Well that explains my posts on your previous vid. I swapped out singularity as even the better unique maps had tanked so it wasn't worth ti for them. The fact that they can convert is crazy. Nice find.
@@BahamGG what you think about blocking some of the maps with shadow shaping keystone to block drop of cheap t17 because according to poe wiki every t17 map have their own "pool" of maps from which it can be turned from?
@@-deff2194 I think it's a great idea. I know t17 have their pool, just like doing the 3:1 recipe for maps t1-15. But I didn't look more than that into it. Great addition!
Hello! Initially, I wanted to use your build as a starter, but I really liked it and now I'm playing on it. Could you look at my current setup and tell me what can be improved? Where can I contact you? P.S. I'm waiting for your new build :)
@@BahamGG ok atm im trying running without the shrines and using 2 more map scrabs withe the +1tier and the unique one seems decent till now and is way cheaper but i dont know if the +1 level for maps is worth it i mean it feels like every maps t16 now that drops so far 3 maps 2 t17 but need to run more to see if its good i run on shaper maps a bit rippy because shaper bosses got some big dmg but lets see
Thanks for the info. Have you considered trying to add possessed rogue exiles into your map? These have very high rarity and tend to drop a lot of unique maps. I was running tormented rogue meticulous appraisal in SSF and was surprised to find that I got 1 t17 map every 2 maps, even without having much map quant (just whatever I got from altars).
i am geting a good amount of shaper maps and elder maps, but very few guardians maps, i cannot self sustain them. What might i be doing wrong? i am having to buy every guardian map edit: coming back to say ive gotten 6 t17s from around 8 maps, but only a single guardian map, the rest have been elder maps or shaper maps. and i suppose to be running the guardians i have, then running shaper and swapping back?
Well I can say now this has been nerfed a lot. I was doing the strat for the last week, and till yesterday it was fine, but today it's not even close to what was it previously. I think they nerfed the t17 drops from unique bosses. They still drop maps but mainly low uniques. This league is super wierd, as all good starts are getting nerfed very fast. Good luck exiles.
Hey Baham, people in the MF Acadamy discord tried their own version of the strat. They didn't use maven but instead eater for map duplication/map quant (also more quant frol 8 mod maps) and also convenience of always running a single map, which allows to target farm specific T17 (Sanctuary in Cemetery for example). What do you think about it ?
26 T17 in 20 maps. I got 21 in 20 maps with baham's version (in std, so tree little different without the league mechanic)@@lox920 But it could just be RNG ; also with baham's version you have conqueror fragments and maven fragments so I'd say it's personnal preference
@@skylar4300 Thanks for the info. Another question as well, is it still worth using pandemonium and terror together? do you still make more profit than just giving up pandemonium for two additional shrine scarab?
@@user-hl6fq7ww3x The scarab the strategy revolves around is Cartography of Singularity. This scarab is what makes every single (final) boss in your map drop an additional map. Terrors is great because it adds 5 bosses (and therefore maps) by itself. Using one cartography of duplication is 30% more maps. Regular domination scarab adds two maps when used in conjunction with terrors. Pandemonium converts 15% of packs to final bosses so it adds ( packs in map * 0.15 ). That means that if you have more than 13 packs in your map it adds more than regular domination. You can run this strategy with any combination of the above but you must use Singularity to enable the strat. Otherwise I would recommend using a strongbox atlas instead of destructive play. As for myself I run 1 Singularity, 1 Terrors, 1 Domination, 1 Duplication. If you wanted to just do shrines you could do 1 Singularity, 1 Terrors, and 2 Domination.
just a tad lower on average, but it's cheaper. I made this because I suggested swapping out cartography of singularity. You should never remove it, as it is the main source of t17
That's what I thought too! Unique maps that are t16 can also be converted. Test it out, sometimes a boss that gives you a t17 will not drop a unique map. The reason is because it got turned into a t17 🤑
Well that explains my posts on your previous vid. I swapped out singularity as even the better unique maps had tanked so it wasn't worth ti for them. The fact that they can convert is crazy. Nice find.
Have fun!
Carto Scarab of Singularity, Domination Scarab of Terrors, Carto Scarab of Duplication, Domination Scarab
Perfect
Bro I love you so much and I wish you all the best in your CZcams journey.
Thank you for the kind words. Have fun!
Your channel is a hidden gold man
Awww, thank you so much! I'm just trying to help people and share my passion for the game.
@@BahamGG what you think about blocking some of the maps with shadow shaping keystone to block drop of cheap t17 because according to poe wiki every t17 map have their own "pool" of maps from which it can be turned from?
