bike imaginable...what is the best you could expect them to do? 5,6,7. All the riders who finished ahead of them are proven multi race winners. The bike is fine.
@@Mxer724 I bet you feel real stupid now that Ferrandis is a 450 champion
@@theread3480 why? Because i continued to question a bike that has a history of being finicky? Yeah, im surprised how fast star turned the bike around..
When you have the best suspension money can buy, how can a factory team not get it done?
No kidding. I never really thought AP looked at home on a Yamaha but then again I’ve never seen him on any other brand..
I wonder if Outkast/Andre 3000 knows that he uses that part in the intro. 😂
I think that if it's under a certain "time stamp" no royalties get paid out? I could be wrong but I think I read that somewhere.
You can tell Aaron is trying really hard to be nice about his displeasure with the factory team
Why didn't he just try Villopotos zps shock? I swear that's what Deegan is running. Either way Deegans bike looks good, need to get that headshake fixed now.
Wow he’s being so careful
I used to ride with his dad when I was 16.
The fact that Yamaha’s best 450 result in 2017 was a 2nd place from some Australian guy that flew over to the USA with his engine and suspension in a suit case just sums up how bad things really were for that factory Yamaha team 😂
Is there any way to watch the full podcast? I feel like CZcams full length watch time could be lucrative
Do it for dale!!
Dean Ferris also touched on how Yamaha didn’t want his feedback on the suspension
AP is baked out of his mind
Bet on number 7 baby!!
I I I don’t wanna say anything wrong come on AP roll it bro
strange how different Eli Tomac's experience with star racing Yamaha has been.Different strokes for different folks.Good luck this yr AP in the 2022 outdoor nationals.
He did bad on Factory Yamaha, not Star Yamaha. Two completely different teams my guy.
@@VacidGaming very true but he coulda had a spot on star if he stuck it out. So he went to a team that was the "best" to find out they built the a bike just as bad or worse than the factory yamaha team did. Sucks for coop. He said at the beginning of the 23 season he literally changed everything on the bike. One thing ktm did better when it all went to shit was listen instead of trying to fix it themselves and making matters worse
Damn this interview is terrible for American Yamaha. The truth hurts, and I respect AP for laying it on the line! AP isn’t the first Yamaha factory rider to say these things
@Duke Bonde No, his competition has.
The best thing Factory Yamaha ever did was to give their 450 efforts to Star Racing. Great bikes, great suspension, but the factory efforts of Team Yamaha were just not getting the job done for a long time. NOW, just take a look at Tomac!
None better than AP .. 👍😁
AP looks like a modern day Doc Holliday
Web looked miserable on the Yamaha...left and immediately won a title!
Yep...what a transformation...Stewy and Reed to suzuki was big difference....
Think Aaron is going to KTM tho....
Boy makes you wonder if regrets not sticking it out with the blu cru
Well when tomac is flying around the track I’m sure we will be able to see what the problem was
Broc Glover won a SX on a YZ 250 that Pro Circuit built for him and by the time he got back to the pits the whole team was gone. It seems to me that they never wanted to pay the bonuses for wins and championships.
This has been a problem at 450 Yamaha for some time it seems. They had Web, and couldn’t make it work.
This was a good one fo sho!
This podcast was outstandable!! Haha im a big fan of AP but man is it hard to listen to him try to talk. I think he's high most of the time.
Put ya money on the number 7 baby ✊ I'd love to see it! Where he belongs!
Star Yamaha seems to have a great 250, but they need to do something for the 450 if they want a chance at the 450 title, but they may have a shot with Tomac, but who knows
can’t wait to see him on that Redbull KTM!!! (assuming the rumors are true)
Yahama is great the Japanese Manufacturer that still comtinues to produce two strokes and taking both 250 championships this year and years prior. The 450 side of it, just does not seem good at all great riders but the machine is compromised. Hope they get the 450 figured out miss seeing a blue bike in the upfront like how stewart did.
You two got so ripped before this shit. 😂
What's with the delay? Are they in the same room or is this over zoom?
It’s that good kush 😂
He’s high as fuck
Put ya money on the #7 baby
What happened to AP on the big bikes is pretty general for rookies. They show brilliance then fall down on the chain. Barcia will end up as a short or so on. Podium here or there but never title in the 450s.
Seems crazy in a factory team that shit happens
Ap gets it 👌
What team is he talking about?
Is the entire video podcast somewhere or just the clips??
Full podcast is on Spotify and iTunes. It should also be on our full show CZcams channel. Search Gypsy Tales Podcast.
Reed was very vocal about his struggles dealing with factory Yamaha. Before Star took over they just wouldn't listen. They did this shit back when Reed and GL rode in 2000s.
Yamaha just didn't like to listen. Reed said basically the well is poisoned with how they think and work, and it bugs him still cuz he loves Yamaha. You would think they would listen cause all their 450 riders ever said basically the same thing, but they didn't give a damn and kept doing the same thing. Idiots
Im from the old pre air fork era an im have a neutral eehhh position about air fork...i know how good my bikes forks were dialed works plushness an air forks ahh ok...sounds cheap is my feelings...
Coming here 2 weeks before the 23 SX season starting and this has not aged well
If Cooper was a nice guy like Aaron he'd pass out Jolly Ranchers at the gate. He knows his dust doesn't taste good...
Star racing will be Yamaha’s saviour. The guys that ran the factory Yamaha teams were shooting them selves in the foot
Yo gypsy, are you doing these interviews in studio??
It looks like it. But I gotta assume AP would be in the USA prepping for outdoors right?
Did the Deegans fly over?
It's done via Skype or a similar app.
@@Peanutdenver thx.
It’s kinda rough that Yamaha was like “oh shit we can make a championship winning bike lol” one year later
Maybe toMac is going to Yamaha to sort the company out?
Everybody got lapped in Utah lol 😂 #TinyTracks
The Japanese manufacturers need to drop the aluminum frames, go back to steel frames;
Take the benefits of the weight savings and build bikes that can compete in feel and handling.
Or just copy the 07 cr250 frame. Best handling bike ever built steel or aluminium
It is pretty obvious to everyone that the last almost 10 years of Yamaha's 450 program was absolute shit!! They threw away all their great talent because they couldn't set up a bike. I was sooo stoked when STAR got the call to manage the 450 program and you can see a complete 180.
You know there was a suit somewhere in that old chain getting a kickback for using certain parts as 'Works' and not letting the mechanics use anything else even though they were losing.
Kind of crazy Yamaha didn't give their riders the best tools for the riders to get the best results
Mad how the 250 is so awesome and the 450 is so hard to ride. Look how Cooper went from hero to zero.
Different team till this year... The team is just as important as the starting stock bike.
I think its mainly the 250 motor that's just better than the competition !
Motor is not as important in SX. Handling and balance is critical. Outdoors...you are right...HP in 250s is critical. But in SX HP alone will not win races. But the STAR 250s are good in SX. They know how to Engineer/Develop/Tune a bike.
Sorry but it is so freakin funny to see how AP really struggles to find the right words to paraphrase what he really thinks into some language that fits this oversensitive pc world xD I really cant wait until Jett Lawrence really blows up and Deegan debuts in 250 pros. These guys are gonna shift the power in the sport back to the riders.
That dbk shirt!!
Dude,I mean , finish a sentence. Hahaha
There is someone on that Yamaha team, who has a bit of influence and has his idea of bike set and his word is it final, and its the best set up for the Yamaha and the last time he ever raced was in the 80s, a club series on a beat-up cr80 lol, its always politics in a toxic team environment and very detrimental to success and kills the soul of people that work there.
Are you guys in the same room?
Yeah they are
Oh nice, I thought Jase was in Australia though
@@andrewr3709 Nah I’m pretty sure Jase is in the states
They are not, the Gypsies must have a recording room in cali...
A while back I believe he said he was setting up a studio in cali, I'm sure that's where Aaron is. That's also why there is the weird delay sometimes when one person stops talking and the other starts or when they accidentally talk over each other, it's because of the delay.
Bizzare that Yamaha doesn’t cater to each riders needs for the bike. AP likes stiff forks, Barcia like soft front medium in rear with this tire on front.. AP wants this rear break brake setup... etc etc etc. Knowing professional cycling, the pros are catered too: so and so like bars this way , with minimal break feel.. seat height and aft exactly here with these pedals... this guy like double bar tape with this tire pressure... insane Yamaha didn’t have each bike set up to each riders wants.
Are you in Cali?!
I was really surprised to hear remarks like this from factory guys road racers in the 70s yamaha program an a suzuki rider having a stalled improvement on upgrades no factory response either....ni response....just silent reply an i found that shocking because i know honda program they throw all in an the kitchen sink to get their riders bikes set right
Throw my money down on #7 !!
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