@@-deff2194 I think it's a great idea. I know t17 have their pool, just like doing the 3:1 recipe for maps t1-15. But I didn't look more than that into it. Great addition!
Love the videos, best map for now: 3 t17 - 2 conqueror and 4 elder maps
Cool! happy to hear that. Have fun.
Love the videos man thank you for the content
Thank you for watching.
Hello!
Initially, I wanted to use your build as a starter, but I really liked it and now I'm playing on it. Could you look at my current setup and tell me what can be improved? Where can I contact you?
P.S. I'm waiting for your new build :)
Happy to hear you are having fun. I'm currently building a discord, trying to get it up asap.
what do you think about using one more of the 2 shrine ones over the duplicatiuon ones since they go up in price atm
Good idea.
@@BahamGG ok atm im trying running without the shrines and using 2 more map scrabs withe the +1tier and the unique one seems decent till now and is way cheaper but i dont know if the +1 level for maps is worth it i mean it feels like every maps t16 now that drops so far 3 maps 2 t17 but need to run more to see if its good i run on shaper maps a bit rippy because shaper bosses got some big dmg but lets see
Thanks for the info. Have you considered trying to add possessed rogue exiles into your map? These have very high rarity and tend to drop a lot of unique maps. I was running tormented rogue meticulous appraisal in SSF and was surprised to find that I got 1 t17 map every 2 maps, even without having much map quant (just whatever I got from altars).
I was using them with the very first iteration, probably a good idea to revisit it!
fyi.. its 100% chance for additional shrine, so shrines would be 2 not 1.8 from atlas!
Oh yeah, you are right! I missed 1 point, thank you for pointing it out
Which maps are we running? Conqueror-influenced maps?
Yes, t16 conqueror. You can also run elder or shaper maps.
i am geting a good amount of shaper maps and elder maps, but very few guardians maps, i cannot self sustain them. What might i be doing wrong? i am having to buy every guardian map
edit: coming back to say ive gotten 6 t17s from around 8 maps, but only a single guardian map, the rest have been elder maps or shaper maps. and i suppose to be running the guardians i have, then running shaper and swapping back?
It's Rng to be honest. You can still run elder shaper maps too.
@@BahamGG think this strat is still profitable? the terror scarab is going up to around 40c even more in bulk.
Why are you taking shaping the mountain / sky? those don't apply to T16 maps. Is there some other weird interaction with that?
It gives t14-15 chance to b3 upgraded to t16, which can then be turned into t17.
With the Domination Scarab of Terrors doulbing in price do you think this is still decent profit overall?
It is still overall positive currency. I'm working on a new strategy right now.
@@BahamGG When's the new video?)
@@andriikovalenko7432 It was under 10divs an hour so I scrapped it. New video for lazy exiles coming soon!
Any downside to running the guardian/elder maps as well? or is conq just that better. thx @bahamGG
No, they are also good. I just more t17 from conqueror maps. But it may just be luck
Tip: You can use Harbinger Orb to upgrade Map Tier.
Dude I completely forgot about Harb orbs, I was selling my influenced maps! Damn thank you so much
Yup! nice tip
So what does this mean for us?
@@user-hl6fq7ww3x Usually the dropped conqueror maps and all are not all T16s so we can use it
You're an actual genius!
Dang so there was someone who knew how to farm t17s too all the streamers I’ve seen farming them were clueless lmao
A lot of people are farming to get t17, but don't worry, there are even more people running t17, so the demand is still high.
Well I can say now this has been nerfed a lot. I was doing the strat for the last week, and till yesterday it was fine, but today it's not even close to what was it previously. I think they nerfed the t17 drops from unique bosses. They still drop maps but mainly low uniques. This league is super wierd, as all good starts are getting nerfed very fast. Good luck exiles.
Make sure you use the right scarabs, it is sill working fine.
Thank you, have fun
What is the name of the trading software that shows the chaos orbs at the bottom?
PoE Lurker, Super useful if you trade a lot
Hey Baham, people in the MF Acadamy discord tried their own version of the strat. They didn't use maven but instead eater for map duplication/map quant (also more quant frol 8 mod maps) and also convenience of always running a single map, which allows to target farm specific T17 (Sanctuary in Cemetery for example). What do you think about it ?
Sounds good, didn't try it out.
What was their result? :D
26 T17 in 20 maps. I got 21 in 20 maps with baham's version (in std, so tree little different without the league mechanic)@@lox920
But it could just be RNG ; also with baham's version you have conqueror fragments and maven fragments so I'd say it's personnal preference
@@noefrey4194 Where is the link to this strat? I went to the discord and couldn't find anything when I was searching.
Is this strat still profit when the price of domination scarab of terror went to 35c each now?
Yes! And we cut 1 of the 2 scarabs that was at high price.
Do you think that if you use this method on 8-mod maps or T17, will it increase profits?
Hmm, doubtful. I didn't try it, but the t17 are for deeper mechanics than this. T17 doesn't bring anything additional to this strategy.
Cant drop t17 in t17 maps
Thanks for the video! Do you know if player quant increases T17 map drops?
It does, but as a general sense. It will only affect natural drops, and not the unique maps converting to t17
@@BahamGG Player IIQ actually does not increase drop rate of map drops. So it won't affect the natural drops either.
@@Sidnv You are right
How does this strat change if im running guardian maps ? any changes to atlas etc..
No changes.
GJ man
Thank you, hope it can help people. Have fun
that why i have only 3 t17 map on 20 map grinding xD
Hope you get a ton now :D
@@BahamGG better now xD
Even 30 ch per pandemonium it is hudge profit... What is the point. Map takes 4 minutes, on some you will drop no t17. On the others you get 4...
Just made a cheaper version for people who were gate-kept.
Thoughts on dropping dupe for 2 shrine scarabs? wonder what the math is for that
9.8 bosses goes to 11.8 bosses which means the scarab is giving you 20% more maps. as opposed to the dupe giving you 30% more
@@skylar4300 Thanks for the info. Another question as well, is it still worth using pandemonium and terror together? do you still make more profit than just giving up pandemonium for two additional shrine scarab?
@@user-hl6fq7ww3x The scarab the strategy revolves around is Cartography of Singularity. This scarab is what makes every single (final) boss in your map drop an additional map.
Terrors is great because it adds 5 bosses (and therefore maps) by itself.
Using one cartography of duplication is 30% more maps.
Regular domination scarab adds two maps when used in conjunction with terrors.
Pandemonium converts 15% of packs to final bosses so it adds ( packs in map * 0.15 ). That means that if you have more than 13 packs in your map it adds more than regular domination.
You can run this strategy with any combination of the above but you must use Singularity to enable the strat. Otherwise I would recommend using a strongbox atlas instead of destructive play.
As for myself I run 1 Singularity, 1 Terrors, 1 Domination, 1 Duplication.
If you wanted to just do shrines you could do 1 Singularity, 1 Terrors, and 2 Domination.
@@skylar4300 appreciate the help. Gonna keep going with pandemonium instead of shrine scarab to see how it plays out. May be better in the long run.
Late response, but yeah duping is more worth. Having the option to move them around if prices go crazy is cool though
Is there big difference in t17 drops between this and the previous version of the strat ?
just a tad lower on average, but it's cheaper. I made this because I suggested swapping out cartography of singularity. You should never remove it, as it is the main source of t17
How are unique maps heing converted to t17? I thought only tier 16 maps get converted
That's what I thought too! Unique maps that are t16 can also be converted. Test it out, sometimes a boss that gives you a t17 will not drop a unique map. The reason is because it got turned into a t17 🤑
@@BahamGG In that specific clip, at 4:20 minute where the double Fortress dropped, you can still see the boss dropping a unique map though.
@@koonpengooi1395 In the clip it wasn't a swap from a unique, you can see it dropped before from a random t16 map convert
I see, how is the random t16 convert to t17 affected by cartography scarab of singularity though? If not why not use 2 domination scarabs?
@@koonpengooi1395 I did test it with 2 domination scarabs and I just had way fewer t17. Let me know if you have success with 2 of those.
If im correct now you need to clear t17 for fifth slot in map device?
Yes, you can always but that service from someone else if you cant get t17 done yourself
You sure this is not shadow nerfed ? Played 6 maps, no unique map dropped and no t17. Also terror scarabs are 30c now 😢
You must be doing something wrong, unique map is 100% guaranteed. Are you using singular focus or Unwavering vision?
@@BahamGGoh crap was using singular focus 😂
@@vincegaming2434 we found we problem😅, have fun
atlas is same scarab also and for few runs 0 t17 what is wrong with me :X
you probably have singular focus on
@@BahamGG no maybe bad luck now drop sometimes 4+ for single map
@@StyleOFBeyond yeah its not guaranteed, rngesus
@@BahamGG sry if u answer this Covetous Shrine is good to take if my char is strong?
@@StyleOFBeyond You can add it up. Doesn't affect t17 drops though.
Do you have a discord?
I'm a Boomer, still trying to figure it out
Can you share atlas tree ?
Check out the first video: czcams.com/video/LJxq-VbXamE/video.html
Why no singular focus?
It breaks the strategy